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Anonymous No.28545129 >>28545731 >>28545739 >>28545776 >>28546190 >>28546219 >>28546614 >>28547833
>goes from making some of the best cars in the world to cheap plastic touchshit in a single generation
Name a bigger fall off than this.
Anonymous No.28545132
Their best sellers are made of 60% Nissan parts.
Anonymous No.28545134
europeans had to put a fucking tractor engine in a car to make something reliable and they act like its the hail mary of automobile engineering.
Anonymous No.28545146 >>28545306 >>28545326 >>28545760
Everything started rocketing downhill towards leasebait jigaboo appeasement the moment the W212 got ambient lighting. Ambient lighting and its consequences have been a disaster for German auto interior design.
Anonymous No.28545306
>>28545146
Ambient lighting is fine as long as it's done tastefully like with older Lincolns and Cadillacs. This rainbow rave shit that Mercedes and even Lexus does now is gay.
Anonymous No.28545326
>>28545146
The W211 E-Class already had the option of ambient lighting, with configurable brightness settings in the cluster even - it was just mostly to control a subtle, ambient amber glow that you would get from the overhead consoles and in the front and rear footwells, not the $5.99 120" multicolor RGB LED strip laid across all the panels like it is now.
Most older BMW models ('90s-'00s at least) also had "ambient lighting" as well, with the ambient lighting consisting of a couple well-placed amber LEDs casting some subtle light on the interior surfaces. Even '00s Porsche Cayennes had an option for ambient lighting that "tucks" into the door panels similar to the W212s, it's just that like the other examples this one was subtle, and amber only.
Ambient lighting isn't the sole problem, the Germans obviously realized the benefits of having subtle amber/green lighting that doesn't negatively affect your eyesight and with the benefit of being able to see switchgear just a bit more clearly. The RGB purple glow wrapped around everything that you see now that looks like a gay disco is just retarded, on the other hand.
But it's what the buyers want, just like the touchscreens that Germans used to refuse to put in their cars in the '00s since they knew tactile feedback was better.
Anonymous No.28545729
merc interiors have been cheap shit since like 1999 lol, cool engines tho
Anonymous No.28545731
>>28545129 (OP)
Mercedes got ruined by vain Instagram whores and Balkan drug dealers. I would never drive a Mercedes today, knowing the type of scum I'd be associated with.
Anonymous No.28545738 >>28545779
Talk me out of buying a w116 before I do something stupid
Anonymous No.28545739 >>28545754 >>28545892
>>28545129 (OP)
Chinese lancer fwd without turbo
Anonymous No.28545754 >>28546947
>>28545739
mitsubishi fell pretty hard. lancia too. although they also did it to themselves by regulating the shit out of rallying
Anonymous No.28545760 >>28545794 >>28545956
>>28545146
you know you can turn it off you fucking autist
Anonymous No.28545775 >>28545793
what do you mean people don't want to buy 50 flavors of fwd cuckover coffee grinder that lights up like a gaming rig?
Anonymous No.28545776
>>28545129 (OP)
>Name a bigger fall off than this.
Jaguar
Anonymous No.28545779 >>28545788
>>28545738
only viable in terms of speed if you get the OM617 with turbo and then juice it up, which requires a fair bit of work because the factory engine didn't like the turbo very well.
Anonymous No.28545788
>>28545779
The pistons on the NA diesels overheat with boost and explode. The factory turbos had a different block with oil sprayers and different pistons with oil channels and shit. Pretty sure we only got the turbo diesel 5 cylinder on the w123 300TD wagon, which is pretty rare and kind of expensive now. Seems like the US got the same engine as an option in the sedan and coupe, not sure about yurop.
I know that buying a 450SEL with the 6.9 (nice) is a bad idea, but what if I did it anyway
Anonymous No.28545793
>>28545775
>50 flavors of fwd cuckover coffee grinder that lights up like a gaming rig
that's exactly what chinoids want though. maybe now that they're blocking their market with domestic cars we can get cars made for white people again.
Anonymous No.28545794 >>28545956
>>28545760
they know but they still cope
Anonymous No.28545796 >>28545803 >>28546038 >>28547364
>the last Mercs with decent engines rust like shit
>the oldest Mercs with decent rust protection have bicycle chains for timing chains
tiresome
Anonymous No.28545803 >>28545986
>>28545796
Just say you dont want to pay for maintenance.
Anonymous No.28545853
my 560SEL is great and rides better than most modern β€œluxury” cars including MBenz, I have no idea how anyone accepted the shift to what they are now other than maybe replacing their entire buying demographic with negroes and clout chasers
Anonymous No.28545855
just get an e-class or s-class

90% of the undesirables are in CLAs/GLBs and max out at a c-class
Anonymous No.28545892
>>28545739
>lancer fwd without turbo
so a normal lancer?
Anonymous No.28545956 >>28545972
>>28545760
>>28545794
Hello my brown friends, have you driven nearly every Mercedes made from the late 90s to 2018 including an SLS and several Maybachs like I have to also inform your opinion, or are you just mad I don’t like the brand that your favorite coon tune artist talks about?
Anonymous No.28545972
>>28545956
proof or gtfo
Anonymous No.28545986 >>28547364
>>28545803
of course I don't, I'm not mentally retarded.
Anonymous No.28546038 >>28547364 >>28547821
>>28545796
>the last Mercs with decent engines rust like shit
The W210 E-Class is not the last "decently reliable" Mercedes. You can get the indestructible M112 V6, M113K V8 and their AMG variants in many cars up until around the late 2000s (you don't want the ones after those).
>the oldest Mercs with decent rust protection have bicycle chains for timing chains
Which ones, the OM616 and OM617 diesels that will literally run for a million miles on the original chain? Or are you talking about the ugly duckling "380" V8 that had the single/double row timing chain issue?
Anonymous No.28546190
>>28545129 (OP)
Nissan
Anonymous No.28546198
pretty much every brand but toyota at this point
>volkswagen making stupid half baked EVs
>audi doesnt know how to name their fucking cars
>mazda 'trust me bro this time we will bring the dorito back and it will feature [insert current trend here]'
>ferrari finally launches their SUV and forgot how brakes works
the list goes on and on
Anonymous No.28546219
>>28545129 (OP)
Euros got BTFO by the Japanese in the 90's and tried to follow their lead, only to end up making their cars cheap shit. Basically while Japan and SK tried to germanify their cars and failed, the Germans tried to japanify themselves and failed
Anonymous No.28546614 >>28546678 >>28546764 >>28547647
>>28545129 (OP)
Lets be honest, lexus should be eating their cake in europe. They are more luxurious and reliable than the average mercedes.
i understand bmw brand but mercedes truly living off a reputation they don't deserve anymore
Anonymous No.28546625
I just wanted a 8 cyl c63 pure ice. With a good quality interior and no capactive touch bullshit. Instead i got a shitty plastic shitbox with creaking interior and a 4cyl hybrid slopshitshow
Anonymous No.28546678
>>28546614
Perception is everything when it comes to luxury cars, and Japan simply doesn't have a strong enough brand to compete.
Anonymous No.28546763 >>28546890
No it wasn't that sudden,they've been free falling since the 2000s
Anonymous No.28546764
>>28546614
>reliable
couldn't be more irrelevant for new luxury car buyers,they will not keep it for more than 5 years
Anonymous No.28546890
>>28546763
The 2000s were MB's peak, though.
Anonymous No.28546947 >>28547222
>>28545754
You can't afford those special cars anyway. Mitsubishi's new cars are still pretty old school so they are arguably even more reliable and cheaper than new Toyotas and Hondas.
Mitsubishi has accidentally became based by doing absolutely nothing the past 15 years.
Anonymous No.28547222
>>28546947
whether i can afford it or not is irrelevant. it's just sad seeing how these companies made once great cars then now they just make generic crossover or whatever #52534
Anonymous No.28547364 >>28548371
>>28545796
>>28545986
>>28546038
AHEM
Anonymous No.28547640 >>28547812 >>28547839
Bad idea to buy a used German car?
Anonymous No.28547647 >>28548153
>>28546614
Isn't owning Japanese in Europe kinda expensive?
Anonymous No.28547812
>>28547640
In most cases yes, because they require more care than nippon cars.
Anonymous No.28547815
went to shit when they started to cooperate with Renault. nobody wants a Mercedes with a Renault engine, not even in an A class.
Anonymous No.28547821 >>28548371
>>28546038
W203 and W211 had somewhat reliable engines (timing chains were already meme tier at that point) but 0 rust protection.
W204 and W212 had better rust protection (you still had the rear axles falling out of early 204's) but shit engines with oil dilution from direct injection and leaky high-pressure lines on top of meme chains.
Anonymous No.28547833 >>28548246
>>28545129 (OP)
>in a single generation
They've been going down the toilet since the 90s
Anonymous No.28547839
>>28547640
is this bait or do you unironically think this board can give you legit advice
Anonymous No.28548153
>>28547647
Only if it actually breaks down
Anonymous No.28548246 >>28548421
>>28547833
kek these are ugly as fuck
also slow and gay
Anonymous No.28548371
>>28547821
This has to be bait, right?

Post-facelift W212s with >>28547364
have been proven to be the most reliable Benzes in 20 years.
Anonymous No.28548421
>>28548246
Shit taste detected