Thread 28551490

>virtually eliminates backed-up traffic compared to the 4-way
>sharts hate them because they're communist or something
when are you going to embrace the roundabout?

>>28551490 (OP)
>sharts hate them
We have over 10000 roundabouts across the US. Some states more than others. They make absolutely no sense out west/midwest on roads where you're flying at 60+. The whole idea behind them is not only easier traffic handling but also enforcing speed limits which limits where they can realistically go. Nobody in their right mind is going to throw one of these out on high speed roads.

>>28551490 (OP)
>written test was 80% about roundabouts
>never seen one in person
strange shit bro

>>28551490 (OP)
sharts?

>>28551517
It's yet another latinx turdworlder trying to start a flame war between euros and americans

i have about 8 roundabouts within a 2 min drive from my house. the main big one is kind of shit and can get backed up but yeah they are pretty great

>>28551521
ah yes I see
seething over America has reached such a boiling point its developing its own third world dialect, very good

>>28551490 (OP)
>when are you going to embrace the roundabout?
Once everyone figures out how to properly use one. It isn’t hard.

>>28551521
>latinx turdworlder
worse. the latinx lives in america

I showed a burger woman (real) a clip of my car that developed a strange noise and she was too dumbfounded by a mini roundabout to comment on the audio, so dumbfounded she automatically descended to insults.

These can be intersting, mostly because they are on the brow of a hill so a lot of the approaches are hidden.
Try not to have them on your test route.

>>28551546
And then you woke up from your schizo dream and shitposted on /o/

Takes up too much land that could be sold to gas station or fast food owners and taxed, among other reasons.

>>28551490 (OP)
any possible efficiency gain these things offer go out the window the second pedestrians get involved

>>28551563
It's really not that infeasible.

>>28551546
are you sure you just didn't accidentally send her a pic of your centimeter peter?

>>28551555
They really need to stop building 2-lane roundabouts in the US. Its very evident nobody knows what the fuck the inside or outside lanes are even for.

>>28551611
Not really. At all.

We want to look where we want to go. Seeing where you want to go then having to look away and drive in a different direction confuses and enrages us.

>>28551709
What are you fucking talking about lmao

>>28551673
Neither do euros, but they'll cope until the sun dies

>>28551490 (OP)
Roundabouts are goated EXCEPT if the traffic flow is unbalanced at certain times of day.
I grew up in the City of roundabouts and there's some intersections where you just need traffic lights.

>>28551490 (OP)
I drive around them too fast and wear out my LH tyres faster than RH :(

>>28551915
get your tires rotated

>>28551917
that would be sensible. Instead I try to take left turns faster to compensate

>>28551490 (OP)
Boomer dad hates them because mexicans fly through them at 60 miels per hours (also europeans exist)
I like them because I hate 4 way stops even more

>>28551673
>>28551845
do your dual lane roundabouts not have arrows in each lane showing which exits you can take? in oz almost every roundabout has them and even if they don't, since all the other roundabouts have them it's basically ingrained in all but the fullest of retards that the left lane can only go left or straight, and the right lane can only go straight, right, or turn around

>>28551997
Yankees are so retarded the think only the outside lane is for exiting - they think you have to indicate and change lanes in the middle of the roundabout if you want to exit.
and they think, evidently, that the inside lane is just there for absolutely no reason at all......

>>28551800
>want to go forward
>only option is to turn right
>reeeeee
>oh it takes you back to where you want to go but in a big turn
>I HATE THIS
Many such cases

>>28551997
>do your dual lane roundabouts not have arrows in each lane showing which exits you can take?
Nope. And sometimes the outer lane goes completely around roundabout and sometimes it's just an exit lane.

>>28551498
>Nobody in their right mind is going to throw one of these out on high speed roads.
And yet there's one on the highway just outside of my town. When they first put it in it killed a couple of boomers on motorcycles. Other than that it does make merging from the connecting spur safer.

>>28551498
well the big brains put 2 on a HW thats 55 mph. great call

>>28551851
There's a road I used to use that installed a roundabout at every intersection for like five miles. It was originally a commuter artery, and now it's just a complete cluster fuck.

>>28552314
>mutts are too retarded for 80km/h roundabouts
Lmao
Just make the diameter bigger and don't be retarded

>>28551845
We know WHAT to do because we've all passed the test. Whether or not we do it is another thing.
Pic French being French.

>>28552082
>shart's corn syrup-addled brains get upset and confused at the sight of a circular road pattern
it's not even funny to make fun of them anymore, it's just getting sad

>>28551490 (OP)
Roundabouts only work when they're a single lane in a lower congestion area that can't afford traffic lights.
For those purposes, they work well.
But they simply don't work as well as Traffic lights when it comes to high volume.
Euro fags can seethe all the want.
It's true.
Irrefutable facts.

roundabouts don't actually reduce traffic. their real stated intent is to "calm traffic", when when translated out of Yiddish means " inconvenience drivers enough that they'll walk or take the bus instead". if anything, they make traffic worse.

How about instead of the roundabout, we just have less poor people on the round?

>>28553280
>But they simply don't work as well as Traffic lights when it comes to high volume.
Complete bullshit. My city implemented a 2-lane roundabout at a highway exit that used to be a staggered 4-way that was constantly clogged where even the traffic would spill into the highway. After the roundabout there's never been any traffic problems there. All the boomers afraid of novel traffic patterns in state's DoTs need to die off

>>28551517
He means claps

>>28551673
I love 2 lane roundabouts.
>enter from outer lane
>keep going straight to cross over into inner lane
>lose only a slight amount of speed going around the circle
>exit into outer lane

>>28553531
Cope harder EuroPoor
2-lane roundabouts are retarded.
Most Burgers can't use them, and lights are just faster when programmed properly

>>28553395
>who likes being able to roll through an intersection and judge for themselves when to go?
>I prefer to wait at a full stop for my goy light to go green

>>28553654
There only retarded in muttland because you retards think the only purpose of the inside lane is just going around and around in circles

>>28551997
>>28552387
>Coping this hard

>>28553654
I live in the US you dumb faggot.
>2-lane roundabouts are retarded.
Let me guess: you're an obese flyover whose license test consisted of driving straight for 1000 feet and stopping successfully at a light.
>Most Burgers can't use them
You mean most people in your decaying town of 5k that barely graduated high school can't use them. Not everyone has double digit IQs.

>>28553811
im not quite sure how enquiring about whether american roundabouts having painted arrows leading up to them or not is coping but ok

>>28551490 (OP)
What the hell are you talking about? They're all over the lower 48 US states. Even in the deep red south. Diamond interchanges are even being built.

>>28553991
>then we'll make them switch over to the other side of the road for no reason at all
Mutt moment

>>28553991
I like these, actually.

>>28551490 (OP)
Traffic signal controlled four ways with left turn lanes have significantly higher capacities than roundabout controlled four ways
The main benefit of roundabouts is reducing the number of places a collision can occur
>t. civil engineer

>>28553531
There was probably a different issue with the intersection design besides being traffic light controlled, capacity is what it is, when I was a young engineer I had to do a LOT of car counting verifying this exact thing

>>28554026
this is a statement that could only be made by someone with both zero ability to comprehend what this diagram describes and a complete obsession with the USA

>>28553991
They built one of these by me and it killed so many people in wrong way head on collisions that they closed the whole highway exit while they tore it out and went back to a normal stop light

>american racetracks look like picrel
>can't into roundabouts
huh?

>>28555218
Those are for top tier professional drivers. Most people only go straight

>>28555230
I think his point was the nascar layout is highlighted for all of them, which is just an oval, ie a roundabout
So he’s saying “you don’t like roundabouts yet your race car drivers only drive on roundabouts”

>>28555250
The drivers who go in circles are some of the smartest people here. Normal Americans can't be expected to drive in circles

>>28555283
anon, just stop. just admit your country doesn't have the intellectual capacity to understand 2 lanes going in a circle.

the rest of the world doesn't have a problem with it. that doesn't mean you're superior because of it.

>>28555166
lol mutts are to retarded for modern infrastructure

>>28555166
damn. that was a great selective breeding tool

>>28555076
Literally what is the purpose?
You save the cross turning traffic from yielding at ONE of the lights, but at the cost of making the entire straight through traffic have to yield to EACH OTHER constantly.

>>28553748
>longer average commutes

>>28551490 (OP)
>Guys we made everyone go 10 miles an hour no traffic
The third world mind. They put a roundabout on a road that once had a stoplight, and 55 going into 45. They put a roundabout, and were absolutely jerking themselves off about how great it was, but the speed limit is now 10.

It is a massive traffic jam. Slowing everyone down to a extremely low speed for a longer period of time is not resolving anything. Any alteration to the flow of traffic must be evaluated for the total time of the averaged trips through a space greater than the area being altered.

You're shitty roundabouts are literally killing people by eating away their lives spinning in your gay circles.

>>28555737
that just sounds like a problem with dropping the speed from 55/45 down to 10 rather than the roundabout

>>28555776
1. It's not possible to go through a roundabout going 55

2. They will never set the speed limit to be 55 in a space where you can't go 55

3. If they didn't put a roundabout in you could still go through at 55.

You're just seeing people moving slowly in a traffic jam, and thinking it's faster than someone stopping, then going 55.

>>28555791
depends on the kind of roundabout...if it's big enough you could still maintain some speed and not have to slow right down

>>28555799
>what if we bulldozed half the town to make a nascar track sized circle
They don't, so you're not even talking about real ones, and at that point do a interchange retard.

>>28555816
>what if we bulldozed half the town to make a nascar track sized circle
this but unironically

>>28551490 (OP)
the purpose of roundabouts is u keep moving.

>>28555791
>mutts aren't allowed 80km/h roundabouts because their landbarges can't turn and everyone would die

>>28555920
in their defense pushing a car to do something it's not really designed for/good at is some of the most fun you can have in a car

>>28551490 (OP)
Roundabouts fall apart in high traffic volume.
You end up with all entry and exit points getting equal priority, which restricts the ability to prioritize specific traffic directions.
This is all assuming you don't get entry blocked due to congestion in the circle, which inevitably happens.

>>28553003
>nooo it's actually SMART to make you travel in directions other than where you're actually intending to go because we needed to launder more money into the construction company my cousin owns

>>28556472
It is smart yes - all the traffic ends up going the same direction and you only have to look one way to see if it's safe to merge.

>>28555737
>10mph roundabouts
What kind of shithole do you live in?

>>28551997
>arrows in each lane showing which exits you can take
It's the British thing, former and current colonies included. Only good for very low traffic situations and rather small radii.
Non-Bongs treat each roundabout entrance/exit as an intersection or merge lanes (depending on the angle), and the roundabout itself as a regular road where you can change lanes or go faster than the other lane (Bongs don't allow both for obvious reasons), and to leave it you have to get to the outermost lane(s) first.

Also to enter Bong roundabout you have to wait for it to be completely absent of traffic (in other words, you have to yield to all its lanes), roundabouts in normal countries require only the outermost lane to be clear because that's the only one you are allowed to enter.

>>28556480
>just drive in circles until you can go where you need to go because we're too lazy, cheap, and stupid to set up basic traffic control systems

roundabouts good
intersections bad
simple as
any American that denies this is lying, think of red light jumpers

>>28555791
>It's not possible to go through a roundabout going 55
Skill issue

>>28556781
>govern me harder daddy I WANT you to tell me when to go and stop
pathetic

>>28556697
>and the innermost lane is for no reason at all, it's just for the people who want to go around and around in circles
This is why mutts hate roundabouts - you're too stupid to use them properly.

>>28556977
wow

>>28557035
I'm not an *merican and it seems you didn't learn how to change lanes. The rest of the world did.

>>28557648
What's the inside lane for then retard? For the people who just want to go around in circles?

>>28557661
Are you dumb? It's for people who don't need the closest exit, and you don't have to give way to the inside lane when you're entering the roundabout. Helps to keep traffic flowing.
While you bongs have to wait for all the lanes to clear to enter the roundabout, because pic related.

>>28557688
If you have to yield to the outside lane and change lanes to exit, why wouldn't you just stay in the outside lane? Why change to the inside lane at all?

>>28557701
The inside lane usually moves faster if there's traffic present, because there's nobody entering or exiting the roundabout using this lane. You are allowed to drive the entire circle in the outermost lane, it's just slower.

>>28557704
That's the most retarded shit I've ever heard, why would the outside lane be slower? Roundabouts should never be backed up on the exit unless traffic is backed up from another source.
The answer why the outside lane is slower is OBVIOUSLY because this retarded rule of changing to the outside lane the leave the roundabout is CAUSING CONGESTION on the outside lane.

It's a completely retarded system and you should feel bad for advocating for it.

>>28551498
What if you just make it really big?

>>28557718
>That's the most retarded shit I've ever heard
Try visiting other countries for a change. It'll blow your mind.
>why would the outside lane be slower?
People entering the roundabout typically do that from standstill. People exiting slow down before the exit. Want to go faster and don't bother yourself with slowfags - go to the inside, same thing you usually do on any normal road with more than one lane in your direction.
>OBVIOUSLY
Sure. This is the first time you heard about the thing and you're already an expert.
>changing to the outside lane the leave the roundabout is CAUSING CONGESTION on the outside lane.
Told you to learn to change lanes. You have to give way to people in the lane you're changing to, inside or outside, otherwise you're cutting them off and that's not allowed.
>It's a completely retarded system and you should feel bad for advocating for it.
I'm not advocating, I'm merely explaining the differences.

>>28557743
>People exiting slow down before the exit
Maybe in retardland, meanwhile in white person land people SPEED UP when they exit.

Here's why your system is retarded - during peak hour traffic, the traffic flow is usually dominated by traffic flowing from a single direction. With white-man roundabouts, side by side traffic can easily enter and exit the roundabout and continue on straight without any slowing or bottlenecks.

You retarded system has a completely pointless bottleneck in this scenario.

>>28557752
>in white person land people SPEED UP when they exit
Because they have been cucked by the 30 kph limit or so on the roundabout?
I mean without the speed limit you naturally have to slow down or at least cease accelerating, because right turn with bigger radius (the roundabout itself) becomes left with smaller radius (the exit).
>murica
Never been to it. They have vastly different types of roundabouts from what I know.
>pic
Already told you to learn how to change lanes. It's different from merging. Even Bong rules specify this difference iirc.

>>28557756
It's not a lane change retard, we have these magical white lanes which make roundabouts not retarded.

>>28557761
Don't see these magical lines in his pic.

>>28557766
>too low IQ to understand road markings
Hold shit lmao
No wonder you can't understand the correct way to use a roundabout

>>28557769
>doesn't understand there are different types of roundabouts with different rules and different markings

>>28557779
Yeah that's what I've been telling you this whole time retard - your roundabout rules are wrong.
Your answer to the problems that I point out with your roundabouts?
>but muh lane changes! Learn about lane changes!
Now I'm showing you that it doesn't have to be a lane change.

>>28557781
>Now I'm showing you that it doesn't have to be a lane change.
Yes, but there are other problems with it. See, if you're in a magenta car you either have to leave through the nearest exit or to give way to the orange car and any other car in the innermost lane (and by doing that you're slowing down the outermost lane to a complete stop). That's the consequence of being able to exit from the innermost lane.
And again, you have to wait for the entire roundabout to become clear of cars before entering it, because that's the consequence of being able to get to the innermost lane immediately while being required to yield to roundabout traffic.

Also, you're a complete moron if you think I'm advocating for one specific design as if it's the best. They all are retarded, but each in its own way. Go travel abroad, get a rental, acquire experience and you'll be able to see the bigger picture.

Yes the magenta car can only go straight and right - it's a VERY SIMPLE SYSTEM anon:
>both lanes can go straight ahead
>left lane if you want to go left
>right lane if you want to go right

Any other set of rules for roundabouts is retarded.

>>28557805
>Yes the magenta car can only go straight and right
No it can't go straight if the orange car wants to go right. Someone has to yield.
>VERY SIMPLE SYSTEM
Yeah, and it works if the traffic is low. But if there's a lot of cars from one direction, they are going to block all other directions or the next entry at the very least: no one else will be able to enter the roundabout because there are cars in it. And all these cars are going to move slowly and keep a lot of distance between them because otherwise someone exiting from the innermost lane could collide with someone else driving straight (not exiting) in the outermost.
>Any other set of rules for roundabouts is retarded.
Again I suggest trying other types before making a judgement. Because otherwise the retard here is you.

>>28557812
Holy shit you really are just too retarded to understand things with your brain
>y-y-you have to try it out!
No I don't anon because I have a brain which can picture and understand the problems with the other rule systems.

Pic related is the simple rules anon - there is NO CLASH between the inside and outside cars like you keep saying.

>>28557822
>I have a brain
Doubt that, you can't even read.
>Pic related is the simple rules anon - there is NO CLASH between the inside and outside cars like you keep saying.
Now move the blue car line to the next exit and you'll have pic. So to prevent situations like this the blue car has to wait for the complete absence of cars in both lanes of the roundabout, until then it can't enter. And if there's constant flow of cars from the bottom of the pic (the direction green car came from), the cars entering from the right will be stuck. So this type will work only in some bumfuck rural nowhere.

>>28557850
Yes the blue car has to yield to the cars to get onto the roundabout, but it saves the green car for having to yield to get off the roundabout.
Why the FUCK would you think it's better to have cars stopping and yielding ON THE ROUNDABOUT, than stopping and yielding BEFORE THEY GET ON THE ROUNDABOUT (like they already have to do for the outside lane).

>>28551498
>enforcing speed limits
Tell that to the bri'ish. I was in the UK this year coming from a different European country. We also have roundabouts and quite a few of them but they're smaller in diameter unlike the bri'ish ones. Here people actually slow down before and on the roundabout but the bongs just fly through theirs at Mach 1.

>>28557854
That's the trick with roundabouts - the faster you enter the more like you are to be able to fit into a gap.
That's the great thing about only having to look one way for traffic.

>>28557852
>it saves the green car for having to yield to get off the roundabout.
You don't have to yield to get off if you can change to the outermost lane while driving the roundabout, just saying. People who forbade that obviously had some country bogans with no rear view mirrors, no spatial awareness and no traffic in mind, and for that purpose this type works well. No wonder you don't want to hear about anything else.

Another problem with this type is you have to be as slow as any other car on the roundabout. Consider this: you're in a green car approaching the empty roundabout simultaneously with the blue car so you both can enter, but the blue car is twice as slow as you. Here's what it's going to look like if you don't want to drive as slow as them:

>>28556977
I thought Europeans were the best drivers in the world and knew how to use roundabouts. Chat is that webm AI?

>>28551490 (OP)
They can cause congestion in 1 lane, if one road is particularly busy what happens is they end up going back to back and it can be hard to get an opening

>>28557903
>you don't have to yield, just don't use the inside lane!
I'm going around in circles with a retard

>>28557920
Lane changing without yielding 101:
>1. Be faster than the guy you're next to
>2. Pass him and make a bit of space between your rear bumper and his front to not scare him
>3. Move into his lane while still driving faster than him

>>28557927
Entering a non-retarded roundabout without yielding to the inside lane 101:
>1. Be faster than the on the inside of the roundabout
>2. Pass him and make a bit of space between your rear bumper and his front to not scare him
>3. Move into his lane while still driving faster than him

>>28557932
>1. Be faster than the on the inside of the roundabout
>don't exit
>get hit by someone exiting it from the inner lane

>>28557940
>be on the inside of the roundabout
>want to go straight ahead
>someone enters onto the outside lane and blocks you

>>28557956
>and blocks you
Can't block anyone by driving faster than them

>>28557975
You are quite literally retarded >>28557903

>>28557981
Oh, I see,
>want to go straight ahead
means
>want to exit the roundabout
No wonder you can't explain things properly.
>>28557956
Be faster than them, pass them and get into the outside lane in front of them as I told you above.

>>28557989
>fast fags btfo.jpg
>"just be faster than them and get in front of them"

Genuinely 200% retarded

>>28558001
>the entire post is about how this design does not allow you to be fast
As I said, you can't fucking read.

>>28551525
I don't like em, ruins the flow of the ride tho they are much safer there's no denying that. Still I'm against using them for every single intersection like EU does.

>>28558009
>this scenario does not allow you to be fast
next minute
>the solution to this scenario is to be faster

It's the same scenario retard, please try to have a memory longer than a goldfish.

>>28558014
>roundabout with entry/exit to/from both lanes
and
>roundabout with entry/exit only to/from the outer lane
are different scenarios.

>>28558015
So how does the green car magically not get slowed down by the blue car, like you previously said, on a entry/exit only to/from the outer lane roundabout?

>>28558018
By being even faster?

>>28558022
and why can't that same practice be applied in a entry/exit to/from both lanes roundabout?

>>28558028
Because they usually have really low speed limits (remember, you said earlier people usually accelerate on exit?), and overtaking/passing on these types of multilane roundabouts is either frowned upon or outright forbidden.

How the fuck are you guys arguing about roundabouts, they're some of the simplest things in the world.

>>28558306
Not for sharts lmao

>>28558258
So if the twin exit roundabouts just had higher speed limits they'd be good?

>>28558306
Mutts and some retarded euros think it's better to have cars yielding and stopping in the middle of roundabouts, than it is to have cars yielding to the inside lane when they enter a roundabout.

>>28558818
>when they enter a roundabout.
And when they drive through it too.

>>28559378
negative