Thread 28556169

I'm thinking about buying a new car and I'm undecided between the Mazda 3 and the Honda Civic hybrid. Which would you choose?

>>28556169 (OP)
the new honda has pretty good interior

mazda doesnt have foglights

Civic is cheaper, for better or worse.

>>28556199
Not the hybrid. I'm in the same boat but the gap between the two cars is something like 4000CAD with the Civic more expensive. With a generous 2L/100KM gap in mileage and with current gas pricing I'd have to drive 160,000km before making up the difference never mind any additional cost of maintenance on a hybrid + lost opportunity cost of $4000 over several years. Mazda also has better financing rates it I wanted to avoid paying upfront.

But I can't help but want the Civic Hybrid, really enjoyed the drive. The hybrid system is neat.

>>28556169 (OP)
The Honda. Mazda is just a fwd shitbox unless you get higher trims but they are auto only. At that point might as well get some better gas mileage out of the deal.

buy the S197 with the duratec, it’ll last longer than either of these shitpiles and you won’t look like an emasculated faggot driving it

>>28556212
Isn't the Civic Hybrid basically a series hybrid with one physical overdrive gear for efficient cruising?
Might be fairly simple and durable if they didn't cheap out on some component. Or at least more simple and durable than half assed VW-style hybrids that just bolt the electric bits onto an existing turbo engine + dual-clutch gearbox powertrain.

>>28556222
Is the civic not also just a fwd shitbox?

>>28556169 (OP)
Mazda. I love Mazda. Go drive both.

>>28556212
>But I can't help but want the Civic Hybrid, really enjoyed the drive. The hybrid system is neat.
This. I drove one yesterday. It doesn't feel like a noisy hybrid. It accelerates almost like an electric car and has the range of a combustion engine. The best of both worlds. I was surprised. I wanted to hate the CVT, but it's actually really good. The steering is precise and the suspension is comfortable.

>>28556240
no its semi premium now, honda has been moving upmarket

>>28556273
mazda has done the same, both are still just slightly nicer fwd shitboxes.

Mazda 3 is painfully to drive.
No sound deadening and the glass is so thin that the smallest rain drops sound like gravel bouncing off.
Driving at 35mph has more road noise than a camry or accord doing 120.
More road noise than a 60's big block F100.
More road noise than a GMT400.
Theyre extremely cheap vehicles

Could not imagine driving either of these soulless piles of junk
Theyre such fuckin poverty boxes
Buy a used luxury car instead

>>28556169 (OP)
>New
Get a used Mazda 3 as they crash in price used. Honda has the shitty 1.5 turbo.

>>28556436
The Honda has a 2.0L naturally aspirated engine with a hybrid motor.

>>28556192
Fogs have been obsolete since LED became commonplace.

These are both decent picks. Have you considered the new Accord, OP?
>>28556383
Not all cars have to be 4,000-lb+, $50k+ and full of NVH padding to distract you from the fact that you're operating a machine. There are endless other cars that do that.
These are cheap vehicles, what do you expect? Are you so bothered by a little wind and tire noise that you're willing to pay double? I doubt it's nearly as bad as you're saying.

>>28556169 (OP)
I was deciding between these two last month and went with the Mazda because the design is much nicer and I have a strong preference for the dial over a touch screen. I test drove both and thought they were both solid, so my decision was mostly based on superficial preferences and the fact that the Mazda is significantly cheaper up front (despite having worse gas mileage).

>>28556169 (OP)
I bought a CX30 Turbo (same everything as the 3, just different body that is smaller and taller), it is the oldest new car you can buy

the good:
>oldschool fluid auto
>no auto start stop
>nannies can be disabled
>you can also just yank the iactivsense fuse which wont limp mode the car or anything
>have rocketed into a snowbank twice without breaking anything because they bothered reinforcing the front splitter
>i have the GT turbo so it is comfortable and faster than most things
>goes through 2ft of snow without complaining
>competent offroad
>handles well***
>NO BULLSHIT TOUCHSCREEN - SCREEN IS NICE IPS PANEL THAT IS SMALL, MATTE, AND CONTROLLED WITH BUTTONS

the bad
>the differential blew up because I accelerate hard often and may or may not do snow donuts all the time
>the mirrors are uncoated aluminium and leave streaks down the doors
>a set of spark plugs are $200
>***handles well because it's capable, it feels boring and you have to be on the verge of killing yourself to have fun driving it
>not much space inside
>soul red is impossible to paint match even with a scheme
>some replacement parts are hard to get

between the two get the mazda because new Hondas are shitboxes and everyone I know with one have had a million electrical gremlins that cost a gazillion dollars to fix
oh, also
>the mazda warranty lasts for a very long time and is basically no questions asked

>>28556383
>buys the GS trim and complains about NVH
lmao

>>28556169 (OP)
I just bought a new Mazda 3 because it was one of the few cars that had AWD and a normal Automatic transmission. Its been a lot of fun to drive, and I like it very much. It really depends on your priorities, like if you value gas milage, price point ect.

My wife has a Mazda and it's been amazing, no problems whatsoever with just basic maintenance. But it's a J-vin, not sure about their burgerslop. But out of the two you're looking at, the Honda is more compelling because of the MPGs. If you buy new, get the Civic. If you buy used, get the Mazda.

OP here, I tested the Mazda 3 Skyactive G 140 today. It's very smooth, like the Honda, with precise steering and comfortable suspension. It doesn't accelerate as quickly as the Honda, but it's a car with a naturally aspirated four-cylinder engine and a true automatic transmission. I was almost inclined to go for the Honda, but this test made me appreciate Mazda's mechanical proposition, which is much more classic. The engine surprised me; it's smooth and very comfortable. Fuel consumption is higher than the Honda's.
Since the Mazda is a mechanically simpler car, is it possible it will be much more reliable than the Honda in the long run?

>>28556928
>it is the oldest new car you can buy
I like this, when I tested the Mazda 3 I had that same feeling.

>>28556921
>Have you considered the new Accord, OP?
I like it, but it's too big for me.

>>28556924
>last month and went with the Mazda because the design is much nicer
I like the way it looks on the outside, but I love the interior of the Mazda 3.

By the way, the Head up Display is great.

>>28556169 (OP)
Honda all day every day. As a daily driver you just can't beat how comfortable the ride is. Fuel economy is good, and even though it isn't a luxury vehicle by any means it does a good job of "feeling" luxury. Or just comfy.

>>28557841
>mechanically simpler
I'm not so sure, I remember reading that it does cylinder deactivation at highway speeds, and the auto has some kind of multiple lockup clutch scheme to make it accelerate tighter than a slushbox.

>>28556222
The Honda is CVT

>>28556169 (OP)
why not get a slightly used es300h or is300? they're pretty comfy and reliable

>>28556169 (OP)
Both of those cars offer terrible amount of indoor space for their size. Why don't they make a wagon version like Toyota?

>>28557877
Many modern torque converter transmissions use an additional clutch for lockup, Mazda was just early to develop it for their models. It's been around since 2011 so it's not exactly new technology

Buy a gently used giulia instead, 30k miles should get you into a clean history model for the same price

>>28557882
I actually like CVTs for daily driver economy cars. I find the linear acceleration without any gear changing pleasant for the purpose of just A to B driving. The Honda uses an E-CVT which is the good kind.

>>28556192
Neither does the Civic since the 2024 refresh.

>>28556177
The interior is a massive upgrade from the 10th gen. It feels roomy and looks great. The radio sticking above the dash is my only gripe, but it's far from the worst and is a reasonable size instead of being as large as possible like many modern cars.
>>28557944
Honda has simulated gear changes in sport mode. I scoffed at it, but it really does work and actually feels like the car's shifting gears like an automatic.
The fake engine noise was a little cringy, but I disconnected it because the ANC ringing was making my ears hurt.

>>28557970
>simulated gear changes

>>28558047
Kek, this.
>>28556169 (OP)
Get the Mazda. It has a real transmission. All the MPG in the world isn't worth losing that.

>>28556169 (OP)
Civic is CVT garbage. If you're really partial to the Civic's looks, get an Integra for a few grand more to get a real automatic or manual trans.

>>28556928
>have rocketed into a snowbank twice without breaking anything because they bothered reinforcing the front splitter
come to think of it, i've done this at least 50 times on the way back from work pulling into my driveway and my front splitter doesnt have any damage

>>28558182
Civic hybrid has 49 MPG, the integra has 33 MPG.

Mazda 3 hasn't been updated meaningfully in US since 2019. I'd go with an used Mazda 3 if you settle on it.

>>28556383
what year you driving? Post 2018 its improved markedly

>>28556928
> CX-30 /o/ enforcer
> Drives like a retard
what a suprise

>>28558635
>Mazda 3 hasn't been updated meaningfully in US since 2019.
That's why it's the best car in its class right now.

>>28558624
Those are both incredible fuel economies. Who cares after 30.

>>28558182
People that don’t understand that there is a MASSIVE difference between a cvt and an e-cvt are retards that don’t deserve to be listened to.

>>28558182
>>28557944
>>28557882
>>28556252
>Honda Civic HYBRID
>CVT
To think this is a "Automotive Enthusiast" board and you imbeciles don't know the difference between CVT and eCVT. Literal busriders regurgitating talking points from reddit posts from 10 years ago.

Which of these two cars would you choose if your main concern is reliability, achieving high mileage without problems, and a car that lasts more than 10 years?

>>28558784
i honestly wouldn't worry about either of them. hybrid drivetrains like the one found in the honda are more than proven to be highly reliable well into high mileage and mazda is the engineers car company. my family has personally had multiple mazdas go well past 100,000 miles without any major issues. in fact i bought my dad's 08 mazda 3 when he was done with it. it needed new motor mounts which cost me next to nothing and a couple hours one afternoon to replace and it was back to driving like new. i've put another 30,000 miles on it since i've owned it without any issues.my mothers mazda 6 would still be on the road but it got totaled by an illegal immigrant at 110,000 miles on the odometer. people buy mazda miatas with 70,000+ miles on them without even blinking because they can easily do 200,000.

>>28558784
Mazda has paintchip issues, besides that both are reliable brands

>>28558886
every brand has shit paint these days

>>28558774
They shouldn't have called it an ecvt. It confuses people and they're really nothing alike.
CVTs are unreliable trash. A belt has no place in a transmission.
eCVTs are gears just like a traditional transmission and are very reliable.

>>28556928

it's like $60 max for oem sparkplugs...that's for most normie cars like where tf are you getting $200 dude... consider quitting marijuana

>>28559099
Are the Subaru chain CVTs any better? I kinda like the idea of a crosstrek but the hybrid comes out in fall and I can wait tos ee

>>28559259
>CVT
not even once
>eCVT
Will run forever

>>28556169 (OP)
If it's between those get the Civic. Honda knows how to do cars, Mazda just threw the cheapest shit they could find together to try and compete with the car giants like Honda and Toyota. There are so many fucked up quirks and genuinely unsafe things on my CX30 it's getting sold ASAP and I haven't even owned it more than 3 months. Small shit breaks, overall poor quality parts, and all the forced safety shit doesn't even work as it's supposed to half the time. The automatic braking will detect a car in the lane next to me and slam on the brakes almost causing the person behind to crash into me. This turns itself on with each start of the car, you can't keep it off. The headlights stay on 24/7, you can't be moving with them off. They didn't give the user any choice. Transmission issues at 20k miles too, that's not acceptable. The thing is a piece of shit.

Fuck you /o/ for shilling me into buying this junk.

>>28559668
Tell that to my Prius which had an eCVT blow up at 80k miles. They're all shit, stop pretending Goyota is still good. Only their gen 1 vehicles were good.

>>28556169 (OP)
I would choose an actually nice rwd car from the 90's or early 2000's instead of some ugly dystopian shit box.

>>28556169 (OP)
I have a 24 hybrid accord and it's egregiously comfy, GF has a 24 civic and the interior isn't too bad. I know the civic uses the same hybrid powertrain as the accord, it's lighter and the accord so it's like low 6's 0-60 which is more than quick enough. After looking and seeing heated seats in the base hybrid trim I'm kind of sad I didn't get the civic

The Mazda has a torsion bar suspension on the rear axle, while the Honda has a multilink suspension. Is this something to consider?

>>28559870
For a sports car, yes. For a commuter vehicle, not really.

>>28559870
Imagine posting on /o/ about what fwd shit box you want to buy and splitting hairs over the rear suspension hahahaha what the fuck? Dude you're buying a fwd shit box this is like asking about what color lipstick you want on your pig.

I've had the CX-5 and driven the 3 on a rental. Solid vehicles. Tough choice op. If you wanted a hybrid at all I'd recommend the Mazda hybrid since it's just the RAV4 powertrane rebadged. But if you want a sedan the Honda hybrid gets something like 60 mpg.

>>28559958
Better to just go rav4 for the resale. I had to stop my mother from buying a CX-5 and had her get the 2019 RAV4 hybrid instead. She loved the feel of the CX-5 and she’s a big Mazda fan in general because she’s fucking based but the RAV4 hybrid is the ideal commuter vehicle. 40mpg average in mixed driving and resale value that can’t be beat. She literally gets calls from the dealer every month asking to buy it back from her. She’s now got 88,000 miles on the odometer and it runs like the day it drove off the lot. She thanked me at dinner last week for stopping her from buying the Mazda and pushing her to buy the RAV4 hybrid. It’s currently holding 66% of its initial value.

>>28559990
thanks mister toyota rep, i will use your discount code at the dealership too

>>28559994
They really should pay me but I really do t think Toyota needs to worry about their perception of reliability and resale value.

>>28556169 (OP)


It's a shame that kia doesn't really make anything that's competitive with anything, because I kinda like their styling more than other econoboxes.

>>28556169 (OP)
was also searching for a commuter car a few weeks ago and settled on getting a corolla se. the mazda seems to rattle a lot, and the honda will have expensive AC issues eventually while also being a bit too large for congested city driving. If you dont care about little stuff like that then definitely go with the honda.

I also wanted to buy a Civic but then I got a Golf GTI. No regrets.

>>28556169 (OP)
Just get the mazda its an actual car without a turbo

>>28560324
This is the way. Once you get over the extreme cost of repairs and maintenance, you'll learn that European cars are ALWAYS the way to go.

Elantra N and it's not even close

>>28562487
false flagging by mentioning this meme machine in a thread about wanting a simple 4 door is gay, anon.
t. n owner

>>28562492
Used to own a 10th gen Civic and prefer the N in basically every way
No different than anon mentioning the GTI

I would be tempted to get the hybrid Civic since the Mazda 3 has cylinder deactivation. The Civic seems a lot more comfortable too.

>>28558182
CVT misinformation not withstanding, the Integra really is the way. It costs no more than the top trim Civic and is an all around better made, more fun car.

>>28559990
>stopping your mother from buying a fun comfy economy box for a soulless npc commuter econo box

>>28556169 (OP)
some AI thing mentioned that people didn't like the seats in the modern 2025 hondas. As per the reviewers, the summary mentioned that the seats start to sag after a bit (10k miles, or so). I'm looking at replacing my 07 Accord (very reliable) with a brand new Honda Accord for 2025, but the trade in prices for the 07 are a slap in the face, even though I documented all the maintenance work, oil changes, rotations, even wiper blade replacements, but the dealer still didn't move on the trade in price. The accord has around 75k miles on it; ie, just getting started.
07 Accord well maintained**, some scratches but no major work needed on it other than those airbag replacements a few years back.

** I was in a facility for 7 months doing some rehab, and the honda just sat there for those 7 months. Battery was dead, but after a boost, the accord still worked like a charm.

>>28566134
Bro it's a 2007 accord. It's not worth very much. That being said, you'll probably get a lot more if you sell it private party.

>>28556169 (OP)
>Which would you choose?
Neither they're both gay as shit LOLbmaooo0o0o0

>>28566272
not gonna even call them monster trucks?
bro fell off

>>28556169 (OP)
Find some one who has a used one of these for a test drive and you won't want either of those cars.

T. Mazda 3 turbo owner.

>>28566358
Correct choice for those who actually enjoy driving

>>28566281
Well they're OBVIOUSLY ugly slow gay pikachu origami economy MONSTER TRUCKS

>>28566358
Why the FUCK did you put that thing on fuckin STILTS like some kind have fuckin MONSTER TRUCK LOLbmaooo0o0o0

>>28566361
Too slow, and it handles with the precision of a boneless limb
B O N E L E S S

>>28556169 (OP)
Get a hybrid with 50+ miles electric.

Charge the battery at home, ever have to go to a gas station unless you do long 100+ mile drives

>>28566373
>Too slow

Doesn't matter when it feels like you're going to die while going below highway speeds. I get more emotion from this thing at 70km/hr than I do doing more than double that in the mazda 3.

>>28566365
So the soft as fuck suspension can make the car tilt like a carnival ride as you go around a corner.

>>28566407
roadsters/convertibles are for people too retarded to operate a motorcycle

>>28566271
I figured with the upkeep and fine running condition with receipts for all work done; oil changes and rotations and inspection etc, the trade in would be at least 8k, dealer only offered sub 5k for it. I guess no new car for me this year.

Might look into private sale though... Funny thing I was in to getting a Honda Ridgeline a few years back, and was going to sell it to my nephew for 1 dollar so he could save on taxes, but lo and behold he wanted a top to bottom inspection of the car; like I would give him a lemon. Welp, I never got the Ridgeline, and kept the Accord; still running after all these years, lol.

BTW: are there any caveats to avoid when selling a car to family for 1 dollar? Is it true that they save on taxes or does the government f*ck you after all?

>>28556169 (OP)
>brand new
Honda
>used
Mazda

>>28556169 (OP)
if you're considering the civic hybrid you probably don't care for driving for fun, and the hybrid is clearly better on fuel economy.
having had the '22 civic hatch (2.0) and the '23 mazda3 turbo hatch, the only things i even enjoyed about the civic was how complacent the drive because the suspension was more forgiving, and there's definitely more space in the civic hatch compared to either version of the 3.
every other facet about the 3 (regardless of the turbo) was better, including infotainment, driving dynamics, sound, and overall appearance.

if i just didn't give a shit and wanted good space and gas mileage out of an appliance, i'd do the civic hybrid. i own the cx-50 turbo though and prefer that over either.

>>28566365
kill yourself bmao poster

>honda civic hybrid
>go uphill, sustained incline > 5 mins
>battery drained
>left with 140hp with motor -> generator losses, aka 115hp
Fraudulent car.