Thread 28556305

Sedans make no fucking sense
there is zero reason not to utilize this space
crossovers and hatchbacks are much better with compact SUVs being the clear best all around automobile
any buying a sedan is a RUBE

>>28556305 (OP)
No one cares about your A to B needs, normie.

>>28556305 (OP)
All of your examples still waste all that space at the front too. Clearly the best vehicle is a cab-over van.

>>28556305 (OP)
Crossovers make no fucking sense. There is zero reason not to utilize this space. Minivans and wagons are much better with short cargo vans being the best all around automobile.

>>28556305 (OP)
Having a locked enclosed trunk prevents lower tier nogs from looking for something to steal
Upper tier nogs are unstoppable andnjust do it for fun so if you live in SF or detroit it doesn't matter

>>28556305 (OP)
Sedans make no sense, they should all have been station wagons.
Your crossovers and compact suv's should also have been station wagons.

The best vehicle is the cabover pickup truck or SUV but the world still isn't ready for my designs.

>>28556305 (OP)
>t. carries air in the trunk of his cuckwagon 99% of the time he drives it

>>28556305 (OP)
Because it looks good you dipshit, definitely better than whatever you drive. Not everything should be mindlessly utilitarian

>>28556340
Because the Toyota Dyna already exists. It's even a crew cab like everyone gets for their half-tons

i have only ever daily-ed coupes in all my life and this will never change. in the rare occurrence i need a truck to haul things, i’ll spend the few bucks it costs to rent a u-haul or something

>>28556305 (OP)
Metal boxes are the utilitarian solution to any problem.

>>28556305 (OP)
3 boxes makes the middle box nicer. An extra layer of sound insulation. Less volume to heat or cool with hvac. No listening to cargo rolling and rattling around. Plus less weight for more efficiency. Less material means a cheaper purchase price. Trunks can always be opened regardless of how close the car is to any objects, vertically or horizontally.

>>28556346
What's the front and side impact rating on that thing?

Bring back RWD hatchbacks

>>28556364
more than you can afford, pal

>>28556360
This.
>>28556305 (OP)
There's a wagon version.
>>28556364
Shut the fuck up Stacy.

>>28556372
wagon
wagoff

>>28556360
FR sedans and coupes are ideal
-Better handling
-Lower CoG
-Better aerodynamics
-Better sound insulation from engine and trunk
-Large front and rear crumple zones
-Easily accessible mechanicals
-Great sight lines (except the camaro)
-Great looks (A long, wide, low car looks better than one that is short, narrow, and tall -Harley Earl)
-Easier to see around in traffic

>>28556305 (OP)
>there is zero reason not to utilize this space
Actually there is. Because you close off the trunk area, it means the cabin is better insulated from road noise.
>>28556328
Braindead argument
Crossovers are simply lifted hatchbacks and lifted wagons.

>>28556305 (OP)
>there is zero reason not to utilize this space
it's very simple, I don't needed it

>>28556364
Who the fuck cares, you safety faggot

>>28556326
need that sweet crumple zone

>>28556329
how exactly does that change anything? nigger can pop the trunk if they break in the front
small SUVs are designed so you can't really see in the trunk area

>>28556368
uhm no sweetie we can't have nice things

>>28556345
except it doesn't look good, you just got conditioned like a dog to think it does

>>28556420
>-Easier to see around in traffic
This is why I hate all these bloated cuckovers and other similar pieces of shit. Just 10 years ago you could easily see pretty far in front of you even if there were lots of cars there. Now not only a single cuckover completely blocks your forward and backward sightlines but even if you manage to see over the gay piece of shit there's 10 more of the same.

>>28556476
what? can't hear you down there little guy

>>28556476
>trying to take right turn out of a parking lot
>every time some soccer mom in a lifted mall crawler pulls up on the left and blocks my view making it impossible to turn until they do

>>28556476
It's not necessarily the size, but the lack of transparent surfaces that leads to this stupid development.

>>28556468
yeah, if yer yella

>>28556305 (OP)
Small cars make no sense
there is no reason to not utilize this space

>>28556340
>>28556342
>>28556344
>Vertically saved landscape
Nigger

>>28556340
>gets into frontal collision at 40 km/h
>dies
crumple zones exist for a reason zoomer

>>28556468
(((Crumple zone))) is a psyop.

>>28556513
Everyone on this board becomes a fucking woman the second you mention cabovers. You'd never make this reply to a photo of a classic car or a motorcycle. But when I try to actually innovate and make a utilitarian vehicle that solves a number of issues, suddenly you care about safety? The real reason for your objection is that you're scared of the shape and style because you're an NPC, and you must come up with any excuse to justify it

>>28556305 (OP)
i will be crystal clear with you, faggot:
some people want form over function, get over it, dont be a fucking retard

>>28556340
i tought the car was pointing to the left, fucking kek, my sides, i'm sleepy as fuck

>>28556513
It has been done many times retard

>>28556344
I kinda like this one

>>28556596
Holy condensed SOVL. How far the germans have fallen

>>28556544
you can like sucking dick for all I care, doesn't make you right

>>28556368
>Bring back RWD hatchbacks
Did you buy at least one F20 while it was new?

>>28556467
Not him but I like my legs, you know. Would be a shame to lose them.

>>28556340
How do you get in to this one?

>>28556305 (OP)

A trunk will keep the fentanyl addicts from breaking your windows to steal the stuff they see inside.

>>28556547
It is;;;

>>28556726
>living in an area where you have to worry about fent addicts
shiggy diggy

>>28556692
I think you get in through the back door and climb up to the front. Similar to how you use the back seats in a 4 door coupe.

>>28556726
how can they see inside my CRV trunk

>>28556596
Hey bro, that design is a little unsafe. Let me fix that for you.

Guys, I have designed a Tacoma that's safe for women and children. Finally, the posters in this thread can get a truck with adequate crumple zone for their needs.

>>28556308
You own a high performance sedan, right?

>>28556776
>*gets rear ended*

cuckovers are the definition of wasted space and material.
>I want a golf but it has to handle like a pig, weigh 2 tonnes, cost 20k extra and people should think I'm an old woman
>say no more! here's your new T-KEK

>>28556664
BMW must have made it ugly on purpose.
Something is fucked with the silhouette that makes the car look weird.

>>28556765
>>28556776
HYB

>>28556783
>I want a golf but it has to handle like a pig, weigh 2 tonnes, cost 20k extra
A Jetta weighs the same as a Taos. The Jetta starts at $23k, Taos starts at $25.5k. They don't even offer the base golf anymore, just the GTI which is $32.4k.
>wasted space
The Taos has 27.9 cubic feet of cargo space. The Jetta has 14.1.

Why are you guys such loser faggots constantly lying and knowing nothing about anything.

>eurocuck hours OP
>retarded cucked "muh efficiency" post
Rangeban eurocucks

>>28556776
stick a v16 in that thing

>>28556916
Kill yourself wetback.

>>28556963
Don't make me post my V6 Fusion that's faster than your old as shit Toyota shitbox

>>28556471
You're pretty stupid aren't you? A majority of thefts like that are crimes of opportunity, smash and grabs. Monkey see, monkey steal. It's a lot less common that they go through the trouble of prying a trunk open or opening it from inside because
1. they can't see that there's something in there
2. they don't bother taking what they can't grab in 5 seconds of smashing a window and reaching through.
If you weren't some borderline nigtard yourself, you'd realize this. Security through obscurity is a great way to reduce risk.

>>28556547
desu the thumbnail looks like a duesenburg.

>>28556757

That list grows every day. My father lives in Minneapolis. Used to be so safe he could leave his car and house unlocked. Now he's getting mugged by Somalians when he goes for a walk.

>>28556372
unrelated note, what car has the least obstructed vision while still having a roof ?
>>28556499
tfw old houses have tiny garages

>>28556305 (OP)
>Having more weight for no reason is good, actually

>>28556358
SSSSSIIINNNDDDRIIIII!!!

>>28557033
>>28557033
>Minneapolis
>used to be safe
What, 50 years ago?

>>28556305 (OP)
Jag conversions normally don't end well.

>>28556596
>rear engine under a flatbed

really the most effective use of space imaginable.

>>28556916
you can utilize that space with a pickup
with a sedan you can't
leave it to the spic to miss the whole point of the discussion

>>28557017
you can't see into the trunk with a compact suv
back window too tinted
also you can just use a cover thing if you're a grandma living in the ghetto worried about break ins

>>28557217
more cargo space and negligible weight difference
I'm not a poor fag pinching pennies obsessing over 1mpg

>>28556305 (OP)
but then its harder to use the trunk as a sub box

>>28556468
that's called a ribcage

>>28556474
Yes goy, keep buying crossover slop. It's not you who's susceptible to marketing, it's everyone who's not buying the most common and profitable form of vehicle

>>28556350
based and same, except i just borrow my parents' van

>>28556666
Listen, quad Satan, just don't crash. It's so fuckin simple.

>>28556326
>>28556468
Let's compromise shall we?
Semi-bonneted vans for just enough crumple zone with almost maximally utilised space.

>>28557527
Based

>>28557505
I mean if you want buy a sedan go for it but you're dumb for doing it

>>28557530
>>28557527
these are effectively crossovers/compact suvs with a slightly different aesthetic style

>>28557553
wrong, crossovers and other fat incapable cars are worse versions of these

>>28556326
Built for tailgating

>>28557494
Just stick your ear up to a washing machine.

>>28557582
yeah you can use whatever mouthsound makes you feel good but either way it still beats the sedan

>>28557494
>PAY ATTENTION TO ME!

>>28557616
Are you insecure about buying an SUV or something? Why are you seething about sedans so much? If you have to fight this hard to defend your purchase to strangers, you may need to see a therapist.

>>28556368
Amen. If only Honda made a rwd jazz.

>>28557641
I drive a sedan that I bought years ago but I'm realizing that they are trash with no reason to be designed the way they are

>>28557681
Try just enjoying what you have instead of being a weird self defeatist. Is this some sort of fetish thing? I don't get it

>>28556869
Excuses again. No wonder there's no RWD hatchbacks anymore.

>>28557697
>just don't think
sorry nigger, that's just not my style

>>28556305 (OP)
Don't need it, retard.

>>28557738
Seems you're pretty good at it actually

>>28556305 (OP)
Sedans have better aero and better looks. Also my sedan mogs most S*V garbage in terms of trunk space. If you cared about space you'd pick a wagon or minivan, among them you find the real GOATs.

>>28556976
>the wetback is also a moenigger
At this point I'm convinced you love cgdct shit, have never had sex, and barely have a job. Also the absolute irony of you talking about shitbox when your "trucks" are 50% rust by weight. And to top it off there is no scenario except a 1/4 mile where your grocery getter compares to my car you fucking spic.

>>28557017
Nah, they go through all cars they see because it costs them nothing to smash the windows and check, they're not gonna get caught and even if they did they won't go to prison, and it's not like they've got anything better to do. That's why people in SF are leaving notes on their car saying they've got nothing of value or even leaving them wide open because it's better than having to buy new windows every other day.

>>28556305 (OP)
>crossovers
>compact SUVs
The solution is called a STATION WAGON

>>28557749
now that is wit
give yourself a pat on the back, hombre

>>28557878
best part is they still smash the cars with notes and open windows just to spite these faggots

>>28557092
>what car has the least obstructed vision
the opel astra f 2 door hatchback

>>28557845
>aryanime hater posts anti-White propaganda
lol

>>28556305 (OP)
Nigger-tier opinion.

>>28557219
*rasping breath* WE...NNNNHHH...WE SHOULD TAKE AWAY....THEIR METAL BAWXESSSS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxQ209gGRBo

Based old faggot.

>>28558008
>mocking cucktruck trend and the marketing push behind it is "anti-white propaganda"
>says a mexcrement weeb living in a dusty shack
>the fucking word "aryanime"
You subhumans are incapable of self-awareness I swear.

>>28556914
>2011 Jetta used in visual comparison
why? also who needs 28 cubic litres all the time. that's the definition of wasted space, unless you're consistently hauling around that much crap. cost is fair, but locally the new jetta runs almost 10k leafbux less than a lightly optioned taos. the GLI is closer in cost.
>A Jetta weighs 100-350lbs less than a Taos
ftfy

>>28558390
>cubic litres
>anon casually living in 9-dimensional space

>>28558404
fucking kek, im a bit drunk, leave me alone

>>28558390
>also who needs 28 cubic litres all the time
>who even needs 14.1 cubic feet of space?
>8 cubic feet? Truly too much
>0.5? Perfect, I can put just a bottle of water in there
Fuck off retard.
>Jetta weighs 100-350lbs less than a Taos
A whole 100 lbs. Your fatass could stand to lose 100lbs, so they'd weigh the same.

>>28556305 (OP)
Lyft driver here. I packed the sedan's trunk up to the brim with luggage all the time and they fits fine

>>28558433
pretty shit counter mate, try again

>>28558477
pretty shit cope mate, try again

>>28558434
>>Lyft driver
No thanks.

>>28558364
>he doesn't even know
lole

>>28558555
I don't care pedro. Just die as soon as possible.

>>28558364
>>28557845
Go prep the Syrian rapefugee that is about to fuck your sister, eurocuck

>>28557699
There are no RWD cars period, as RWD is almost exclusively used by "luxury" brands with the occasional prestige sports coupe. There is also the third gen Twingo I guess.
Hatchbacks as a market segment are for poor people and are currently being displaced by cuckovers.
BMW trying was admirable but at the end of the day a person who can afford a 1 series BMW hatchback and is buying it for RWD can spend that money on a decent second hand E46 or E39, which they would.

>>28556489
>Pull forward more to see around them
>They pull forward too

>>28558776
>BMW trying was admirable but at the end of the day a person who can afford a 1 series BMW hatchback
What the fuck are you talking about? F20 (and E87 before them) were the most rental-spec shitboxes possible (and lots of them ended up in rental agencies grouped together with tiny Toyotas and some French shit). Women were buying 116i and 118i by the thousands, saw plenty of those on the road. Probably that's where "our customers can't even tell what wheel drive it is" came from. 2 liter diesels were more enjoyable to drive, yes they were a bit more expensive but still reasonable. Only the i6 performance models were less affordable.
>can spend that money on a decent second hand E46 or E39, which they would.
If all the enthusiasts are buying used "fun cars" instead of the new ones, the manufacturers have literally zero reason to cater to enthusiasts by making new "fun cars". If you can afford something fun new and are interested in it, buy it, because otherwise it will cease to exist.

>>28556765
your holiness the popemobile is ready

>>28558722
>the mexcrement indeed is a /pol/nigger

>>28556305 (OP)
dont care about boot space. Even when me roof is folded i have enough space for several bags of groceries(im not fatmerican).

>>28559397
>What the fuck are you talking about?
Maybe read the full sentence next time?
>any person who can afford [...] AND is buying it for RWD [...]
People who value RWD are not going to buy a 116i hatchback if they can get a second hand higher spec car.
Either you don't have money so you have no choice but to buy second hand if you want to get the most performance you can afford, or you do have money in which case you aren't going for a low end product.
Voting with your wallet won't work here, the market forces are too strong and people who want a RWD and a Hatchback are a rounding error amount of the whole buying base.

Manufacturers sadly do not see any value in having such an offering, in fact most manufacturers don't see the value in RWD at all.
It is making a comeback of sorts with electric cars, so you can thank the monkey paw for that one.

>>28559453
>People who value RWD are not going to buy a 116i hatchback if they can get a second hand higher spec car.
Or cough up a bit more money or take a loan and buy a 120d?
>Voting with your wallet won't work here
>the market forces are too strong
Excuses again. Pathetic. But maybe you're right and hatchback fags really are the whiny pussies that can't influence the market even in the smallest.

>>28559421
I saved that image from /int/, retarded eurocuck

>>28556328
Being higher with better ground clearance and bigger wheels is practical, and the sloped rear gives it better aerodynamics while still retaining the practical hatch trunk. The crossover is the ideal vehicle for the road and can even handle light paths. There's a reason they're so popular.

If you're really going to be relegated to the road only, and don't mind smashing the bottom of your car on every pothole, and don't transport anything but groceries, a sedan is a better bet because it gets better fuel economy.

>>28559781
>being tiny inside and having a propensity to fall over for no good reason
Yeah, right. I'll stick to wagons.

>>28559781
>practical hatch trunk
>sloped
So you can't put anything both wide and tall in it, because you're cucked by your rear window. I bought a crossover-looking cuckover because my country didn't get the wagon-looking version of it and I found out that it's relevant if you use your trunk.

>>28559781
>practical hatch trunk
>sloped
So you can't put anything both wide and tall in it, because you're cucked by your rear window. I bought a hatchback-looking cuckover because my country didn't get the wagon-looking version of it and I found out that it is relevant if you use your trunk.

>>28556305 (OP)
wagons are not cool

>>28559911
Doubt.

>>28559929
that's ugly as fuck

>>28559931
Doesn't matter what you think. It is cool. This one is also cool.

>>28559565
>mexico's president is a leftist jewess that worked on the GIEC report
>the US army can now freely invade mexico territory to deal with cartels themselves
>here we have a NEET mexcrement that shills for free for trucks he can't afford
Even in your shithole you're ridiculed. You suck american cock from the other side of the border.

>>28558364
Cute femboy on the right

>>28559911
Sire, it pains me to inform you that your trousers are alight.

>>28556364
No, and Yes, respectively.

>>28559943
this was literally cooler as the sedan
>>28560056
this is literally ruined by being a wagon and not a coupe

>>28560078
You can get it in not a wagon but that would be silly.

>>28560078
>this was literally cooler as the sedan
Fuck no. The sedan's short notchback is horrendous. While the wagon looks harmonious, like it was the original version.

>>28560083
>>28560078
There was a "Coupé". And some bloke grafted its rear onto the 159 to make a 5 door version as well.

>>28560105
That Brera must have been a REAL mess for someone to go there. :)

>>28560078
>this was literally cooler as the sedan
Nope. LT1 was the only option for the wagon. They knew it was cooler.

>>28556305 (OP)
Sedans are more aerodynamics
Sedans almost always get better mileage unless it's super heavy or using an inefficient engine
The few inches of lift that CUVs provide as typically irrelevant. You're still never going to be able to go proper rock crawling with one, and for normal usage the average consumer does not need the lift to begin with. Even a normal sedan can get down terrible forest service roads that are unmaintained, pitted, and full of holes.
Sloped hatch usually adds next to no storage... because it's slopped which means besides oddly shaped objects or shit that can squish you're not fitting anything big in there. Just look at the Mazda3 vs Mazda3 hatchback. In the one off instances that you find yourself needing to haul furniture you can rent a uhaul for nearly $30/d
Also CUVs handle like shit compared to a Sedan

>>28560157
Whatever.

>>28556305 (OP)
I agree. Station wagons, hatchbacks are the best cars.

>>28556305 (OP)
I just bought a porsche and threw away all the shit that doesn't fit in the frunk instead of bitching.

>>28559929
Imagine the blind spots.

>>28560525
Same as a saloon but back on the corners of the normally invisible trunk.

The rear window of a saloon doesn't get muddy in the rain.

>>28560558
Is that worth 30bucks to move an armchair?
I had a car without a rear wiper once, Alfa 75.

>>28560558
Yeah and you can't wipe the rain off to see in slower traffic where it doesn't get blown off because they never come with rear wipers on this continent

>>28556305 (OP)
Sedans are comfy. The one I drive happens to be ridiculously aerodynamic.

>>28556780
Loves getting rear ended by black men with huge crumple zones

>>28560601
You can probably get a proper one of those.

>>28556328
Crossovers are a very nice upgrade from a sedan since its easier to get in and out of, more interior space, has better city driving and MPG than SUVs. Unibody gives more space in a smaller footprint than an SUV counterpart.

I have owned and drived to dirt literally every form of passenger vehicle known to man and i'm here to declare that: "for a daily driver hatchback hybrids are based and everything else is gay and retarded prove me wrong you can't." pic ABSOLUTELY related

>>28560659
Hows the eCVT.

>>28560687
I've been in some shitbox minicab Pirii and they feel like old school auto.
They get really rattly up back if you take the parcel shelf out for some reason.

>>28560687
it's a total cranky piece of shit but it fucking works still and i'm goddamn amazed every day!

>>28560659
My gf's 2008 prius has 600k on it, changed the battery once set me back about 3k AUD. I use it often over my 4wd to pick up shit if its far away.
Have collected complete engines, transmissions. Entire 1/4 panels for utes that take up the entire length. You would be amazed how much fucking shit you can fit in the back of these bad boys. Just don't ever fucking crash or you will die.

The only downside is her cat got stolen twice before I put a shield on the bottom and an amazon fake cat. People (crackheads) love stealing prius cats.

>>28560704
one time i fit an entire 2 bedroom apartment in (and on top of) a 2012 prius and drove that fucker cross country without an issue. only use trucks for fuck off big stuff now really. i had the thing parked in town across a couple cities for years too and was honestly shocked no one ever tried to get under it. someone did pop it with a cloned keyless entry and took my cup change though so that was not cool.

>>28560649
Every crossover I have sat in is a SIDRAT.

>>28560659
True if you only go from point A to B or have a second vehicle.

>>28560642
But would I want to? Can it go 85 to 110 without much notice?

>>28556340
oh yeah revolutionary

>>28556340
unprecedented, never been seen before

>>28560642
Hideous

>>28556340
Groundbreaking innovation my friend, definitely han't been around since at least the 1960s. Indeed the world just wouldn't accept such a radical design.

>>28561091
Why should it not be able to?

>>28561091
I've had cruise control set at 140 in a first gen Volvo V70. Drives the exact same as the S70.