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Anonymous No.28558333 >>28558376 >>28558411 >>28558413 >>28558436 >>28558443 >>28558444 >>28558502 >>28558540 >>28558648 >>28558676 >>28558734 >>28558739 >>28558752 >>28558949 >>28559211 >>28559255 >>28559269 >>28559784 >>28559800 >>28559801 >>28560517 >>28560534 >>28560628 >>28563252 >>28563264 >>28563909 >>28564588 >>28564655
Most of the freeways were built 50+ years ago. When are they going to widen these fuckers? Traffic would flow so much better.
Anonymous No.28558347 >>28558355 >>28558471
My dream is destroying whole city blocks and doubling the width of many streets and highways to make cities more functional with the populations they currently support.

The problem is - nowadays - all they do is add more toll lanes - so nobody uses those - and it fixes nothing - or people argue it would cause "induced demand" to widen the highways - utter bullshit
Anonymous No.28558355 >>28558399 >>28558471 >>28561227
>>28558347
I want all these people who hate driving and are looking at their phones so they fucking rear end me for the fifth time to go on public transportation. I’d prefer to pay more for roads and have them be emptier
Anonymous No.28558356
You could have 100 lanes and the on/off ramps and interchanges would still be congested.
Anonymous No.28558376 >>28558380
>>28558333 (OP)


Traffic never improves when you add more lanes because there is no price for use. Tragedy of the commons.
If you paid tolls to use roads rather than pay taxes, then you'd see improvement.
Anonymous No.28558380 >>28558506 >>28558531 >>28559211 >>28559800
>>28558376
Regressive tax that affects the poor disproportionately more than other people
Anonymous No.28558399 >>28558471 >>28558501 >>28558748 >>28560100
>>28558355
OR
we make car-to-car signaling tech mandatory and add digitized well maintain lane markings to roads so people CAN look at their phones while driving.


>If you paid tolls to use roads rather than pay taxes, then you'd see improvement.
NO cuz people will just avoid the toll lanes and it doesn't fucking fix the problem
toll roads should be illegal
Anonymous No.28558411 >>28558648 >>28558704
>>28558333 (OP)
They're more or less constantly doing where I live in St. Louis Missouri. It's kind of fun sometimes since I rarely get caught in rush hour these days
Anonymous No.28558413 >>28558432
>>28558333 (OP)
They need to double decker them. Through traffic on top, local traffic below
Anonymous No.28558432
>>28558413
There are already highways like that. The 401 through Toronto has like 5 express and collector lanes in each direction and they still get congested because it's transfers that always cause issues.
Anonymous No.28558436
>>28558333 (OP)
Ban niggers and women from driving.
Anonymous No.28558443
>>28558333 (OP)
>When are they going to widen these fuckers?
Every time they do, some boomer cuts all the way across the freeway to go slow in the fast lane. Improvements won't do any good before the day of the pillow.
Anonymous No.28558444
>>28558333 (OP)
Make more exits and has entrance discouraging its use by displaying the congestion. People hate highway because shits fucked miles ahead and they can't get out.
Anonymous No.28558471
>>28558355
>I want all these people who hate driving and are looking at their phones so they fucking rear end me for the fifth time to go on public transportation.
This. Fucking this. SPBP
>>28558347
>toll lanes - so nobody uses those
>>28558399
>niggers will just avoid the toll lanes
Fixed for you.
Anonymous No.28558501
>>28558399
>or we can make actually driving illegal
Go fuck yourself, if you want to use your phone on the road get on a bus
Anonymous No.28558502 >>28558955
>>28558333 (OP)
The problem is building codes. All of the major, high density, businesses and companies are located in the specific areas of the cities. Thousands of people are trying to funnel into those areas during the same period of time. Traffic occurs.
Anonymous No.28558506 >>28558700
>>28558380
I don’t give a fuck, the poor can get on a BUS, that’s why we pay taxes for BUSSES
I would happily pay more for everything to the point driving is a significant financial burden and everyone has free public transportation because I LOVE DRIVING and all these other retards just want to arrive at their destination, I don’t care how much it costs to maximize enjoyment in a car or on a bike, that’s why I go to TRACKS
Anonymous No.28558531
>>28558380
and that's a good thing
Anonymous No.28558540 >>28558541
>>28558333 (OP)
>He thinks adding lanes reduces traffic
On my sweet summer child.
Anonymous No.28558541 >>28558554 >>28558556 >>28558568 >>28558757 >>28560544 >>28562434 >>28563236
>>28558540
What's the real solution short of banning cars and forcing people into commieblocks and buses or trains?
Anonymous No.28558554 >>28558560
>>28558541
>banning ... people
FTFY. The problem, as always, is there are simply too damn many people. No good or easy way to solve that one, unfortunately.
Anonymous No.28558556
>>28558541
Nah the real solution is better city planning with express ways and minimizing exits on freeways.
Anonymous No.28558560
>>28558554
China solved that problem decades ago so good that they now are panicking over their mistake once they realized their current birth rate can't sustain their future population.
Anonymous No.28558568 >>28558575
>>28558541
AI self driving controlling all cars.
Almost all traffic is caused by people and bad diving.
But then If I say NIGGER I'll get banned from driving.
So idk,
Maybe we can get normal fags into self driving cars and we can chill in old cars
Anonymous No.28558575
>>28558568
Fuck off Elon
Anonymous No.28558648 >>28559225 >>28561234
>>28558411
Outside of 70, I ain't seen much getting widened here. They need to revise entrance and exit ramps. Less merging to keep traffic flowing works well, but it's expensive. That seems to be where most slowdown comes from.

>>28558333 (OP)
Generally widening highways only works temporarily until everyone sprawls and things slow down. Keeping traffic moving with less merging helps, or at least if it's spread out because people don't know how to merge or pay attention to the road.
Anonymous No.28558676
>>28558333 (OP)
CalTrans literally has plans 30 years out.
They implement one expansion that takes 5 years to complete then start on the next phase of expanding the same road and have a road crew in the same exact area for another 5 years.

Government 101
Anonymous No.28558700
>>28558506
Based.
Anonymous No.28558704 >>28558712
>>28558411
>It's kind of fun sometimes since I rarely get caught in rush hour these days
that's impossible, reddit has taught me that any time you add lanes you get even worse traffic thanks to Induced Demand™
Anonymous No.28558712
>>28558704
Yeah hence the
>constantly doing it
in anon's post you absolute fucking nigger. Go back to r*ddit since you're so savvy about their discussions.
Anonymous No.28558734 >>28558742
>>28558333 (OP)
just one more lane bro, please bro i swear it will work bro
Anonymous No.28558739
>>28558333 (OP)
The solution isn't "one more lane" freeways, it's making public transport more competitive in order to take cars off the road. Part of that is improving public safety so Tyrone doesn't slip into weed psychosis and stab a commuter.

Call me an /n/tard as much as you like but the bitter redpill is that getting people who don't like driving out of cars and off the road would:
>a) Make the roads less congested and make actual driving more fun.
>b) Force automotive manufacturers to cater to people who actually like driving and stop making cuckover blobs for soccer moms.
Anonymous No.28558742
>>28558734
>i
ESL eurocuck
Anonymous No.28558748
>>28558399
>tech mandatory
No that's dumb and will cause multiples more problems than it would ever fix.
>well maintained lane marks
So the highway's going to be shut down every three weeks and god forbid if it rains or snows, god forbid the cost and resource constraint. You know road paint uses titanium and manufactured ceramic silica beads for the reflectivity? You do now. Imagine the cost of ripping out mildly worn paints and replacing them constantly.

I can tell someone's age (range) by how wishful thinking their ideas are. I used to have a lot of dumb, wishful thinking ideas.
Keep it simple, keep it cheap. The best answers are the easiest.

Teach people to drive better, enforce driving codes, and publicly announce problems. That fixes driving issues.
Anonymous No.28558752 >>28558955 >>28559812
>>28558333 (OP)
Traffic can be solved by promoting WFH, it was literally a solved problem during 2020. Add a congestion tax to companies that have any non-necessary in-office jobs.
Anonymous No.28558757 >>28558931 >>28558939 >>28558948 >>28561233
>>28558541
>Banning cars
No
>Making trains actually a viable alternative with more routes, more stops, more trains on the tracks, longer running hours etc
THAT would get the average person out of a car. Won't happen ever, we've built too much without planning for better public transit and trying to shoehorn more in is nearly impossible without invoking eminent domain.
Anonymous No.28558931 >>28558948
>>28558757
Replace one lane in each direction on the interstate with a rail
Anonymous No.28558939 >>28558948
>>28558757
Replace one lane in each direction on the interstate with a rail
Anonymous No.28558948 >>28558960
>>28558757
>>28558931
>>28558939
I thought the rule on /o/ is /n/ shitters get banned and called braindead trannies.
Anonymous No.28558949
>>28558333 (OP)
They just need an upper level. Keep building up. Have onramps for the upper levels.
Anonymous No.28558955 >>28558961
>>28558502
>>28558752
These anons get it; the actual solution to traffic is spreading things out more so you have less people trying to be in the same place at the same time, and WFH obviously helps with that as well.

To anyone who thinks that improving public transport would help, I would like to point out that dense areas with large amounts of public transport have WORSE traffic than more spread out areas, and longer commute times (for both automotive and public transit commuters).
Anonymous No.28558959 >>28559800
50% of traffic congestion is the makeup of the type of drivers. More lanes often makes the worst offenders even worse.

Have one highway going downtown. Handles more people and commuters, stays moving.
Another one goes through college, university, and high manufacturing blue collar section.
It handles less people and is of similar size, but takes 5x longer to go the same distance around rush hours.

With experience using both it is the dumber idiots changing lanes constantly causing a lot of the slowdown. Every time one lane starts moving 10% of the drivers of other lanes move into that lane, causing a brakelight chain reaction behind them. This keeps repeating.
You also have idiots merging into temporary on and offramps that are not getting on or off to go around some vehicles just to force a merge further ahead, drasticly increasing how many people must slow and merg.
When you are on a road with 10-20% of drivers acting like this it dramaticly slows down traffic, and also increases accidents.

The type of person on the road has a bigger impact than how many.
Anonymous No.28558960 >>28559274
>>28558948
Explain how wanting normgroids who are barely capable of driving to have more viable alternatives is /n/. There would be less demand for an infinite sea of beige crossover blobs.
Anonymous No.28558961 >>28558966
>>28558955
Chicken and egg. Did the population density outpace the development of road and public transit? The answer is almost 100% guaranteed to be "yes". Of course I had less traffic when I lived in an area on the border of rural and industrial, the roads weren't filled to the brim.
Anonymous No.28558966 >>28560982 >>28561231
>>28558961
There isn’t any city in America that has good public transportation. The ones that look like they might have feral homeless future doctor problems and chronic unreliability that have had peak hour ridership in the tubes for ages
Anonymous No.28559211 >>28560963
>>28558380
That's what makes it good. Stay off the road if you can't afford it. Driving experiences will dramatically improve if every highway priced you fuckers out.
>>28558333 (OP)
Traffic would flow better with less fuckers on it, not more, retard.
Anonymous No.28559225 >>28559230
>>28558648
>Generally widening highways only works temporarily until everyone sprawls and things slow down
keep widening
wider wider wider
Anonymous No.28559230 >>28559234
>>28559225
Lane Man, is that you?
Anonymous No.28559234
>>28559230
I dunno what that means, but if I were American President, I would massively widen all the highways and add self driving capacity/publicly available mapping data for ADAS systems/car2car communication
Anonymous No.28559255
>>28558333 (OP)
>widen these fuckers
>Traffic would flow
I actually think that on some deep unconscious level the average commuter likes to be mired in traffic.
Anonymous No.28559269
>>28558333 (OP)
Thanks to various factors, doubling the size of a road does not double its capacity. Thus, the only way to solve traffic is to deport 100+ million and decentralize the population back into smaller towns. Or we build public transport, which would reqire even more deportation to work properly along with a rebuilding of the denser inner city.
Anonymous No.28559274 >>28559419 >>28559521
>>28558960
>no the solution isnt the easier, cheaper way
>no we cant make drivers better by public training/resources/enforcement

>spend 80 billion dollars expanding mass >trans< port, that's the solution

You deserve two ropes when you are hanged. Please show up in your programming socks and skirt to complete the message.
Anonymous No.28559419
>>28559274
>no we cant make drivers better by public training/resources/enforcement
No you can't. Stricter driving license standards means a good portion of people being unable to get it, and thus unable to work and function as there are no alternatives.
So shut the fuck up and stop acting so edgy faggot, it's embarrassing to read. One punch in your potty mouth and you'll be back to your usual obsequious behavior so spare us the larp.
Anonymous No.28559521
>>28559274
>you can’t make Juan, Tyrone, Weiwei, and Arjuna, better drivers
Yes that’s right
Anonymous No.28559784
>>28558333 (OP)
Just deport all the browns and we'd be at 25% of our current population. There's plenty of room and infrastructure, there's just too many goddamn useless monkeys.
Anonymous No.28559800
>>28558333 (OP)
I've witnessed it myself but widening actually increases accidents and can make traffic worse. You need to fix the choke points or else its just a faster way to get to traffic lights.

>>28558959
Its just a vote buyer

>>28558380
what about poor who don't drive much, I think pay as you go would be better, the more you drive the more you pay
Anonymous No.28559801
>>28558333 (OP)
Increase speed limits, more like autobahns.
Anonymous No.28559812
>>28558752
This. I'd add trains for goods alone.
Anonymous No.28560100
>>28558399
>brownoids avoid the roads
>traffic improves
problem fucking fixed
Anonymous No.28560517
>>28558333 (OP)
I 34 near me is so over-engineered, erected generally during the Cold War, with Federal resource. and recently refined to a whole lot of fun, It's better than the Autobahn in some respects, most particularly how light traffic is sometimes. Sometimes it's like one has the better part of the planet to oneself.
Anonymous No.28560532 >>28564475
LA already has a lot of public transit options between rail, subway, and busses and it still hasn't helped.
Anonymous No.28560534
>>28558333 (OP)
>When are they going to narrow those cars
Someone has thought about it.
Anonymous No.28560544
>>28558541
Realizing that the freeway isn't the bottleneck
Anonymous No.28560628
>>28558333 (OP)
It genuinely wouldn't help
All the dirty mexoids that zog pays to have here in the US will drive 300 miles a day if they can make $20 doing it. If something happened to make traffic lighter they will just drive more until it's worse again and equilibrium returns.
The only solutions are population reduction, or to make driving prohibitively expensive.
Anonymous No.28560963 >>28560971 >>28561229
>>28559211
>can't afford to live in town where the work is
>can't afford to drive into town from a place that's affordable to live
Guess I'll just kill you and then myself
Anonymous No.28560971
>>28560963
Yes
Too many people on this gay earth. Please take as many tards with you as possible.
Anonymous No.28560982
>>28558966
>Good public transportation
This would require that there were no browns, blacks or other minorities anywhere in the country, that we had 100% employment and 0% homelessness, no major drug epidemics and no angry young men feeling slighted that they can't get laid.

In order for transportation with/around the public to be safe, the public has to be made up entirely of reasonable and educated (read: white) individuals without substance problems that also have an incentive not to turn to crime or listless behavior. Until then it just isn't fucking safe, which means it isn't fucking worth it, which means its not worth building because nobody in their right mind will use it except the browns - which in turn means, since there are no people onboard, there's no point to building it in the first place. Simple as.
Anonymous No.28561227 >>28562789
>>28558355
I want them all jettisoned into the sea and for public transit to be abolished wholesale.
Anonymous No.28561229
>>28560963
>dipshit zoomer doesn't know how the economy works
what happens when the jobs aren't where the people are? the jobs move to where the people are, or transport people to where the jobs are.
Anonymous No.28561231
>>28558966
this is a No True Scotsman argument. You blame the lack of public transit, even in cities with Euro-tier transit solutions like NYC and DC.
Anonymous No.28561233
>>28558757
people only take public transit when they have no other choice.
>uhm, Japan? Europe?
Car ownership is prohibitively expensive there. there's a reason why those countries charge tax on engine size and have $9 a gallon gasoline. the intent is to force the peons onto the trains. If they could afford a car, they'd drive it.
Anonymous No.28561234 >>28562723
>>28558648
sprawl reduces traffic because you have fewer people coming from and going to the same handful of places.
Anonymous No.28562434 >>28562789
>>28558541
A country's economic system shouldn't be based around the entire population of the planet having to live in one city. Contiguous urban metros shouldn't have more than a quarter million residents (ideally they'd be well below that) and should be at least 30 miles away from each other. The pursuit of regional self-sufficiency/autarky and economic diversity through tariffs and ethnonationalism is an a priori good for political and economic stability. Of course every country on earth (except maybe Russia) is pursuing the exact opposite of this. Proposing to ban cars after making people sick of sharing the road with all of the world's nonwhites and women is part of the plan
Anonymous No.28562723
>>28561234
Sprawl works for going in either direction until you have to exit or enter the freeway. People have to slow down or speed up to enter or exit, and the length of the lane to merge makes a difference how fast this change in speed occurs, affecting the speed of traffic in either case. The best case is to reduce as little of the speed as necessary, but many factors such as location of the intersecting thoroughfare or length of ramps, congestion at any given time of day play a huge part. You can't really widen entrances and exits, especially in already heavily developed areas.

A case in point, there is a main avenue off the interstate in my county that is super busy because the town was designed to house all commercial shopping off the main parkway as it is also intersecting the interstate. It used to be a major congestion point to get on and off at the freeway as the entrance and exit ramps were too short. They revised part of the entrance ramp to the freeway and exit ramp for the same direction. While this improved the flow getting off the highway, they made the entrance ramp a half clover or U-bend that goes under the overpass as you merge into the freeway. This did little to help relieve congestion as it backed up one lane down the entire parkway. Now while there is a second lane to around the clover leaf, and thus merge back into that clover leaf/U-bend lane, it simply moves congestion to the main parkway, and to a lesser degree, in heavy traffic, the merging lanes in the entrance to the highway, while merging into the highway. In theory it should work, but only does so marginally. It also doesn't help that the entrance is right before a major bend in the interstate that people generally slow down for. Adding a third lane to the interstate will help here, but only so much as relocating your entrance would vastly help as well. Again, people don't know how to merge and have done so on this ramp at 30 mph while the other lane was doing 60.
Anonymous No.28562789 >>28563877 >>28564344
>>28561227
Pathetic larp, shlomo. Fuck off this board.
>>28562434
>ethnonationalism
>in a 56% mutt hellhole
Anonymous No.28562803 >>28563114
>He thinks making roads wider will make them flow better
Anonymous No.28563114
>>28562803
It makes sense, but the inverse is also true: make driving less miserable and more people will drive

Removing all the equator dwellers is the only solution.
Anonymous No.28563236
>>28558541
I have a better idea
>deport the mexcrements
>america has 40% less population
>roads can accommodate more traffic
Especially here in california.
Anonymous No.28563252 >>28564312
>>28558333 (OP)
They gotta build up! Highways five layers tall!
Anonymous No.28563264
>>28558333 (OP)
You need good public transport to deal with congestion.
At a certain point of population and traffic density cars unfortunately become a retarded option and repurposing more space to them makes matters worse. I'm saying all that as someone who loves driving and owns 4 cars.
I was in japan a few months ago and they have those issues solved.
I was able to drive around tokyo with zero congestion on tiny inner city highways while traffic in cities like LA is unbearable even though it's around one third the population and density of tokyo.
Anonymous No.28563877
>>28562789
An America of 100 million Nordics in the near future is more realistic than Europe surviving the next decade
Anonymous No.28563909 >>28563928
>>28558333 (OP)
Law of osmosis applies to additional traffic lanes, because people are terrible drivers.
Anonymous No.28563928
>>28563909
Call me Osmosis Jones when I lane split
Anonymous No.28564312
>>28563252
That looks cool as fuck. But no we can't have cool futuristic infrastructure projects like this because we need more gay bike lines yeah?
Anonymous No.28564344 >>28564458
>>28562789
I am so glad Israel will genocide your family.
Anonymous No.28564458
>>28564344
So after the tears in >>28561433 you're now seething?
Anonymous No.28564475
>>28560532
This system is a shadow of the former street car system, and has too few "nexus" points making some routes such as San Bernardino to Orange County absolutely ridiculous.
Anonymous No.28564486
ban women and foreigners from driving on the freeway
Anonymous No.28564567
Getting rid of the ~1/4 of the country that's here illegally will have a much greater effect. Further, denaturalizing and removing the other ~1/3 of the country that shouldn't have received birthright in the first place and/or hate the country and everything it stands for but refuse to leave and go out of their way to actively sabotage it Will help even more. America doesn't have an infrastructure problem (well I mean it does, just not like this), it has a way over capacity for the amount of people it should actually have right now so scaling is too slow and too expensive problem.
Anonymous No.28564588
>>28558333 (OP)
I'd rather cut population.
Anonymous No.28564655
>>28558333 (OP)
They just need to stop letting in foreigners, problem solved!