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Anonymous No.28558337 [Report] >>28558345 >>28558378 >>28558387 >>28558459 >>28558475 >>28558526 >>28559988 >>28559996 >>28560147 >>28562484 >>28562782 >>28562954 >>28563019 >>28563050 >>28564653
>my country is doing cash for clunkers now in order to incentivize people to buy new cars and make the average car on the road more new
tell me yanks, how bad did this fuck up the used/classic car market in your cunt
just how dark are the times ahead
Anonymous No.28558345 [Report] >>28562545
>>28558337 (OP)
Democratic Party strategists told me Obama and DNC leadership never, ever did anything wrong and any information to the contrary is a Russian Psyop.... oh wait Democrats lied about that and are criminally liable now? uhhhhhhhhhhhhh.................... orange man is le bad!!!!
Anonymous No.28558378 [Report] >>28558533 >>28562545 >>28563553
>>28558337 (OP)
Complete and utter destruction. A fucking shit box that would have been a $1000 car is now 5k. Good luck finding parts for anything, since the junkyards and recyclers will be gone. Plus the increasing surveillance and cuckery that comes with buying a new car makes your local politicians boner rock hard.
Anonymous No.28558387 [Report] >>28558533 >>28562545
>>28558337 (OP)
>tell me yanks, how bad did this fuck up the used/classic car market in your cunt
Forced to buy a nanny car, and any that survive the destruction end up doubling in price.
Good time to buy a low-mile older car and keep it maintained for a few years.
Anonymous No.28558393 [Report] >>28558533
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8Fad9yJN_o
Anonymous No.28558459 [Report] >>28558533 >>28558683 >>28558825 >>28560162 >>28562518 >>28562777 >>28562959 >>28563145
>>28558337 (OP)
>tell me yanks, how bad did this fuck up the used/classic car market in your cunt
people like to pretend it did a lot more damage than it actually did. Top 10 cars were:
>1995-2003 Ford Explorer/Mercury Mountaineer: 46,676
>1996-2000 Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth minivans: 23,998
>1993-1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee: 20,844
>1992-1997 Ford F-150: 20,222
>1984-2001 Jeep Cherokee: 18,329
>1988-2002 GM C/K pickup: 17,202
>1995-2005 Chevrolet Blazer: 15,668
>1999-2003 Ford Windstar: 12,157
>1991-1994 Ford Explorer: 11,612
>1994-2001 Dodge Ram 1500: 8,103

a vast majority of the trash people brought in were suvs and econo shitboxes no one would give two shits about even today.
You did have some decent causalities like some absolute brainlets brought in an m3 e30 and an m5 e34, probably about 500 e30s/e36s total, 1 fucking moron brought in an fd rx7, and about 300 FCs, 3 dickheads crushed sl500s, about 100 each z31s and z32s, 1 guy that would probably kill himself if he saw today's prices crushed a mk4 supra.
but for the most part, it didn't actually have a significant impact on cars people would want today.
Anonymous No.28558475 [Report] >>28558533
>>28558337 (OP)
Eipä oo eka kerta ku tää romutuspalkkio oli oleellinen.
It's not going to help one bit, except take out perfectly serviceable shitboxes from nettiauto, no one here can afford a new car anyway.
Anonymous No.28558526 [Report] >>28558533
>>28558337 (OP)
Vastahan mun autokin on 91v vanha. Kyllä se vielä menee.
Anonymous No.28558533 [Report] >>28558578 >>28562545
>>28558378
>>28558387
>>28558393
>>28558459
God fucking dammit, I just hate fine, working cars being trashed for no reason, even if they are old shitboxes, it's such a waste
>>28558475
>>28558526
Perkele kun just tuskailin sitä että näin romuttamolla V6-moottorilla varustetun pösön ja mietin vaan että kuka vitun daiju heittää tämmösen tänne kun moottori kuulemma toimii ja ei ole ruostetta missään, sisustakin mintissä. Romuttamo ei suostunut ees myymään sitä minulle mistään hinnasta.
Anonymous No.28558578 [Report]
>>28558533
>Romuttamo ei suostunut ees myymään sitä minulle mistään hinnasta.
Olin joskus ettiis deeäks korollahan keinuvipuja kun pääs murtumahan, likillä olevassa romuttamos oli samanlaanen rolla.
Soittelin sinne et kuule myittekö nuota keinuvipuja
>Joo ei me kato oikeen irrotella tuommoisia yksittäis osia
No vittu myikää koko kansi sitten, voin vaikka itte tulla irroottamaan
>Ei me oikein pureta näitä autoja katos
No mitä vittua autoPURKAAMO
Helvetti mitä sit tehdään
>Joo voidaan myydä sulle koko auto
No ihan sama saapaha lokarit, kaasarin jne, paljo
>1500e ":D"

Löin luurit, kiipesin yöllä aidan yli akkumopon kanssa ja varastin sen koko kannen, haistakoot vittu.
Anonymous No.28558585 [Report] >>28558807 >>28562518 >>28562545
>how bad did this fuck up the used/classic car market in your cunt
It was the equivalent of the holocaust but for cars
So in other words it was insignificant and didnt really amount to much damage, but people keep talking on and on about it for no reason
Anonymous No.28558683 [Report] >>28558800
>>28558459

>1992-1997 Ford F-150: 20,222
>1988-2002 GM C/K pickup: 17,202
>1995-2005 Chevrolet Blazer: 15,668

That's damage. Those were great years for pickup trucks.
Anonymous No.28558720 [Report]
>how bad did this fuck things up
Get ready to spend $10k on a 15 year old base model car with 70,000 miles on it, But atleast you're saving the planet from green house gases!
Anonymous No.28558800 [Report]
>>28558683
you realize ford and chevy make between like a million pickups every year, right? losing 20k isn't even .05% of what was on the road. So no, that was not a significant figure in any way, and they're still extremely readily available today.
also a chevy blazer isn't a pickup.
Anonymous No.28558807 [Report] >>28562545
>>28558585
>So in other words it was insignificant and didnt really amount to much damage, but people keep talking on and on about it for no reason
kek
insanely accurate. it only lasted for like 2 months and a vast majority of cars turned in were in fact clunkers with little value. You had a small handful of nice cars that should never have been crushed, but for the most part it didn't actually do anywhere near as much damage as people pretend.
Anonymous No.28558825 [Report] >>28560115 >>28564044
>>28558459
>a vast majority of the trash people brought in were suvs and econo shitboxes no one would give two shits about even today.

Most of that trash was stuff that had major engine/trans problems It was a giant $5k push pull or drag sale. 95-03 Explorers? All ticking with the SOHC v6 that needs engine out timing service. 95-05 Blazers? 4.3 Dexcool gasket munching piles. Chysler Minivans? Slipping transmissions on the verge of death. Other than a few outliers, nothing of value was lost.
Anonymous No.28559988 [Report] >>28559991 >>28562530
>>28558337 (OP)
1,200 dollar cars are jumping up to 5 and 8k.
Anonymous No.28559991 [Report]
>>28559988
>triple double
It must be right.
Anonymous No.28559996 [Report] >>28560151
>>28558337 (OP)
>tell me yanks, how bad did this fuck up the used/classic car market in your cunt
I haven't seen a 1st or 2nd gen ford explorer since c4c.
Anonymous No.28560115 [Report]
>>28558825
Yes, and people could have bought these cars for more than what the government was offering but they didnt ... because they were legitimate shitboxes that no one wanted
Anonymous No.28560147 [Report]
>>28558337 (OP)
Unironically dont sell your 1994 lancer 1.6
Anonymous No.28560151 [Report]
>>28559996
Thank God for that
Anonymous No.28560162 [Report] >>28562512 >>28562947
>>28558459
The primary issue is supply and demand. By destroying that much supply the normies and poorfags who just wants a to b now have effectively nothing to buy, so they compete for what's left which raises prices on shitboxes. Now the normie doesn't want to buy an expensive shitbox so they buy a used decent car. Which raises prices on the decent used market. Now the decent people are wondering why buy a decent used car when for 5k more they can just get new. Which raises prices of new cars.

It's a vicious cycle.
Anonymous No.28562484 [Report]
>>28558337 (OP)
rip in peace fren
Anonymous No.28562502 [Report]
my absolutely fucked cavalier didnt qualify despite being a clunker because it did not meet some arbitrary MPG cutoff.
Anonymous No.28562512 [Report] >>28562519
>>28560162
>By destroying that much supply
dude it was like 70k cars, most of which were fucking trash. It didn't actually have a substantial impact at all. there at millions of cars on the 2nd hand market, those that were destroyed were a fraction of a drop in a bucket
Anonymous No.28562518 [Report] >>28562522 >>28562532 >>28562533
>>28558585
>>28558459
why does everyone only focus on the numbers of cars and which ones and not the actual market effects.

1. Low desire rating cars that could have been used by highschoolers or college students got destroyed.
2. People went up market and got into loans they can't afford - this started the 74 month lease autism
3. Large market dealers had 'market adjustments' on prices to try to gouge customers now flocking there to getting a new car
4. The government did not have the money up front and many dealerships that were small mom and pop shops went broke and further fucked the market once the funds ran dry
5. Used market went hyperinflated as people who were late to the party or caught in the aftermath bought out the rest
I saw this shit first hand, the 10 year old 2000$ buick lesabre type cars that were perfect for people just started to drive (they were everywhere and nobody cared and nothing of value was lost if crashed) all jumped to $5-7k
As a highschooler looking for a car around that time and afterward that sucked ass.
Anonymous No.28562519 [Report]
>>28562512
700k*
Anonymous No.28562522 [Report]
>>28562518
>1. Low desire rating cars that could have been used by highschoolers or college students got destroyed.
don't care
>2. People went up market and got into loans they can't afford - this started the 74 month lease autism
don't care
>3. Large market dealers had 'market adjustments' on prices to try to gouge customers now flocking there to getting a new car
don't care
>4. The government did not have the money up front and many dealerships that were small mom and pop shops went broke and further fucked the market once the funds ran dry
don't care
>5. Used market went hyperinflated as people who were late to the party or caught in the aftermath bought out the rest
fake news
>I saw this shit first hand, the 10 year old 2000$ buick lesabre type cars that were perfect for people just started to drive (they were everywhere and nobody cared and nothing of value was lost if crashed) all jumped to $5-7k
fake news
>As a highschooler looking for a car around that time and afterward that sucked ass.
sucks for you, but don't care.
Anonymous No.28562530 [Report]
>>28559988
>Im about to sell a used car
Hell yeah.
Anonymous No.28562532 [Report] >>28562535
>>28562518
Adding to this, the upmarket faggotry the surviving dealers participated in combined with the bailouts of the failing auto industry had further rammifications
New car sales figures:
2007 - 16 million
2009 - 10.3 million

Now 2011-12 rolls around and the used market of off lease cars which many people seek as they are effectively new but already took a depreciation hit and are still broke as fuck because of the 2008 recession period have NOTHING TO FUCKING BUY. Middle class scooped up all the 00-08 models as the idea of owning a car from last century made it seem older. The mentality was that the resale value would hold higher if the year ended in 0 and not a 9, leaving poors and new drivers like me at the time with NOTHING TO FUCKNG BUY as well.

It was not just C4C but it did not help and is part of a bigger problem with how mismanaged both the economy and in particular the big three were and still are.
Anonymous No.28562533 [Report] >>28562537
>>28562518
>1. Low desire rating cars that could have been used by highschoolers or college students got destroyed.

no they didn't, it primarily targeted early SUVs which no student could ever afford to fuel or maintain, old fuel efficient cars from the '70s and '80s were not eligible. Most american sedans got over 18 mpg combined easily. The only ones that didn't were heavy luxury cars.
>2. People went up market and got into loans they can't afford - this started the 74 month lease autism
wrong
you seem to be confusing leases and loans

>3. Large market dealers had 'market adjustments' on prices to try to gouge customers now flocking there to getting a new car
true but irrelevant because the incentive bonus was less than 5 grand

>4. The government did not have the money up front and many dealerships that were small mom and pop shops went broke and further fucked the market once the funds ran dry
this is AI generated made up nonsense that literally never happened
as a dealer you weren't obligated in any way to participate in the CARS program


>5. Used market went hyperinflated as people who were late to the party or caught in the aftermath bought out the rest
true but only because smart people who know how cars work took advantage of retarded schizophrenics like you


do NOT look up what happend to the cars that were """""disabled""""" and """"scrapped""""" (shipped to mexico and the middle east)

>I saw this shit first hand, the 10 year old 2000$ buick lesabre type cars that were perfect for people just started to drive (they were everywhere and nobody cared and nothing of value was lost if crashed) all jumped to $5-7k

WRONG
holy shit lmao those cars were 2 grand for a decade afterwards, you couldn't give them away to a junkyard half the time
the prices only started to rise within the past 10 years as people got nostalgic for the era
Anonymous No.28562535 [Report]
>>28562532
>The mentality was that the resale value would hold higher if the year ended in 0 and not a 9

what absolute retardation is this
nobody thinks this
shut up kid you weren't even alive in 2008
Anonymous No.28562537 [Report] >>28562543
>>28562533
it really is the car holocaust, a bunch of stupid shit people blow out of proportion and whine about endlessly
I entered the car market in 2012, which according to anon, I should have gotten a dildo rammed up my asshole and had to pay 10k for a beat up 500k mile civic
in actuality every 80s-90s "enthusiast" shitbox (miatas, mr2s, silvias, Zs, civics, fcs, fox bodies, catfish, etc etc) were all like 2-3k for good examples all day long. I paid $3000 for a 99 miata with 50k miles
my brother who got a lesabre in 2010 paid $2000 for it
Anonymous No.28562543 [Report] >>28562545
>>28562537
as i remember it the big price jump was at the very bottom end of the market, like the $500 used car basically became extinct and $2000 became the new baseline
it's not wrong to say c4c affected the used car market but to claim it was like the end of days and we're still feeling the ripple effects now is idiotic.
car sales went down because the cars fucking sucked dick lol, everything american made '99 to like 2011 was an ugly melty FWD automatic blob with weird post-millenium organic shapes, silver painted plastic and clinical beige interiors, with very few exceptions.
Anonymous No.28562545 [Report] >>28562557 >>28562600
>>28558345
>>28558378
>>28558387
>>28558533
>>28558585
>>28558807
>>28562543
I'm so proud of this community

However we should mention how many illegal immigrants have since come into the country, creating huge demand for cheap cars
Anonymous No.28562557 [Report]
>>28562545
Good point, I didn't think about that.
Anonymous No.28562600 [Report]
>>28562545
spics are still buying trailblazers and explorers in droves, the market they're affecting isn't enthusiast cars
Anonymous No.28562777 [Report] >>28562960 >>28563276
>>28558459
Not everyone is a diehard car enthusiats who needs le quirky cool cars some people just need to get from A to B cheaply and those cars provided that
Anonymous No.28562782 [Report] >>28562961 >>28563609
>>28558337 (OP)
Not too much really,most of the cars were,as the name implies,CLUNKERS which would have been gone in the next 5 years anyways also it helped people buy new cars back then which are now cheap used cars
Anonymous No.28562947 [Report]
>>28560162
Yeah except that didn’t happen at all. Car prices never went up until Covid.
Anonymous No.28562954 [Report]
>>28558337 (OP)
Which cunt?
Anonymous No.28562959 [Report]
>>28558459
>Cash for clunking an M3 or 5
Unironically based beyond belief.
Anonymous No.28562960 [Report]
>>28562777
Go back to /n/ faggot.
Anonymous No.28562961 [Report]
>>28562782
To a boomer a clunker is anything with a fouled up MAFS tripping the check engine light.
Anonymous No.28563019 [Report]
>>28558337 (OP)
Well it sucked and some portion of good used vehicles did die but the majority were rusty explorers and the like
We did recover from the ratchet effect but only because 00's cars were still pretty good. Now we have illegals which fucked the market even worse.
You will be even more fucked because the new cars coming out are non-maintainable. I can see a future in which the dealer won't offer support to reprogram the battery and so even a perfectly maintained car will have to be scrapped after 10-20 years.
Anonymous No.28563050 [Report]
>>28558337 (OP)
It fucked up the used car market for the cars that would normally be bought and raised prices on what was left. Enjoy price increases with your euro salary that is not anywhere comparable to the buying power of a yank
Anonymous No.28563145 [Report]
>>28558459
>46,676 explorers.
>over 8.4 MILLION have been sold.
So literally about 0.5%

C4C did basically nothing to the used car market.
Thats like "gee theres only 287of model X on marketplace, if C4C never happened there would have been 288 for sale within 50 miles of me"
Anonymous No.28563276 [Report] >>28563565
>>28562777
>Not everyone is a diehard car enthusiats who needs le quirky cool cars
why are you on this board then? if you just want an econo shitbox, we have a board specifically for people only interested in a-b travel. Cash for clunkers did nothing to the market people here should care about.
Anonymous No.28563553 [Report] >>28563684 >>28563690
>>28558378
Wouldnt parts increase as junkyards get the clunkers?
Anonymous No.28563565 [Report] >>28563589
>>28563276
We are talking about how this policy affected the car market in general what are you yapping on about and even then you don't need to have a super rare expensive unique sportscar to be a car entusiast
Anonymous No.28563589 [Report]
>>28563565
>We are talking about how this policy affected the car market in general
yes, and it didn't matter for cars people care about. It barely even affected the market period, the only cars that were really taken off the market (in a very, very small percentage) were shitbox worthless suvs and trucks. You could still find civics and accords and camrys and all the grocery getters, those weren't even elligible for the program (the program that lasted a whole 2 months). Hell you could even still find shit like explorers and trailblazers easily.
>even then you don't need to have a super rare expensive unique sportscar to be a car entusiast
no on ever claimed to the contrary, I have no idea why you're pretending someone said that.
Anonymous No.28563609 [Report]
>>28562782
>OH NO this car is 5 years old and is mint except it has a litlle chip on the windshield it's a heckin clunker i can't let the neighbours see me driving this.
That's the boomer mentality
Anonymous No.28563676 [Report]
>government about to destroy the market , tell me what it will do to prices?

That seems pretty easy enough for you to figure out yourself
Anonymous No.28563684 [Report]
>>28563553
No because a spic destroyed 5 parts to get that one thing they needed.
Anonymous No.28563690 [Report] >>28564634
>>28563553
cash for clunkers weren't put into junkyards to my recollection, they were just cubed. I remember someone complaining that the tahoe on the floor they were stripping parts from was in worse shape than the 10 that were exchanged
Anonymous No.28564044 [Report]
>>28558825
>95-03 Explorers? All ticking with the SOHC v6 that needs engine out timing service.
That was 1 of 3 optional engines.
Anonymous No.28564634 [Report] >>28564677
>>28563690
That's honestly the only bad part about it. It would have flooded the used parts market but they just threw the old cars in the trash, negating any and all environmental excuses for the program in the first place. Green is just a pathway of control for the jew.
Anonymous No.28564653 [Report]
>>28558337 (OP)
Not a burger but they did the same thing here some years ago (Portugal). It was shit, absolute shitboxes under 1k€ stopped existing altogether, and any basic functioning car, like a 20 year old Clio and such, goes for at least 3k€, and that's for private sellers.
But the worse thing they did is set the scrapped car's age threshold ridiculously low, it was 13 years, and in the program's current iteration they even lowered it to 10, though this time it's only eligible if you buy an electric, but still it means that you can send a 2015 car for scrap, even a perfectly functioning one, to get a discount on a new one.
Anonymous No.28564677 [Report] >>28564692 >>28564696 >>28564710
>>28564634
They don't want you to drive your old shitbox that still works, they literally want to rid the world of old cars due to emissions and force you to buy a brand new, environmentally friendly car.
That's the basic gist of it.

Cash for clunkers projects are used by the gubmint in an attempt to lower the average age of cars on the roads.
Anonymous No.28564692 [Report]
>>28564677
>due to emissions and force you to buy a brand new, environmentally friendly car.
Except the production of an environmentally friendly car is worse than driving am older cars hundreds of thousands of miles
Anonymous No.28564696 [Report]
>>28564677
Throwing away material is tantamount to wasting the energy used to produce it.
Anonymous No.28564710 [Report] >>28564719
>>28564677
It's to generate demand hence profits for carmakers you fucking idiot. Goddamn you retards are annoying with your stupid vague ideas of "control" when you're already the most obedient, debt-shackled people on the planet.
Anonymous No.28564719 [Report] >>28564727
>>28564710
I can't speak for the retard that bought the environmental lines about it but my ideas of control are not vague. I know exactly what's going on.
>Zero debt
>No credit
>Usury free
>Everything I want paid in cash
>Better off than most normies that actually have juden score to leverage.
Anonymous No.28564727 [Report] >>28564732
>>28564719
You're doing better than most. Cheers.
Anonymous No.28564732 [Report]
>>28564727