Thread 28567946

Why do engines act like they’re going to fucking explode if you don’t press it while braking to stand still?

>>28567946 (OP)
Because with a manual transmission you have a direct mechanical connection between the business end of the crankshaft and the contact patch of the tire, and you have an engine that's trying to spin 500-1000 RPM fighting a tire that's trying to spin 0. The tires and brakes will win.

>>28567946 (OP)
There's some good books about how cars work, I suggest you spend time reading them instead of generating ai trash

The real question is why Amerigolems are so retarded.

>>28567950
Why not just make the engine strong enough to overcome the brakes at idle?

>>28567950
Why don’t they just put that thing automatic cars have that makes everything go smooth and make it only activate when you go under 15 km/h where you usually drive on gear 1 so you don’t have to press the cuck pedal to fully stand still from gear fucking 1

Kill yourself

>>28567946 (OP)
Lol fuck automatics, nu-male, wrenchlet, ricer

>>28567961
ive always heard semi trucks can overpower the brakes.

>>28567962
jesus christ you're so fucking retarded

>>28568004
Riveting stuff, you've been at this for years

>>28567946 (OP)
Because there's a lot of poorfaggots out there who can't afford torque converters and associated hydraulics.

>>28568011
>cant explain why he has to press the cuck pedal at gear mother fucking one (1) without the engine threatening to explode
i accept your concession

>>28568017
>engine threatening to explode
what the fuck are you even trying to say?

>>28567962
It's really not a big deal. Are you driving an old car with a cable actuated clutch and weak legs? That's the only reason I can think of to complain about this. Centrifugal clutches do exist for motorcycles but you're not going to find one in a car because they slip too much.

>>28568017
Read >>28567950 again

>>28567946 (OP)
Kek another thread by someone seething that they can't drive stick

Torque converter automatic transmissions are over 100 years old yet europeans still act like it’s some mysterious untested new technology

DCT transmissions switch faster and more accurately than any human ever can, which is why they stopped shipping sportscars with manual gearshifters. 15 years ago manual was faster, which is why it was the sporty option for a long time. Not anymore.

CVTs are perfectly fine for commuters they just got a bad name because of a bad batch made by jetco, and boomers being mad because “it guddon feel diffrunt”, and now to appease literal retards carmakers are forced to give them fake gears, removing the entire point

The only upside to manual gearboxes is that they are cheaper to repair, even though normies will add a bunch of other extras that have the same downside without blinking, and yet those don’t even make you suck cock 1500 times per day, every single day for ten years, just in case when it breaks it will only costs you 300 euros to fix instead of 600. If you demand a manual shifter, you also shouldnt be allowed to order different paint, leather seats, air conditioning or a better soundsystem either - those cost money duh!

>>28567946 (OP)
I believe it was Cadillac who normalized that pedal positioning and h-pattern shifter

>>28568042
>yet europeans still act like it’s some mysterious untested new technology
They cost more and they used to consume a bit more fuel. And Yuros are all about self-restraining.

>>28568042
>fake gears
Have you heard about engine braking?

Manual is stupid. You mess up a shift once and your engine explodes.

>>28568067
skill issue

>>28568067
>what are synchros

>>28567962
>Why don’t they just put that thing...
That's what your left leg is for.

>>28568017
I can get rolling without even pressing the gas. No I will not explain.

>>28568136
The left leg is for braking

>>28568142
I use my left leg to press the gas harder

>>28568138
Many cars cannot do that

>>28568136
no reason they can't just fix that one small issue at gear 1

>>28568158
what issue is that?
>>28568148
literally every manual can do that

>>28568166
having to press the cuck pedal while driving at a snails pace at gear 1 if you want to brake to stand still

>>28568170
do you not understand how a manual transmission works?

>>28568178
I understand, I just don't care. They should science their way around forcing people to do that little humiliation ritual every single time they drive at gear 1, I'm fine with having to do it when driving in the other gears though

>>28568187
maybe buy an automatic, the concept of something as incredibly simple as a mechanical connection seems too confusing for you.

>>28568148
every FWD shitbox i've driven could do it
i don't try it on RWD because i like to hear the engine

>>28568166
No they can't. They have to have enough low end torque to not just stall.

>>28568197
if you slowly engage the clutch, every single car will do that.
my miata could do that
my mk1 golf could do that
neither of those make low end torque.

are you just dumping the clutch and praying for the best?

>>28568142
I know you don't drive an MR so that just leaves FF shit hatch.

>>28568187
what you're describing is something like a centrifugal clutch which only works in extremely low hp (<10) applications. It's also something that there's zero reason to "science your way around" because no one but low skill bitches care about something as benign as depressing their clutch pedal when they stop.
if you really care that much, just force the car into neutral without pressing the clutch when you come to a stop.

>>28568202
Based. I too had a Miata but mk2 gti

>>28568142
Irrelevant outside of racing where you're balancing gas and brake to control the car at the limit in a corner. Even then, plenty of racing drivers seem to be able to work three pedals just fine.

>>28568373
Anyone that has one foot for each of the pedals is going to end up in a store one day. Through the front wall.

>>28568409
>one foot for each of the pedals
my cock isn't big enough to reach the brake so I think I'm okay

>>28568409
Nah dude, you are straight up retarded. There's a reason the gas and brake are close to each other, their use typically doesn't overlap, therefore the right foot works both. If you can't figure this out, you shouldn't be on the road.

>>28568202
No retard

>>28568142
Learn to drive retard

>>28568412
You mis understand me. If your right foot is for go and your left foot is for stop then you you are a basket case. was more my intention.

>>28568419
my golf makes a blistering 80lbft @2500 rpm at the crank. what the fuck are you driving that makes less?

>>28568064
I'm not as big of a fake gears hater as OP, but I prefer the approach my hybrid uses which if you shift into "L" it is still a CVT but instead stays at ~4500 RPM instead of its normal target providing plenty of engine braking when off the gas and quicker response when on the accelerator. I think most CVTs would be better off with selectable fixed RPMs than selectable fixed gear ratios and the RPM would only be exceeded with a certain throttle threshold.

>>28568423
So you should have replied to the other anon instead of me.

>>28568437
I remember cheaper Toyotas with eCVT (hybrids) doing that, they have only B mode instead of the usual steps more expensive hybrids get. Can't vary the deceleration rate without steps, so you can't, for example, maintain your speed going downhill without turning that mode on and off, and that's the most common case.
>>28568422
I'm sorry to tell but in advanced (performance) driving schools they teach you to do exactly that.

Sick of this genre of autistic esl poster who is autistically mentally stuck on some stupid bullshit and neurotically fixates on it, seemingly incapable of interfacing with anything anyone else says.

>>28568128
Go from 6th to 1st for me at peak revs

>>28568504
Oddly my car will let you select reverse at any speed.
Not telling because you'll all want to try it.

>>28568504
so you've just never driven a manual before?

>>28567946 (OP)
from what I can tell, your issue seems to be with first gear, so I have a solution. skip it. when you take off, start in second gear and just rev harder. when you need to stop, just put the car from second into neutral. problem solved, you bitch boy no-pussy-getting non white faggot.

>>28568016
automatic is a no cost option. you have to pay extra for manual, poorfag.

>>28568409
I left foot braked daily for 20 years. Never once confused the pedals.

>>28568539
Do you have a right foot?

>>28568537
No for poorfags it isn't. Don't act like a retard.

>>28568488
That is an interesting angle. My car has a separate button for going downhill. I have used it with and without L and with or without cruise control and while I have been satisfied my area honestly isn't mountainous enough for me to have an informed opinion.

>>28568042
I love my DCT.

>>28568042
/thread

>>28568042
manual r fun
shrimple as

>>28568529
>Money shifting won't explode your engine
Sure buddy

>>28568702
The point is moreso that it requires a lot of effort on the driver's part to actually fuck that up. You'd have to be revving really high, and just completely have a stroke halfway through moving the shifter. If you're even 25% in control of your body, you'd never money shift. But clearly you're too dumb to even accomplish a single gear change, so just stick with your CVT little baby

>>28568702
This is something only someone that's never driven a manual would worry about because it's basically impossible to do unintentionally.

>>28568202
https://youtu.be/UdTSRBJrw7Y?t=79

>>28568580
That's probably hill descent control or something like that, it's for going down steep inclines (as in off road steep not road grade steep) really slow if you don't know how to use the low range or how to brake.

>>28569183
If you can't get a car rolling without the gas, you're a shit driver.
Idle rpm with no gas at all is enough to creep forward.
You probably also have a lot of trouble driving manual in traffic, huh? You don't know you can literally just not touch a single pedal and your car will move without stalling

I always find manual threads to be bewildering. I've always had a stick for nearly 25 years now yet I'm still seeing new complaints or fundamental misunderstandings of how they work.

And sometimes its just complaints of the most trivial shit. I used to drive a manual Toyota Pickup as a final mile delivery driver in San Francisco but I see people compain their leg gets tired in regular city driving.

Basically every car made since the 60s has synchros in them so unless you're driving something really old or worn-out you don't need to double clutch or get the speeds to perfectly match.

>>28567962
Because 1st gear is still engaged and the engine is trying to overcome a massive power disadvantage trying to spin the tires. In an automatic there is enough slip in the torque converter that it effectively disengages.

>>28568504
Most modern manuals have gates that lock out lower gears when at high speed. If I'm cruising at any speed below 50 I can actually shift to 1st

>>28569225
my only gripe with manual is that when i'm old my knee will probably be too fucked to push the clutch in :(

>>28569218
While this is true in my v8, I found some of the older ~1.5l cars you had to give it some gas.

how easy is it to swap a manual into a modern car with no manual option?
lets just assume a hole for the stick isn't the issue

>>28569264
Extremely difficult

>>28569270
the engine itself has to be re-machined?
you can't just bolt the replacement tranny on like with auto swaps?

>>28569272
You can barely even change lightbulbs in a modern cars
Just buy an old car instead of buying a 30k one and turning it into a 6k totaled one

>>28569264
>>28569272
if the engine had never ever been paired up with a manual ever...
>you'd need to find a suitable gearbox
>you'd need to find a suitable bell housing or adapter plate (any custom made plate is gonna be $$$$$)
>you'd need a custom flywheel ($$$)
then you'd need to decide how the clutch will be actuated
>do you want a concentric slave cylinder?
>do you want an external slave cylinder? hope your bell housing has a spot to mount that (hope you got a clutch fork too)
>can you fab up a clutch pedal and its mounting bracket?
>can you figure out where to put the pivot hole so it has the right amount of travel for the master cylinder you use?
>or do you want a cable operated clutch? no hydraulics but gonna be harder to actuate
probably missing some stuff too. not gonna delve into any potential ECU flashing needed if it throws a hissy fit about not detecting the auto anymore.

>>28569272
>>28569282
oh and another thing. if the crankshaft wasn't machined to accept a pilot bearing, you'd need to machine that. or hope that you can find one off the shelf that fits in the hole, and also accepts the input shaft of your chosen gearbox

>>28569275
>>28569282
>>28569285
grim.
i'll try to keep my manuals alive until they take my licence away.

>>28568650
the only excuse left
autists need something to fidget with, it's fun to them

>>28569225
>In an automatic there is enough slip in the torque converter that it effectively disengages.
It's not exactly engaged unless you force it to or you're driving fast enough (tens of mph) and your transmission is recent enough (about two decades or newer).
Torque converter also multiplies torque coming from the stall which helps getting the car moving.

>>28568042
You drive a glorified go-kart. You will never be a real driver.

>>28569218
>If you can't get a car rolling without the gas, you're a shit driver.
Why would skill be involved? You lift the clutch to the bite point and the car either moves or it doesn't, if it doesn't you need to give it gas, that's all there's to it.

>>28569539
That's why you'd have to be pretty shit to not do it

>>28569533
What's wrong with go-karts, I wonder?

>>28569564
Or maybe, as several other people have already said, it isn't possible on petrol cars that don't have enough torque at low revs and no computer assist to give it gas for you.

>>28569733
Brother I've driven a Fiat with 26 whole horsepower and it still wasn't a problem. If you somehow live in an area made up of only hills, maybe you'd have a point

>>28569687
You never get a reply. Karts are the most dependent on driver skill over mechanical output. So talentless slugs cope and try to say it's somehow lesser

>>28568042
>DCT
Literally a manual transmission you gay retard. Two of them on one box with paddles to actuate the two clutches and gear sticks.

>>28569733
>it isn't possible on petrol cars that don't have enough torque at low revs and no computer assist to give it gas for you.
my golf amd miata had neither

>>28569436
but you don't even think about shifting in daily traffic after a while. it all just becomes second nature.

>>28569687
>>28569761
>t. literal children

>>28569964
Not an answer.

>>28569987
Not a real car

>>28569995
What is a real car?

>>28570017
One with a manual transmission, you wouldn't understand

>>28569761
maybe he's fat so his rentals are slow

>>28568042
Absolute truth nuke

>>28570020
So you're saying 98% of American drivers don't drive real cars? Isn't that childish?

>>28570183
>98% of American drivers don't drive real cars?
Yes
>Isn't that childish?
No

>>28570183
>So you're saying 98% of American drivers don't drive real cars?
yes, obviously.

>>28570183
>So you're saying 98% of American drivers don't drive real cars?
Have you seen the roads? Most people are driving fashion accessories

>>28568042
Is the noose for your suicide if the copium overdose doesn't take? See >>28568650
>>28568170
Having to hold the brake to stay stopped in a slush box annoys me more.
>>28568411
Sounds like a you problem. I thought whiskey dick was why drinking and driving caused crashes.
>>28570285
Concurred
>>28570664
Saying they're driving gem feels generous. Checking your texts while nudging the wheel when the LDW beeps until the i-sight system stops you in line at the next light is not my idea of driving.

>>28567946 (OP)
because when you drive a car, the engine is always spinning, but the wheels aren't always spinning. if the transmission is in gear and you try to stop the wheels without clutching, the brakes are trying to stop the engine too.
>but automatics
they have a specialized autonomous slippy thing instead a clutch you control

>>28570020
Is this a real car? It has six gears, a clutch lever, and a sequential shifter.

>>28567962
VW beetles had it. Its called an 'Autostick' basically a manual transmission with a torque converter and an accessory fluid pump , but IIRC it didn't have a torque converter clutch so always less efficient than a full automatic transmission.

>>28570836
Hongkongda had it, their autos were manual transmissions with a little baby clutch in place of the synchromesh, and clutch replaced with torque convertter

>>28570808
No, but it's still closer to being a real car than whatever this faggot shit is

>>28570706
>Having to hold the brake to stay stopped in a slush box annoys me more.
You have to do that in any car with any gearbox, retard. Even in neutral you have to hold the brake to stay stopped.

>>28567961
That would be dangerous causing more unintentional car motions, traffic accidents. Its important for your own and others safety that cars brakes overcome the engine.

>>28568042
Manual gear control will always be better for actual control. No automatic system can apply the additional logic that an experienced rider/driver can do. But that assumes you are actively controlling and using all aspects, in reality automatic is best because most people don't understand gearing, engine braking or really even basic physics

>>28571347
>Manual gear control
American manualfags don't need that, they feel special because they managed to learn (or they think so) how to operate the clutch pedal.

>>28567961
IS THAT A LITTLE BIT IF BRAKES I SMELL?
HOLD ON
>>28571265
That anon is referring to the video his picture is from, where some retarded boomer had the engine get stuck at like 2500RPM and cooked his brakes holding the car stopped in gear. They then rear end someone and completely destroy the car they've spent tens of thousands of dollars building.

>>28572055
>they've spent tens of thousands of dollars building
nowhere near tens of thousands of dollars
>23 years
>200,000 dollars
>2 marriages
all for nothing LOL

>>28571076
>Even in neutral you have to hold the brake to stay stopped.
Nigger what...

>>28568042
I fell for the manual meme because i didn't realize this.
While it doesnt take away from the experience, it literally does not add to the experience

>>28572511
if you're on a hill you definitely need to do this

>>28572552
No shit, that's not what anon said though
He claimed a car in neutral will still move under its own power

>>28572554
i don't think that's what he was saying

>>28572562
>Even in neutral you have to hold the brake to stay stopped.
My car is currently in neutral and it is staying stopped.

>>28572567
It will only stay stopped if you are not on an incline.

>>28572511
Check your tire pressure, wheel bearings and CV joints. Too much rolling resistance might indicate trouble with one of those, nigger.
>>28572554
>He claimed a car in neutral will still move under its own power
Where did I say that?

>>28568504
It its possible to prevent destruction even if you do this mistake once. Just immediately fully press the clutch pedal and then quickly shift back into higher gears, dont waste anytime by wondering about "what the fuck just happened?".

>>28572710
>umm actually, you have to put your foot on the brake even in neutral if you're on an incline!
Literally no one ever refuted that you absolute moron. What was the point of your post?

>>28573093
Learn to read and learn to drive, faggot.

>>28573473

>>28570706
>Having to hold the brake to stay stopped in a slush box annoys me more.
>>28571076
>You have to do that [hold the brake to stay stopped] in any car with any gearbox, retard. Even in neutral you have to hold the brake to stay stopped

Go ahead you stupid motherfucker, elaborate how this makes sense.

>>28567946 (OP)
People in the past were hella less educated on average.

>>28567961
I think the best part is the lap belt being buckled doing absolutely nothing

>>28573527
If your car is in good working condition (I told you to check the drivetrain), even a really small incline can make it moving. Fucking wind can move your car. So in order to stay stopped in neutral (or with clutch disengaged) you are going to apply your brakes, because you can't provision for all these things. Didn't they teach you this in driving school?

>>28574234
Holy busrider

>>28574241
You must be. I refuse to believe even flatlanders are that stupid.

>>28573790
yet the average "man" today wouldn't know how to change his own flat tyre and in the past cars came with instructions for how to adjust your valve clearances.

>>28570183
>so you’re saying the sky is blue?

>>28570808
Extremely cool

>>28568504
A) I only have 5 gears
B) it's IMPOSSIBLE to mistake 5th and 1st. 3rd, maybe, but not 1st LMAO.

>>28573790
Retarded post
>>28574387
Boomers say this to pat themselves on the back, yet they themselves were the start of America becoming a sue-happy society requiring disclaimers on everything. Also, cars today don't really need their valves to be adjusted, either through the use of hydraulic lifters or just improvements in lubrication and metallurgy.

>>28574863
Boomers are scape goats for the retards who played nice with the USSR during WWII. American social ills were a fully metastasized cancer by 1970, when the youngest boomers were only ten years old. Litigious, increasingly isolated, with a the gates thrown up to the third world. They made plenty of mistakes with what they were given by the so called silent generation deserves the lions share of the hate.

>>28567962
Autotragic behavior is vile and uncanny to a man. Engine rotations are turned into - may allah forgive me for uttering these words - fluid pressure.

>>28574958
But what is the cause of these rotations in the first place? By the will of Allah, of course.

>>28569964
So you're incapable of answering then?
Seems like your talent begins and ends at "stamp right foot to make broom broombs"

>>28570808
Legitimately more impressive than a base model bmw

>>28575373
I was more anons could get a chance to drive/race shifter karts. Cars are still cool because the open road is free, but a shifter kart driven on-pace is better than (anything less than great) sex.

>>28574872
Yeah, boomers are socially acceptable to bash, but the poeple who devalued your currency, bought up all property and opened the gates for immigration are untouchable

>>28567962
so an autoclutch
its a thing and its shit