Thread 28569198

>we are going to destroy our whole brand and sabotage our existing cars by investing zero money in actually redesigning their engines, platforms, suspensions, interiors, technology etc.

Instead, all we will sell you is electric cars that nobody wants.

Are manufacturers suicidal? Who is putting them up to this? It's bizarre to me how most mainstream cars are barely hybridized (the Camry has fucking nickel hydride batteries) but manufacturers will release a sea of ultra-heavy, ultra-expensive electric cars with the same practical 200-250 mi range. Am I taking crazy pills?

>>28569198 (OP)
It's much more profitable to sell a few expensive cars with decent profit margins than large numbers of cheap cars. The latter was a viable strategy as well ofc, but it isn't anymore. This happened for a few reasons, safety and emissions regs for example. And everyone this side of a millionaire is going to be priced out of a lot of things very soon, so demand for cheap new cars is shrinking anyways

>>28569198 (OP)
EVs help 'enthusiast' brands comply with fleet co2 emissions.

>>28569201
They aren't gonna be cheap anyways but you are gonna sell WAY more gas powered vehicles than anything "electric" and I get that this brand is one of those Middle Eastern Chinese owned fake brands that has money to burn - but legacy manufacturers are doing it to.
>safety and emissions regs for example
don't at all mandate that you cannot have a gas powered vehicle if ANYTHING this should motivate more mild and self charging hybrids - especially among normie cars and suvs and trucks.

Deep improvements are something of a double edged sword because most people don't care and just want screenslop. It also doesn't work well for brands that don't have the money to spend on a total refresh of everything.
One car that comes to mind is the Jaguar XE. Under the skin, it was far and away the most advanced chassis of any car in its class. Double wishbones at the front and a very well-sorted multilink setup at the back meant it had exceptional ride quality while also being very playful and sharp. It mogged the 3 Series for handling and was more comfortable than the Guilia.
Problem was that they ran out of money/time to do anything else. The sueprcharged V6 was okay but the ingenium 4 cylinders were fucking terrible and they never fitted a 6 cylinder diesel, which up until around 2019/2020 was cruicial to compete in the exec saloon market against the 330d/335d and A4 3.0 TDI that dominated that segment.

>>28569208
>most people don't care
absolutely wildly untrue if you look as sales figures substantial updates and new platforms almost always result in significant sales increases - look at the new Chebby Equinox - the interior is finally close to competitive and I bet the sales are up for it - though the engine is still kinda trash and below par.
>One car that comes to mind is the Jaguar XE
probably too small and fiddly electronics that go boom
Jaguar is an idea that could work if they cared.

>>28569210
Slapping some new leather in a piece of shit crossover isn't deeply improving it, we're talking real R&D here

>>28569198 (OP)
Depending on who you ask, cars peaked 20 to 70 years ago. The only thing left to do as a car company is to keep yourself alive while the currency endlessly devalues itself which usually involves either sucking up to investors via jewish schemes or sucking up to/bribing the government for bailouts.

>>28569206
>don't at all mandate that you cannot have a gas powered vehicle
They do, via fleet emission restrictions. Companies HAVE to sell EVs to offset a smaller amount of gas or hybrid cars. Or a much smaller amount of performance cars
I know the US effectively got rid of the rule but that was just a few weeks ago. Probably won't have an impact on the market for another year or two

>>28569198 (OP)
>lotusmeya.jpg
BRUH
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On gods THOUGH who cares; lotuses have always been gay as fuck pikachu bullshits LOL

>>28569448
cars could peak again if they re-embraced colors, interesting fabrics and designs for the interior, and a return to buttonslop
but I do not understand this "sorry, all we make is off road EVs now!" mindset

>>28569198 (OP)
>Who is putting them up to this?
The chinese

>>28569523
but even the non chinese brands are doing this - new "acura rsx ev" WHY WHY WHY
they badly need to update the RSX gas powered

>>28569472

drives cheap shitbox . sees someone in lotus . oh lotus is gay . maximum level cope

>>28569472
u stoopid

>>28569534
LOL my fuckin full size family SEDAN is fsster and more luxurious than that faggoty piece of shit.
>>28569547
USGPMT+

>>28569553
>USGPMT+
Is this one of those new fag acronyms or something?

>>28569198 (OP)
>Who is putting them up to this?
Increasing emissions requirements in line with the UN's "Sustainable Development" goals. They were hoping to push most manufacturers to go 100% EV by 2030, which many were and have been doing, but one by one they've all been backing down on those plans because, in the end, people vote with their wallet and just aren't buying them.
Literally the only exceptions are cucked out European countries like Norway, which shills will regurgitate "They're almost at 100% EV adoption!" without mentioning that Norway literally outlawed sales of new ICE cars. Whether it's Porsche, Alfa Romeo, Audi, Dodge, Mercedes or a load of other brands, there's examples of all of them either cancelling their next-gen EVs or announcing ICE replacements for the EVs that they released (to lukewarm reception).

>>28569561
You know it

>>28569574
Do people not understand that mining and producing lithium batteries is polluting?
I feel like whoever owns the lithium mines is mind-controlling the automakers.

>>28569198 (OP)
I'm convinced it was all market and stock manipulation to suck every drop of life out of it and run

>>28569561
Ignore the nigger and lurk more.

>>28569588
>I feel like whoever owns the lithium mines is mind-controlling the automakers
You're almost there, keep going

>>28569517
They need to embrace the EV roadster. That alone would solve much of the battery question, since a smaller/lighter car would need fewer battery cells, meaning:
>lower charge time
>cheaper charging
>cheaper battery
>reduced explosive danger
>less road wear
>no concerns over parking garage collapse
The current EV SUV paradigm is pure cancer and is the worst possible use of both EV and general automotive technology

>>28569588
>Do people not understand that mining and producing lithium batteries is polluting?
Current thinks in the same way Boomer thought back in their day
It's some other gen's problem, we'll fix it later
Hydrogen is the better alternative but retards hate it because they think that unlike their homes and cars the electricity to produce hydrogen is only made using coal burning power plants

>>28569759
>embrace the EV roadster
People won't buy it due to
>current SUV paradigm
And it will also not help, an EV is going to be a HEAVY BOY no matter how small.
Roadsters are supposed to be fun to drive and be able to handle like a dream. EV's are never going to turn because heavy.
Marketers thought that all the "advanced car owner" wants is 0-60 because everything everyone ever talks about is horsepower, torque and going fast. But apparently going straight is not fun after a couple times and what people really value is a combination of fast and handling.
So average joe will not buy an EV roadster because you can't stuff your dog in it and it has not enough cupholders, and anyone who wants a fun car will also not buy a fast EV because it doesn't turn and just goes fast in a straight line.

>>28569198 (OP)
>Instead, all we will sell you is electric cars that nobody wants.
Are you sure nobody wants electric cars? They are all over the place where I live. It's like every 4th or 5th car on the road is a Tesla.

>>28569897
and where do you live?

>>28569759
>They need to embrace the EV roadster.
I mean, in the sense that EVs make sense as toys for the rich yeah - but like you cannot make a car as low weight with an EV powertrain as a gas one.

>>28569897
they make sense as in town cars for rich people but like as standard transportation it makes zero sense to ask people to buy something that is on average 10k more expensive, 1000 lbs heavier, and takes 10-30x as long to refuel/charge

>>28569526
Yes, they're also affected by the chinese, directly or indirectly, every car manufacturer thought they'd make shitloads of cash on the chinese market and didn't have a plan B in case the chinese started buying their own cars instead of theirs

>>28569553

judging buy picture its 1996 v8 model . So tell me have many car in 1996 would do 0-100 in 4 seconds ?
And if owner upgraded its gearbox and restored its engine back to original specs Esprit v8 is fast even by 2025 standards .
Car NPC please just shut up and go cope somewhere else .

>>28570672
Acura isnt even sold in China what are u on about?

>>28569983
Socal, the only place that matters for automotive culture

if chevy didnt sell hordes of 1.2t 3cyl shitboxes they wouldnt be able to manufacture the corvette
Its about the net emissions of the company.

>>28573087
LMAOOOOOOO

>>28573091
Where's Ferrari's gimped little faggotmobile? Where's Koenigsegg's? Mclaren's?

>>28569198 (OP)
You're not taking crazy pills, the human world is rapidly eating itself alive.

>>28570938
If it's so fast why was he going so fucking slow in the passing lane like a little pussy?
Nocar NPC in the parlance of our times just shut up and go cope somewhere else

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>>28573106
The truth is rather funny

>>28569588
almost as if pollution isn't any real concern behind these globalist agendas

>>28573381
it is but china and india are fucking everyone over a thousand times more than the first world
push any greenhead down their reasoning tree far enough and it always leads to culling the population, but theyll never say who should go

>>28569759
>a smaller/lighter car would need fewer battery cells
Nope. I've been brainstorming a heavy electric cruiser bike once (think big fat 300 kg Harley but instead of being mostly decorative it's mostly batteries), and my calculations came to a conclusion that range increases almost linearly with battery capacity and barely changes with the weight of the rest of the vehicle. No matter if the chassis weighs 150 kg or 1250 kg, 250 kg of batteries will drive you about the same 150 km either way (more now with better batteries than a decade ago but still).

>>28569198 (OP)
>Am I taking crazy pills?
Yes.
Lotus have been bleeding money for decades and nobody bought their sports cars. Might as well try something new by rebadging some cheap chink shit and selling it at premium

>>28573111
Low production manufacturers abide by different rules.

>>28573091
name a single company that ever suffered because they didn't meet net emissions

>>28575685
Lotus isn't among them?

>>28572030
Which is why I said directly or indirectly, Acura wasn't sold on China, but Honda was