Thread 28569273

Why are convertibles dying?

>>28569273 (OP)
Loss of rigidity when the roof is removed.

Try tearing a closed and taped cardboard box , then open the same box and tear it . (If you want proof)

>>28569280
this, look at any car that offers a convertible and hardtop version and the convertible version weighs a minimum of 200pounds (often more) extra because that extra weight is needed to add the rigidity/crash safety that is lost by having the roof come down.

Also two door cars are generally on the decline

People are only interested in buying wealth-signifying oversized road tanks filled with cheap annoying tech that allows them to text and drive. The thought of actually enjoying driving is a foreign concept now.

The only reason to get a convertible is because it lets you feel the wind in your hair and sun on your face from time to time. Unfortunately, this niche is much better filled by a motorcycle that costs a third to a fourth as much as even the cheapest convertible.
Every other aspect of a convertible is garbage compared to a coupe.

>>28569273 (OP)
Because nobody wants to deal with the "two gay guys in a convertible" stereotype

>>28569290
>wind in your hair and sun on your face
>better filled by a motorcycle
How do you do this in a helmet?

>>28569302
:)

>>28569273 (OP)
People have less money to play with overall, so they usually just own 1 car. They have been tricked into thinking they need an uber "practical" SUV or crossover instead of enjoying life.

>>28569302
flip the visor up?

It's a triple whammy of
>less disposable income
>lower trust society
>fewer cool convertibles on offer
No one wants to spend what little they might have on a toy, let alone one with a ragtop prone to being slashed open by thieves. No one wants to ride around all vulnerable with their top down while living in clown world. Plus most convertibles now look gay and compromised. I mean look at the cars in the OP. They're all for 60 year old white women except the Miata and the Boxster. Solution: unjew the economy, deport hostile foreigners, make cool looking verts again

>>28569335
People are “spending” (via jew leases and finance) more money on cars than ever. But they are spending it on crossover slop. Convertibles have been devoured along with everything else which isn’t a raised plastic egg on wheels.

>>28569280
>Hi Bob, I'm in the market for a daily A to B vehicle, you know to - to get to work and back.
>Sure thing Frank. We just got in this lovely new convertible...wanna see it?.
>No thanks Bob, not rigid enough for me.

>>28569280
>>28569283
>Hey Bob. I'm in the market for a daily A to B vehicle, you know - to get to work and back.
>Sure thing Frank. We just got in this lovely new convertible...wanna see it?.
>No thanks Bob, not rigid enough for me.

>>28569284
It's the opposite in the gay area
Only npcs in the parlance of our times drive cuvs, evs, or any of that faggot shit

>>28569361
This makes convertibles worse on corners and heavier than the same cars with roofs.

Unfortunately you can feel it.

>>28569361
Convertibles are not really practical for commuters unless they live in a climate where they can comfortably have the top down two thirds of the year or they have money and garage space for a Summer car.

>>28569409
Do you really think Bob will feel it in his daily work commute? so much so that it is the main reason Bob wouldn't buy a convertible?

>>28569415
Retarded false dichotomy
People mostly don't buy convertibles as commuters. Mostly

>>28569414
Agreed. A much more valid take than rigidity.

>>28569409
Well specifically on the F-Type the convertible barely weighs more, 20 pounds if I recall correctly. As for cornering, it depends on the type of car. For something like the Audi or Merc, who gives a shit? It's for cruising, not racing.

>>28569416
I am responding to the guy which claims convertibles are dying due to loss of rigidity. My question stands, is rigidity the main reason Bob isn't buying the convertible?

>>28569273 (OP)
Everything on that list except the Miata got more expensive or less readily available. Everything except the Miata lost sales. The Miata grew - for every 20 they sold in 2023, they sold 21 in 2024. The problem isn't desirability

>>28569415
You actually do feel it in normal driving, a lot of convertibles suffer from scuttle shake on bad road surfaces.
It's not so bad on more expensive models like the SL but on cheaper drop tops like the 4 Series and SLK it's noticeable.

>>28569419
Lack of rigidity is one of the reasons I wouldn't buy a convertible sports car. Them being ugly and for girls is why I wouldn't get one as a grand tourer except the R129 as it only comes as a convertible
They're just mostly gay as fuck. Mostly
E46 convertibles do look good THOUGH (except for those tacky headlights)

>>28569419
maybe not the main reason but its part of it. You get a convertible because you want a sporty car but something like a 3 series or supra is more practical and better suited as your only car.

Even in a two car household you might have a SUV for the roastie and a sports sedan for the dude, if you can afford to have 4 or 5 cars then maybe a convertible is more reasonable

I like the idea of a Mustang drop top a lot, but the convertible looks so much worse with the roof up than the fastback. I live in da yookay as well so I'd need the roof up most of the time.

>>28569424
This mustached fridge looks good to you bro?

>>28569419
My takeaway is that convertibles are not practical enough for commuters, not rigid enough for enthusiasts, and not as exciting as a motorcycle.
They're niche cars for niche roads and weather conditions.

>>28569273 (OP)
There’s been this weird shift in public perception that only SUVs or CUVs are practical enough for most people
It used to be they people understood that pretty much any vehicle was good enough for the day to day, and on those rare days you needed it you could ask your cousin or neighbor to borrow his truck or van or what have you, and they would lend it to you.

>>28569431
They're useful if you're driving with a girl and don't want to have a conversation about random bs

>>28569437
Fair, but the motorcycle does that better and cheaper.

>>28569414
This is a good example of what I mean, >>28569434
I drove a convertible exclusively from 2019 to 2022 in New Jersey. In the winter, you leave the top up, on those rare fifty degree days you can drop it and enjoy the crisp air. There is nothing impractical about it whatsoever. In my personal experience with heated seats you could comfortably have the top down to the mid thirties, just blast the heat and wear some thin gloves.
People also think “ah I’m a bigger guy I won’t fit” but I know from experience this is untrue also. I found my Miata comfortable at 5’10 and 280lb - I used to be quite large - and my FIL would often borrow the car as well, 6’1” and a bit portly as well

Convertibles were never really that popular save for that period around the early 00s. They're extremely impractical and cost more to maintain thanks to the foldable roof, and driving with your roof down is something most people will only do twice and then never again except when showing the car to other people.

Where's the corvette? It'd be #2 on the list if you just count HTC and number one by far if you counted the targa too.

My dad had a convertible Saab, then bought a minivan when he had kids and kept the Saab in the garage while we were growing up with the exception of a few summer days with clear skies. He passed it down to my older brother when he turned 16, who proceeded to use it as a daily driver. Things seemed fine until it rained while he was driving and the entire car got soaked. Turned out the waterproofing and gaskets for the roof had gotten old. Replacing all that would have cost more than the car itself so we pawned it off to a friend and got a sports coupe.
tl;dr convertible tops are a pain in the ass to repair/maintain and total the car if you mess up

>>28569428
>mustached
You're thinking of the pre-lci E90 by the GODS is that shit ugly

>>28569273 (OP)
Everything is dying. The market is like 75% pickup trucks and shitty "suv" appliance vehicles and it keeps getting worse as manufacturers axe more and more models that aren't that.

>>28569273 (OP)
>Why are convertibles dying?
I'd assume it's because crossovers, SUVs, and trucks have gotten more popular. I can't imagine getting a convertible because driving without a roof is only fun once or twice as a novelty.

>>28569335
Go back to /pol/

>>28569364
>>28569366
Brownoid with brown friends

>>28569421
They need to introduce an ultimate trim of the miata with their inline 6

>>28569335
Stay here and avoid /pol/

>>28569470
Kek and everyone gets mad at me when I complain about the commoditzation of EVERYTHING as they continue to buy their gay bullshit simply because it's new and new === better, right?!?

>>28569473
>it’s only fun once or twice
Can’t imagine how dead a soul must be to feel this way

>>28569484
convertibles just suck to drive

>>28569490
>t.

>>28569500
abcd t. Rex

>>28569305
> People have less money to play with overall, so they usually just own 1 car. They have been tricked into thinking they need an uber "practical" SUV or crossover instead of enjoying life.
Hard to enjoy life when you dont have money

>>28569477
>280hp i6 Miata
that's close to what FCA wanted to do with the fiata, badge it as Alfa Romeo and give it about 300hp. I think they planned to use the gme t4 there, but I'd happily trade some weight for that, the Miata is so light anyway

>>28569512
*Harder, but still possible. It's in the little things. I don't have a ton of money personally, but driving a convertible is something that brings a smile to my face. That's not something I'd have if I'd chosen to buy a boring ass crossover for the same amount of money

>>28569280
at least 99% of all drivers are not performance enthusiasts and don't care about that. Compared to the convertible heyday of the 90s and 00s, I think the reason is more like:
>less disposable income compared to back then
>almost all vehicles sold are CUVs, not cars. convertibles are based on cars, so fewer cars means fewer convertibles
>people are less interested in open-air experience and instead prefer the quiet air-conditioned interior that disconnects them from the world around them
not too surprising considering most vehicles are purchased as practical commuter cuckboxes, and who wants to drive a convertible in heavy traffic?

>>28569536
more rigid body = more comfy driving/riding experience
it's half the reason why every single commuter car nowadays is unibody

>>28569283
>look at any car that offers a convertible and hardtop version and the convertible version weighs a minimum of 200pounds (often more) extra
I'm being a sperg here but models that are designed to be roadsters but have a hardtop variant do not apply since there's no need to "take away" reinforcement when a roof is added after the fact. this is why a 987, 981, or 718 Boxster is so close to the same weight of its Cayman counterpart that the transmission choice matters more in weight difference than whether or not there's a roof on top
>>28569284
culpability is shared 50:50 here because there's a feedback loop between consumers being dumb as fuck and manufacturers (and their dealers) doing whatever it takes to meet what they see as consumer demands. people buy what's available, and makers make what they think the people want
>>28569443
the concept of practicality is malleable, and it keeps getting more extreme. Already, the most "practical" car for most people is the biggest, most self-driving couch they can afford and anything else is ridiculous and childish to even consider
>>28569335
>too scared to even drive a convertible, blames it on everyone else in society
weak

>>28569479
How does that disprove what I said? You can see another shitskin in the reflection.

>>28569513
The top iteration of their I6 is something like 330hp in the cx-90, right? They could sell the miata with that drivetrain for 45k-50k all day. Nothing else can compete with that.

>>28569473
>>28569481
>brings completely valid points up
>"go back to /pol/"
I wonder who could be behind these posts.

>>28569618
I told him to stay here. We need more anons redbulled on the JQ and LGs.

>>28569620
Ah yes, you are right. Caffeine addiction is bad, folks.

>>28569611
I'm not sure if that 330hp is from the engine or hybrid unit. It would be trivial to slap a boost controller on and get to 330 even if it was officially 280

>>28569273 (OP)
Because it gives you all the perceived drawbacks of a coupe but even worse. The convertible mechanics impede rear seat room, destroy trunk space, add weight, and add new things that require maintenance whether that be the rag tops or hydraulics for complex hardtop roof mechanisms.
When people only can afford one "new" car it's more likely to be an all-purpose vehicle like a cuckover rather than something perceived as incredibly impractical. It's why coupes, not just convertibles are dying, too, with the only exception being for higher end luxury cars and exotics.
People are also pansies coddled by their 70 degree climate control. It was raining reasonably heavily when I saw what seems to be Hunter S Thompson pulling along side of me a few days ago, for instance. Literally 100% of the other cars on the road were all riding with the windows closed and AC on (yeah, myself included).

>>28569633
>rear seat room
Rear seats on convertible coupes are pretty shit, last exception was the azure. Too bad there are no convertible sedans

>>28569627
Looks like the hybrid I4 gets 323hp, the base I6 turbo gets 280hp, and the top trim gets 340hp and 369 lb ft of torque. Even if the drop top Miata weighed 2,800lbs with that full fat motor, it would be a goddamn rocket.

>>28569273 (OP)
>More expensive
>Higher maintenance
>Heavier
>Insurance charges more
>Less sporty
>More likely to be messed with
>Less comfy
>More noisy
>More dangerous
These are all inherent to the design

>>28569290
Honestly a good sunroof fills most of that need

>>28569437
Just blast your TND music

>>28569477
Do you get a complimentary leg removal with purchase?

>>28569500
Ba nah nah na nah

>>28569335
This lad gets to the root cause.
He can stay.

>>28569654
Try something made in the past 15 years? Whole thread is asking why convertibles are dying, posting ancient history doesn't help

>>28569273 (OP)
not as many bald men since covid

>>28569273 (OP)
Lack of disposable income, costs of cars overall going up, and a culture that is shifting to enjoy driving less and less. These are toys, not practical cars for commuting and carrying the kids and groceries.

>>28569735
2011 was not 15 years ago, mathlet

>>28569778
https://www.cars101.com/subaru/impreza/sti_convertible.html
>conversion
it's not even a model, it's some hack job from a local dealer for a MY2011 car that was sold in 2010
like saying the challenge convertible was a dodge product

>>28569618
>reason convertiblesare less popular now just happens to be all of anon's favorite seethe points from /pol/. He probably brings up the same reasons for why snowboarding has lost popularity relative to skiing or any other trend

In europe you do see a lot of convertibles and most of them are diesel, so I guess practicality isn't a real issue. Diesel is cheaper, car sounds like shit but it just drives like any other car.
It's important to remind you that most people are boring and they want boring cars, hence everywhere you go you see bloated suvs from korea and retarded trucks for normal (obese) americans.
And lets not forget that with the crazy weather and climate change (yes nigger) it's either too hot and humid to drive with the top down or too rainy/cold. Very few days it's actual pleasant to drive with the sun on you, or at night in the city.

>>28569273 (OP)
NEVER buy a 4 seater convertible

>>28569290
Driving a vert at night during the summer is actually quite comfy.
I can also not wear a hat and not worry about people seeing my bald spot

>>28569996
What about a 6 seater convertible?

>>28569778
I can't believe that 2008 was five years ago

>>28570000
They're great for taking salutes in.

>>28569284
This, these "people" don't want to actually drive.

>>28569284
>The thought of actually enjoying driving is a foreign concept now.
>convertibles
This is how I know you're some weekend warrior or a bus rider. Nothing about a convertible is fun to daily. It's a cool gimmick at first but then you realize all the negatives. It's not even enjoyable in summer, you basically have to have very mild weather for it to be worth it and even then it has drawbacks.
In summer you'll get sunburn on your scalp, and you will be boiling alive (especially in slow traffic).
>b-b-but just drive fast it'll keep you cool from the air!
Yeah and you'll blow out your hearing over time, if you have any length of hair it'll be a tangled mess by the end of the trip unless you put it in a pony tail.
>j-just put the roof up
Oh what a genius idea, may as well get a proper sedan at that point for less money. Not to mention the retractable roofs are almost always a weak point on them and over time leaks or requires extra maint.
Not to mention if you got a cloth roof have fun when someone eventually designs to cut it or it gets caught on something at high speed.

Then there's the issue of the chassis itself like >>28569280 mentioned.

Outside of mild seasons or night time there's just no fucking point, and regardless you will go deaf over time.

>>28570359
What a pile of bullshit. You're a city faggot or even worse, a w*man.

>>28569306
What about people still having hair on their heads in other places besides the face?

>>28569335
>ragtop prone to being slashed open by thieves
>No one wants to ride around all vulnerable with their top down
What shithole do you live in?

>>28570359
>weekend warrior
You say that like it's a bad thing. Driving for leisure should be the goal.

>>28569816
>yuropeon
>brings up global worming
Like clockwork.
But that's totally understandable, I mean, it's really hard to convince yourself to pay various taxes and fees based entirely on how much tree food (same stuff you breathe out btw) your car is estimated to produce. Or to buy 1.1 liter 3 cylinder cuckboxes because 6 and 8 cylinder engines are taxed ridiculously much higher. At least those moneys are going to help the government do something with the climate, right?

>>28570409
USA, where niggers will still your miata hardtop (sawed off) to sell on fb marketplace.

>>28570441
>ESL

>>28569996
Bullshit, four seaters are great and they are the comfiest:
>space to throw your cabin stuff to with the ability to access it on the move
>space to recline your seat and watch the night sky
>space for the bigger stuff not fitting in the trunk
>space to seat your friends to give them a lift
Some even have folding rear seats and trunk hatches.
The only negative is four seaters don't have roll bars, and some tracks require them for 'verts, or the rear seat in some might not be big enough for people.

>>28570433
(s)he is a city dweller forced to commute in heavy traffic, and the said commute is probably the only reason for them to drive a car.

>>28569305
>>28569434
There's an obvious solution to this problem: make more CUV/SUV convertibles. There have been like 3.5 of them total.

>>28569273 (OP)
Miatas are for faggot ass trannies

Damn, brehs. I've been dailying a convertible since 2016 and never had a problem but now I find out that's horribly impractical and shit. Oh, well. I guess I'll go get a crossover or whatever. Imagine how much more practicality I could've experienced all this time. It's like my life has been wasted.

Panoramic sunroofs do the same thing but cheaper and they don't compromise structural rigidity. They also don't have as many failure points. The graph in OP is meaningless unless you show sales of cars with panoramic sunroofs besides it. You'll see the trend.

>>28569273 (OP)
cause boomers thought convertibles were a good idea lol on a long term investment

>>28569273 (OP)
imagine thinking youre getting a deal on a car with no roof
>instead of a roof we have this fancy plastic cloth leather thing that you pull up when it rains

>>28570546
>Panoramic sunroofs do the same thing
They don't.
Even targa tops don't if you turn your head while driving. There's no feeling of openness around you, no understanding the headrest is the only thing behind your back above belt line.

>>28570409
How about you tell us where you live so we can explain how you don't have any meaningful experience with the shitskins

Even if you've read the statistics, there's nothing like experiencing it first hand. The longer I live in a Multicultural Society the more racist I get.

>>28570591
So it's a shitskin problem, not convertible problem?
And sorry for not telling, we're literally full, hope you understand.

>>28569273 (OP)
Because every single convertible is made for old people, so they're expensive, heavy, and full of old people features. The Miata is the sole exception that proves the rule

>>28569273 (OP)
Because everyone other than Porsche and Mercedes makes their convertibles look like bathtubs

>>28570546
They do the same thing if you consider looking out the window of your apartment comparable to taking a walk in the park.

>>28570546
Panoramic sunroofs suck, is just a heavy piece of glass that makes the interior of the car overbearingly hot, if you're gonna compromise just take a picture of the sky and glue it on the roof of your car

>>28569273 (OP)
Jeeps seem to be doing alright. Where are they on your chart?

I don't really see the use case of it personally. If it's too hot, I'd rather have the top closed and AC on. So 60-70 is the sweet spot? Plus I wash my own car and it's easier to clean with a pressure washer. I'm open to getting a Targa though

>>28569273 (OP)
JFK got killed in one, that's really bad publicity.

>>28570501
can you elaborate? Which part of the machine has something related to sexual deviation?

Can you explain without memes?

>>28570646
But they are "bathtubs" or "boats" by design.

>>28570691
NARC
(not a real convertible)

>>28570526
>it's practical enough for me specifically
>therefore it is objectively practical enough for the average person

>>28570646
Every single Porsche or Mercedes convertible looks like a bathtub, same with BMW. You are a ricer, you have no tools.

>>28570655
A better comparison would be looking out the front window of your house versus standing on your front porch outside.

Anyway I don't think I'll ever own a convertible because I am a land yacht guy and it's prohibitively expensive to get your hands on a convertible or motorized roof version of an old cadillac, for example, but I have ridden in a Miata or two with the top down and I actually really enjoyed it, so I wish more people would get to experience riding in a convertible and then maybe they would start selling more.

>>28569273 (OP)
Extremely dangerous cars with inadequate safety and low profile

Rain, sun and niggers.

>>28569273 (OP)
>Obesity
Fats need AC 24/7 on full blast. You were told to have a coke and a donut when stressed instead of a cig, you are a good boy who listened.
>Neuroticism
Your wife said it scares her, and you are a good boy who listens.
>Poorfagotry
You have to pay for boomers and their brown pets, and you are a good boy who will listen.

>>28570359
all those words just to be wrong

>>28569273 (OP)
Less disposable income (cars havent actually gotten that much more expensive) and 4 seat convertibles are fuggo as shit

>>28569273 (OP)
People think their opinions warrant heckling you at a stop light. See it all the time as I drive with the windows down frequently.

>>28571769
I only get complements for how it looks or sounds.
But I only know how to respond with an awkward grin and wave and "oh yeah.. uh, thanks." no car is ever going to get me pussy when I'm such an autistic retard

>>28570681
>>28570655
>>28570588
Go into a car with a panoramic sunroof, lower all windows and open the sunroof. You'll have 90% of what a convertible offers with 90% less maintenance concerns.

>>28569415
>Do you really think Bob will feel it in his daily work commute?
Probably, it's a pretty massive difference.

>>28571893
Go fuck a man, he has 90% of what woman has with 90% less maintenance concerns.

>>28569335
Its this, OP. People are trying hard to get away from public spaces because they're full of violent savages with brown skin. We think of the car as a rolling bit of private property, but its not private property if the roof and walls are no longer a permanent structure.

>>28571893
Go kill yourself, you'll get 90% of what your life offers with 100% less maintenance concerns

>>28571893
>Sunroof
Enjoy the leaks

>>28569302
only gaydick little pissie's where a halmet's

>>28571864
>no car is ever going to get me pussy
Yeah you don't have woken in the car that's probably why you don't get heckled. Meanwhile every spic and nigger thinks their one liner will have women jumping out of your car into theirs. Like I said it happens pretty frequently to me.

>>28571864
A miata is a pussy repellant if you didn't know, the only women who like it are old ladies that are reminded of better times when all cars were small and curvy.

>>28572886
Why do men even want a miata? When I look at one I think of a cute car for your wife

>>28572820
any decent sunroof already has drip channels built into them, if it's leaking into the car then the channels might be clogged

>>28572887
Cute cars are funny parked next to your truck. I'm looking to get a Trabant to pair with my Raptor. The driveway pictures are going to be funny af.

>>28569335
>No one wants to ride around all vulnerable with their top down while living in clown world.
I just saw a video of some lady in her car in DC saying that, due to Trump bringing in the national guard, she can roll her windows down without being afraid of getting robbed.

So yeah, I think you're probably right.

>>28572887
The cute car is my wife.

>>28569273 (OP)
You would know why if you weren't twelve.

Convertibles are pointless. They age poorly, leak and tend to be left closed not opened.

Why do you care about new ones? Only the car YOU drive matters so get one you like and be happy. This board seems to be full of teentards bitching about what they do not personally own.

>>28573401
>They age poorly, leak and tend to be left closed not opened.
My hard top convertible is 14 years old, cheap and still have 0 roof or drivetrain troubles. God bless Fr*nch people.

>>28573418
The French brought the Pluriel to the world.
You can have the top open or closed or off with the rails in place or totally open. The problem is if you want take any of the bits off you have to find somewhere to store them. Oh, and while assembled it leaks.

>>28571110
Yes, if you're not doing the same things I'm doing you're retarded and should suffer for it

>>28571893
Take a picture of the sky and glue it on your roof, you'll have 20% of the experience with 0% of the maintenance

>>28572820
Any convertible will absolutely leak more

>>28569273 (OP)
Global warming. Now being outside during the summer is just suffering until you get skin cancer.

>>28573685
>>28571995
>>28572129
>salty bus riders that are too pussy to ride a bike and need their car's roof to leak more than their ass does
You fags know I'm right.

>>28569273 (OP)
They're more expensive and louder, and people have become less tolerant of noise as time goes on because decent cars are dead quiet. Also most of the world is only in convertible weather for part of the year and during the winter a convertible is harder to warm up. Also take a look at reviews/consumer reports for leaks on new convertibles, they're prone to it if the seals or factory fit is a little off.

>>28569415
Yes, actually. Google cowl shake or scuttle shake, it is a well known issue with convertibles and many, especially in the past, are so bad about it that even normies notice it. Especially on substandard roads or speed bumps.

>>28575175
Stfu libtards. Summers are the same as always

>>28569816
retard

>>28569816
Diesel Cabrio sayed nobody but you.
Never ever did someone decide a diesel cabrio was the car for them.

>>28569335
pretty much this. The first thing I think about buying a convertible is how fast the top is going to be slashed by some junkie to steal pocket change.

>>28569273 (OP)
does this not cover hypercars?
there was liek 20k convertible godvettes sold in '24

Enthusiasts hate convertibles because whatever. Good. Please keep used convertibles cheap for me. The last thing I want is for people to start inflating them like old 911's.

>>28575279
Stop living in shitty neighborhoods.
I would rent a room in a nice neighborhood before living in a mansion in a shitty neighborhood

>>28575204
Why ride a bike when I can just dress up in a really expensive spandex clown suit that crushes my nuts and throw myself in front of a moving truck for 90% of the experience with 0% of the cost ownership of a bike?

Nobody can afford anything fun anymore. The dollar buys less and less every year, like 50% less in the last few years. So if you can only afford one car, you have to get some boring 4 wheel appliance that does everything you need and nothing you want.

>>28575222
Checked, but he's right, there's a lot of them in Europe accompanied with a usual debate if a diesel cabrio can be enjoyable. People usually argue they are cheaper this way (including insurance), so more utilitarian.

>>28569512
Instead of buying a 30k GMC shitbox people could settle for a 4runner and Miata for 1/2 the price and have more reliable, enjoyable vehicles

Convertibles aren't always roadsters, but roadsters are always convertibles.
Cars like the MX-5 and the Z4 are roadsters and have decent rigidity as they are made from the ground up to be open-top.
Convertible versions of coupes like a 4 series vert or a C-class vert are heavier and less rigid as they are made to be coupes/sedans first.

>>28576283
>roadsters are always convertibles
Wrong.

>>28576283
>Z4
3 series made roadster
>4 series vert or a C-class vert
Probably share the same amount of body parts with coupes/sedans as the Z4 with its sedan/wagon counterpart. You can't just cut the roof from a sedan and call it a convertible, you have to redesign everything between the windshield and the rear bumper for the convertible roof mechanism. Windshield frame itself, doors, seating, trunk. You're going to move a lot of structural stuff too because of that, so at that point it's the same as redesigning it.
>are heavier
No shit Sherlock, they are bigger and have two rows of seats

>>28569273 (OP)
I mean let's be honest.
Cars are dying.

>>28576630
I support you
roadsters are built from the ground up to be 2 door open top coupes
they can have tops that make them convertibles, but not necessarily
>>28576283
>Convertible versions of coupes like a 4 series vert or a C-class vert are heavier and less rigid as they are made to be coupes/sedans first.
also true, these are convertibles without being roadsters

that said, I don't think there have been any roadsters made any time soon
maybe a cobra replica? or some locost/lotus seven type thing?