Thread 28579144

Can a clutch be changed on the driveway from under the car?

I can buy this set for 108 euros but im not sure how difficult its gonna be to remove the tranny from under the car. My mechanic is too busy atm so im thinking about doing it myself

>>28579144 (OP)
Maybe so, but it won't be easy.

>>28579144 (OP)
What vehicle? Some are easy, some are a pain in the ass. If it's a longitudinal transmission for a rwd car it shouldn't be too bad, if it's an AWD transmission like a Subaru it will be a heavy son of a bitch but managable, and if it's a truck with a cast iron transfer case for 4x4 itd be a major pita.

Don't try AWD or big truck/4x4 trannys if you don't have a transmission jack. A smaller rwd transmission(sub 100 lbs) can be manhandled or done with a floor jack.

>>28579167
Unironically a 1994 lancer 1.6

Manual gearbox fwd

>>28579144 (OP)
>>28579221
I don't know about that specific car but i was able to change the clutch and flywheel on my honda pretty easily.
I just rolled the tranny out of the way and rested it on the subframe
It sucked because no room to work but the tranny didn't have to come out

If you have to ask, then no.

Sometimes it's easier to just pull the engine to change the clutch.
I can pull mine on the side of the road if need be.

>>28579225
Nice. How long did this soecial operation take you?

>>28579232
Cool car and sexy carb. I dont have a enginelift unfortunatly. Sounds like more work even.

>>28579233
About a week but i was only working a little a day because 2 cars
Could have done 2 days if i worked straight through

>>28579144 (OP)
no
in most cases (assuming fwd because euro buying a $100 clutch kit) the separation needed to access the clutch and pressure plate cant be achieved unless you actually take the trans out of the bay, or move it to the point where just taking it out is trivial. it requires work on top and below to get to a trans
I had to use an engine hoist and a jack to maneuver the trans out in my car. would have been impossible if you dont have a trans jack, multiple jacks and/or a hoist
like other anons im assuming you are entirely under equipped for such a job if you have to ask about it

>>28579152
>>28579225
Any things i should know before doing this?

I did the headgasket last year, how hard is it compared to that?

>>28579259
> assuming you are entirely under equipped for such a job if you have to ask about it

Dont assume, i just need the facts, i can judge if i have the equipment for that.

>>28579265
well the facts are going to be specific to your make and model. I dont know anything about 1.6l lancers
look at the trans and make an assessment of how much space you have
you will need maybe 2 or 3 inches of separation from the block for the input shaft to clear the clutch and flywheel
you may be able to get away with a jack. it may also be worth looking at an engine suspension bar and use a ratchet strap to help support it

>>28579144 (OP)
I've seen videos of guys doing that to FWD shitboxes with transverse layouts. I had to do it on my passat that has engine mounted longitudinally. Turned into a 2 day job with my dad- a garage pit was a must, 1 jackstand was not enough without workarounds, and one extra dude would have helped a lot to get the gearbox back in place.

Also consider whether your flywheel is in good shape if it's dual-mass, you wouldn't want to do the whole mess twice. Also you might need a special tool to center everything before putting the gearbox back on, unless you can make something yourself. But overall I would say fuck that shit and don't bother doing it yourself, time is more valuable than money, and the mechanic will do it much faster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0VqEpoJ-yU

>>28579144 (OP)
>Can a clutch be changed on the driveway from under the car?
If you're asking that no.

>>28579269
> engine suspension bar

Thats a good one. Im gonna try to find that. I understand you wouldnt know this specific car. Thanks for the tips thoughverbeit

>>28579270
Hmmm, ok. That sounds like trouble indeed since i dont have a pit or lift for the car

>>28579262
Less access so harder than head gasket
Getting the tranny seated on the dowels to bolt back up was a bitch too. I just had to manhandle it from below
Otherwise just torque every rotating part to spec and you'll be good

>>28579271
This is why i dont work the trades anymore;) negative nancys like you.

>>28579273
np m8 good luck

>>28579281
That and the salary was shit

>>28579238
>Steal a cheap winch
>Put on a tree branch
>Drive under the tree
Been there, done that.

>>28579144 (OP)
I was glad I could borrow a lift and had a couple mates that were willing to help on my Twingo. Wasn't that bad all things considered aside from a stubborn CV axle that didn't want to come out of the hub, a clutch cable that didn't want to be reconnected, and having to lower the subframe in order to wrangle the transmission out of the car, but that may not be necessary in a bigger car where you can rest it further off to the side.
Make sure your kit either comes with an alignment tool or you order one along with it.

>>28579299
yes!

>>28579309
Ah you had a lift, nice
Im gonna look for an alignment tool, thanks.

Was it the first time you did it?

>>28579280
Okok

>>28579329
Yeah, first time. I know someone with a lift who offered to let me use it, and if I got stuck anywhere I could just ask him.
In hindsight it may have actually been easier to remove the front clip and radiator, that way I could've probably left the subframe in place and gotten to most things from above instead of underneath. You could check if that's a viable option for your Lancer as well.

>>28579281
>negative nancys
No my man, yeah you can replace clutch on driveway but it's hard even if you know what you're doing plus pieces are heavy as fuck.

>>28579343
Allright dude, noted. All good

>>28579339
Im gonna check if removing the front is easyer

>>28579259
Bro I'm literally in the process of swapping my mk5's trans out.

>>28579343
I would say more annoying than hard as you'll be fighting limited acces with tranny in. The bigger your toolbox the easier it'll ve in that case.
You really don't need to know much more than righty tighty lefty loosey (except some transmission case bolts are reverse threaded LOL pic related)
Also in a fwd shitbox like that a trans case with no fluid probably doesn't weigh 80 lbs

>>28579329
>Im gonna look for an alignment tool
Take a broom handle to the old clutch plate bore BEFORE you disassemble the pressure plate from the flywheel.
Smack it in with a sledge.
There's your alignment tool

>>28579353
> Also in a fwd shitbox like that a trans case with no fluid probably doesn't weigh 80 lbs.

I hope!

> Take a broom handle to the old clutch plate bore BEFORE you disassemble the pressure plate from the flywheel.

This sounds smart, im gonna duckduckgo this

>>28579349
ok?

>>28579411
>I hope!
I think mine was only 65lbs but it has a magnesium case
It is pretty light. Can't image your mitsubeasty to weigh significantly more

>>28579259
You can drop the subframe to do it. In fact it's often necessary on something like a Civic. PITA but doable on jack stands

>>28579411
>>28579417
The one from my Twingo was about 30kg with the fluid drained. Doable on your own but having a pair of extra hands around definitely helps when pulling it out or hoisting it back into the car.

>>28579144 (OP)
People have been changing clutches in the driveway for most of automotive history, don't project your inability onto them.

>>28579411
>Take a broom handle to the old clutch plate bore BEFORE you disassemble the pressure plate from the flywheel.
Why?

>>28579221
yes you can do it in your driveway. its a 1.6 the trans is probably less than 100 pounds. you may need to remove the control arm to get it out. there is 1 video on youtube made by some indians doing it without a lift. almost every fwd car can be done in your driveway btw. dont listen to these wrenchlet doubters

>>28580970
adding to that. stick your bolts in cardboard and write down where it goes or make a diagram. same for all of the other parts that come off.

>>28580970
You give me hope in these antilancer times.

Allthoughverbeit u appreciate all replies. Realism is good

This is a pic from below

>>28580975
Good tip. With the headgasket job i did them all in different bags

>>28581122
>>28581125
>>28581128
Looks like you've got a fair bit of room to work with there. Pull the CVs and right hand fender liner, disconnect the clutch and shifter cables, remove the transmission mounts and you're most of the way there already. Gearbox can probably slide off to the right and tilt down out of the car without much trouble.

>>28581122
E-Z

>>28581135
Whats a cv?

This whole thing has to come off right?

>>28580873
Because there's either a pilot bearing or a bore in the crank for the transmission input shaft to sit in.
This way the broom handle will take the shape of the pilot and the splines to center the clutch plate better.

>>28580873
To use it as an alignment tool so that the friction disc is lined up with the pilot bearing when you go to stab the transmission in. Even if the friction disc/pilot bearing alignment is perfect you'll have a bit of a sticking point since you'll still have to line up the input shaft splines with the center hub splines in the friction disc. It isn't impossible of course but can be annoying sometimes as you learn what your car wants.

Also when it comes to seating the trans to the engine it needs to sit flat just by hand. No "drawing it in" with bolts or something. That just breaks shit.

>>28581309
>Because there's either a pilot bearing or a bore in the crank for the transmission input shaft to sit in.
I appreciate this
>This way the broom handle will take the shape of the pilot and the splines to center the clutch plate better.
I kinda doubt this. I usually use something like a socket extension to centre the plate before I tighten the housing. If I can get an eye line I'll line it up by eye.. I wouldn't think a broom handle would conform to the shape, but could be wrong.

What's worse/harder/nightmareish:
A: remove and replace clutch and everything to get at it
B: removing/disconnecting shifter without saying "my 65 Mustang"

>>28581294
>Whats a cv?
Constant velocity joint, found on both sides of the driveshafts. Probably should've said that instead.
The whole gearbox has to come off the engine block, so yes, the whole thing including where that cable goes in to actuate the clutch. Don't wanna accidentally undo the gearbox casing bolts instead of the bellhousing bolts.

>>28581335
Duidelijk. Thx

>>28581755
bottom left is the trans mount and it may also hold the engine up some. you will support the engine with a jack and wood

>>28581755
>>28581760
Thanks!

To the guy yesterday on pol asking if i was gonna do it.

Still on the planning yes, i have to get another car soon because this is gonna take me more then a weekend.

I have a feeling maybe some more things are worn out and i need to order extra shit.

Gotta get another shitbox.

>>28584407
im always watching my son

>wrenchlet thread

I swap clutches for fun.
My clutch was slipping when I put my turbo on and while I was waiting for a Heavy Duty to arrive I swapped in another stock clutch I had lying around just to see if it worked any better (it didn't). I do all my work on a patch of dirt btw.

>>28584690
OP is not a wrenchlet. He did his own headgasket. You can only learn by doing. You were once just like op too and so was I

>>28579167
>Subaru
Just pull the engine. It takes like 30 min and Yount even have to remove the hood or ac lines.

>>28584381
>I have a feeling maybe some more things are worn out and i need to order extra shit.
That's usually how it goes. You may want to grab a new set of engine+gearbox mounts if you're gonna be pulling most of them out anyway, for example.

>>28584668
Hahah

>>28584856
Thats a good one. Screenshotted.

>>28584690
Any tips for a first timer?

>>28584856
>>28585005
you need a throw out bearing too. I dont know your budget but the rear main seal is behind the flywheel. might as well change it while youre there.

>>28585191
Throwout bearing is usually included if you get a full clutch kit, but yeah, good to watch out for.

>>28585199
Throw out bearing looks included in the OP pic.

I bought this, centertool?

>>28585199
Depends on the car. For my car the clutch flywheel and throwout are all separate . OEM parts are like $2000. clutchmaster clutch and flywheel is $1500. then 150ish for the throwout. also need new transfluid.so probably closer to $1700

>>28585199
This one?

>>28585366
You drive a ferrari?

>>28585335
Yeah you need that. In most cases you just buy the size that you would need but having a full set is always good for future cars or helping others

>>28585375
Should be it.

>>28584850
>he wasn't disassembling his toy cars as a toddler
ngmi

>>28585008
throw it in the bin and buy a longitudinal Toyota

>>28585531
Im sorry your dad didnt work on real cars with you when you were a kid anon. That must have sucked having to larp like that.

>>28585377
It was made in the same factory or some shit like that.

>>28585375
yes. also inspect the clutch fork for damage. it would be obvious .

>>28585660
He certainly did and I would grab every dropped bolt with my grabber

>>28579144 (OP)
Ramps and a jack or two. Drop the drive shaft and the gearbox off. Fiddle fiddle, bobs your uncle.
Plan it out before you start taking bits off.

>>28579221
FWD OP.
No. Just book it in.
You can, but you will spend longer with it apart than you will wait for a workshop booking.

>>28585849
My mechanic is busy and all other mechanics in the world are scammers

>>28586300
My son you did the head gasket. This is going to be a challenge but its wont be that hard. Your difficulty is going to come in getting the trans back on .They never go on easy. You will have to wrestle it ,wiggle it, push it. It will go back on. You can prepare yourself by watching other clutch jobs on different FWD cars since there is only that pajeet video on youtube . even later model lancers are probably pretty close. Lift the car as high as possible on stands in a safe manner. Back up stands and wheels under the frame so if the car falls it lands on the rims is always a good idea. Your life is worth more than your wheels.

On a SAAB 900 Turbo, you don't even have to jack the car up to change the clutch. Nor do you have to disconnect the transmission.

>>28587426

Thank you for the encouragement
Sounds like a plan. I saw someone putting the tires under the car like you said, seems to be a smart idea.
Someone here said a thing to raise the engine would be nice, i saw one on amazon for about 60-70 euros. Like a crossbeam you put on the car with a chain that can hold the engine.

I gues im really gonna do it, now i gotta make sure i get the right clutch set and maybe 2 new engine mounts while im at it.

>>28587772
Fucken swedes always thinking ahead. Except for immigration

Saab 900 is a nice car too imo

>>28585676
Im not sure i can get a new clutchfork thsi car is from 94, unironically

Im looking at different clutch sets. This is the most expensive one for 140euros, it has a different thing on the picture than the other ones, anybody know what that is?

>>28587916
Forgot pic

>>28587917
And this one is 108 euro from the brand blue print.

It doesnt have the plastic thingy like the one posted above

>>28587919
Forgot pic

>>28579144 (OP)
Yea, you'll want a jack, a friend, and a couple cases of beverage. It's going to suck, they always do.

>>28587831
most cars have 3 mounts,dont forget the trans mount. all of them are worn due to its age. a cross beam that rests on the strut towers or with an engine crane is helpful if you have the money for it. Try searching for the fork by using the trans model instead of 94 lancer.also it wouldnt hurt to find a lancer forum. one of those guys have specific knowledge for your car

>>28587917
this one is for a hydraulic clutch, i assume yours is cable.

>>28588003
This specific model isnt really a big thing in the lancer world^^
The 1994 gsr turbo is ofcourse but not this one. I have a workshop manual.
It says i need a steering linkage puller?

Also the thing circled in red is what i saw on amazon for 70euros

>>28588096
a steering link puller usually just means a pickle fork or ball joint separator. ive had good luck partially threading the castle nut on and hammering it to get the link out without damaging the threads

>>28588007
It looks like the F5M22

>>28588007
>>28588157
AI search tells me its hydraulic
I have to check some more sources

>>28588137
Ok ill see if i can do it like that

>>28588168
might be handy to have a bolt on hand thats the same pitch because its possible to gum up the bolt face a bit, and then it might just spin the joint when you try to tighten it. that said its a good way to save $10-20 lol

>>28579144 (OP)
pretty sure you can find your shitbox on this guy's channel, its all he does

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az6hlIZNPNg

>>28588264
This dude is fast, im watching now

>>28588264
Ok hes using luk clutches, im gonna order that one too.

Clutchset ordered. Also gear oil and some engine mounts. Shits on

>>28588264
I checked williams for anons car and didnt see it but do watch his videos. I almost wanted to start doing mobile clutches/mechanic watching this guy. we dont have many manuals in usa though and working on cars sucks when you have people that need the work done yesterday

>>28588827
He hasnt posted videos doing a mitsubishi it seems. But the jist is the same i guess.

>>28588160
I'm pretty sure that's a cable visible in >>28581122

>>28590081
But isnt this a hydrolic clutch resevoir?

>>28590096
If there's a reservoir then yeah it's hydraulic, carry on

>>28590101
Maybe the japs made it redundand, cable AND hydrolic, for clutchbragging rights

>>28590096
anon you need to figure this out 100% what if that master cylinder only feeds the brakes. confirm a hydrualic line going from master to trans. it would suck to order the wrong clutch kit

>>28591081
adding to that if you have 2 masters or 2 place tp put brake fluid then its a hydraulic clutch but also some cars share the master between the clutch and trans. confirm line to trans

>>28591083
clutch and brakes *

>>28591081
This one is for the brakes, its a different resevoir.

I will check if the hydrolic line goes to the trans tonight