Thread 28579777

Cars that were too good for the manufacturers that made them. these aren't cars that are "bad" per se, but either failed to meet their intended potential or failed where they were meant to be successful.

Race cars that failed to win
Concepts that failed to be produced despite being promising
Regular production cars meant to capture a certain segment of the market but didn't.

designed by the industry's favorite boomer, Gordon Murray, and made by Mclaren/Mercedes. everything good about this car came from Mclaren. everything bad was Mercedes insisting it had to be a luxury GT car to fit the brand image. sales were way below Mercedes' expectation, and Mclaren would never work with them on another project.

>>28579829
Apparently the SLR is super consistent speed wise.
Those race car rental companies say the SLR will do 200mph pretty much every time.

VAG decided to crank up the brand confusion and make an upmarket luxury VW that nobody took seriously except the Chinese.

>>28579777 (OP)
Fwd in lmp1 was mistake.

The car made its racing debut at the 2015 24 Hours of Le Mans. 3 cars were entered for the race by Nissan Motorsports, numbered 21, 22 and 23. The cars qualified in the last 3 places of the LMP1 class with times over 20 seconds slower than the pole position time set by the No. 18 Porsche 919 Hybrid.

The No. 21 car was even out-qualified by the fastest LMP2 car.

>>28580046
Dieselgate killed the Pheaton, Artheon, Passat CC, and the Passat sedan; aka the staple of European driving segment for 50 years.

>>28580672
yea, its almost like the cars weren't ready and hindered their performance. FWD isn't what made them slow. nissan is.

>>28580672
Because it ran without the hybrid system.
>>28581131
And that wasn't even Nissan's fault, the supplier for that hybrid system screwed them over. Everything Nissan in that car worked out perfectly.

>>28581131
>>28581137
>be nissan
>haven't raced in endurance for 15 years
>decide to enter one of the most difficult racing series in the world
>make said decision during the most one-sided era of the sport when VAG is competing against itself for shits and giggles
>incomprehensibly decide to put your chips on a completely unprecedented meme design based on some loophole in the rules
>spend more on marketing than actually building the car when your competitors are spending F1-tier budget
>build enough hype that execs insist on racing a half finished car
>car is unsurprisingly absolute dogshit
>immediately shitcan the whole project and pretend it never happened
>muh suppliers
I know it's tempting to root for the underdog with endless "what-ifs" but it's objectively one of the worst race cars ever dreamt up. That it came from a major manufacturer like Nissan makes it even more laughable
It was a shit idea, the project was managed like crap, and the (half) finished product was an unredeemable turd. No amount of coping or Gran Turismo games will change that

>>28581137
The No. 21 car retired from the race after 115 laps with a suspension failure, while the No. 23 car retired on lap 234 with gearbox issues. The No. 22 car finished the race, but was not classified as it failed to complete 70 percent of the race winning car's race distance.

>>28581229
Well, about as perfectly as enduracne gets, shit happens. I can bet that the gearbox failure was due to them having to push the petrol engine harder without the hybrid, and the finishing car didn't have the pace because, again, no hybrid. If they persisted with the program, they might've actually got it going the next year.
Multiple racing sims not affiliated with each other have a what-if full power version of it implemented, and in every one of them it seems to be competitive enough with its contemporaries, even if slightly wack to drive.

>>28581193
No one thought Hybrid shit was viable in motorsports, especially when Panoz tried and failed to do it. but we know now that the technology has had a chance to bake and be fully utilize that it works, and is better than non-hybrid systems.

>>28581277
>Multiple racing sims not affiliated with each other have a what-if full power version of it implemented, and in every one of them it seems to be competitive enough with its contemporaries, even if slightly wack to drive.
i drove it for a season in rf2, think it was the URD version which has standard 4wd and a more f1/vag-like hybrid system instead of the fwd meme shit nissan did irl

even with a normal LMP engine andr drivetrain it has awkward balance and drives strangely compared to the other cars, more like a gt3. there is clearly a reason most prototypes are MR, when you are up against other people the shovey, front-heavy nature of the nismo lm starts to show and it's just not competitive without a lot of tweaking.

>>28581295
>No one thought Hybrid shit was viable in motorsports
anon they literally had rules to explicitly encourage hybrid
we have the hindsight, they didn't

>>28581317
>rf2
Stopped reading there.

>>28581345
real life is a slightly modded gmotor2 engine game
prove me wrong

>>28581295
>Panoz
>hybrid

>>28581295
>No one thought Hybrid shit was viable in motorsports
And yet Audi, Porsche and Toyota had already been using it since the previous season

Is hybrid shit even viable in motorsports today?
In F1 it is mandatory, and caused the most dominant era in the sport, with Merc pretty much untouchable for 3 seasons straight, and also cost so much that the smaller teams were effectively relegated to a second tier series
Lower formula series have never added any hybrid system
In endurance it might be useful because of fuel economy, but there are so much regs on energy deployment and usage (even before BoP) that it's pointless to try to compare fairly. One could argue it killed LMP1 by being making the cars so expensive
It's been a huge nothingburger in Indycar, and has just made the cars handle worse (although not using a 13 year old chassis with an aquarium strapped to the top might help)
WRC dropped it because it literally made the cars slower and was too expensive
TCR World Tour keeps delaying it, and BTCC dropped it in favor of synthetic fuels
There has been literally zero interest in adding hybrid to GT3

>>28581558
>F1
Forgot to mention that pre-2014, KERS was largely a meme that barely any teams used before F1 increased the minimum weight of the cars to compensate for it