Thread 28581663

to anons who live in HOA's; how restrictive are they on you working on your car?

I think I live in a HOA area, but am not quite sure.
I do whatever I want on my yard, no one has said anything about it yet.
The only complaint I've gotten thus far is when I drove past this one house that is a kindergarten of sorts and my car lost spark nearby. Got my car running somewhat and drove it back to my yard, the old hags came to my yard to complain that I was bothering the kids or some shit, I told them that it's a public road that I am allowed to use, but my yard is private property that they came to uninvited, that's trespassing.

>>28581663 (OP)
I can do everything I want to in my garage but don't even change an air filter in your driveway.

>>28581663 (OP)
Why cuck yourself and buy in a HOA? Are there literally zero other options where you live? "No HOA" was always checked when I was searching on zillow.

>>28581663 (OP)
I would never willingly live in an hoa.

Some people tried to form an HOA at my rural lake village town, and the opinion of HOAs being so negative, they were overwhelmingly told to fuck off. The interested parties instead formed a homeowners "co-op" with zero actual power, but they instead organize free labor for 'troubled' properties. Removing dead trees or cleaning up brush. They approached me about my 3 acre lot with waist high grass offering to help me "get it under control" and i politely told them it i was growing it to cut for hay in the summer, as I've done every year for the past decade since I bought the lot. They said oh ok and haven't bothered me since.

They're nice and helpful because they have no leverage, but I'm sure if they wielded any legal authority at all they'd be little tyrants about it.

>>28581663 (OP)
they don't really care.
my HOA is mostly to keep browns out. browns like the ones in this thread who would make their front yard look like shit because they're lazy hoarding fucks and ruin property values or play their shit polka music until 2 am.
my HOA enforces noise ordinances and doesn't let immigrants tour houses that go up for sale in our development. that's well worth the price for me.

>>28581871
>defending hoas
I'm whiter than you could ever hope to be and would probably live under a bridge before living in an hoa. If you're lucky enough to have one that barely enforces the rules that's one thing, but most are just run by power hungry no life faggots that will literally go house to house with a ruler measuring your grass to see if it's a 1/2 too long so they can write you up.
fuck hoas and fuck you

>>28581901
Brown hands typed this post.

>>28581903
I'm 6 feet tall, blonde hair and blue eyes, and white as printer paper.
you're not going to convince anyone that hoas aren't for the biggest faggots on the planet.
I think even literal cock sucking faggots are less gay than people that support hoas.

>>28581663 (OP)
Not too bad, where are you looking? Desantis recently cucked a lot of things that HOA would get people for. Kind of necessary since FL is the HOA capital of the country. Overall, my HOA is relatively reasonable, but lazy in their work. Basically they drive around once every 7-8 months and get EVERYONE for any little infraction they can
>Everyone bitches for a week
>Everyone powerwashes their driveway
>Cuts grass
>Trims trees
>etc
And then the neighborhood looks good for a few months. They HOA never follows up on any of the infractions, more like a post-it note to clean up your yard or whatever. Overall I don't like being told to do something on my property as it's always something I know that needs done, I don't need someone to tell me to fix it. But overall the neighborhood does look better for the next few months. Never any issue to work on a car, but you can't have it in pieces for months at a time.
>>28581871
Based.

>>28581738
>Why cuck yourself and buy in a HOA?
Some people, such as my father, WANT to be in an HOA and specifically look for that when buying a house. They don't want pickups parked in the yard, they don't want cars on blocks in the driveway, they don't want the purple house with the blue tarp on the roof across the street, etc, and all the other rules don't bother them because they're not going to do any of that stuff anyway.

>>28581663 (OP)
Haven't had a problem with mine.
Now, the jackass that disassembled his entire front end and spread the parts out on the sidewalk, he drew some heat.

>>28582027
>They don't want pickups parked in the yard, they don't want cars on blocks in the driveway, they don't want the purple house with the blue tarp on the roof across the street, etc,
32 years of life, 0 in an hoa, and I've never seen any of what you're describing in any of the 7 different houses I've lived in.
This is only a problem in extremely low income poverty stricken shitholes, you won't run into that in any neighborhood if you aren't poor regardless of if you have an hoa or not.

no hoa if you aren't dirt poor is literally just
>his grass is a little long
>there are a couple weeds popping up through the driveway
>he's changing his oil in his driveway
>he's parked on the street after 9pm

>>28581871
This. People being against HOAs and "Karens" are just another form of anti whiteness. They want you to live in those vibrant diverse shitholes

Mine's not too bad. Its rules are mostly to avoid a shade tree mechanic business and unsightly "project" cars in driveways. A couple guys got busted for leaving their jalopies to sit in the street, after a couple warnings one guy aired up the tires and moved it to his driveway, cleaned it up, and put a for sale sign on it. Other dude had a wrecked jetta leaking oil, HOA sent him a notice 2 weeks after it happened to get the wreck out of his driveway. Another dude shoved his project car into the garage and its been covered with a tarp in the garage for 3 years.

You don't have to have a nice car, it just can't look like shit for most HOAs.

>>28582051
>oh my god anon, your car is from the 90s? sorry, you're gonna have to either sell it or keep it out of sight, we only allow 2020s and newer here.
>that'll be $100 every day you don't comply

>>28582041
Wrong. You seem like some reddit-tier midwit.
>32 years of life, 0 in an hoa
So you don't have any fucking experience in anything regarding an HOA? Just every horror story you've read about online. Shush.

>>28582054
>/o/
>defending this
I've known plenty of people in hoas
I've never known a single person that actually likes them outside of the old cunts that need power in their miserable lives.

namefags and being the dumbest faggots on the planet, name a more iconic duo

>>28582052
No, thats not how mine works. There are some that are, the people who live there don't have 1990s cars.

>>28581727
Are you a homeowner or just a renter of a home that maybe part of an HOA?
If you are a homeowner you should know if you are in an HOA or not, especially of the fact that you have to pay monthly/yearly dues for that HOA and its usually a big chuck of change that you should notice imo and a reminder that you are paying for that HOA "service".
Otherwise if you are just a renter, then yeah I wouldn't expect you to know if it is part of an HOA or not as that is the homeowner's responsibility.

>>28582060
All hoas are bad
Not all hoas are horrendously bad

I deal with enough bullshit regulation from uncle sam, I don't need a bored retiree watching over me and trying to control me too, and forcing me to give them money to do it.
Total HOA death.

>>28582059
Lol, I call you a reddit-tier midwit and you use reddit threads as your backing? Lol, lmao even.

>>28582078
holy epic pwnage you got him so good xD

>>28582080
Thanks for the gold kind stranger.

>>28582078
And I called you a retarded faggot and you used retarded faggot logic as your backing.
What source for hoas being miserable would you accept? Any place that there's any discussion of them, I can guarantee I can find plenty of complaints for you.

But please, continue ignoring the actual point being made to win internet points you fucking retard. Did you remember to rake your lawn? Can't have a single icky leaf sitting on the grass, it would ruin the neighborhood!

>>28581663 (OP)
it depends entirely on the hoa, and can also change on a whim if the collective agrees that it should change.
even a "reasonable" hoa can turn sour very quickly if the current president steps down and miserable bitch is elected. There's very little upside to them, especially if you like cars. It can be frustrating finding a house without one that isn't in a ghetto, but they're out there and worth the extra wait to find them.

>>28582067
>All hoas are bad
They've been instrumental in getting some hoarder to clean up their lot, and kicked out a renter that had county police serve multiple warrants, and installed pylons to wreck drunk drivers driving over the flower island.

>>28582095
for ever good thing an hoa does, it does about 500 bad things that just inconvenience the lives of normal people.
>sorry anon, your car isn't nice enough for us, and you didn't pay the arbitrary penalty we assigned, we're gonna file to foreclose your house and force you out of our neighbor. comply or else teehee :3

>>28582100
I think you're exaggerating your grievance with HOAs. For them to do 500 bad things just off those 4 good things, thats thousands of terrible events. Thats simply not mathematically possible. And state protections ensure you cannot be foreclosed on but a mild lien can until the issue is corrected. Don't have a front yard that looks like a hillbilly dumping ground and HOAs leave you the fuck alone.

>>28581727
>but my yard is private property
Lmao you should tell busybody boomers and karens that because they don't think that. They think they have a right to police what you can and can't do on your own damn property.

>>28582104
>I think you're exaggerating your grievance with HOAs.
I'm not at all.
Examples from people I know:

>we've had some problems with dogs in the neighborhood so we're going to send a truck to everyone's houses to euthanize your pets. Don't worry, we'll cover the cost!
>we saw you painted your porch, but we didn't approve it. Here's a list of painters we'll let you hire so you can get it repainted
>we measured a weed at the curb and it was a little over the 3 inches we allow, we hired a gardener to come fix it, here's the bill
>we saw you working on your car in the driveway, we have a strict guidelines that don't allow that so we're issuing you a $500 fine
>you had some people over and their cars were parked on the street after 10pm, it's against our policies to have any sort of gathering without our approval at least 72 hours in advance, so we're issuing a (I forgot how much the fee was)

>And state protections ensure you cannot be foreclosed on but a mild lien can until the issue is corrected.
Depends entirely on the state. A lot of states still have laws that allow hoas to foreclose over unpaid dues/fees.
>Don't have a front yard that looks like a hillbilly dumping ground and HOAs leave you the fuck alone.
you're understating how bad some hoas can be.

>>28582110
>They think they have a right to police what you can and can't do on your own damn property.
they legally do. you signed the bylaws. comply or faith the consequences.

>>28582120
>Examples from people I know:
Who are these people. I think you're making shit up and I cannot figure out why.

>>28582126
>Who are these people.
friends and family.
>nooo hoas are amazing how could they ever do something bad when it's well documented just how satanic they can be literally everywhere on the internet??
everyone in my friend's hoa with the pet euthanasia shit fought it successfully, but it's something they actually tried to do that was so fucking absurd I couldn't believe someone even attempted it.
There was an hoa on the news in some middle american state that was trying to ban guns and was issuing a $1000(?) fine for every day people living their didn't turn them in.

Again, all hoas are bad.
Not all hoas are horrendously bad.

the only good hoa is a disbanded hoa.

never did much car work in my parents yard but never been bothered for the work i did do. i know in the past people would use the hoa rules to harass each other, BUT recently they hired an agency to run the hoa and now theyre making everyone put their boats and RVs in storage and making people remove 30 years of decks and patios that protrude into the open (city owned) space behind a lot of our medium sized yards

>>28582086
Brother, I do not think you understand what the term "logic" means. If you've never lived in an HOA(and I'm guessing no intention to ever live in one), why do you care? I'm not here to defend HOA's, but for some reason you're frothing at the mouth against them. Clearly room temperature IQ.

>>28582161
>why do you care?
because I want to warn people like OP about the dangers of thinking
>it could never happen to me, surely problems moving into an hoa couldn't be as bad as everyone says!
>I'm not here to defend HOA
you sure fooled me, faggot

watching people try to defend HOAs is like watching a cuck try to defend letting dudes fuck his wife. it's really funny

>>28582235
Youre just personally insulted that no one wants to live around people like (You) and that your habits are repulsive to most ordinary people, such that they are willing to get "cucked" to separate themselves from you.

>>28582237
Oh no someone worked on their own car outside their own house! How terrible!

>>28582237
someone
>checks notes
had a car older than 6 years and
>checks notes again
painted their house a different color?
the horror! someone needs to lock them up and throw away the key for these transgressions!

>>28582041
>This is only a problem in extremely low income poverty stricken shitholes, you won't run into that in any neighborhood if you aren't poor regardless of if you have an hoa or not
this has been my experience as well. only the shittiest of neighborhoods have some unsightly properties. if you don't move to the hood, all of the "concerns" a HOA would theoretically present are nothingburgers

Average HOA is $250 per month

Average HOA provides -$500 of value

>>28582201
Lol, keep seething kiddo. OP, take note that everyone bitching about hoa's here haven't actually lived in one. As I stated earlier, it's always based on some reddit post. Not to say that it doesn't happen, but in my experience they're not bad. If you're that curious get on the nextdoor app and message some people from the neighborhood.

>>28581663 (OP)
Usually I spray gasoline on a lawn a block over before I do work on my car. That way the HOA is fixated on their dead grass and doesn't have time to bother me.

>>28582518
>it could never happen to me

I've lived in a few hoas as a renter before I bought my house, there's a reason people say to avoid them.
None of them were that bad, but it's just opening yourself to some busibody loser pestering you over shit no one cares about. Buy a house in a nice area with no hoa. You won't have riffraff like this
>>28582027
Unless you buy in a mexiblack neighborhood.
The only difference between the hoa neighborhoods and non-hoa neighborhoods I've been in is yards aren't all perfectly manicured to the point of soullessness, houses look different (big no no for hoafags), and you see some cool cars. My neighbor has a 38 Ford hotrod he takes out once a month, and another guy a few houses down has an imported Nissan laurel and a mk4 supra

>>28582711
Forgot to mention some of the annoying shit at previous houses
One house I was unfortunate enough to live across from the hoa president, 80 year old woman. She didn't have an issue with me but would always come talk to me to bitch and moan about the neighborhood when I went out to get my mail.
>oh my god, can you believe (people down the street)? They were parked on the street all night across from each other! When I was driving home a car was coming the other way and I had to pull over and wait for them to go before I could! They'll be getting a citation for this one, those darn hooligans! I'm going to bring it up at the next meeting and see if we can outlaw street parking entirely!
>and those kids walking home from school, they always walk next to my house! The little hooligans have no respect! I'm calling the city and seeing if they can put up some kind of fence or something! (we lived next to a greenbelt with an elementary school down the street, so kids would use it as a shortcut to get home. They literally never did anything but walked by)
Shut the fuck up, Carol. I do not care.

Another house I got 4 citations for having oil spots in my driveway. There was a tiny spot from the previous renters. I told my landlord the HOA was bitching about something and they told me to just ignore them and throw them away.

>tldr
HOAs do nothing but pester you, fuck HOAs.

>>28581901
>house to house with a ruler measuring your grass to see if it's a 1/2 too long so they can write you up.
made up reddit faggotry, this never happens.

>>28581663 (OP)
>HOA
what is that? like council (social) housing here in the UK?

>>28582947
It's a private contractual agreement between all buyers of land in a single sub-division. The stipulations vary from contract to contract, but usually it's things like yard must be green and clean, no cars parked on road, no unregistered shitboxes visible etc.

It's originial intent is to keep riff raff out and incentivize, via non-compliance fines, owners to keep their house and yard in good shape for the benefit of everyone.

Aesthetic communism basically, but not forced (you are free to buy elsewhere if you don't like it).

>>28582963
lmao, "land of the free" eh?

>>28582974
I mean.. yeah. It's a private contract that you are freely entering into or freely not bothering to and finding a house elsewhere. I don't see the problem. It's usually the riff raff who have an issue with HOAs.

>>28582978
why on earth you enter into such a contract? are HOA houses cheaper?

>>28582963
>It's a private contractual agreement between all buyers of land in a single sub-division.
Do you actually own the land you're buying like this? With title deed or something like that.
>>28582978
But why does the contract come with the plot, so it's impossible to buy without this contract?

>>28582910
1/2 inch is hyperbole, but that absolutely does happen. I got written up for my grass being 2 inches too long and not edged.

>>28581663 (OP)
my wife is the hoa president. i try not to use power tools before 7am or after 830pm

>>28583007
what power tools does she like to use on you?
if you catch my drift, peggy

>>28582983
>are HOA houses cheaper?
quite the contrary, they're more expensive on top of having to pay monthly fees, averaging ~$250 a month. I've seen hoas as low as $50 and as high as $750.
>>28582998
>Do you actually own the land you're buying like this?
yes
>But why does the contract come with the plot, so it's impossible to buy without this contract?
correct
You can't buy a house in an area with an HOA and just not be part of it, it's forced compliance. If you ignore the dues and fees, they can put liens against your house and in some states even foreclose on your property.
anyone like this
>>28582978
is literally just a cuck.

>>28583002
did they at least offer to edge you?

>>28583013
no they made me edge myself or hire someone off a street corner to do it for me

>>28581663 (OP)
Read your bylaws, idiot. It varies.

>>28582963
>north korea isn't a forced totalitarian dictatorship, you can just go somewhere else.

>>28583012
>You can't buy a house in an area with an HOA and just not be part of it
How it is done legally? Do you have a specific law regarding HOA-tainted land on state or federal level?

>>28583012
>quite the contrary, they're more expensive on top of having to pay monthly fees, averaging ~$250 a month. I've seen hoas as low as $50 and as high as $750.
The Americans really love to tip

>>28583038
HOAs are a contractual agreement between the property developer and the homeowners that are attached to your property's deed. It's attached to that land forever until 100% of property owners agree to dissolve it.

It's all legally binding and protected, you can't just tell them to fuck off without incurring fees. Fees that if unpaid will get attached to your house should you ever decide to sell.

>>28583044
Thanks for towing my car in the middle of the night because it was street parked past 8pm, here's $100 for your inconvenience of getting my car towed and another $300 to make sure you keep up the good work :)

>>28583052
Thank you, now I think I understand it. Looks like huge red flag though, because I suspect there's no entity watching these HOA watchers.

>>28583068
>there's no entity watching these HOA watchers.
the HOA board of directors is who watches the HOA. They aren't all powerful, there are federal/state laws that dictate the extent of their power, but as long as they're operating under the scope of the law and within the confines of the bylaws you signed when purchasing/renting the house, there's nothing you can really do.
If enough people are displeased with a policy, you can put forward a notion to change whatever the policy is and have the board vote on it.

to put it simply, HOAs are tiny governments for housing developments.

To put it even more simple, see picture attached.

>>28583052
that sounds horrible and is quite the opposite of freedom

>>28583093
>the HOA board of directors is who watches the HOA
and is this a job solely populated by Karens?

>>28583093
Thank you again. People here on 4chins usually say that HOAs are the acceptable way to deal with nogs and other nonwhites without being labeled racist, but from these answers it looks like a place for someone who either wants to be governed harder (both federal and state governments are not enough for them, so there's another tiny one as you put it) or wants to be a part of toy government by being on the board or by putting forward these notions, getting neighbors to vote and so on.
I'm amazed how so-called "normal" people sometimes spend their free time without image boards.

>>28581738
It keeps niggerish behavior to a minimum.
I'm like >>28581732
They don't care what I do, as long as its in the garage.

>>28583122
>and is this a job solely populated by Karens?
99% of the time yes.
>>28583150
>HOAs are the acceptable way to deal with nogs and other nonwhites
they do accomplish that, but so does simply living in a nicer neighborhood to price out them out.
There are no minorities other than a japanese family in my neighborhood and it's not in an HOA. I have 2 neighbors both named Harvey, my neighborhood is that white (and old).

>>28583198
>They don't care what I do, as long as its in the garage.
I paid for my driveway, I'll use my driveway.

>>28583206
>99% of the time yes.
Someone posted that "Karen" stereotype is actually of a Jewish woman. I find that more and more fitting actually.

>>28582947
I know a lot of these anons are hating on HOAs, but mine is pretty great. It's not jus t"some little government", it comes with additional amenities. My hoa is $17/mo and we have a community gym, community pool, two dog parks, and two playgrounds. Most of the hate for HOAs come from reddit-types like we're seeing in this thread. The hoas near me that are $250/mo are million dollar homes that have boat access to tampa bay

>>28583550
anon do you happen to live in a condo/apartment complex? it sounds like you do.

>>28583550
>community gym, community pool
Disgusting. Do you live in an apartment or in a house?

>$250 hoa for million dollar homes only
meanwhile in reality, the median in Tampa is $614/month and ranked #1 in the country for price hikes compared to the year prior
Do not let these fucking jewish snakes trick you.

>>28583560
>>28583564
House. And the pool isn't always full of people, so it's honestly really nice. I'd post pics if it wouldn't dox me. I will say, I do live in a more rural area though, so it is a little more affordable

>>28583571
you couldn't pay me to swim in a community pool, but I'm glad you like it anon.
what are the bylaws like for cars?

>>28583571
I like most of my neighbors but not enough to share a really small volume of water with them. They aren't family. Same can be said about the air and the equipment in the gym. If you like pools, why don't get a house with a private one? Personal gym is even simpler and cheaper, probably more convenient too. I mean it's the question of hygiene in the first place.
>>28583581
>what are the bylaws like for cars?
I bet they share them too. Probably pay for a small bus to ride in it together to a nearest city, since they are rural.

>>28583595
do they have bylaws for sharing their wives as well?

>>28583600
Tightly-knit community, as they say.

>>28583566
It seems pretty disenguous to look up Tampa specific properties. Living in a major city, especially one like Tampa that has many waterfront districts, is going to be more expensive. But continue to rage Google and post what the AI feeds you.

>>28583581
The kids like it, and gives us something to do. DeSantis cucked hoas like a year ago, so I don't think they can enforce street parking shit any more. It used to be only allowed to park on one side of the street(non mailbox side). But that's not a thing anymore. The one thing that I absolutely used to hate about the hoa was they didn't allow commercial vehicles, so small business owners couldn't park their work vehicles in the neighborhood, or had to be in the garage, and that was fucking bullshit. But that's gone now too.

>>28583595
My next house will absolutely have its own pool. When I bought this one, it wasn't in the budget, but in Florida you can use it all year round.

>>28583605
>It seems pretty disenguous to look up Tampa specific properties
nigger YOU mentioned Tampa specifically??
The average hoa fee nationwide is $250, your $17/month is on an absolutely insanely low end.

>>28583617
I understand your confusion, I mentioned boat access to Tampa Bay, not living in Tampa. In this screenshot, virtually everyone here has boat access to Tampa bay, you can see that it goes all the way from Tampa, down to the Bradenton area. Most of the area between is pretty rural.

>>28583704
I see, apologies friend
the point still stands that $17/month is insanely low and well below average. Being in a rural HOA is probably more just to keep niggers at bay, suburban HOA is about soccer moms having power since they have none in their normal lives.

>>28582246
>>28582319
Problem?

>>28582518
>it's always based on some anecdotes. they're wrong because of my anecdote

>>28582041
>>28582027
>>28582054
>>28582242
I have lived in a few european towns for 20 years now. Other than when I was starting out and living in an appartment filled with browns literally I have never seem people just trashing their house / street. There is no HOA here nor do you pay a contribution to one. Literally stop being poor and all of these issues go away unless you happen to meet a rare rich psycho.