Thread 28583005

Im going with 90s. Ok rust was more of a problem then, but engines where peakpeak.
No plastic intakes
No homo-erotic screens.
Decent materials used
Cars from those years still run without problems if you kept up with maintenance

Also no fake led lights, old skool halogens. Internal lights also non led.

Cool dashboards

Im getn hard right now

>>28583005 (OP)
80s cars weren't as reliable as the memes suggest. Sure, you could buy Jap, but they'd cost you as much in rust as a Euro car would cost you in maintenance.
If you really want reliable, just 3 year lease your car. Swap for a brand new one at the end of the lease. You're fully covered by manufacturer warranty.

>>28583005 (OP)
yes, the 90s were the absolute peak of automotive engineering. Nothing prior or since matches up to it.
the absolute golden years are 96-06
pre obd2 are as reliable but can be more annoying to diagnose

>>28583005 (OP)
>No plastic intakes
Plastic intakes were common in the 90s.

>>28583027
only in american cars were they common. I've owned 6 different 90s cars and have never had a plastic intake.

>>28583027
Unironically not on my 1994 lancer 1.6

>>28583023
Based agreeer of facts.

>>28583036
Why is that?

>>28583010
Idk leasing sounds expensive and a waste of money to show off more new plastic to your neighbours.

Cant we all just go back to 90s cars?

>>28583036
>only in american cars were they common
Wrong.
BMW M50
BMW M60
Porsche 964 engine (I forget the code)
Mercedes M104

These are just the imports I know off the top of my head. There are more. Not that it's a problem, I've personally run up to 30psi of boost on an M50 intake with no issues. They never fail because there aren't any coolant ports run through them unlike a lot of other cars.

>>28583055
literally the same monthly payment as a finance purchase.
Sure you never own the car, but who wants to own a rusty shitbox anyway? Unless you're buying something unobtainium like the cossie in your post, why bother with the hassle of old car issues?

>No plastic intakes
Explain what this has to do with reliability. Please I'm dying to hear.

>>28583073
> why bother with the hassle of old car issues?

I dont know, i just like how they drive i guess? And maybe i was a kid when these things where new so its a bit of back to the future for me.

And i like fixing shit. And i like non chinese shit, back then you could get it

>>28583070
What about long term? Do they get brittle from all the temperater smchanges and shit?

>>28583078
They rust.

>>28583083
What do you mean what about long term? The M50 is a nearly 40 year old engine.

>>28583083
>What about long term?
>all of the engines named are from the 90s
anon, the 90s was 30 years ago

I just dontnunderstand why they would cheap out on plastic intakes. Just make them alluminium.

>>28583073
>Sure you never own the car, but who wants to own a rusty shitbox anyway?
>>>/n/

>>28583095
What if you drop your pliers on the intake? Will it evaporate?

I would say 20s to early 2000s

>>28583100
90s* wtf

>>28583105
Foxbody, i would buy if i could find one but these are all convertibles if they are for sale.

90s cars

>>28583023
This is the one. Yessir, this is the best post of thread.

And it's not even close, rust was only a problem for coastal/rust belt enviornments. A simple under belly wash would go a long way for preserving such cars.

Jap, euro, American. Doesn't matter throw a dart at 96-06 era cars and 8/10 you'll land on solid gold.

>>28583202
>killed these so we could have more malaise-quality FWD shitboxes
Robert Stempel was a mistake.

>>28583202
Beautiful car

2000-2017/18 with some mid 90s standouts. Almost everything with some exception (gm bottom tier shitboxes, ford vvt systems, any and all dodge electrical) are easy 300k vehicles with basic maintenance and care with the rare "major" repair (fuel pump, wheel bearing, etc)

>>28583805
>2017/18
there is not a single car made in the 2010s I would trust to hit 300k+ reliably.

>>28583810
Retarded comment given how many models were carry overs from the previous decade

>>28583005 (OP)
crazy how rare this car is now. They were everywhere when I was a kid but I've seen more Mk4 Supras running today than these.

>>28583005 (OP)

1998 to 2008.

After OBD2 ports were introduced but before Obama started mandating stupid shit like start stop systems and emission controls.

I'd trust the reliability of a 20 year old Camry or Crown Vic over the reliability of pretty much any new car.

>>28583078
corner cutting adds up in the worst kind of ways

>>28583005 (OP)
90s cars were not reliable
Look at posts from around 2003-2006 on any forum for jap sports cars and you'll see people having countless problems and needing to replace engines etc
Engine importing in the early 00s was a massive industry not because of "le engine swaps", but because people needed replacement engines for their <10yo Japanese sports car

>>28584022
>Look at posts from around 2003-2006 on any forum for jap sports cars and you'll see people having countless problems and needing to replace engines etc
because in 2003-2006 your ONLY source of information was a service manual or 3 dudes on a forum. common sense things today weren't common back then.

mid 90s to mid 00s

earlier than that you have carbs, timing belts, rats nests of vacuum operated everything, non-galvanised bodies

later than that you have direct injection, start-stop, low friction bearings, turbos, variable oil pumps, plastic coolant components

>>28583005 (OP)
2005-2010 cars peaked for functionality, safety, design, interiors.

98-02.

>>28583078
New thing bad!!!

>>28585257
>plastic good
retard

>>28585257
You are the reason we can't have nice things.
Not us.
It's always been the bugmen who tolerate objectively worse design choices to be the new norm.

You can't defend why a HIGH TEMP WATER HOUSING should be made with plastic instead of metal

You can't defend why every car should have proprietary tooling unique to each model not even by brand

You can't defend anything so you just meme new thing bad instead of actually articulating any meaningful fucking thing.

Sub humans like you are who I hate the most. Always remember you are something to hate, not to love.

>>28585259
>These parts would absolutely be better if the Jewish accountants made it out of the cheapest possible metal ever
>Plastic parts are the reason why the Jews made expensive, exclusive tools.
A crook clubs you over the head and you're mad that it was made of wood

>>28584066
Yeah so it took 20 years of knowing the engines inside and out to fix all their weak points to make them reliable.

>>28583023
>pre obd2 are as reliable but can be more annoying to diagnose
my experience with obd1 has only ever been with toyotas, but i liked how those you could just jump 2 pins in the diag connector and get trouble codes from that. it was slow, but convenient.

>>28585809
cool strawman bro

>>28583023
>pre obd2 are as reliable but can be more annoying to diagnose

I actually think its the reverse - as long as you can get the special connector/software (you can easily get chink copies by now), you are getting absolutely 100% of the available system tools.

Wherea obd2 you get scanners which can only get some codes and not others and its all generic bullshit

>>28583005 (OP)
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>>28585916
That is what we're doing today, right? Seemed like it to me >>28585824

>>28586655
Uh whoops, didn't mean to reply to that second post

>>28585824
I assume you're like 18 or 19 and are just utterly clueless to post something this idiotic.

>>28587068
I'm a millennial and I remember how many broken 90s Japanese sports cars were around in the mid 00s when they were barely 10 years old.
Compare that to any 2015 model car, the 2015 model car is way more reliable.

>>28587319
you're comparing pre-modern internet era with zero information outside of terrible forums and service manuals to the current era with information on how to fix almost every single problem on every car within 20 seconds of searching.

>>28584583
IIHS small overlap testing didn't come out until 2012 afaik - that was a big bump in safety. Testing it for the passenger side wasn't even done until 2018. Some brands interiors got worse during that period like subarus.

>>28587752
Safety testing is for homosexual faggots.

>>28587754
After experiencing a head on collision at highway speeds in a pre 2010's car, I'd would've rather been a homosex.

>>28587324
So? If a car is reliable it shouldn't need anything other than factory service manuals to keep it on the road.

>>28587761
>head on collision at highway speeds
Maybe don't drive in opposing traffic in the highway dumb dumb

>>28587764
It's so tiresome talking to a zoomer larping as a millennial that was probably like 5 years old in the era he's trying to talk about.

>>28587780
I wasn't even driving and the car that hit us jumped the median during a snowstorm.

>>28587784
Why were both the car you were in and another retard going highway speeds during a snow storm?

>>28587794
Not sure about the retard that hit us, but we were already going like 15 under. Any slower and it would have be risking get rear ended by other assholes trying to get to work.

>>28587804
I've seen trucks going 20 over in snow storms
I'm very glad I work from home so I can just not drive on those days

>>28583005 (OP)
Peak reliability:
VW Golf 2 (diesel)
VW Golf 4 (diesel)
VW Passat B3/B4/B5 (diesel)
Mercedes Benz W123 and W123 (diesel)
Audi 80 B4 (both diesel and petrol)
Audi 100 C4/Audi A6 C4 (both diesel and petrol)
Toyota Camry gen 3/4 (petrol 2.2)
Lexus LS400 gen 1 and 2
Panther Platform from early 2000s?

>>28587781
>nah they are totally reliable after 20 years of finding every single weak point through trial and error, using modern standalone ECUs and modern turbochargers