Thread 28601075

If Chinese cars were allowed into the US, 1/2 of our domestic producers would be bankrupt by Friday afternoon.

>>28601075 (OP)
And? I'm still not buying one.

>>28601079
>LOOK AT ME IM A SPEICAL SNOWFLAKE AND THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE
Doesn't matter what the fuck you do. Most consumers buy whatever is priced the lowest.

You can buy Chinese heavy machinery... How many construction sites do you see running that shit? You can buy Chinese power tools... How many professionals are running Chinese power tools? What makes you think people want Chinese vehicles when they can spend $3k more and get something trustworthy and reliable?

What's up with the recent Chinese dick sucking here? Is it you euros coping with your inevitable future?

>>28601086
>What makes you think people want Chinese vehicles when they can spend $3k more and get something trustworthy and reliable?

Because I see Kias and Hyundais everywhere on the road

>>28601075 (OP)
If you buy one, you are a spineless beta. Easy as.

>>28601092
Those are closer to what Japanese cars were and have a proven track record. It'll be a very fucking long time until people in the free world start to think of Chinese goods as not just throw away garbage.

>>28601095
lmao
they are fucking garbage. People could spend a few grand more and get a Mazda or Toyota, but they don't. Bring in the chink cars and it will be no different.

true
chinese government subsidizes them out the ass and if other governments don't protect themselves from chinese dumping, they risk their homegrown industries

>>28601084
Yes, I know that, and that's why I'm better than you and the rest of the unwashed masses.

>>28601098
>People could spend a few grand more and get a Mazda or Toyota, but they don't.
You're living in 2002... Japanese cars are junk now. While Korean cars aren't much better they're still many steps above a chink car. If you can sell a chink equivalent of a Civic or a Elantra for half the price you might be onto something but that will never fucking happen in the free world.

>>28601105
South Korean cars are complete fucking trash. Japanese cars aren't as good as they used to be, but they are no where near Kia/Hyundai levels of trash except for maybe Nissan.

Regardless you're missing the point - people will buy whatever is the cheapest.

>>28601108
>people will buy whatever is the cheapest.
That's why only mid to high trim level vehicles sell and the average vehicle selling price is over $40k right? I don't think you know how things work in the free world.

>>28601118
Trim has nothing to do with. If the Chinese can put out a comparable vehicle with all the fancy buttons and features as a US brand for less money, it's going to sell more. There is a reason why US car manufactures lobby hard to prevent China from entering the market. cope and seethe all you want tard, it's basic economics

>>28601075 (OP)
Good. They've peddled us garbage for decades. Just stipulate that the Chinese conpanies have to set up factories here and employ mostly Americans. They have surpassed us in technology, it's time we advanced by using their products instead of being stuck with our shit.

>>28601126
Yeah and small trucks don't sell because of CAFE and the "chicken tax", right?

>>28601086
My company uses chinese trucks

>>28601138
Where and what does the company do? I haven't seen anybody doing that in the free world.

>>28601084
No they don't.

>>28601075 (OP)
>If Chinese cars were allowed into the US

If they were allowed in the way they are, without NHTSA and EPA testing, there would be great problems with the extra-thin sheet metal and flimsy undercarriages. They have no reserve headroom to deal with rust or corrosion since China makes cars for a 5 year lifespan.

>>28601075 (OP)
listn up you american fags

in europe we already have chinese invasion: byd, mg, chery, omoda, jaecoo, beijing, nio, all those funny names

these shitboxes have issues on same level as euro cars but are much cheaper. We noticed that subframes and crucial parts have zero rust protection or even paint. In europe we keep our cars longer with us so if somebody plans to own a car for ~15-20 years then this is a dealbreaker

but for you americans that consider a 5yo car old these would be great. Interiors are comfy, cars look weird but futurustic. And you get rid of them so fast that you wouldn't notice that dangerous rusting

>>28601280
that's not wood....

>>28601086
>How many professionals are running Chinese power tools
Literally all of them as only DeWalt assembles Chinese parts here in the US. Literally every company is mic from hobby to pro unless you've got some crackhead priced woodworking tools from Lichtenstein or Germany.

>>28601275
Here in burgeristan, euro shitboxes are also avoided like the plague. If chinkshit were introduced to the market somehow, domestic brands would just lower lease pricing a bit and run the uber shitboxes out of existence in a few months
That's assuming they even get sold in the first place since new cars sold in the US still have to pass various roadworthiness and safety standards, even if the emissions shit has relaxed significantly

>>28601275
How are the higher end models?

>>28601301
Trash but with faux leather seats and interior LED lighting

>>28601280
these are instant noodles, not wood

>>28601086
>You can buy Chinese power tools... How many professionals are running Chinese power tools
milwaukee is made in the usa from globally sourced materials of course :^)

>>28601086
>How many professionals are running Chinese power tools?
Mostly all of them.

>>28601075 (OP)
>dominates roads across the world, from Bogota to Budapest
I drive into Budapest from the 'burbs a few times a week. Seeing a BYD is very rare. Suzuki "dominates the roads" in Hungary. I think they must be more popular elsewhere in the EU. Maybe that will change when BYD's passenger car factory opens in Szeged next year or when they complete the move of their European HQ to Budapest, but, as of right now, you're more likely to see a GM Corvette than a BYD in BP.

>>28601075 (OP)
Amazing how fucking dumb western leaders are, killing the industry that the west is expert at, internal combustion, in favor of something the chinese have 100% of the market of; batteries and electric motors.
>What did these fucking retards expect would happen

Green new deal my left nut

>>28601418
Top: Has indoor plumbing
Bottom: Shits outside
kek

>American drivers crashing cheaply made Chinese cars and roasting alive in shoahs on a regular basis
Hmm.

jap cars used to be labeled as shit too but now they're classics

>>28601075 (OP)
True, then Ford would be a subsidiary of BYD by 2030

>>28601075 (OP)
90% of BYD sales come from inside its domestic market (china)
china's entire automotive industry is sourced from stolen US IP.
subsidized communist tesla clones.

>>28601100
Why don't we just subsidize our car brands then?

>>28601075 (OP)
so true

>>28601075 (OP)
Ecactly why after we win and deport the browns, we still need to enslave like 75% of the white population to make the west a liveable place again. The average norm norm cannot be trusted with making life decisions.

>>28601275
>In europe we keep our cars longer
lol

>>28601075 (OP)
The countries they sell those cars in have shit safety standards. To be able to sell them in the US they would need to be improved significantly, and their cost would go up significantly as well, eliminating the one reason people would have to buy them, being cheap.

>>28601075 (OP)
>If Chinese cars were allowed into the US
They are, the Buick Envision is quite literally made in China. Not assembled in Korea or finished in the US, literally made 100% in China and sold in the US (to the same clueless boomers that'll cry about "buying American")

>>28601740
>mommy, please go buy more money

>>28601760
Are you implying it's impossible? Cause China is doing it.

>>28601758
I'm not talking about just bring made in China. That car is made in china under the supervision and regulations of a US corporation built to the standards of US vehicle safety requirements.

I'm talking about Chinese companies, designing & building cars themselves to shitty standards because they're made for markets that don't care if they are death traps.

>>28601720
>stolen US IP
Imagine believing that you can have property rights over ideas lmao. If you can't turn an idea into (profitable) reality, or at least partner with someone who can, then don't cry when someone else comes along and does it better than you.
>but china-
Chinkshit, barring a few factories (that coincidentally have US managers + engineers on the floor), is non-competitive when it comes to any technology from the last two decades. The only good thing to come out of them is semiconductors, but that's a Taiwan exclusive product

>>28601765
it's possible if you're retarded
everything is possible for you anon

>>28601785
Stop talking like a fucking bridge troll speaking in riddles and just say what you're trying to say.

>>28601793
china has the entire battery supply chain in country and builds EVs at the cheapest prices possible even without subsidies and they STILL aren't breaking even and accumulating debt
battery science still needs to improve for EVs to make economic sense

>>28601084
Not the electrics. Americans have been convinced that electric=bad, even more so now that the tax credit is removed.
Chinese cars would need to be ICE and come in under 20k despite harsher tariffs to get under the existing economy options.

>>28601272
>5 year lifespan
Holy shit, the chinks really doubled down on that planned obsolescence.
Do they also allow predatory lending practices?

>>28601075 (OP)
They really wouldn't make a difference because
A. EVs are extremely unpopular as it is
B. The multitudes of Buyer Beware videos that would come out detailing that Chinese garbage is still garbage

>>28601075 (OP)
BYD? The same BYD under investigation for selling zero mile used cars to pocket subsidies and pump their sales numbers?

>>28601075 (OP)
Except with tariffs they would never be sold for $23,200 in the US.

>>28601075 (OP)
You have to meet regulations to sell cars in the US. BYD was on track to sell one (1) of their sedans in the US and then shut down all plans after Trump took office.

>>28601837
Tesla is the most profitable per vehicle though, in the USA.

>>28601075 (OP)
I haven't seen 1 BYD car

>>28601956
yes, due to subsidies and people buying car for reasonably close to full price
there are no $24k teslas like in op

>>28601075 (OP)
If the Chinese were not obsessed with pushing out "new" garbage, they could have easily flooded the markers with cheap i4 cars that can be build to a higher-than-fiat standard and took over the world. Instead they are going through the same burn-out that tesla did by selling EVs to adopters with no real plan what to do after

>>28601983
Tesla has the same subsidies as other auto makers, which are having trouble eeking out a profit of EVs. It has nothing to do with subsidies.

>>28601740
We can’t afford to subsidize them and the corn farmers!

>>28601992
Are you implying China, with 3 times the population of the USA, doesn't subsidize their food production?

>>28601740
>>28601992
The only reason GM, Ford, and RAM still exist today is thanks to the US government subsidizing them during downturn years

>>28602001
They didn't subsidize them, they just gave them giant loans which they paid back.

>>28602002
>which they paid back
US took a 60% stake in GM which they ended up selling back at a loss in the end. Those loans were never paid back.

>>28602003
> The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) was the largest of the bailouts. In 2008, TARP allocated $426.4 billion to various major financial institutions. However, the US collected $441.7 billion in return from these loans in 2010, recording a profit of $15.3 billion.

>>28601990
>Tesla has the same subsidies as other auto makers
this is technically correct, because other companies recently started receiving subsidies for EVs as well
>It has nothing to do with subsidies.
there is NO WAY getting billions in subsidies in 2014 could possibly affect anything of course

>>28601740
Because our politicians are totally unserious at best and utterly malicious at worst

>>28602011
>"you will get a free laptop if you get a B or better in your classes"
>1 kid studies hard and gets As and Bs
>other kids slack and get some Cs
>that 1 kid gets a laptop
>other kids get nothing
>"That 1 kid having a laptop is a huge advantage and isn't fair"

>>28601142
Roadworks.

>>28601755
Lmao americans will cope all the way to their grave

>>28602022
this retarded analogy shows the depth of your stupidity
tesla was first to the market and got the production cycle straightened out due to enormous amount of subsidies while the others started drawing plans after it became obvious that there's a market
it doesn't mean that tesla is special and """""""studied hard""""""", retard

>>28601075 (OP)
It's pretty easy to make cheap cars when:

1. The Chinese government is paying for all your expenses no questions asked.

2. You only have to pay your wage slaves $5000 a year
https://carnewschina.com/2024/05/20/strike-at-byd-factory-in-wuxi-workers-seek-fair-treatment/

3. China opens a new goal power plant every 3 days because fuck the environment
https://www.carbonbrief.org/chinas-construction-of-new-coal-power-plants-reached-10-year-high-in-2024/

4. You can dump toxic waste wherever because see point 3.

The biggest environmental lobbying group in the West is the Chinese government.

China is attempting the Walmart strategy to take over industry. If they can float their cars in they can destroy competition. Then they jack up prices which simultaneously allows them to correct the problems listed above at the expense of other countries.

>>28602039
Those subsidies didn't specify Tesla brand only. Other auto makers could have out competed Tesla at any time.

It should be pointed out that China itself placed numerous restrictions to keep foreign cars out in order to develop their own auto industry. Up until a few years ago, China had 100% tariffs on imported cars (and still has like 25% tariffs), and required most foreign companies that wanted to build in China to avoid the tariff to "partner" with a Chinese company, which of course is how those Chinese auto companies speed-ran the "how to design and build car" process. So using protectionist measures against Chinese automakers is simply basic tit for tat.

>>28602075
So why didn't the USA do that?

>>28601770
they don't do it better, they do it cheaper because they can pay slave wages and employ underage workers in substandard working conditions thanks to communism and currency manipulation.
china is the epstien island of manufacturing

>>28601075 (OP)
>$20K chink car
TOO MUCH!

Make it $3-4K, so I can endure the poor chink quality and reliability.

>>28601100
okay okay wait a sec hear me out. if china is subsidizing their companies and they are doing great AND they have the money to do it. what the actual fuck is our government doing with our money when our tax revenue is far higher than china's?

>>28601075 (OP)
And despite all that, I'd still rather pay more for a better built Japanese car. 'Made in China' is not something to be proud of.

BYD is just taking the GM approach; Sell lots and lots and lots of crap for a low price. BYD isn't remarkable in this respect.

>>28602202
>china is subsidizing their companies and they are doing great
you're sure about that?

Chinese brands aren't even in the top 10 Europe

>>28602040
This.
The issue isn't competition. The US gets competition from Italy, Germany, Japan, Korea, etc
The issue is a foreign government, China, using slave labor and tax subsidies to destroy virtually irreplaceable industry players so that they are the only game in town.
Very Baby Boomer mindset to be okay with it.

>>28602245
MG is 11th, just outside of the top 10 once you merge the different brands of each manufacturer together
I'm not surprised they're not catching on though, I'm not sure if Europe has the same view of Chinese stuff as America but even if not, their brands are still kinda unknown so I'd be surprised if normies knew about them.

>>28602077
The US has done such measures; there is a 100% tariff on Chinese EVs, for example, which is part of what OP is complaining about, and the US has used tariffs / threats of tariffs to encourage auto makers to set up manufacturing in the US plenty of times in the past (that is why the Japanese automakers set up a bunch of US factories in the 1990s). Tariffs to protect and develop industries work reasonably well, as long as your domestic market is large enough to get enough economies of scale and your local labor force is capable of the task.

>>28601084
Then why are there so few Mirages on the road? It's the cheapest.

>>28602245
The fact that OP doesn't want to admit is that the Chinese dumping push already hit its peak 2 years ago and is now at a steady decline as Europe/US instituted tariffs and canceled most of their EV friendly incentives. Now they are stuck trying to offload them onto Africans and Indians, and they are nowhere near rich enough to make Chinese car companies profitable. What China should have done is spam cheap i4 trucks and US compliant SUV's everywhere that could avoid any true direct attacks like EVs are susceptible to

>>28601086
>You can buy Chinese power tools... How many professionals are running Chinese power tools?
Literally all of them on every jobsite ive been on. I've never seen a snap-on impact or ratchet in the wild. For every dewalt (made in china but ASSEMBLED IN USA rah rah rah!!!) I see several Milwaukee's and other brands.

>>28601086
>trustworthy and reliable
Except that's not what American cars are. Construction machinery companies must maintain a reputation if reliability because it's niche specialty equipment, if the brand is known for being shit no company will buy it. If a car brand is shit there's still millions of retards who don't do any research that will buy it. Now that all brands have gone to shit, everyone just expects their car to go to shit in 5 years and buys a new one.

EVs should not even be expensive. There's no reason for them to cost more than a gas car. You don't need fucking 500mi range in an EV, rarely is the full range of a gas tank ever used.

>>28602231
pretty sure. selling lots of cars and making money is good?

our government is afraid of chinese jumping car technology
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIKAn8yDkpA

>>28601075 (OP)
Not so fast.
We should import these cars, but build a domestic aftermarket.

>>28602561
all car manufacturers are doing good by that retarded metric

>>28601086
>How many professionals are running Chinese power tools?
>milwaulkee

>>28602564
>jumping car
kek imagine some kid doing this at 80MPH with bald tires in the rain

>>28602588
yeah but, you know, if we tier them on a list and rank them based on how many cars they sell and how much money they make versus how much they cost we can see some are doing a lot better than others?

>>28601105
>Japanese cars are junk now. While Korean cars aren't much better
Post toolbox, plot twist it doesn't exist, wrenchlet, faggot, ricer, auto only

>>28601291
>Literally all of them
Coldest day in hell, wrenchlet, faggot

as usual clueless chinkshills try pushing evs on a board that doesn't even like western evs

They absolutely WOULD dominate... doesn't even matter if it's good quality.. It's NEW and it's CHEAP... The Mitsubishi Mirage sold almost 30k units in 24, you think that's entirely because of it's 'known lasting quality and performance'?

>>28602276
>tax subsidies to destroy virtually irreplaceable industry players so that they are the only game in town.
That's just Tesla

>>28602622
yeah

>US doesn't like cheap EVs
Is that why they're bringing back the Bolt? Americans hate it?

>>28601853
>Do they also allow predatory lending practices?
Yes, and they also do that with employment. Let's say you go to work at some factory job. You stay at the company dormitory with many people per room. You get an ADVANCE from the company. Of course there are repayment terms and interest rate.

The employer now delays paying you. You owe money that you cannot pay back since you haven't been paid. You complain but cannot quit as you have no where to go and if you ran off, the police will be after you for violations as well as money owed after the company filed a complaint against you in court. So you have a predatory lending right there.

So you wonder why employees in those chinese news reports don't quit after FOUR, FIVE, and as much as EIGHT months of non payment or only fractional payment? Take a guess.

>>28602594
A tool made with Chinese parts is not the same as a Chinese tool.

>>28602401
That's not what I'm talking about, those are embargos. China doesn't do that.

Chinese cars often lack rust proofing. They also use the minimum legal thickness of sheet metal. That means the sides of the car has metal that is only a fraction of the thickness of a bicycle rim.

>>28601086
>how many professionals are running Chinese power tools?
All of them. Unless you buy exlusively Hilti and Festool and even these two have started to cut corners. Bosch used to make their shit in Malaysia.

>>28602631
>be me
>live in japan
>go to tool aisle
>everything Makita etc. is "Made in China"
>20 years ago it was all made in Japan
You will have nothing and you will enjoy the Great Enshittening.

>>28601075 (OP)
Fuck off chinksectoid

>>28601740
Ford and GM are entirely supported by fleet sales to big corporations and the government. They are americas equivalent of lada and uaz at this point

I get a kind of perverse pleasure in knowing that if one could reply to shills in just the right sequence of events there's a very real possibility their chinese aspirations for a party supporting easy chinese life will get ruined.

I really want more videos of roadside executions to be on the internet.
Not enough people understand what China truly is and why noone should support them.

>>28602862
>>28603876
Made in China =/= made by china.
3rd rate factory seconds cost cut in every area is not the same as by-the-design, controlled foreign IP.

I don't want your $35 hammer drill, you know it's a total piece of shit.

>>28604243
>pays $500 for the exact same hammer drill with a different logo
many such cases

>>28604431
Why do you even try your bullshit

>>28601075 (OP)
>dominates roads in Europe
lol they don't, they stand out like a sore thumb.
Dailyreminder that chinks let their cars rot en masse in huge parking lots only to be able to say they "sold" them

>>28601291
>>28601396
>>28602498
>>28602594
>>28602862
Seems like you retards don't understand the difference between "chinese manufactured with specifications from elsewhere" and "chinese manufactured with no training wheels"

>>28601075 (OP)
good

>>28603876
Because once upon a time Japan was the cheap labor shithole everyone outsourced their manufacturing to. Then they made their own cheap copycats of western stuff which eventually evolved into their own brands.

>>28601084
your really fucking retarded enough to not under stand that most pickup trucks and suvs on the road are between 50k-150k dollars because normies care more about rank and class than cheap

>>28601075 (OP)
That's precisely why they shouldn't be allowed into the US market. Too many consumers buy the cheapest option with no regard for aesthetics. That problem is only getting worse with a poor economy and mass immigration. I saw picrel once and was disgusted, I don't want any more hideous Chinese cars on my roads.

>>28601105
Japanese vehicles are mostly ugly but the popular sedans look okay. the Kia Soul is hideous, most other Korean cars look alright. BYDs are the ugliest things I've seen on a road. Not seen one remotely decent looking Chinese vehicle

>>28602655
Chinese vehicles aren't made to be good, they're made to displace domestic markets in foreign countries. Especially their enemy countries like in the west.

>>28603876
Brics is the shithole world order. You don't just have to be "anti racist" you have to live in a shithole and be miserable. Look how quickly the ccp turned against Argentina over covid, they just hate civilization because it's "white coded"

The government doesn't want you to have cheap cars, they want you to go into debt for cars and pay the bankers who they serve.

>>28606177
Nice try. We all know the Chinese government gives its citizens fewer freedoms. And China hates the American people, so it wants Americans to be even more miserable than the Chinese are.

Chinese cars plus Chinese tires
a non-forgiving combination

>>28606039
>Jack shit

Imagine thinking a car made of 100% Chinesium is something a reasonable person would buy.

>>28602040
Is China the biggest asshole in the world?

>>28601086
everyone they are just given a brand name you know.

>>28602537
>You don't need fucking 500mi range in an EV
yes I do when charging that shitbox takes so long. You never get the advertised amount in practice (same for fuel economy of a gas/diesel car)

Bump

>>28601075 (OP)
>Hmm, I think I'll buy a minivan for my growing family.
>Do I want to buy from a known brand, or should I save some money with a chink knockoff?
>I think I'll buy an LDV Mifa.
>It has a 550kg payload, so each passenger (plus their luggage) can only weigh 68kg
>But that's okay, I should lose some weight anyway.
>LDV was sued by the Australian consumer watchdog because their cars rust out in 5 years despite their marketing showing them being used "on, in or near a variety of terrains"
>But that's okay, I don't plan to drive "near a variety of terrains", and I'll just sell it after 4 years and 11 months.
>I'll be saving so much money!
>Sticker price: $72,990
>$4,150 less than a Carnival

>>28604243
China can manufacture things in a range of quality. If you want something cheap they can make it cheap. If you want something high quality they can make it high quality. The "IP" being American is not the factor that enables China to produce a high quality product, especially not a power tool. They know how to make a fucking drill. The premium Chinese drill brands aren't exported to the US because Americans want an expensive product to have an English name. But real companies in China use all Chinese products.

Cfmoto motorcycles are a great example of china's current creative and productive power. That company used to just make copies of Japanese bikes, but in the past few years they've been coming up with completely original designs, and they get high reviews.

>>28604763
High spec Chinese products aren't usually exported to the US. That doesn't mean they don't exist.

>>28602537
VW ID3 is pretty cheap
So is the BYD Seagull
And the entry spec Tesla 3
Renault 5 is REALLY cheap
etc

>500mile range
That is only 700km
Most gas cars have 800-900km gas tank range

>>28601075 (OP)
>If Chinese cars were allowed into the US,

Their lower price won't be as low as you were accustomed it would be. They'd be forced to meet minimum standards, and the USA is full of ambulance chasing lawyers waiting for the Chinese to cut corners by substituting cheap steel for the required alloy steel needed to meat A and B pillar safety requirements.

>>28602040
This but unironically

>>28601100
maybe our government should subsidize useful things like EVs, solar panels, nuclear power plants, healthcare, education, cancer drugs, etc. rather than subsidize israel, wars on behalf of israel, and covering up all 500+ members of congress raping children on a mossad honeypot island.

>>28601075 (OP)
>1/2 of our domestic producers would be bankrupt by Friday afternoon.
They really wouldn't, lots of people (rightfully) don't trust chinese cars, even if the ones sold in the EU and the US are better quality than chinese ones, it's still too much of a gamble with so much money.
Plus, all people who have the least severe of issues with their cars have to wait like half a year to get their cars repaired, with another brand you'd have it in a week.

I just want America to legalize kei cars

>>28601092
That is the "$3k more and something more trustworthy" option

>>28602276
It's the Wawa gas station model, if you have any of them near you. Buy a corner somewhere, build a gas station and sell fuel at a loss cheaper than nearby stations, wait until other stations close, then jack the prices. Growing up in the mid Atlantic I saw it happen several times. Still gonna buy hoagies though.

>>28601785
I guess that's how China is able to

>>28601075 (OP)
It's easy selling so many cars when you have cheap slave labour without safety standards and tons of cheap raw materials you mine from africa.

>>28601086
It would be easier finding a brand NOT using chinese labor or "internationally sourced materials" AKA Made in China lol

>>28601275
>rust
Can't you just paint the metal if that is such a big issue? I know pick-up do it on the underside of the bed.

>>28604763
They are still made in China lol

>>28612284
How many posts in are we now? 200? and you fucking retards still don't know the difference between "made in China" and buying from a Chinese brand?

>>28601740
That’s what Obama did in a lightweight version with GM and they had some of their best years ever.
But economically, it’s a race to the bottom.
Better to just vampirize their subsidy bux with tariffs than play a game of who can run the money printer faster.

>if the market was flooded with cheap chinkshit local producers would be hurt
wow, amazing stuff here.

Lol fuck China

>>28601075 (OP)
how do you think the US destroyed the UK car manufacturing early on genius.

>>28606194
banks dont care, they want you financing not owning

>>28606746
this, they fold like tin foil in an accident. I like China, but their cars aren't something I'd want to drive in. I wouldn't even want it on my countrys roads. The frame is made of tinfoil

>>28601275
>but are much cheaper
somewhat cheaper. a BYD Dolphin costs ~23k euros while a VW ID.3 is ~29k and it is a bigger and better car.

>>28612287
That's expecting too much from normies.

>>28614674
imagine learners having to drive these death traps knowing full well if they fuck up they're goners until they've proven competent enough to drive a normal car with all the nannies and airbags they could ever dream of

>>28609519
those cars aren’t available in the free world

>majority of consumers wants new EVs
>teslas fucking sucks, lucid and rivian are delusional with their, slate is only for a minority of amputee transgender midgets from indonesia
>yuropoors don't know how to build a car anymore
>mutts refuses to build EVs and voted for the retarded who thinks they're still in the 1950s
Wow. What a surprise that China is leading the way on this segment. I wonder who's going to win.
The next 3 years are going to be fun.

>>28612287
chink cars are rusting from inside out, you can cover outside layer but the rust will progress inside frame until critical failure

>>28614685
>somewhat cheaper

chinky omoda 5 with all options costs the same as base corolla in europe

>>28606746
>>28614674

there's something weird in their cars, at crashes they don't colapse like normal cars

they have a hidden frame or something that limits energy absorption - at crash test videos these cars at first compress like they should be but after wall reaches front wheel - the compression stops.

https://youtu.be/NKR0Pw91rG4?t=27

nobody in europe really knows what's going on because these cars are not tested by european NCAP (your's IIHS). Why we don't test them? Because there's a supercar loophole. If manufacturer sells less than X amount of same model (something like 1000) then they don't have to do the tests and chinese "tests" are enough to have green light for sales.

-but there are thousands of chink cars?
every few months they change the names of sold cars. Today in documents the car is sold as Chinky Steer, tomorrow Chinky Steer-5, friday will be Chinky Steer-5plus

>>28614858
>there's something weird in their cars, at crashes they don't colapse like normal cars
Funnily enough, the Euro NCAP just tested a Chinese MG 3 2025 hatchback. It indeed did not fail like a normal car.
The adjustment mechanism for the driver's seat broke on one side in the frontal collision test and the seat turned in its mountings, smashing the dummy driver's leg.
They are now considering changing their scoring system because they've never seen a structural failure like that in the history of Euro NCAP. They don't have a rule that would penalize the car for that, so the car got 4 stars for its otherwise ok-ish frontal collision performance, fairly good protection in other tests and ticking many random safety feature boxes (which the current scoring probably overvalues).
The airbag also didn't inflate fast enough to prevent the driver's head from touching the wheel through it, though it probably softened the impact somewhat.

https://www.euroncap.com/en/press-media/press-releases/mg-3-receives-four-stars-but-suffers-rare-and-serious-seat-failure-in-euro-ncap-crash-test/

>>28615215
amazing, so not only these cars do not absorb crash energy but create new hazards on collision

>>28601418
Isn't Saudi Arabia pissed at China for selling them shitty anti drone lasers?
The BRICS shit is just a pathetic mask they wear while stabbing each other in the balls. Actually rather hilarious.

>>28601740
>>28602202
>>28612119
because "print enough money to make everyone a millionaire" is a surefire way to bankrupt a nation. China's economy is propped up by American consumption and a real estate bubble.

>>28616168
The magic of refined chinesium. Wonder where else in the car they used it.

>>28604758
>>28604431

>>28601740
>Why don't we just subsidize our car brands then?
France does and they churn out shit, the USA have bailed out domestic automakers several times.

>>28616635
>>28614858
>>28601275


i know you won't understand shit from this video so just focus on images okay?

https://streamable.com/ijca5r

Car has been bought 4 months ago. Has only 9500 km ( 5900 miles)

0:44 - first spot where rust was discovered
1:20 - second rust spot
1:51 - second side fender attachment also begins to rust

2:42 BIG STUFF front subframe rust
3:12 second spot of rust at subframe
3:33 strut tower
3:58 rust at welding spots between cabin and engine compartment
5:00 - rust protection made by dealer

>>28601086
>literally using chinese cpu in chinese computer built on chinese router/wire network to communicate with other folks on their chinese cpu chink computers on a chinese cartoon forum
>"cHiNeSE sTUfF bAD!"
p.s. most folks use Chinese tools. Just because it has some US brand slapped on it doesn't mean it doesn't contain chinese parts or aren't completely made in china.

>>28601740
What china does is not subsidizing. They just give money with the purpose of reducing production costs. They pay per produced vehicule.
What we do in the civilised world though is just give incentives for car makers to build factories and create jobs.
It's "we'll give you rebates and subsidies to build a factory here so you don't go to mexico/turkey" vs "we are going to just give you money specifically so every car you produce costs 50% less".