Thread 28602720

Okay this may be a problem. I wish I had parking lot to buy.

and i thought i had it bad having to street park on the side of the road. what even is this?

>>28602748
That's how East Europe live. This isn't worst scenario, Ukraine or Romania are worse.

>>28602758
damn, i feel so fucked for always complaining about having to street park now. at least they don't get towed for random reasons and extorted by the towing company, right? hopefully they are at least spared this.

>>28602764
Lol they do getvtowed

>>28602764
>>28603326
The way some of those are parked, they deserve to get towed.

At least the playground/gym and lawn haven't turned into a mess of overgrown grass, mud and randomly parked rustheaps yet. Many of the crumbling Russian commieblocks I've seen on Street View seem to have ended up like that.
I suppose if you live in a place like that for long enough, you eventually stop caring.

>>28603357
>The way some of those are parked, they deserve to get towed
There's no other options usually

>>28603357
>Many of the crumbling Russian commieblocks I've seen on Street View
Google is bad source in this regard. Anyway, usually after renovation it looks like this

>>28603357
>The way some of those are parked, they deserve to get towed.
the idea is that the owners of the cars blocking others wake up early and get out of the way before it become a problem. if they dont, theyll end up with slashed tires, broken mirrors, or sugar in their gas tank.
t. eastern yuro

>>28603562
what a nightmare life is

>>28603557
Yeah, I've seen some relatively good looking places too. I suppose the misery is not equally distributed.

>>28603562
>the idea is that the owners of the cars blocking others wake up early and get out of the way
My neighbours know each other. A txt will get things re-aranged in a civilized manner..

>>28603569
Usually there's no other options

>>28602720 (OP)
Largest country on Earth and still no space to park.
>>28604079
What about moving out of fucking Moscow? What about not buying apartments in high rises with no supporting infrastructure?

>>28602720 (OP)
Most traffic and parking issues are entirely solved by buying a bike. Just ride carefully and make sure your shit doesn't get stolen. Actually the better solution is leaving the city.

>>28604083
>What about moving out of fucking Moscow
That's definitely not Moscow

>>28604115
Leaving city? Why? What should do in countryside?

Imagine riding bikes in snow

>>28604121
St. Petersburg, I don't care
Plenty of cities with less pop density but retards go to the most populated ones then whine how populated it is in there

>>28604128
>Imagine riding bikes in snow
Not him but that's cooler both figuratively and literally, if it's the actual snow not dirty sludge we're talking about. I bought my first set of studded Nokian tires for my mountain bike way before I did that for my truck.

>>28604190
You know it's not like that

>>28604128
I don't have to imagine (shit was SO cash)

this is the saviors of the white race ?

really the only way to have adiquate parking for commie blocks is to make it a norm in society for families to share a car, possibly even with in-laws or friends.
you can't fucking have 1,200 loaded apartments and 100 parking spaces and expect it to work.

>>28606433
Is there any problems?

>>28606439
It's the same for Europe in general. And Asia. And everywhere except North America

>>28606388
Outside of big cities it is like that, anon. You don't even have to move to the actual countryside.

>>28606439
They built shitloads of garages too.

>>28606439
No, make first several storeys into parking and put that into the building codes to make it a norm.
Or, better, fucking forbid commie blocks right next to each other or at all by limiting density and height like other countries do.
>>28607028
Yes, and those are being removed to free up space for even more commieblocks. The problem is that commieblocks are the most lucrative to build and sell, everyone except the common man profits from them tremendously.

>>28604174
because the entire russian economy is centered around moscow. moscow and the rest of russia are two separate entities. most big companies have their headquarters in moscow and in turn pay taxes to moscow, so all the money stays there even if said companies have operations all over russia. so basically you have a choice-either suck cock and work for an africa-tier salary in some random russian city, or move to moscow and earn 5 times that. thats why its so overpopulated. but, surprisingly, there are shitloads of cheap land you can buy to build a house (even in moscow suburbs), but people still choose to buy ridiculously overpriced flats in those retarded high rise houses and enjoy the night are that is in the op's pic (its far from the worst that ive seen btw). I guess the soviet mentality is alive and kicking still

>>28607032
How moving closer to work that pays times better is
>soviet mentality
I wonder?
If people really follow the corporations, and the corpos are headquartering themselves in Moscow to pay taxes there while operating everywhere, you first should blame the entity receiving taxes while allowing them to operate like that, then the corpos, and only after that you can blame people.
Another problem with your post is most people don't really get
>5 times
the salary just by moving to Moscow, but a lot of retards think it's true.

>>28607038
>How moving closer to work that pays times better is
what Im saying is that there is lots of cheap land in Russia, yet many people willingly choose to live in commieblocks, even if its now moscow. And even in moscow (at least in its suburbs) you can find quite a lot of land or ready-made houses that are cheaper or equal to the price of an apartment. One of the reasons why apartments in those monstrous are as overpriced as theya re is because a lot of poepel dont even consider alternatives. They are supposed to be the most affordable housing option, yet prices for them are approaching prices for houses in america. The "successful businessmen" make ridiculous profits from them, while (You) suck cock and drown in debt for the rest of your life to afford living in concrete hell.
>If people really follow the corporations, and the corpos are headquartering themselves in Moscow to pay taxes there while operating everywhere, you first should blame the entity receiving taxes while allowing them to operate like that
You can thank "great reformers" like yeltsin and putin for that
>5 times
well it may be a stretch but in some cases it can be as much as 5 times. comparing salaries in moscow and in some muhosransk can make you think its two different countries, and well it kind of is the case really

>>28607041
>what Im saying is that there is lots of cheap land in Russia, yet many people willingly choose to live in commieblocks, even if its now moscow.
The problem is, leaving in commieblocks is easy mode. Yes, you don't have a parking space, a garage and a workshop, but you don't have to deal with a lot of other stuff either. You just pay a company managing the building, electricity/heating/water is also their responsibility, so as cleaning snow and ice around the said building. You can somewhat free your mind from all that. Life in Russia is hard as it is, bothering common people with loads of bullshit has been a part of the policy for decades (if not a century), so that people having too much stuff on their minds won't participate in the political life. To keep things on topic, it's common to have summer dachas to get away from the city on weekends or during vacation, people set up workshops there, work on their cars and so on.
> you can find quite a lot of land or ready-made houses that are cheaper or equal to the price of an apartment.
Starting price might be, but you'd spend significantly more money and effort to keep the house in shape compared to an apartment, especially in a region with freezing temps half the year. Same reason most people have only summer dachas: it costs substantially more to make them winter-proof and keep them that way.

>>28607081
>artesian well
>temperature insulation
>septic tank
>lpg heating
whats hard or expensive about this?

>>28607125
Everything needs regular maintenance and eventually breaks down, requiring either immediate repairs or a backup/fallback system (that requires maintenance as well). In an apartment it "just works" because all maintenance is someone else's responsibility and it's centralized, so for example there is a single boiler system for the entire commieblock (or even multiple buildings) with repair crew available 24/7/365. Same for the insulation, you only have to insulate the exterior walls for each apartment, and even if it failed for some reason in one of them, pipes won't be damaged because all neighboring apartments would retain heat.

>>28602720 (OP)
Are you living in tarkov?

>>28607138
Tarkov is modeled rather realistically desu: people kill each other over loot they hoard, then comes the wipe removing all valuables from their possession and the vicious cycle starts again.

>>28604083
and what does any barren land out in montana have to do with traffic in boston when that's where your and all those other people's business is?

>>28607940
Boston is less than a million population in a country of 340 million
Moscow is 13+ million officially and about 20+ unofficially in a country of 140 million
Don't think they are comparable, but tell me, how bad is parking in Boston?

>>28608029
replace 'montana' and 'boston' with literally any other places in the world
did you know that all the human civilization all over the world covers only 2% of the earth's surface?
It's never a space issue, it's always an organization issue
Like people always setting things down around the places they work or move, which immediately fill up, and so they become 'cluttered' and unable to move or work, while everywhere else is empty, because they can't organize

>>28608090
I'm arguing that having more than 10% of your entire population cramped in a single city that takes less than 0.00005 of the total country area is highly unusual (and even hilarious because it's the largest country on fucking Earth), you probably won't find anything close in any other country. It is an organization issue, most definitely.
>human civilization all over the world covers
Define "covers"

>>28608090
it's prolly moreso a problem with institutional poverty, and the inability for the majority of these people to afford their own parking space without having to also forgo their groceries for the month. parking spaces/personal garages in these places are not likely included in the monthly rent, so it becomes more of an incentive for the poor person who lives there to streetpark and hope for the best. like me, a person who does live in america. in addition, when one streetparks, one must contend with road maintenances, tickets from the police, and towtrucks which add to the financial strain and may even prevent one from finding a valid place to streetpark to begin with.

cars are a source of income for people like towtruck drivers and even thieves. schlomo and tyrone knows joe schmoe has a job to cover the fees incurred from having to repair a broken window, or rescue their car from a towing lot, but even if not, schlomo will be able to profit by auctioning off their towed car when the fees are unable to be paid, and tyrone will be able to profit, as long as he is not caught by the authorities, which is more than likely in low income areas with improper surveillance and more important crimes to deal with. schlomo, in addition, has the blessing of the city to be able to conduct his extortion of the peasants because he gives them a slice of that pie, which all but adds to the incentive to fuck these poor people over.

to imply that this is solely an organizational issue ignores the harsh reality of wealth inequality that these people (me) go through daily.

>>28608109
a very generous and inclusive definition of 'urbanized'
there are plenty of places like singapore or tokyo or whatever that are even more densely populated that don't have these problems
it's always an organization issue
like i said, it doesn't matter how much space there is anywhere else in the world when your business in this world is in one place in this world
space in other places is irrelevant to your business, your organization in your place is relevant to your business
'i need more space' is the eternal cry of the disorganized
no matter how much space they have, they will always 'run out of space', because they are disorganized
no matter where they go, they will always just turn it into more unusable space, because they are disorganized

>>28602720 (OP)
>mass transit centric urban design meets modern wealthy car usage
This is the most "we need a parking garage" pic I have ever seen. They should bulldoze the playground and ball courts and build a parking garage, and the old parking lot can be tuned into a new playground. Either that or underground car parking.

>>28608126
The answer to this is to just not have a car and use a scooter or motorcycle like any other poor person would do. Some of you people need to see how actual poor people live in the third world. A car is a luxury item. Motorized transportation is not anymore, with even poor Africans having access to cheap mopeds.

>>28609097
>They should bulldoze the playground and ball courts and build a parking garage, and the old parking lot can be tuned into a new playground. Either that or underground car parking.
They have been building underground garages below playgrounds for a decade or two, not sure if they do now. Still not enough parking spots as a general rule and prone to being flooded.

once again, japan does it better
on-street parking is almost nonexistent over there because of the prevalence of purpose-built car parks of all sizes, even ones that can only fit two or three cars
if the shopping cart test is the litmus test for personal ethics, then the car park test is the litmus test for civilised cities

>>28607031
Baaad

>>28607031
>make first several storeys into parking
Im actually seeing this more often in new construction in the U.S.
Well, just the first floor but its a start.

>>28604174
What people should do in rural Russia? It's even more shit than mountain region in the US

>>28610085
>Plenty of cities with less pop density
>rural
Nigger you can't fucking read and I'm not even writing in Russian

>>28607028
They don't. That's mostly Soviet legacy

>>28607027
What I gonna do there?

>>28610903
>That's mostly Soviet legacy
Well. yeah. Who do you think built the fucking commie blocks anon?

>>28607041
>what Im saying is that there is lots of cheap land in Russia, yet many people willingly choose to live in commieblocks, even if its now moscow.
What you gonna do in countryside?

>>28607041
The land is cheap because you can't do anything productive with it. Russian "countryside" is permafrost and bogs.

>>28609440
They won't build things like that.

>>28610923
> The land is cheap because you can't do anything productive with it. Russian "countryside" is permafrost and bogs.
Not permafrost, but it's really really nothing to do there. No work, no ways of making money, no medicine etc.

>>28610904
What can you do?

>>28610909
>implying no commie blocks have been built during the last 35 years

>>28611367
The commies are long gone, anon. Replaced with whatever the fuck this ideology is.

>>28611367
>implying no commie blocks have been built during the last 35 years
It's interesting how they still build them, shinier and possibly even better built, but often the overall development looks even less designed for human life than what the commies could manage.
On the outskirts of any large-ish city, they slowly build this sprawl of towering high-rises with very little parking or any other services. I don't think that's even caused by a lack of space, as the fancy new buildings are often surrounded by vacant lots, abandoned construction projects, rotting old cottages, trash piles and very low-density industry. It's as if the land value was near zero, or absolutely no thought went into the overall development/zoning of the area---beyond packing as many apartments in there as possible.
I suppose someone must actually want to live in them, and someone must be making a profit from these projects.

>>28611389
>The commies are long gone, anon.
Nah, there was no removal of ex-commies from positions of power (in probably any ex-Warsaw Pact state).

>>28611476
Key difference being that commies built them to house people, and the guys in charge now are building them to fund another yacht for the owner of the construction company.

>>28611491
Not sure if commies viewed their citizens as people

The idiotic commies didnt anticipate mass car ownership. Thankfully new buildings are made with parking in mind. Also where i live (Bulgaria) the concrete garages are being demolished since they are a massive eye sore and were never legal.

>>28607129
Unless these houses were built like absolute dogshit in the first place (which they probably were let's be real) you are not constantly blowing money on immediate repairs and maintenance. Sure you might have to do regular yardwork in the 3 warmer seasons to keep your property clean and cared for, and in the winter shovel/blow snow but you are way overstating it.
I own a home and though it's from the 60's and fairly original besides the appliances, everything fucking works and I just upgrade and renovate as my finances allow to make it nicer, not out of necessity.
Home ownership is a bit of work, yes, but you are way overstating it. Unless you are a handless fucking retard, most if not all improvements/repairs (including electrical, plumbing and HVAC/gas) can be done on your own, but evidently like the other anons have said the Soviet mindset of letting some peasant taking care of your problems and not giving a shit about your property is still engrained in those people

>>28611604
It's Russia we're talking about. -30 degrees Celsius is not unusual around Moscow (which is kind of mid in terms of the climate) in winter, as well as a sudden foot of snow. Any heating system failure means not only you're going to get cold which is manageable for some time, but water pipes inside your house are gone (and you got an ice rink in your living room as a bonus). Most heating systems need electrical power, and external supply can fail as well, so you need a backup and you have to maintain/repair it.
>Unless these houses were built like absolute dogshit in the first place (which they probably were let's be real)
Agreed, many such cases. Add transitions through zero (Centigrade) combined with water in various forms, those are hard on probably anything, so you have to maintain your shit unless you want it to crack.
>in the winter shovel/blow snow
Snow blower costs money and requires maintenance (I see a number of non-starts at my neighbors every winter), a shovel is fine if you're in decent physical shape (and anyone could fall ill) and have an hour of time to spare, and all that still leaves the question of cleaning the road outside your plot.
>Unless you are a handless fucking retard
And have lots of time and money.
>including electrical, plumbing and HVAC/gas
For gas I'm not sure if you are even allowed to touch it, it's regulated and inspected. Electrical requires studying the code to not fuck shit up, plumbing is a bit easier to not burn the house down accidentally at least.
>Soviet mindset of letting some peasant taking care of your problems and not giving a shit about your property is still engrained in those people
Shoving a thousand people into a single building is plainly cheaper on maintenance per each person, and way easier too, because it's in a city with centralized water/waste, electrical and heat connections. Soviet mindset has little to do with expenses, other countries build high-rise apartment buildings too.

>>28602720 (OP)
All this mass surveillance and they can't even work out a system to find a vacant parking spot near your destination.

>>28611674
Depending on how lazy the property development was, there might be some parking space nearby. Likely going to be a mud pit during autumn and late spring, though.
Hey, if you don't fill it with cars, someone will dump their trash there and that shit stinks more than the car (probably).

>>28611495
Enough to make a passable attempt at housing them all, at least.

>>28611669
Do you really need redundancy like that? This is interesting to me because I'm from Canada where it also can get fairly cold and I'm also in the suburbs of a major city yet id have no issue getting a technician to fix my central heating furnace or hot water tank in the winter should it ever go out. Is heating/electrical failing such a common occurrence that you need backups?
I fully understand winter, I shovel all the snow off my driveway and walkways myself, but we definitely don't get as much as Moscow. We can get some cold nights into -30C as well but I've never had issues besides gas for heating costing me a lot of money lol
>And have lots of time and money.
Trust me anon I do not have either, I just do most work myself because I have the knowledge. Paying someone to fix or do work here for you is insanely expensive, it's tiring but I usually do most stuff on weekends or after my 9-5 job when I come home
>Electrical requires studying the code to not fuck shit up
Insanely simple to run wire and connect it to the right places, it just seems intimidating at first
>For gas I'm not sure if you are even allowed to touch it, it's regulated and inspected.
"Technically" we aren't allowed to either but hey it's my house I can do what I want inside it. I just can't fuck with the meter outside.
>in a city with centralized water/waste, electrical and heat connections.
Do the suburbs not have centralized water supply and electricity at the bare minimum? Gas is fairly standard here too but waste/sanitary is less common the further out of the city you are.

>>28611888
Most canadians live below 50 degrees latitude. Most russians live well above that. It's a different level of cold.

>>28611888
>Do you really need redundancy like that?
You could manage without, as a lot of people do, but it's more risky (besides comfort and health you're risking damage to your house, fixing that damage might cost more than redundancy). No such risks in an average apartment building, or they are significantly lower.
>have no issue getting a technician to fix my central heating furnace or hot water tank in the winter
>Paying someone to fix or do work here for you is insanely expensive
It's a bit different: labor is cheaper, but a competent technician is really hard to find, and it could also be hard to get one fast, especially if there's a number of houses in the area with similar problems. So DIYing saves time in the first place, not money.
>Insanely simple to run wire and connect it to the right places
It's not rocket science but not "insanely simple" either if you want to do it right (otherwise you risk burning your house down while you're at work or something like that). You have to get correct interrupting devices, right wires, install and connect everything properly, and that's for the simplest consumers. Becomes less trivial with backup generation/storage systems and automation, with 3-phase consumers (like heating systems) and so on. Usually there's a country-specific building/electrical code describing how to do that properly that requires a bit of effort to comprehend, Canada probably has one too.
>Do the suburbs not have centralized water supply and electricity at the bare minimum?
They usually do, but there's a lot more of pipes/wires between your plot and the substation, and it usually takes more time and effort to get them fixed (also there would be fewer angry citizens calling authorities, so lower priority). Waste/sewerage access is sometimes available in/close to the city limits, otherwise people use septic tanks. Gas sometimes costs ridiculous money to connect to, and is not that common.
Nice trips, btwdesu.
>>28611946
Correct.

>>28610257
Everything is not Moscow is low density. Everything below 1m population is a rural

>>28610909
OP pic wasn't built in Soviet times. Moreover, that's even different techniques of building.

>>28611394
>ossibly even better built, but often the overall development looks even less designed for human life than what the commies could manage.
Because even Canada building them. It's economics.

>>28611498
>The idiotic commies didnt anticipate mass car ownership.
This is not Soviet building by any means

>>28610257
This anon >>28612625 is right.
Everything that isn't Moscow or St. Petersburg is rural.

>>28612640
This

>>28612640
>>28612625
>Everything not overcrowded to the balls is a fucking countryside

>>28607138
Tarkov is just modeled fairly faithfully off modern Russian cities. Interchange, for example, is a real mall somewhere close to Moscow, the resort on Shoreline is also a real resort around St. Petersburg (although it's abandoned now, IIRC), Customs is some random backwater industrial area etc

>>28612920
Yes

>>28602720 (OP)
>basketball courts instead of playgrounds
it's already over for you and your family

>>28613498
> it's already over for you and your family
Russia dont have nigaz

>>28613016
Lol

>>28613756
They do actually.

>>28614007
That's fake and gay

>>28602720 (OP)
>living in a city

>>28614880
>fake and gay
sounds like Russia alright

>>28614880
Cope zigger.

>>28614906
Imagine fighting russia on /o/ (99,95% US board).

>>28613498
Go outside you mentally ill freak

>>28615046
kek

>>28602720 (OP)
Whose bright idea was it to put dozens of unoccupied cars next to a cage full of car thieves?

Holy fuck that urban planner should be in prison.

>>28615305
The car thieves can't steal the cars if it's impossible to drive them out of their parking spots.

>>28615353
surely they wouldn't dare drive up onto a curb or a....GRASS LAWN?

>>28615380
Wouldn't that be against the rules?

>>28615385
dey gud boys dey dindu nuffin jus need mo money fo dem programs

>>28615305
There is no nigas there

>>28614893
So

>>28615353
Kek

>>28615400
No

>>28614906
>>28614007

So

If you can see a basketball court from your window you have WAY bigger problems

>>28602720 (OP)
Multistorey parking garage is the proper solution. The other benefit of a parking garage is that cars are protected against snow, rain, bird poops, direct sunlight when parked. In more technology advanced parking garage the ventilation system could be built to be so effective that it would clean up the tail pipe emissions from cars during driving in/out of the garage.