Thread 28608706

Isn't it just crazy how the car market has flipped upside down? Unremarkable cars like this were $500-$1000 a decade ago. I feel so old.

Yea, life is so competitive now that a vehicle like this is seen as a ticket to making mortgage/rent/health insurance/investment payments vs buying something like a used BMW, going broke and ending up homeless.

>>28608755
Are you suggesting a pre owned bmw is a bad purchase?

>>28608706 (OP)
if you think about it, it's pretty insane that a functioning car would ever be sold for $500. such complex machinery and electronics that cost millions of dollars to realize sold for less than the materials it's made of were worth.

>>28608781
A new one isn't much better.

>>28608706 (OP)
>mfw thought used sienna market would cool down
>they're not depreciating meaningfully until 10 years and 200k miles later
They're supposed to lose half their value in 2 years. What is this chicanery? They're getting scalped harder than pickup trucks.

>>28608813
Amazon drivers.

>>28608706 (OP)
Bro, we had no idea how good we had it. Welcome to the 2020s

>>28608784


It's the cost of not wanting to bother with the trouble of keeping a clapped out vehicle running/getting it to run again. One part going on the fritz takes the value of all the other parts with it.

>>28608819
This, I love my 22 year old car, but you're replacing things, that's why it's value should be nothing is because of the old car-ness of it.

>>28608706 (OP)
my theory is that in the pre 90s era - old cars = massive headaches. So people ditched them. Little did they know that the gen2 Taco or Civic that they had was actually just an engineering marvel that they could run on basic maintenance and never have a car payment again.

>>28608916
Honda marketed the EK Civic in Japan as the 'Miracle Civic'. They knew it was peak.

>>28608916
The 80s-90s cars compared to 2000s cars we're practically 30 years old at the time, go and look at a 1983 Honda carbureted piece of shit, and then go look at a 2003 Honda with nice fuel injection and ignition coils, good aerodynamics, nice materials in a modern interior, it's practically a spaceship, that's why the old cars dropped in value like a rock... then look at that same 2003 Honda 20 years later, people are like ehh, I'll give you $5000 for it, because the car is so goddamn contemporary, especially if it's in good shape

How many actual cars from 20 years ago are worth a shit today though? We only talk about the rare Jap models but the average American or EU shitbox hasn't fared that well. The lowest budget market is also inflated by poor immigrants/Uber drivers.

>first gen tundras are creeping up to 15k with 100k miles

I had a nice one until a nigger ruined it, finding another even near it in condition was a fucking nightmare. It doesn't help craigslist is mostly dead and marketplace is nothing but the lowest IQ monkeys throwing out insane numbers for rusted out shitheaps with 300k or more miles.

>>28608935
Toyota and honda tax is fucking real, but there are deals out there. The GM 3800 models come to mind. Aside from that the vast majority of americans can actually "afford" the lowest budget new car market as-is.

>>28608813
Toyota tax. All other minivans are priced reasonably.

>>28608954
>21k for 2016 honda odyssey with 140k miles
>priced reasonably
kys?

>>28608961
Nah, I'll kill you.

>>28609013
Based Oddy, those MFs are such good value compared to a memover like the Rav4 or the CR-V, which are good vehicles themselves, but everybody's bitch wife wants one so the value goes crazy.

>>28608706 (OP)
It's because new economy cars are no longer economical: neither in their purchase price or the cost to maintain them. People have discovered that the economy car segment is basically used pre 2009 vehicles and prices jumped accordingly.

>>28608706 (OP)
What kind of dream world are you living in? $500-100 cars were always "mechanics specials" and you had to know how to wrench on them. Trust me. All I've ever owned is $500 shitboxes. You have always had to spend at least $5k (in todays money) to get something usable as a daily driver for somebody who can't wrench or can't afford to take it to the mechanic every month. I also don't know why you think $500-1000 cars don't exist. Go to your local auctions and look for cars there. You can get cars that need some work but still run and drive for $1k or less OTD. You could also get off your ass and look at cars in the real world. Notice a car that hasn't moved in 10 years? Respectfully ask the owner or leave a note explaining how you would like to take it off their hands. Also not every car for sale is listed on the internet. Plenty of old people still use this thing called a "for sale sign".

>>28609050
a $500 car then is $1000 car now, the same as a $3000 cars then is a $6000 car now.
Everything costs the same, but the value of money has halved.

>>28609061
If you haven't figured out how to make good money in 2025 you're pretty hopeless.

>>28608935
So 2005 or earlier? C4/C5 Corvettes, E39's, Elises, 997/996's, 987/986's, Pontiac GTO's, TSX Type S, Lincoln Mark VIII, S2000, MR2, Celicas, Cobalt SS, 300/350Z, G35, Evo IV/V/VI/VIII, Mustang Cobra/Mach 1, CTS-V, Impreza WRX STi's, Pajero Evolution, Acura NSX, Mclaren F1.

Some of these will have more legs than others.

>>28608706 (OP)
Normies realized that nu-cars are disposable junk and cars like these are the only way to get somenthing economical that actually lasts

>>28609400
This, imagine being a normie and seeing people with like 2006 Civics having an easier ownership experience than someone with a newer 1.5T Honda or a ford egoboost that's misfiring during cold starts at way below 100,000 miles because coolant is puddling on the pistons when the car sits overnight.

Suddenly 4,5,6 grand for that old ass car with 15-16inch wheels doesn't seem so bad, people are starting to respect and see beauty in the base model that isn't a nightmare when it seldom needs something other than routine maintenance.

>>28609421
kek no one's gonna buy your overpriced 20 year old shitbox pablo
there is nothing easy about a 20 year old car where parts are rarer and rarer by the day

Normies caught on to what mechanics drive, that's all

>>28610370
This, like other Anons said, people know what's up now due to internet, the indestructible Jap shitbox is not some secret life hack anymore, you want that 500,000 mile car (when taken care of) you're gonna pay a fair price for it, the days of "just take it off my hands because everyone is offering me nothing are gone.

>>28608706 (OP)
I don't think these were ever that cheap. I sold my 2000 camry in 2023 for $5000

>>28608706 (OP)
Inflation is a mf, 18k in 2014 is 26k in 2025 ad it only gets worse the further back you go.

>>28610619
They were $2,000 in 2019.

>>28608781
BMW owners aren't exactly known for upkeep.

>>28608961
>>28609013
Snagged a 2016 with 46k miles for 19k. Relative to market I guess it's a good deal. Just cloth interiors because the Florida sun makes leather impossible to have.

>>28608706 (OP)
>a decade ago
No, you just suck at finding deals.

>>28610734
>$1
what are the odds that he's just testing the waters

>>28608706 (OP)
>Car market
You mean the dollar losing 90% of it's value.

>>28608706 (OP)
just buy geo prism

>>28608916
>my theory is
What are you 15 fucking years old.

It's simple.
A car is worth less than the cost of a future repair.
Older a car gets the more the balance shifts over to repair cost.
Eventually a car is near fucking worthless even if it still runs.

Well that's how it USED to be, but now everything with a totally blown out suspension and a transmission on the edge of failure is still being priced in the multi thousands.

>>28611323
90s-2000s cars are less prone to critical failures.

>>28611336
Uh huh sure grandpa.

>>28611342
go suck some tranny dick, spook

>>28611347
I think it's time for your meds and a nap, grandpa.

>>28608706 (OP)
It was sickening that people could get cars without loans. How does the bank make money this way? They can't, so things had to be corrected.

>>28608706 (OP)
>>28608916
Most of the remaining 90s-2000s era USDM Toyotas that dealerships take as trade-ins are sent to auction and subsequently exported to Western Africa and Southeast Asia. I went to Cambodia last year and I was shocked at the amount of USDM cars on the roads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnk-0TEZldM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsRdlrpZT5w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj-drGzy2xg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_XJ5kzeCp8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7xYhYJj8rg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxi4oqeXTcM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHT-Wy7N46Y

>>28611355
they need to go back

so that our toyotas can come back

>>28611355
how crazy is it that these were all so good that they had to ship them out to africa just to get rid of them and get people to buy a new shitbox

>>28608813
Honda and Mazda are Toyota minus the hype. Now go do the sneedful

>>28608706 (OP)
everything is getting worse and more competitive and there's literally no end in sight.

>>28611355
>sent to auction and subsequently exported
This is a fucking crime. When can we hang everyone?

>>28611450
No no no you see it's GOOD that you have to fight every foreigner in the world in hand-to-hand combat to get a job. Also both hands are tied behind your back because it's illegal to fight but only if you're white. You're just not trying hard enough!

>>28611438
>muh awd
That's pretty much why I want the Sienna specifically.

>>28611355
>sent to auction and subsequently exported to Western Africa and Southeast Asia
They also just go to Mexico and never come back.

>>28611336
>>28611347
Just because the car doesn't have a blown out tranny or engine, doesn't mean maintenance doesn't add up, suspension arms, the struts, brakes on both ends seals leaking out, the power steering blowing out of the rack or the pump, 2000s cars are some of the best there are but it can total itself three times over if you're taking it to shops, it just is what it is, that's why if you're gonna pay like 5000 dollars for a 2000s car, it better have some fucking receipts to show people looking after this old piece.

>>28611355
Those prices are unreal. It has to cost at least twice as much to value those for tradein and ship them overseas than the auction pays.
So we're all getting pushed to financial ruin for people who can't get their heads out of their asses, can't stop killing each other for 2 minutes to figure out work ethic and farming, to have a car they can (probably barely) afford.

>>28611569
you're getting pushed to buy an ipad on wheels

>>28608706 (OP)
Bruh, inflation has gone up 4-5X since the 2000s.
Your $1,500 shit box is now $6,000+

You can get this gen Camry for like 16k in the LE trim. I think that's still a pretty good deal.

>>28611715
Based late model Camrys, those things are actually a great deal for what you pay because they're not 6 million years old with a bunch of miles on it like the Accords and Camrys from 20 years ago where people still want silly money like 5-7 grand, meanwhile you double or triple that money to get a 2018 Camry you get like 10x the car because it's younger.

>>28611569
>So we're all getting pushed to financial ruin for people
who want to make money by selling you a new car every few years, or better yet, leasing one
they want you pissed at poor africans you'll never meet so you don't notice them picking your pocket

>>28608813
>They're supposed to lose half their value in 2 years
That's just badge whore brands

>>28608813
>>28611795
Lel the cars do lose a shit ton of value in 2 years, it's just that the poor bastard who bought it new ate that shit come trade in time, got fuckin gamestopped, but then the thing goes on the lot for crazy money.

>>28611789
Fuck off jeet

>>28611919
Yes thats it
direct your anger at the smelly brown people and not the corporations making these decisions

>>28611569
>>28611355
Fwiw Nigeria is the most developed and highest income sub-saharan African country. Much larger population and better economy than either South Africa or even Kenya. It's still a shithole, but they have almost 250 million people in Nigeria alone. They have a middle class, they even have billionaires who choose to live there.

It's a catch-22. I understand why people are upset at the exporting of these reliable used cars, but you're forgetting just how important automotive companies are to the economy of US, Japan, and Europe. If everyone just kept driving these used cars, then new car sales would be even lower than they already are, and the overall economy would be even worse.

Such a boring, affordable, reliable car.
I would still be driving mine if someone hadn’t ran a red light and totaled my Prizm.
Currently driving an 01 Civic.
My next car will likely be another old econobox, despite having the income for a better car.
And maybe the one after that will be a cheap, reliable econobox.

All because I continue living like I’m still poor.

>>28612139
Based, shitboxes just stop depreciating it's hilarious compared to how much money normies lose over shitboxes everyday.

>>28612139
>All because I continue living like I’m still poor.
old habits die hard. quite a few stories of people's depression-era grandparents making it big, living in a gigantic mansion/manor etc. and their pantry is absolutely packed with canned food because they grew up in a house with a dirt floor.

>>28608916
>my theory is that in the pre 90s era - old cars = massive headaches

This is true. Before the 1990s, any car that made it to 100k miles was pretty much considered miraculous. Most odometers didn't even go to 100k miles then, that's when they would reset.

Before the 90s it was normal to buy a brand new car and only have it for 4 or 5 years because after that it would rapidly start to deteriorate and need problems. It's why kids in the 50s and 60s could buy 10 or 15 year old used cars for less than $100

>>28611355
mondays ruin everything, always.
>>28612113
they are only important because they lobbied their way into being set up in that position, it's not sustainable and it's a racket

>>28608950
one of my techs just bought one with 100k miles for like 3500 lmfao. Customer didn't want to buy a fuel pump and the ECU it needed.

>>28614405
Based, it amazes me how easily people will throw shit away for something stupid easy to diagnose even if you don't know shit about cars, ususally you can hear the fuel pump go brrrr when you turn it to on II, but usually normies just slam the key to start so they never prime their shit and hear the pump working.

The last decade has been apocalyptic in terms of beaner migration and inflation. Your $1000 car is well over $2000 and Jose saves up his under the table construction money and buys one about a week or two after he moves here.

>>28614411
This, it's funny watching libruls and cuckservatives try and deduce why things are shit, when the solution is "fuck off, we're full"

>>28614410
The perks of being an advisor for a toyota dealer. Some old lady came in the other week with an 86 MR2 5 speed. with around 100k miles. She wouldn't sell it though. She of course didn't want to pay for anything either, complaint was "Car doesn't drive right, don't want to replace anything." Yeah okay bitch, your fucking driver side rear tire looks a fucking ski slope.

>>28614423
God normies are cancer, it's like they want a mint reliable car but they don't want to spend anything to maintain it as such, I don't know how service people at the dealer even deal with it all day, they're like shocked when you're straightforward and say "oh yeah just drain and fill the transmission or mount these tires and call me thanks" and then pay for it and go, and the worst of it all is when car companies start building unmaintainable cars built at the lowest cost for these kinds of people who don't want to maintain anything, want to run the car maybe 100,000 miles or until the loan is paid off and then shuck it and get another one.

>>28614432
I honestly deal with so much denial everyday that when someone does come in and says "Whatever it needs just do it." it genuinely surprises me like you say; most people come in with the notion that Toyotas are indestructible if you just change the oil. We deal with it because it pays well, you have to be a retard to not make AT LEAST 80k a year in the US as an advisor.

>>28614455
I'm sorry about all the retards Anon, that's why I try to be decent when getting shit done on the car because these people are clearly going through it with certain cuckstomers and still gotta treat everybody fine.

>>28614461
I appreciate it anon, if you were my customer I'd give you some discounts. I'm usually pretty generous when someone is good vibes.

>>28614468
Based, I have been discounted for labor because I come there all the time, it's funny how people come into the dealer or any shop with a bad attitude and expect the most, it's like the worst customers spend the least fucking money and you gotta fire em.

>>28614455
i feel like it's because most of the people that know what their car needs are very likely to be the ones that do it themselves. aside from the peons that think preventative maintenance is a wate of money, you're then left with the few people that know what needs to be done but lack the tools, knowledge or time to fix it, or the uber rich that can happily chuck their keys at you and say "call me when it's ready to pick up"

>my wife needs a car
>cars from early 2000s with 200k+ miles is selling for 5k+
is everyone out there rich af or something?

>>28614491
>the uber rich that can happily chuck their keys at you and say "call me when it's ready to pick up
I do that and I'm not uber rich, work at a fucking store, I just take care of my shit, normies will be bitching about a $189 transmission fluid job so their car stays going into gear, also if you can't afford to maintain your car at the dealer, you probably shouldn't be fucking driving it, because I see that all the time, people driving cars they can't even afford to put tires on, let alone maintain it's fluids and brakes, let alone more extensive stuff like suspension as the miles go up.

>>28608706 (OP)
kash for klunkers and illegals

>>28614505
it just feels like a lot of money whenever i get quoted for anything at the dealer aside from shit that i need yesterday or nobody else has. but i think it's also because i can do the same thing at home so yea.

>>28614505
>>28614525
and probably an element of mistrust too; three times i took my car to a shopz thrrr times it got fucked in some way

>>28614529
>a shopz thrrr times
fuck.
three times i took it to a shop, three times it got fucked

>>28614474
thanks for the free diagnosis sucka

>>28608706 (OP)
What's actually crazy is how you don't understand what inflation is lmao you retard

>>28611546
it's still cheaper than new car bank payment

>>28614872
So true, I'll fix up my worthless ass car all day over financing money on a new car to watch it go down in value, while costing me fucking maintenance.

/biz/fag here, just so you guys know how much those prices convert to

>>28608706 (OP)
Still a $1,200 car if they ask more I just buy something else

>>28611803
>it's just that the poor bastard who bought it new ate that shit come trade in time, got fuckin gamestopped, but then the thing goes on the lot for crazy money
Doesn't help that every fleet buyer wants one too. 36 mpg is hard to beat for a large car.

>>28608706 (OP)
someone apparently paid $9300 for a JDM import model recently

>>28616855
those wheels

>>28611795
True. I remember when the FR86 and BRZ came out. I was convinced, hey, maybe I'll buy a used one in a few years. Ten years later they were still overpriced and selling for 20k for 100k miles. In 2024 at 31 years old I just bought one brand new with no seat farts. I pulled the bags of the seats and shipping tape off the body panels myself.

depreciation is a meme post-clunkers era.

>>28608950
Back around 2009 I bought a 2002 SR5 V6 4X2 with ~70k miles from an old man for $3,000. For as anemic as it was I missed it so much after selling it I found another one about 4 years ago. 2002 Limited 4X4 with 160k for 10k. It was during peak covid so by comparison it wasn't as bad as it sounds.
Shit was clean inside and out, no rust and full service records from day 1. I even managed to find the previous owner and he said he sold it after nearly 10 years because he needed something newer with a crew cab.

In my time of ownership I've had to replace
Timing belt / water pump - this is normal maintenance for the 2UZ
The entire front suspension, CVs, Struts, control arms, etc
Power steering lines
Radiator and hoses
Valve cover gaskets
Both rear axles, including the brakes
Power window regulators
Full repaint - The clear coat gave out about 2 years into ownership
Headlight assemblies - Oxidized entirely
Fog light assemblies - Both oxidized and would fill with water

At this point I'm in too deep so I guess I'm keeping this truck for life. Even Toyotas have problem with age.

>>28608813
Minivans have always been like that because people buy them for utility not status. They don’t sell them till they’re totally clapped out and/or their kids are grown. They don’t trade it in after 3 years to get the new one.
My parents were super frugal and they always bought minivans new because there are no good used ones. Except maybe ones that were rentals.

>>28612186
>Before the 1990s, any car that made it to 100k miles was pretty much considered miraculous. Most odometers didn't even go to 100k miles then.
The first part’s not true, plenty of cars rolled over their odometer. The 5 figure odometer was just a psy-op by manufacturers.

>>28612139
based

>>28616855
retarded

>>28617262
There's plenty of really low mileage ones, which makes me think that people got in hot water over a new car and had to return it or sell it back at a loss.

>>28612153
I fall back on eggs, peanut butter, and whey protein because it kept me full for cheap. Now I eat it because it's easy when im lazy. Why prepare a meal when I can have a whey shake, spoonful of peanut butter, and my multivitamins?

>>28617266
Seven figure odometer when?

>>28618816
We might have to with how America is turning into Cuba where we just drive the same car forever

>>28611347
Hello Polan. I need a new exhaust, mine's scheduled to fall down at any time now.

>>28616855
Imagine paying $9300 for a $1000 car just because it's jdmy0

>>28619806
This, literally paying a premium just to be that goofy mf who pulls up to the drive thru just to be the one retard on the wrong side.

>>28619806
>Imagine
Don't need to, someone did it, and someone else will as well. It's like Pokemon card speculation.

>>28619811
>who pulls up to the drive thru just to be the one retard on the wrong side
I think the issue is that people keep importing cars that aren't that special. Now, there are cost constraints but they certainly do not make the money work for them.

>>28608706 (OP)
This is the recession in action. People expect cars to lose value, but in reality it pushes the value of good used cars up because the lower middle class can't afford to spend more anymore.

>>28608706 (OP)
you can still get a a shitbox for $500 if you know where to look and can fix basic things

>>28620056
The funny part is that their APR on a late model used car could very likely place them in a worse position than if they just bought a new car instead. Used car prices have also inflated to the point where it's a terrible deal for anything above a midsize car.

All signs are pointing towards just leaving the auto market alone for this year. Anyone that has to buy right now are about to get mugged at a dealership.
>recession
Everyone's screaming this from the rooftops, which means that it's been ongoing for a few years anyways. How long it lasts is up for question, but data indicates stagflationary economic activity, which means that any move to try to resolve it is just going to make things worse one way or the other. Question is what kind of shit sandwich are people willing to take a bite out of, because if they don't choose something, they'll be eating two for the price of four instead of only one.

>>28618830
The money done brokededed. It doesn't buy things and people keep trying to throw it at anything that it could possibly be used on.

>>28619811
>>28619920

>>28620371
Ameriboos are weird.

>>28620371
Somewhere out there, a Japanese car salesman is closer to getting a nose enlargement to become the jew he was supposed to incarnate as.

>>28608706 (OP)
>looking for running, driving cars on marketplace
>almost always $4k minimum
>bushings and mounts are always thrashed. Something usually leaking.
I really wish the market would respond more steeply to suspension problems outside of powertrain issues or crash damage. Replacing a full set of bushings is almost as expensive as a new engine in labor.

>>28621451
This, people get this idea in their head that a Honda or Toyota has a healthy engine and transmission and think it's worth crazy money, and you get people massively overpaying for it because they don't understand that the rest of the car needs thousands of dollars of attention with it's bushings, struts that have never been done, possible re-sealing of things being needed, motor or tranny mounts being shot and needing replaced, entire cooling system needing re-done because 20+ years old and might be leaking and definitely aged out, and who knows what the fuck else, as great as old cars are, they have old car needs, which should make it worth next to nothing because things add up like crazy, $4-5K better be a well maintained car that's got receipts for major work and needs very little if at all because maintenance is a fucking bitch.

Converting a GT to US-spec lol

Filipinos converting theirs to euro spec lol

>>28621451
Issue is that suspension parts look cheap, so it must be cheap, right?

If you know how to /diy/, it's an excellent weekend fix. If /diy/ isn't an option, it's absolutely ruinous to outsource it because it takes so much time.