Thread 28619598

can i get a QRD on whch japanese brands are the most reliable OTHER than toyota?

>>28619598 (OP)
Lexus

>honda/acura
excellent fun well engineered driving vehicles. they give you the technology you'd find in german cars in a more affordable better built reliable package.
>Shitsubishi
Made one of the greatest poorfag vehicles of the modern era. the rest of their lineup is meh, but the Mirage is the car /o/ has been crying for and is highly underrated.
>Nigsan/Infinity
Nissan Hit or miss. Infinity is good. best RWD platforms of the jap brands. Infinity in general is pretty slept on. no one seems to really talk about their lineup.
>Mazda
shitboxes with tarted up interiors. not bad, but don't fall for the marketing. they're no different than the other cheap brands.
>poobaru
not bad, either. but the maintenance and fuel consumption cost will be much higher do to permanent AWD. AWD is the only reason to buy poobaru, otherwise, get anything else and avoid the boxer bullshit.
>Shitsuzki
jeet brand not sold in ameria

toyota is not reliable

>>28619598 (OP)
What type of car are you looking for exactly. Also are you in the US because they don't sell Suzukis in the states anymore.

>>28619608
>excellent fun well engineered driving vehicles.
honda hasn't made a fun vehicle in 20 years
>made one of the greatest poorfag vehicles of the modern era.
are we ignoring the only actual interesting car mitsubishi made and instead praising a fucking horrible meme like the mirage?
>Nissan Hit or miss. Infinity is good. best RWD platforms of the jap brands. Infinity in general is pretty slept on
oh you're like 15 years old and weren't even a teenager when the evo stopped production, no wonder your takes are so fucking garbage
>shitboxes with tarted up interiors. not bad, but don't fall for the marketing.
see above
>not bad, either. but the maintenance and fuel consumption cost will be much higher
what the fuck are you talking about?
>jeet brand not sold in ameria
I guess 1 for 6 isn't the worst score possible at least, except the samurai is one of the most loved offroaders ever made

>>28619598 (OP)
>acura (+honda)
boring grocery getters but pretty reliable. type R is ugly ricer shit but decently fun. eg/eks are fun but overpriced. s2k is fun but overpriced. integra is basically the same civics. NSX is unobtanium if you're asking this question.
>infiniti (+nissan)
Zs, S chassis, and Skylines are good. Everything else is nigger-tier trash. Pretty good reliability. 350/370/nuZ are all very similar cars that are sadly mostly driven by mexicans, but are actually solid GT cars.
R32-34 are good but overpriced as fuck
G35/37 (these are included in skylines) are good but again very mexican and hard to find in manual
s13-15 are overpriced but the best drift cars on the planet
>mitsubishi
Evo is the only good car they made and are overpriced with nonexistant part availability. 4g63 is unkillable and pretty reliable, the rest of the fleet sucks. 3kgt is heavy and unreliable, eclipse is gay, everything else is shit.
>mazda
All miatas are good. Protege5/Mazda 3s are good. Very reliable and fun. All their rotary powered cars are cool but overpriced and fuck no for reliability. Rx8 is the worst of the bunch but actually makes a decent drift car.
>subaru
Keep it stock. WRX gets worse every single generation. Decent reliability IF YOU KEEP IT STOCK. Stop fucking modifying your subaru.
Only NA engines in the early 2000s had the head gasket issue people parrot endlessly.
>suzuki
who? Samurai/jimny is cool but kind of expensive and awful for road use, okay reliability. Not sold in the US outside of motorcycles. Older stuff is all shit outside of the samurai.

Toyota really is the GOAT for fun and grocery getters and reliability.

>>28619950
also a note on the 4g63, DSM era ones WILL grenade themselves eventually. They will develop crank walk and you will have to shell out thousands for a later gen engine. There's a reason most evo IVs have a 5/6/etc engine in it by now.

>>28619934
>honda hasn't made a fun vehicle in 20 years
their lineup still shits on everyone else, with the exception of Toyota, who's only non-shit sports car is a BMW.
>are we ignoring the only actual interesting car mitsubishi made
What's more interesting than an affordable spartan smol car which /o/ claims to so desperately want? who gives a shit about some turd that gets spanked by pony cars and hasn't been relevant since it left WRC.
>oh you're like 15 years old
says the nigger crying about some piece of shit because he watched the fast and the furious and not what actually matters in the world.
>see above
see above
>what the fuck are you talking about?
are you retarded or can't read past that sentence?
>except the samurai is one of the most loved offroaders ever made
by who, people who've never heard of Jeep?

>>28619598 (OP)
Toyota is not really that great anymore, they're riding off a reputation their 80s-90s cars had.

Honda tries but still isn't even much better than nu-toyota.

Subaru has made their cars incredibly slow and they're inherently not too reliable because of the boxer engines and CVTs. A big issue is these Jap brands are being forced to change their old reliable tech to make fuel economy regulations, so the new tech isn't as reliable. In Subaru's case, their boxer engines were never reliable so they decided to just underpower the shit out of them so they wouldn't blow head gaskets, and now that they also have CVTs for cost savings/fuel economy boost, they have to make sure that doesn't blow up too. The point of the boxer engine was to have a fun car, now that they're slow there's no reason for the less reliable engine. They need to switch to online engines and boost their speed up again.

Mazda is almost Nissan tier but dresses their cars up nicely. The worst part is their programming, they're definitely having retarded jeets program their cars because it's awful. From having to go through multiple menus to change the radio station, to your required automatic braking safety bullshit detecting a car in the lane next to you and auto slamming on the brakes. There's a 0% chance I'd ever buy anything from Mazda again, that's how comically bad they are. They at least hold onto old tech, they still have traditional automatic transmissions and boost up their engines a bit so they can be fun cars, just don't expect quality. It's a Nissan dressed up in a sleazy suit.

Nissan is just pure shit, don't bother even though they have cheap models. They blow up.

>>28620211
And both Toyota and Honda FULLY cuck to the new regulations, unlike Mazda who at least try to remain fun and functional. Subaru too, at least still having high-ish ground clearance and AWD speak to their adventurous roots. But don't expect shit out of a Goyota or Honda, you're gonna get ugly slow gay CVTslop. The hybrids are zippier than a normal engine but you pay out the ass for them and your car loses value by the thousands much quicker as those batteries wear down. Don't be tricked by their bullshit marketing, you barely even save money on gas which only costs around a thousand a year (do the math) to lose thousands initially and in the long run. Hybrid is a scam and CVTs are designed to break.

>>28620211
>In Subaru's case, their boxer engines were never reliable so they decided to just underpower the shit out of them so they wouldn't blow head gaskets
Can safely ignore the rest of this post, he has no clue what he's talking about lmao

>>28620218
Meh, maybe it's to save fuel which the full-time AWD system sips. There has to be a reason why they're so comically slow. Like that was a decision not a mistake.

>>28619598 (OP)
Suzukis are good (actual ones, not the rebadged shit that was getting sold in the US)

>>28619608
>Suzuki
>jeet brand
hush Miguel

>>28619598 (OP)
Nissan has gone to shit in the last decade and Subaru has had severe oil issues for a long time now.

Are all Jap brands shit? I noticed JEETs drive camrys, corollas, mustangs, porsche macans, BMW's, Mercs. I was put off from all these brands because of that.

I'm eying a 2023 mazda cx60, with a 3.3L petrol engine turbo with hybrid set up. Are Mazdas really that shit?

>>28620336
Jeets will buy pretty much anything but American. I have never seen a jeet in a Ford, Chevy or anything GM before.

>>28620338
I'm Australian but have seen JEETs here driving F-150's and silverados. They seem to avoid all the brands listed in OP tho besides maybe Nissan.

>>28620336
Toyota, Mazda and Honda are solid. Suzuki is pretty good too if you like smol fun shitboxes and live in a country where they're available.

>>28619598 (OP)
Honda and Suzuki are better than Toyota. More fun. Mazda is good too. Niggsan and midshit-buttshit are god awful.

>>28619934
Drive a Honda manual a jazz, civic or accord manual and tell me it's shit.

>>28620338
in the UK, low status (shop workers, etc) jeets drive toyotas, high status (doctors, etc) drive lexus

>>28620341
Nah, jeets here love the Camry, it's probably their #1 car. I've never seen a jeet in a BMW or Mercedes before, it's always something Japanese for some reason.

>>28621212
Depends on the area, seen jeets drive mutangs, audis, bmws and mercs all the time. There was also that JEET in melbourne that tried to impress his PAJEETA and slammed right into the back of a parked semmi trailer and killed her, on a straight road with no cars on it mind you.

>>28620213
>Hybrid is a scam and CVTs are designed to break.
Both Honda and Toyota hybrid "eCVTs" have very little in common with the usual mechanical belt CVT thing. If the inverter board doesn't fry or something, the hybrid motor-generator box might last a million miles with fluid changes.
I suppose the battery's still something you might have to deal with in 10-20 years.

And yeah, the Japanese could definitely use more creativity in dealing with the regulations. They're not doing such a bad job with emissions, but almost all Japanese cars have horribly annoying implementations of the now-mandatory Euro safety & driver assist crap.
At least most Euro brands have realized that nobody likes them and have made them as subtle as possible, as well as providing a quick way to turn them off. Maybe the Japanese will figure that out 5 years from now.

>>28621383
Nah toyota sells vehicles that aren't hybrids with CVT's as well like the RAV 4 or CHR. We know E-CVT is not the same.

>>28621425
As for OP as well, the only jap brands that don't just sell 4 banger shitboxes are Mazda and nissan and thats it.

>Lexus
Just a glorified toyota trying to do luxuary but fails short of euro brands
>Mitsibishi
Shit cars, usually cheaper but garbage tier in terms of engine options.
>Honda
Again all 4 banger shitboxes with CVT's
>Mazda
IMO I have driven the new miata, it's waaay to small for me to drive, fun car tho. Mazda also sells cars with far larger engines than the others so thats a plus, especially in their SUV range
>Nissan
Reliability issues
>Subaru
Nothing I hate more than this brand, shitty boxer engines, CVT's, reliability issues galore
>Suzuki
Small cars, nothing really to say about it

>>28621425
>toyota sells vehicles that aren't hybrids with CVT's as well like the RAV 4 or CHR.
Not really a thing here. They tried to introduce their belt CVT thing (Multidrive?) in my country around 2010, but it never became popular, and people just kept buying manuals until Prius-style hybrids took over.
Mechanical CVTs are very rare here now. I tried searching used car ads for non-hybrid automatic Toyotas, but almost all of the results were actually hybrids that had been tagged wrong.

>>28621425
2026 Rav4 is all hybrid with ecvt. They will not be making fully gas cars or standard transmissions in that vehicle until it proves to be a mistake and hurts sales. It likely won't because normies are retarded and buy slop.

The Corolla Cross is likely the same story. Never even considered that POS because it's a 2.0 and they all have CVTs. They're likely going to all be hybrid soon too.

>>28621618
Yer if it's anything less than 2.5L, I don't want it. Only mazda offers 3.0L and bigger these days in the japanese car market, or you're forced to buy a euro car.

>>28621450
>honda wins plenty of car of the year awards
>but they're all shitboxes according to this anon

>>28619934
Hey dipshit, he's talking about new cars. Current offerings. All of these brands made epic shit and real garbage at one point or another. His takes are accurate for current cars.

>>28621702
He didn't say anything about new cars.

>>28620336
Jeets have regional hiveminds but it's all based on status.
>rich
>warrior
>sexual predator
That's the general categorization.

Ignoring their luxury badges, in order it is:
mazda
honda
nissan
subaru
It's not a meaningful difference though, I drive a subaru and I'd buy another one over any american/german/korean car.

subaru nowadays is the most reliable besides honda/toyota

>>28621371
You probably see arabs/turks and think its jeets
they are obsessed with bmws

>>28621914
>oil burning boxer engine
>explosive CVT
>reliable

>>28619598 (OP)
>Acura
It’s a nicely rebadged Honda car with pseudo-luxury. I mean, a $60K FWD-biased car with those qualities is just asking for too much. This is why the TLX flopped. The new NSX was the worst car due to its complicated system - potential breakdowns down the line. The old NSX remains classy all the time. The old Acura models are very reliable. The new ones are no longer reliable.
>Infiniti
It was the GOAT in the 2000s with its G35. Now, it’s in decline. The term "reliability" no longer belongs in the same sentence.
>Lexus
An soulless appliance for geriatric people and retards who think Lexus is something hot shit. The new Lexus cuckboxes are no longer reliable due to overstressed 4-banger turbos with thin oil. You just overpay for a rebadged Toyota shitbox. The LFA is just overrated, period, because it’s just a sports car with a good sound. That’s it.
>Mitsubishi
The Evo was kino at the time for the shortest period, but it’s ancient now. The new ones are a joke because they are just another soulless, outdated appliance for retards.
>Honda
A cheap, decent appliance with a tiny bit of personality. Reliability is hit or miss.
>Mazda
It’s for someone who wants a car with personality and shouldn’t expect more reliability.
>Nissan
lel Niggan
>Subaru
lel head gaskets nuff said
>Suzuki
Deathtrap for retards
>Toyota
The old ones are very reliable but still soulless and extremely outdated. Funny, right now, the term "reliability" no longer belongs in the same sentence with nu-Toyota.

>>28622089
>Honda
>A cheap, decent appliance
Interesting. They're some of the most overpriced cars still available in parts of Yurop.
Maybe a bit more decent than some other makers' applicances, but 40-50k for a sub 150 hp cuckover with no service network or parts availability is not exactly cheap.
Not sure if they even sell anything besides their mediocre hybrids here any more. There was that one half-Chinese EV, but it was dead on arrival due to terrible efficiency, generally outdated tech and fucking retarded design decisions (nice job putting the charging port low in the front where it's guaranteed to freeze shut in the winter).

>>28620224
You are right that they're slow, but you are wrong about the reason. That reason being that Subarus are sold to old people.

There's two kinds of Subaru buyers, the stereotype of the vape smoking asswipe who abuses his WRX and mods it into uselessnes, and old white people who just want a car they can use to go to the supermarket in their retirement.

Out of those two groups of customers, who do you think buys new cars? It's not the vapefags, they have no money after sinking it all into modding this "gently used" bugeye, cause bugeyes are the best Subaru according to these asswipes. It's the old white middle class people buying Outbacks.

>>28619950
>G35/37 (these are included in skylines) are good but again very mexican and hard to find in manual
Most of the Automatic G series cars have that goofy "manual mode" where you can slide the shifter over and use it manually. The clutch is still automatic tho

>>28621699
You can't be serious? Those dumbass awards mean nothing to anyone. I've driven new Hondas and they're fucking slow, basic shitboxes with nothing going for them. Even the dam mags they put on their cars are paper thin.
>>28621816
Das right, but cars and status don't mix, as JEETs just get loans.
>>28621917
Nah more JEETs are here than arabs or turks, a lot more.

>>28623250
the only people drowning in debt are arabs and turks when they see leasebait bmws

>>28619608
>Nissan Hit or miss. Infinity is good. best RWD platforms of the jap brands. Infinity in general is pretty slept on. no one seems to really talk about their lineup.

It's crazy to me no one really talks about Nissan's trucks at all. The Frontier and the Titan are pretty solid choices if you're on a budget and can't afford a Toyota truck or high end American truck. Idk about the past two years or so but they were still offering a V6 in the Frontier with a traditional automatic transmission for a very reasonable price.

"reliable" is a fucking boomer lore myth.
the reality is most people in this world are both functionally retarded and don't know anything about maintaining a car, so the massive data set you're using for decisions like this is fucking irrelevant slop. A car is a car is a car who gives a fuck.

>>28624326
Reliability is just the measure of neglect a car can take before it shits it self.
>a car is a car is a car who gives a fuck
Enthusiasts.

>>28619934
>Honda hasn't made a fun vehicle in 20 years
The 2.0t 10th gen Accords are quite fun to drive for a family sedan.

>>28624326
>>28624484
Reliability is subjective, I don't use the opinions of auto articles to determine what is reliable, I look up personal owner reviews of a certain car to find out what goes wrong. If I see massive things fail like blown head gaskets going then I am concerned. There is a reason why range rovers depreciate like a rock.

>>28624326
ok gun to your head do you buy a $5000 toyota or a $5000 bmw. You have to make it to work without fail for 1 month.

>>28619608
>>Mazda
>shitboxes with tarted up interiors. not bad, but don't fall for the marketing. they're no different than the other cheap brands.
You haven't been inside a Mazda in at least 10 years.

>>28625577
My 2023 Mazda 3 burns oil and is already having more issues than my Nissan Sentra.

other than mazda’s miata, nissan’s Z and possibly toyota with the supra, none of these brands are redeemable as anything more than normie slop trash. japan has gone completely soulless in the automotive segment

>>28625577
>>28625591
Mazdas are weird. Some of them seem rock solid.
And then there's shit like the CX-60, which has been showing up on top 10 least reliable car lists, with issues ranging from the suspension or steering breaking, to electrical failures, to the gearbox or engine deciding to shit itself.
It's reportedly not even very comfortable for a 50k+ "premium" SUV: The auto gearbox is janky and the suspension crashes and leans like a compact hatchback carrying the weight of a fatass PHEV. Maybe that's exactly how they developed it, who knows.

>>28619608
>Mirage
would buy it if I were a Euro or jap, but they're speed bumps for soccer moms and dicklets in lifted Rams.

>>28625696
>they're speed bumps for soccer moms and dicklets in lifted Rams.
>more retarded weebcels die
Good riddance.

>>28625696
>pic confirming that the Mirage = DEATHTRAP
based nip for killing more baka gaijins

>>28625696
>Mirage
>would buy it if I were a Euro or jap,
I don't think they sell the Mirage sedan in Europe. Mitsubishi does sell some smaller cars here, but pretty sure they're all rebadged Renaults or Nissans now.

The Mirage's safety record might have something to do with it being originally designed as a budget commuter car for developing markets.
It'd probably turn back into a steel bale just bumping into a modern Euro "compact" hatch. Can't imagine the carnage if it crashed into one of those 'murican road tugboats.

>>28619598 (OP)
I quite like Hyundai myself.

>>28625704
The Mitsubishi space star is still available in EU but it will be replaced with the new colt(Renault Clio) by the end of 2025.

>>28623250
It's Arabs in the fancier cars, jeets are always in a Toyota or a Nissan.

t. live in North East Melbourne

>>28627273
cars are a status symbol for Muslims, they're even worse than white women. They see no issue in living in the worst Bradford slum, in a rotting house, but driving around in a £100k AMG.

>>28627322
Kek it's always an AMG, I don't know why it's that specific model from Mercedes that seems to draw them in.
And yeah you're right, I've driven through some shitty areas for work and sometimes see a really new Mercedes GL in the front yard of total shitholes.

Nisshit has the worst transmission ever devised by man

>>28621917
>arabs/turks
Not really a thing in most of USA. Jeets are literally everywhere though, even rural Mississippi

>>28619598 (OP)
Idk about reliability but Nissan is the most African-American car brand in America after Chrysler. Altimas and Chrysler 300s are THE black cars.

>>28619598 (OP)
Cars are so reliable nowadays its like asking whats better a A+ car or a A- car. now if were talking early 2000's models, id say Honda is 2nd best to toyota. everything else is mid with nissan being probably the shittiest.

>>28619598 (OP)
Japanese Reliability? It's completely determined if they even make the essential parts for your car anymore. A car is useless if the door hinges and windows are bad. The suspension control arm bushings and rack pinion can't be replaced along with the monotube-like shock/spring. Or that none of the parts on your car are standardized, compared to 5 different automotive brands from different continents. Right now my Soarer is falling apart because of that problem. The only way for a real J-Vin Japanese car to be reliable is to buy another one after 20 years. That is why you don't see many Japanese classics without standardized replacement parts like Dorman, and AC Delco.

>>28625481
Probably a bmw. 5k can get a decent condition e36

>>28628766
Strange to think they're appreciating so hard now. I got mine about 10 years ago in near perfect condition for about $800, they were undesirable shit at that time kek.

>>28628751
>Right now my Soarer is falling apart because of that problem
Shouldn't buncha of supra aftermarket parts fit Soarer?

Funnily enough, despite what haters on this board will say, Subaru's reliability is pretty damn good. They got a bad reputation from an issue that hasn't really existed in like 15+ years and from people who don't really know what they're doing modifying the tune on the ecu to get more power on completely stock motors.

I bought a WRX new in 2016 and have been beating the absolute shit out of it for 10 years and it's been completely trouble free. All I've ever had to do was regular maintenance shit... fluids, filters, brakes, tires, plugs, etc.

>>28629281
same but with a 2017 Crosstrek, love it

>>28624664
honda realized they accidentally made a fun car and discontinued it

>>28629264
Shhh. anon, you're not supposed to expose another anon being full of shit like this.

>>28629281
I had two subarus, one of them with the wet paper tissue headgasket engines. that one lasted me 180K without a single issue until I lost it in an accident.

I've had a few different shitboxes since, but when I had saved enough money to graduate from 5K to 25K-ish shitboxes, I knew what brand I was going to for a CPO vehicle, Had it for 7 years already, just over 100K, and I'm hoping it'll last me for another 100K