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Anonymous No.28623329 [Report] >>28623807 >>28623850 >>28624007 >>28624261 >>28625498
Gas and electric can't coexist, because electric is better
>These supply shocks can feel like crises to consumers, but they are actually symptoms of transition. Disruptions are not failures of policy or planning. They are natural features of a system moving from one dominant technology to another. The same pattern has played out in other sectors when tipping points were reached. Coal plants shut down before renewable energy was fully scaled. Film camera factories started shuttering before digital photography was perfected. Typewriter factories were abandoned long before word processing was universal. Petroleum refining is now experiencing the same process.

>The feedback loop is important to recognize. As refineries close and gasoline becomes more expensive or less convenient, electric vehicles become more attractive. Charging infrastructure is expanding, ownership costs for EVs are dropping, and policy supports are firm. Consumers weigh their options, and the balance tips toward electric. As more EVs are sold, the gasoline market contracts further, and the case for keeping refineries open gets weaker. Gas stations begin to close in parallel, maintenance shops lose customers for oil changes and exhaust repairs, and parts suppliers see declining demand. Insurance companies raise premiums on older ICE vehicles as risks rise and parts become harder to source. Each step reinforces the erosion of the internal combustion ecosystem.
Anonymous No.28623389 [Report] >>28623546 >>28623681 >>28623692 >>28623833 >>28623835 >>28623852 >>28625686
Cool story bro. Refineries make a lot more than auto gasoline. Even plastics and chems for things like cosmetics.
60% of US electricity is generated by burning coal and natural gas, I guess you prefer fracking.
Anonymous No.28623417 [Report]
Anonymous No.28623422 [Report]
...And That's a GOOD Thing.
Anonymous No.28623463 [Report] >>28623686 >>28623690
Good. Hope this happens to the rest of the country.
Anonymous No.28623546 [Report] >>28625483
>>28623389
Oil naturally produces 20% gassoline. We crack it to be 40%. So we can reduce or eliminate the cracking process that turns it into gasoline. Furthermore, we can then crack the oil so that less gasoline is produced.

So if gasoline usage drops significantly, we can adjust the oil production to significantly use less oil, thus requiring less refineries.
Anonymous No.28623681 [Report] >>28623764 >>28624490 >>28625049
>>28623389
>60% of US electricity is generated by burning coal and natural gas,
lol America is such an awful third world shithole. In EU that's less than 30%.
Anonymous No.28623686 [Report]
>>28623463
I hope you get raped by niggers made of broken glass.
Anonymous No.28623690 [Report] >>28623767 >>28628212
>>28623463
It will definitely happen. Gasoline deadzones will start to grow, and less and less people will buy gas cars.
Anonymous No.28623692 [Report] >>28623719
>>28623389
>60% of US electricity is generated by burning coal and natural gas
ha ha no wonders america is 3th world shitting hole fascism dictator and stupidity
Anonymous No.28623719 [Report]
>>28623692
>We're saving the planet, guys!
Anonymous No.28623764 [Report] >>28624247
>>28623681
>*europoor freezes to death because of home heating oil shortage due to Russian sanctions.
Anonymous No.28623767 [Report]
>>28623690
woo cheap gas for our old barges
Anonymous No.28623768 [Report]
Sorry batteryheads, hydrogen fuel cell WILL win in the end
Anonymous No.28623769 [Report]
>California refinery is closing explicitly because of california state regulations
>it's probably moving to another state
>this is a sign of the collapse of all oil
this is a sign of california trying to raid a private business for tax revenue and election optics
Anonymous No.28623807 [Report]
>>28623329 (OP)
Kek sure mate, good luck with your work at the free range electricity farm
Anonymous No.28623833 [Report]
>>28623389
>60% of US electricity is generated by burning coal
No wonder amerimutt love negroes so much - you are all a bunch of coalburners.
Anonymous No.28623835 [Report]
>>28623389
cool pic
Anonymous No.28623850 [Report]
>>28623329 (OP)
>ownership costs for EVs are dropping
Not true, govts are doing everything to make EVs as expensive to have as gas cars. You didn't think they'll let you keep the savings?
So charging at public chargers is so expensive it comes very close to price of gas and charging cars at home, they're making that expensive too by capping the usage to certain limit which is too low for charging cars. You go over the limit and electricity gets 3x more expensive.
Anonymous No.28623852 [Report] >>28623913 >>28624256
>>28623389
California's bullshit blends are really only single purpose fuels for California's state mandated market. They aren't part of the normal supply chain they really only cock up road gas for cali.
Anonymous No.28623913 [Report] >>28624014
>>28623852
>bullshit blends
I hope everyone outside of California enjoys their lung cancer.
Anonymous No.28624007 [Report] >>28624032
>>28623329 (OP)
I'm not buying an EV unless it's something that'll last decades, because I'll have to finance buying new battery packs since the vehicle will completely devalue. You can't sell an EV at 100k miles, it literally has no value on KBB so you don't even get a slight trade in boost like with a gas shitbox. Even at 100k you have issues finding any buyer and even dealers may not take it. Tesla famously refused to take its own vehicles as trade ins for some time, they might still be refusing to take their own goddamn cars because they lose the entirety of their resale value around 80-100k miles.

The only way this would be economically viable for the working class is to have us buy a new battery and not a whole new car. Or just have the working class make more money. See elites? You can't sell us useless shit or even necessities when WE CAN'T FUCKING AFFORD THEM. I AM NOT LOSING 8-10K A YEAR ON YOUR FUCKING GLORIFIED GOLF CARTS WITH BUILT IN PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE.
Anonymous No.28624014 [Report] >>28624214
>>28623913
You're retarded, gas refined in California makes it all over the western US. Their special summer blend is more expensive and gives worse MPG.
Anonymous No.28624032 [Report]
>>28624007
My 2014 chevy volt disagrees with you.
It still gets 50 miles on a full charge before the generator kicks in.
And I mean lets be honest, most people don't drive 50 miles in a day.
Anonymous No.28624214 [Report] >>28624220 >>28624479
>>28624014
>it's expensive and bad
>but it's used across the US
huh
Anonymous No.28624220 [Report]
>>28624214
US is an expensive and bad experience in general.
Anonymous No.28624222 [Report]
K.. KEEP ME POSTED
Anonymous No.28624247 [Report]
>>28623764
gas*
Anonymous No.28624256 [Report] >>28624485
>>28623852
>the future is in rural Alabama not Commiefornia
Anonymous No.28624261 [Report] >>28624393 >>28624416
>>28623329 (OP)
>Refineries move to friendly states because lunatic marxist california government makes it impossible to do business
>Retarded blog: it's over for real cars!!!
lmao, keep dreaming faggot
Anonymous No.28624393 [Report]
>>28624261
We haven't built a full scale refinery in 50 years. The last refinery built produces 45% the amount of the smallest full scale refineries.
Anonymous No.28624416 [Report] >>28624429 >>28625667
>>28624261
Refineries exist where demand for gas exists retard
Anonymous No.28624429 [Report] >>28624473
>>28624416
unless regulations make it cheaper to refine elsewhere and transport, which they do
Anonymous No.28624446 [Report]
Doesn't California have like $7/gal?
Anonymous No.28624473 [Report] >>28624482
>>28624429
What do you expect to gain from refining it elsewhere? California doesn't allow sub-human gas so you can't import it.
Anonymous No.28624479 [Report]
>>28624214
Yes moron, this may surprise you but the investment to get a refinery up and running is huge. Oregon and Washington are the younger siblings of California and want to mimic that shit state in every way possible so they have similar emissions laws that make buying California gas a no brainer.
Anonymous No.28624482 [Report] >>28624487
>>28624473
>What do you expect to gain from refining it elsewhere
not going bankrupt by paying billions of dollars to scam green energy fees that end up in democrat party coffers?
Anonymous No.28624485 [Report] >>28624906
>>28624256
>rural Alabama
It really is nice here. No rust, almost no potholes, no front plates, no inspections, you can run catless no problem, very little traffic, no speed cameras, very few cops. Lots of windy, empty forest roads if you look for them. On the hwy I take into the city people genuinely drive 70-80 in a 55 and it's normal. It's a car lover's paradise.
Oh yeah and it's $2.75 / gallon here and the octanes are higher than the west has.
Anonymous No.28624487 [Report] >>28624498
>>28624482
Oil refineries don't get free handouts via ignoring externalized costs. They should pay more.
Anonymous No.28624490 [Report]
>>28623681
>The price of "progress"
Anonymous No.28624498 [Report] >>28624510
>>28624487
Trannies like you should be rounded up so you can face the wall.
Anonymous No.28624510 [Report]
>>28624498
Indians be like "I shit and dump my garbage anywhere I want. Why can't billionaires do the same?" not realizing that shitting and dumping garbage everywhere isn't normal.
Anonymous No.28624663 [Report] >>28624681
Communism doesn't work
Climate change isn't real
Cope seethe dilate
Anonymous No.28624681 [Report] >>28624710 >>28624979
>>28624663
>communism doesn't work
>calls California, with wealth that rivals almost all other nations, communist
You've proven your retardation by saying climate change isn't real. Didn't realize we had flat earthers on here.
Anonymous No.28624710 [Report]
>>28624681
>commiefnia policies aren't communist
Go back and dilate faggot
Anonymous No.28624906 [Report] >>28624930 >>28625054 >>28625062 >>28625064
>>28624485
wtf I want to move to Alabama now. here in yurop we get tons of road salt (I'm sure some politician is making a killing by selling it to the state), shit roads with lots of potholes, very high taxes, mandatory inspections and smog tests, and speed cameras
even our "right wing" parties are identical to communists when it comes to personal transport.
Anonymous No.28624930 [Report] >>28624952
>>28624906
oh and forgot to mention that gas is usually around 2€ per liter (while wages and purchasing power are also shit)
Anonymous No.28624952 [Report] >>28624985 >>28624991 >>28625518 >>28625693
>>28624930
>2€ per liter
Woah, that's $9 / gallon. The station nearest me is at $2.74 today.
Anonymous No.28624979 [Report] >>28624984
>>28624681
>You've proven your retardation by saying climate change isn't real
Anonymous No.28624984 [Report] >>28625006
>>28624979
>criticizes science while using a computer
Anonymous No.28624985 [Report]
>>28624952
Yeah I just paid 3.6 for shell 93
Anonymous No.28624991 [Report] >>28625015
>>28624952
Europe is a shithole
Anonymous No.28625006 [Report] >>28625010
>>28624984
>my marxist dogma is "science" because bill nye says so
Anonymous No.28625010 [Report] >>28625013
>>28625006
>...he posted on a magical quantum thinking rock.
Anonymous No.28625013 [Report]
>>28625010
He's not worth arguing with.
Anonymous No.28625015 [Report]
>>28624991
it's an increasingly brown and unsafe and totalitarian shithole and soon it'll probably be reduced to rubble in ww3. I'm trying to move somewhere else before that happens. t. europoor
Anonymous No.28625049 [Report]
>>28623681
In America it costs 0.08 eur / kWh. In europe he average cost is 0.287 eur / kWh and that’s with cheap russian gas. America’s average cost is less than half of europe’s, but America’s is skewed higher due to retarded states like California.
Anonymous No.28625054 [Report]
>>28624906
I was watching an old show where the Danes were blowing up speed cameras when they were first introduced. Now everyone acts like you’re a nazi when a private spy camera malfunctions and the state sends you a ticket for something you didn’t do.
Anonymous No.28625062 [Report]
>>28624906
Eurocuck "right wing" parties ARE communists
Anonymous No.28625064 [Report] >>28625066
>>28624906
Alabama does have some good roads, but if you don't have a good job then it is a living hell down there. Some time ago I worked in a hospital in south alabama and only made $12 per hour which is not livable at all with the rising price of real estate and all your other bills.
Anonymous No.28625066 [Report]
>>28625064
No worse than yurop
Anonymous No.28625483 [Report] >>28625491
>>28623546
You fucking maroon hydrocracking is necessary to efficiently make just about every oil derivative
Anonymous No.28625491 [Report] >>28625543 >>28625631
>>28625483
Ok and...? Cracking will still exist, it just won't be used to make as much gassoline.
Anonymous No.28625498 [Report]
>>28623329 (OP)
I think the refinery closures are because 15% of California is illegal.
Anonymous No.28625518 [Report]
>>28624952
remember, most yuro countries' fuel costs are just tax. almost 50% of the cost of fuel per litre is just tax alone.
every time burgers complain about gas prices just remember you're probably still paying nowhere near what yuros pay
Anonymous No.28625519 [Report]
Anonymous No.28625543 [Report] >>28625581
>>28625491
God damn you people are high on your own farts and DUMB AS FUCK
Anonymous No.28625581 [Report] >>28625613
>>28625543
That has nothing to do with refinery operations so your post was useless.
Anonymous No.28625613 [Report] >>28625623
>>28625581
What the fuck are you talking about retard
Anonymous No.28625623 [Report]
>>28625613
When are you going to explain that cracking doesn't work.
Anonymous No.28625631 [Report] >>28625674 >>28625683
>>28625491
You can't just make it separate into less gasoline while cracking it, it is literally a byproduct of the process. Before uses were found for it, gasoline was dumped into open pits and burned.
Anonymous No.28625667 [Report]
>>28624416
>Refineries exist where demand for gas exists retard
So the entire fucking planet?
Anonymous No.28625674 [Report] >>28625683
>>28625631
Let me give you a QRD:
>oil is made of long carbon chains
>the length of the chains determines the type (gasoline vs tar)
>longer chains make lighter byproduct (heavy tar vs light gasoline)
>we can break these chains to turn heavy oil into lighter oil
>oil is naturally 20% gasoline
>we break it down to be 40%
>if gasoline demand drops, we can adjust the cracking ratio so less than 40% of oil is used for gasoline production
>that means overall oil refinement will drop
>which means refineries will have to shut down due to lack of demand
Anonymous No.28625683 [Report]
>>28625674
>>28625631
Further explanation: https://youtu.be/vD0kbdIS6kE
Anonymous No.28625686 [Report]
>>28623389
>Even plastics and chems for things like cosmetics.
what was the last time any of that was manufactured in america, let alone in california?
Anonymous No.28625693 [Report]
>>28624952
>$2.74 today
Pathetic. In Russia it's free.
Anonymous No.28628212 [Report]
>>28623690
>Gasoline deadzones will start to grow, and less
and less people will buy gas cars.
Modular miniature refineries. DIY petrol production. Added benefit: no taxes.
Anonymous No.28628216 [Report] >>28628233
>the ev shills are still pushing talking points from two presidents ago
Anonymous No.28628233 [Report] >>28628238
>>28628216
>ev shills
No such thing. EVs are inherently libertarian and hurt profits.
Anonymous No.28628238 [Report] >>28628240
>>28628233
chatgpt post
evs are inherently and staunchly communo-capitalist like china
you can just make your own gasoline, you pay for gasoline and the cost of manufacturing it as a quantity of a tangible item. gasoline is libertarian.
you literally cannot own any amount of electricity, it belongs to everyone. you pay for the infrastructure with an arbitrary price. electricity is socialist.
Anonymous No.28628240 [Report] >>28628246
>>28628238
Opposite. You can make your own electricity. You can't make your own gasoline.

Just look at the USA. How many people are making their own electricity? How many are making their own gas?
Anonymous No.28628246 [Report] >>28628306
>>28628240
>You can make your own electricity.
no you actually can't. you can make "electricity" but it isn't yours.
you can store electrons in your battery but they are not YOUR electrons. you don't own that electricity any more than you can hold it in your hands. you did not make the electrons that went into your electric car, you stole them from elsewhere.
gasoline is a tangible item and can be manufactured at home. electricity can be stored but it can never be owned.
Anonymous No.28628306 [Report] >>28628329
>>28628246
>no you actually can't. you can make "electricity" but it isn't yours.
Explain who's electricity it is then.
Anonymous No.28628329 [Report] >>28628331
>>28628306
god
Anonymous No.28628331 [Report]
>>28628329
Acts of god are not covered by insurance because god doesn't own anything. So therefore, I own the electricity.