Thread 28627504

My driving instructor is extremely jewish with his pricing and I want to get more practice for my driving test. My budget is below 100 bucks, is there anything in that range that can buy a steering wheel, pedals and a gearshift? It's less my control of the car and more my behavior in traffic that I want to practice, so it doesn't need to be 100% accurate to a real car as long as muscle memory still applies.

>>28627504 (OP)
You might be able to find used gear on facebook marketplace. Nothing new will get you all of that for less than $100.

>>28627504 (OP)
G27 for ps4

>>28627543
Oh nvm g27 doesnt work on ps4 any more and g29 is 200

>>28627504 (OP)
Sim won't help with driving in traffic. That's 100% situational awareness. Ypu need to train visual sensitivity, object recognition. Sims are fine for mechanical aspects, such as wheel and pedal operations, but do nothing for situational awareness training. May even make it worse, as your focus will be on a screen in front of you, rather than constantly scanning ahead, both sides, and checking rear and side mirrors. Here's a scanning pattern: ahead, glance (1 or 2 seconds) up at rear view, ahead, glance left at side, ahead, glance right at side. Repeat continuously. Every 3/4 repetitions, do a head check (turning your head to look to one side) for left or right, for about 2 seconds. When you merge or change lanes, signal first, then check rearview, then side you are merging towards, then head check, then rear again, then merge. The main thing is the constant scanning drills. The more aware you are of your situation, the better you will be able to react to other drivers. If you have a bicycle, ride around and practice scanning. You can do it while walking as well (and should, scanning is a basic part of self-preservation whether that be avoid hazards or someone who may wish you harm).

>>28627504 (OP)
If as you say it's the traffic you want to practice more than the mechanical operation of the car I would buy City Car Driving on steam and use an Xbox controller. $100 is a tight budget for wheel/pedals/shifter unless you already know someone unloading their Logitech g29 and willing to let it go cheap.

>>28627504 (OP)
I just saw a g29 at a thrift store attached to a rig for $45. Check marketplace or whatever your local 2nd hand website is

>>28627504 (OP)
>It's less my control of the car and more my behavior in traffic
What do you need the wheel for exactly? Sounds like you just need a good city driving sim. Whether you use a gamepad or wheel it shouldn't make a difference if it's not about control.

Also you're autistic as fuck if you need a sim to learn to drive in city streets.

>>28627504 (OP)
what's the fine if you're caught driving anyway?
where I live it's $200, and no points
it's cheaper than lessons and I never got caught anyway when I did this to learn motorcycling

(bizarrely it's not "driving unlicensed" (way harsher, applies if the cops took your license) but "driving unauthorised")

>>28627504 (OP)
G27 works on PC.
BeamNG has the best clutch physics.
However take it from me because I did the exact same thing - you can't replace real life experience.

>>28627566
Its not the scanning I have an issue with, it's my behaviour at junctions and keeping speed with other cars
>>28627588
Using a gamepad sucks for simulators
>>28627593
I live in the netherlands where this might be a huge blow to my ability to get a license

>>28627504 (OP)
Why don't you have family or friends that you can practice driving with?

>>28627636
Because you aren't allowed to do that in the Netherlands or it will be considered driving without a license and then as said, it might cause major delays to your driving test.

>>28627647
>gay european guy problems
lol

>>28627650
I can't help that i live in a shitty country

>>28627504 (OP)
>my behavior in traffic that I want to practice
A sim is not going to help you with this, as I don't know of a single game that has traffic behaviour down pat. Remember that when driving, you're reacting to other peoples actions as well as your own, and video game traffic tends to be extremely basic and predictable, unlike irl road users.

>>28627654
>as I don't know of a single game that has traffic behaviour down pat.
City Car Driving

>>28627633
Look up the punishments for being caught without. I live in Australia, nearly as bad a nanny-state as the EU, and still it's not too bad to be caught driving wihtout a license.
Admittedly, don't crash, or your insurance will be fucked.

>>28627676
Already did and it's at least bad enough that i dont want to risk it, as said, a simulator is a better choice here.

>Driving instructor
Do... do parents not teach their kids how to drive anymore?

>>28627657
Never played it, so I'll take your word for it, but it still doesn't seem all that great to me from what I've seen of videos. Basic car control I'd say it seems okay at, but actual traffic interactions, behaviours, speed, etc? Seems very limited and... rigid? I guess?

>>28627685
As said, you aren't allowed to do so in my country or the law fucks you up the anus

>>28627690
Sounds like motivation for perfection to me.

>>28627566
>>28627573
don't listen to these retards

>>28627504 (OP)
you want BeamNG Drive and a Thrustmaster T300 with a TH8A shifter and the T3PA pedal set. the cheaper T150 wheel pro pack that comes with the T3PAs is fine too.

beamng simulates:
>traffic
>transmission mechanicals
>engine thermals

and has brutally accurate collision physics with soft body deformation
it's very good for practicing manual transmission because it's one of the very few games where you can actually fuck the car up by mis-shifting.

don't buy that city car driving trash, it's just russian shovelware that won't help you at all, it's meant for road rules only. if you want to practice actual car shit with realistic consequences you need BeamNG.

>>28627720
Thanks, but how good is the traffic simulation of BeamNG? Does it tell you when you fucked something up?
>>28627726
>it's meant for road rules only.
But that is exactly what I need to practice

>>28627754
>how good is the traffic simulation of BeamNG? Does it tell you when you fucked something up?
NTA, but it's fucking ass for traffic stuff. BeamNG. is a great game, but it's a physics simulator, and arguably nothing more. The traffic AI is incredibly basic, and provides the bare minimum expected of it; if you already know how to operate and manipulate a vehicle, then BeamNG. will offer you virtually nothing beyond entertainment.

>>28627754
>Thanks, but how good is the traffic simulation of BeamNG? Does it tell you when you fucked something up?
it does if the map is set up for it, for example the tokyo metro highway assetto conversion has speed cameras. on all maps it handles collisions rather humorously with police response (if they are in the traffic spawn pattern) and an "exchange of insurance" between you and the npc if you wait at the crash scene. if you refuse to stop you will be chased by the cops who eventually set up roadblocks nfs style. the latest update has been a little buggy so i haven't tried out some of the new features, these webms are years old. if you mis-shift you will grind the synchros and eventually will lose gears, you can pop tires and bend rims, you can bash the oil pan or radiator on stuff and lose oil and coolant then the engine fails realistically. there are mods for days as well.

>>28627754
>>28627771
I should add that maybe what you're looking for is Euro Truck Simulator 2. An odd choice, yes, and the traffic can be a little "off" on occasion, but it will fine you for things such as running red lights, crashing, speeding, and a couple other things. It's also cheap as fuck, which is nice, and I think there are mods for cars, so you don't have to actually drive a truck around. I think it's well worth a try, at the very least.

>>28627754
>>28627771
you have to use your imagination and your local driver's handbook to make your own curriculum, the game is just a simulator not a teaching package. even city car driving would require you to reference your local laws.
i learned on Driver's Education '96 way back in "the day", but it was actual racing games that taught me car control because the educational sim refused to elaborate past 55 mph and it just became a silly pointless fuck about.

>>28627781
oh this is a good suggestion, ets has some decent road car mods and the game is perfectly realistic for them at normal speeds, just don't try doing 155 kmh cause they flip like trucks. i think ats got some official cars too.

>>28627504 (OP)
I could never understand how a man could troon out but the autistic disconnect of this post solves the mystery. How can one individual just lack the self awareness like are you able to hold a conversation with a stranger and maintain eye contact? Do you make facial expressions? Christ kid get help

>>28627794
That's a lot of projection, dude. You might want to get your autism treated

>>28627504 (OP)
Cheap? Nothing decent is cheap.
Instead of a cockpit sim rig,
>office chair - whatever, probably going to be $120 for something that won't collapse in 5 years
>buy a set of locking wheels - $30-40, needed because of -
>build an angled stand for your pedals from 2x4s and bolt+nuts, optionally glue (painted) lead weights to the front end for extra counterbalance and thus more braking force without tipping
>a half decent desk
>some $300 tmaster, and pedals with loadcell brake $120-150
>or $500-600 for a chinese 5nm DD wheel set

Either way you go about it a decent setup is going to take about $1000 usd to get started.

>>28627930
this is retarded overpiced garbage. post your laptimes and what sims you run

OP already has a desk and presumably a decent pc
all he needs is a T300 with a fucking desk clamp and stock potentiometer pedals.
you wheel stand faggots are insufferable. nobody wants to "pull out " the "rig" to play vidya, it's a hassle. just clamp the wheel to your desk and leave it. load cells are also completely pointless unless you are a gt3s at spa enthusiast and require precise configuration for every game and car. if you don't know a whole lot about cars the LAST thing you fucking need is more shit to fiddle with that you don't know what it does.

op's ideal setup should cost no more than $500. maybe less if he buys used.

>>28627544
G27 works fine on linux and windows

>>28627647
Who's going to find out?

>>28627794
Sure you're not just talking about yourself?

My local track has race Sims.
They want fucking $10,000 to buy one and another $5K for coaching.
The coaching is required in the purchase.
I priced out the sim and it's around $3K in parts

Idk what they are smoking

>>28628174
as a simracer i find the vast majority of other simracers are fucking retarded and completely deserve to be hosed like that. they are aiming for a specific type of boomer who knows nothing about computers but wants to simrace, the kind of guy who spends 15000 grand on the latest and greatest ass shaker direct drive motion rig to just get bodied at daytona by my 70 year old dad on a 1999 ms sidewinder

a sim won't teach you how to drive, retard. stop being socially awkward and pay a driving school

>>28627654
>I don't know of a single game that has traffic behaviour down pat.
Wreckfest and gta4

>>28628223
I don't know of a single person who has purchased their rigs.
Even the SIM guys talked to the track asking if they accidentally added a Zero to the cost.

>>28627566
>Sim won't help with driving in traffic.
It can but he needs a properly powerful PC to run Beam with traffic

>>28628174
Does that $10k include the latest gayman spec custom build?
Because it makes no goddamn sense

autistic people should be killed holy shit

>>28628403
The specs were nothing crazy.
On hardware of software.
Idk WTF they smoked before listing those rigs

weird question going off of op's sort of:
is there a driving sim for city driving in different countries? like can I be a faggot weeb and pretend to be driving the streets of japan?

Didn't expect to see Maho here

>>28628174
They know their audience. There's boomers at that track getting walking speed laptimes in c8 zr1s every weekend. They wouldn't even blink at buying a $15k sim rig to use 1 single time cause they saw it in the lobby and it looked neat.

>>28627633
>Netherlands
I thought you guys still had a ton of rural areas. Why didn't your dad teach you to drive on country roads when you were 10? That's what rural areas are for. You're obviously starting late in life, have a friend drive you out to the countryside and let you drive around. You just need practice driving. All the problems you listed are things that go away after a couple weeks of driving experience. You don't need to waste money on a sim. Go outside, drive a real car. Quit being a scared little faggot, watch other cars and drive accordingly.

>>28628273
It has nothing to do with social awkwardness, it's to do with money. I can't afford the amount of driving lessons that i would need. I need something to fill in the time between the few lessons i CAN afford

>>28628404
Are you the same guy as
>>28627794
?

Why are you so obsessed with projecting your autism onto others? There is nothing remotely autistic about OPs post. If you believe what you say, you should probably begin with yourself.

>>28629010
Dutch "rural" areas are like 5 km of farmland between two cities

I have a wheel stand and simagic stuff but it's honestly a pain connecting this shit to play. Makes me not want to do it.
Contemplating just getting a separate setup with a PC/monitor just for the sim.

>>28629092
I was wondering how you do this on a wheely chair but then I noticed the little trench that catches one of the wheels. Still, does it not rotate too often during play?

>>28629102
It holds pretty well. I have load cell pedals so if it's set to max brake force the chair can lift off the wheel brace. I'm not that great so I'm wondering if I just put up with it until I get better vs getting a better setup that'll make my want to use it more.

GT7, PSVR2, G920 wheel

>>28627945
Sorry my prices are american usd not latvian shekels, and not assuming some facebook market resale. It is what it is

>>28627945
Also you're a clown for suggesting loadcell brakes aren't good or important. It isn't about replicating muh realistic leg strength its about the pedal feel and muscle memory from resistive force. Something you can't get from a weak spring pedal with some foam stuffed into the gaps.