Thread 28628879

Modern MHEV engines give you:
>Turbo power without turbo lag
>Less wasted fuel
>Actually more reliability because EV eases ICE in most stressful moments

NA engines give:
>No turbo lag
>Less power in general
>Higher fuel consumption

MHEV is just superior technology and a godsent. It's a fact, not opinion.

>>28628879 (OP)
You probably mean mhev+turbo and not mhev+NA. Beyond the power comparison is silly. There is no way to make a credible comparison without taking in account power per liter. For reliability a turbo will never be more reliable , as a rule of thumb, from an NA especially if its stressed. As for fuel consumption Mazda's skyactiv-x seems to consume less than any mhev turbo of equal output.

>>28628924
>You probably mean mhev+turbo and not mhev+NA.
Yes, of course. If the point of mhev is increasing efficiency then attaching it to less efficient engine seems retarded.
>There is no way to make a credible comparison without taking in account power per liter.
Here turbo always win. However it has it's shorcomings (turbo lag, worse reliability) that were fixed with mhev.

That's why turbo + mhev > NA. It's much more complex, but despite that it's more reliable and produces power as linear as NA.

If you add electric engine and batteries to turbo ICE, whole system is still smaller than NA with similar power, while using fraction of fuel.
>Mazda's skyactiv-x
Was upgraded into e-skyactive x, by adding mhev. Everything gets better with mhev.

>>28628879 (OP)
"Mild hybrid" is literally a coping technique to comply with retarded emission regulations. Either go full hybrid or don't bother yourself with half-assed overcomplications.

>>28628989
>"Mild hybrid" is literally a coping technique to comply with retarded emission regulations.
They are technology that is used to comply with retarded emission regulations because they're very efficient in fuel to power ratio. It doesn't mean mhev is bad - it means mhev is only ICE system good enough to handle retarded reulations.
>Either go full hybrid or don't bother yourself with half-assed overcomplications.
Full hybrids have half-assed ICE and half-assed EV. Mhev is like a turbo to turbo, but without any cons like with turbo to NA.

>>28628879 (OP)
>>Actually more reliability because EV eases ICE in most stressful moments

hahahaha !

>>28628995
>they're very efficient in fuel to power ratio
In some retarded test scenario maybe. In real world they won't even power your air conditioner while you are standing in traffic.
>Full hybrids have half-assed ICE
Mine has a 3.5L V6.
>Mhev is like a turbo to turbo, but without any cons like with turbo to NA.
A turbo is something you use to shove more air/fuel into the engine to get even more power when it can't suck in more on its own, not something you use to make your 3 cyl 1.1 liter marketable for the next few years because the daddy govt told you so.

>>28629002
>In some retarded test scenario maybe.
I have two cars with same 1.5, but one has added mhev. In same scenarios mhev uses around 5l per 100km, while regular uses 7-8l per 100km.
>Mine has a 3.5L V6.
It's necessary for moving around heavy battery of EV, that's necessary for moving around your V6. Trully brilliant design.
>A turbo is something you use to shove more air/fuel into the engine to get even more power when it can't suck in more on its own, not something you use to make your 3 cyl 1.1 liter marketable for the next few years because the daddy govt told you so.
Turbo objectively adds more power to every liter of engine. Mhev objectively adds more torque to everything it's attached to. 1.5l turbo with mhev in new A3 rides like some oldschool sports car in terms of speed and torque.

You sound like you want to "blame" daddy govt that newer shitboxes do everything that oldschool sports cars are doing, but better.

You're a glowie, right?

>>28629011
>I have two cars with same 1.5
My condolences.
>caring for couple of liter difference in fuel consumption
My condolences.
>It's necessary for moving around heavy battery of EV
Idk what you're talking about, from your posts it looks like you confuse normal hybrids with PHEVs. Get your shit straight. Regular gas version of my car has the same engine (with slightly different cams) and the same overall mass, bought mine because of the bulletproof eCVT mostly and to try out hybrids.
>Turbo objectively adds more power to every liter of engine.
Every liter of what, one and a half of them? I feel sorry for you, alright?
>newer shitboxes do everything that oldschool sports cars are doing, but better.
I said I'm sorry, no need to embarrass yourself further.
>You're a glowie, right?
Are you a jew? Asking because they tend to accuse others of what they do themselves.

>>28629040
>you confuse normal hybrids with PHEVs
Nope, because I assume you can't charge your battery with a cable and it's smaller than in modern PHEVs?

I mean mhev is a boost to regular ICE (that's why I'm comparing it to NA and regular turbo), while full hybrids are basically two half-assed cars (ICE and EV) putted into one. By definition it's less reliable and not as efficient as mhev or just gay-ol EV.
>Every liter of what, one and a half of them? 1.5 liter turbo mhev that rides as NA with around 3 liter. That's what I'm talking about.

>>28629057
>Nope, because I assume you can't charge your battery with a cable and it's smaller than in modern PHEVs?
Yes, and it weighs like 2% of the total gross weight of the car. Fewer than one passenger (European). Probably fewer than the parts my car lacks compared to a regular gas version (lack of significant difference in weight comes from here, I guess).
>full hybrids are basically two half-assed cars (ICE and EV) putted into one.
Wrong and retarded especially considering the context of the overcomplicated bullshit from VAG you're trying to promote. Do your homework, I'm not here to educate you, sorry.

>the Question has been conveniently ignored
Also noted.

>>28629076
>Yes, and it weighs like 2% of the total gross weight of the car.
When your car has 3.5l V6 then battery alone should weight well over 100kg to balance this. Even over 200kg (and I'm not talking about PHEV). Otherwise it's just a boost to ICE - literally, slightly bigger MHEV.

You're arguing for nothing, retard.

>>28629124
>i know better than Toyota engineers
Have to admit, trying to argue with something like that is retarded.

>>28629137
>Toyota
Now it makes sense. All these posts you made are for nothing and you're a retard.

Toyota doesn't call it's engines "mild hybrid", even if de facto they are mhev as fuck. Even 1.8l with 122hp is called regular hybrid, when it's boosted to 140hp with literal mhev.

Toyota 3.5 V6 Hybrid works on similar principle, despite being called "FHEV". EV adds like 10-15% of hoursepower to ICE, which is absolutely in range of mhev engines. It can ride solely on EV for some distance, but guess what: newer mhevs can do this too nowadays.

>>28629174
Lol
Lmao, even
Can't imagine a prompt resulting in this, so I guess you wrote it by yourself.

>>28629179
>3.5 V6 non-hybrid: 276-294hp
>3.5 V6 full-hybrid: 313-359hp, 389hp with dual turbo
I'll analyze these numbers for you: you're riding glorified mhev that allows you to go for groceries mostly on EV.

>>28629211
That's a lot of talk for someone who owns not one but two 1.5 liters

>>28629333
Combined that is 3lt. Not bad at all.

>>28629503
Nope, you can't make a good car out of two half-assed ones, you said it yourself. Maybe even twice.

>>28629512
Its my first post here mate.

*mogs your hybrid*

>>28629534
Sorry.

>>28629512
>you can't make a good car out of two half-assed ones
Now you get it. OP here. I have several cars and change them often, just not suvs and trucks. My main for the weekend is 2l 4pots 204hp 100% ice which is ok for mini, as I'm not fanboy of any particular type of engine. However full hybrid sucks, because it's basically phev without p and smaller battery. Luckly for you, you ride glorified mhev - "mild" being dropped because some people are less intelligent and think it has something to do with engine's power.

Peace.

>>28629575
MHEV is just a supercharger with additional Rube Goldberg steps for no reason.
>engine charges a battery to power an electric motor that gives additional power to the wheels
Vs
>engine turns a belt that drives more air into the engine to increase power

>>28628879 (OP)
Dont care luv me na skyactiv 2.5 going brrr

>>28629578
It's not just about power but torque and power.

EV has better torque, even with less power it fills turbo lag nicely in MHEV. It's mild kick that kicks in when and where it's needed the most. Vast majority of power comes from ICE and power that necessary for EV comes from brakes (energy that is otherwise wasted anyway), so power of ICE isn't wasted on powering up battery or stressed, since weight of EV and battery in MHEV is much lighter than in other hybrids.

>>28629575
>Now you get it.
Where do I argue against it? I'm just trying to get you to actually read and learn something on topic instead of making shit up.

>>28629624
>"Mild hybrid" is literally a coping technique to comply with retarded emission regulations. Either go full hybrid or don't bother yourself with half-assed overcomplications.
Is that example of mental retardation yours?

>>28629011
>it’s much more complicated, but better
> You sound like you want to "blame" daddy govt that newer shitboxes do everything that oldschool sports cars are doing, but better.
>You're a glowie, right?
these modern jews are so retarded, lol

>>28629900
Are you able to deny any of it with actual argumentation?

>>28629914
Post nose.

>>28628879 (OP)
>MHEV is just superior technology and a godsent. It's a fact, not opinion.
This is a fucking lie, a mild hybrid only powers the engine during the few first seconds when starting from an still position.
What you're referring to would be a classical hybrid with a proper 2kw battery, I have one and it indeed has a fucking acceleration that pushes your head backwards, and the electric engine only got like 56hp.

Can we get a competent shill for a change?

>>28629951
Mhevs also powers the engine during acceleration just before the turbo kicks in. It can make the car pretty smooth indeed. Beyond that its a glorified start-stop system, especially the ones that are 24v or less like the ones Mazda uses. There are cases where the car can "coast" with just the mhev powering the vehicle when paired with an auto tranny. Nissan does something like this but the gains on fuel efficiency or drive experience are negligible.

>>28628879 (OP)
I don't give fuck about small cars and cuckboxes. Mild hybrids have always failed miserably in trucks and SUV's. All that bullshit only gives you one extra MPG.

>>28628879 (OP)
fake power

>>28628879 (OP)
The less complicated shit is, the better. Hybrids are the worst of both worlds. I'll keep my 1.6 L NA manual until I get a full on EV. Who knows, maybe I'll just do an EV swap, I'm not a fan of the new ADAS shit.

I have a 6.2l V8 making 610/680 to the wheels

What is hybrid? U want hybrid fuck? My blower says, "nyet"

>>28629578
Except the engine doesn't charge the battery. Hybrids work on the same concept as turbos: scavenging. The battery is charged from regenerative braking.

>>28630884
Meds

>>28631087
Wait do you not understand how a hybrid works? Like you honestly thought the battery was charged from the alternator?

>>28631200
Other meds, idiot
These are even worse

>>28631408
Lmao bro literally thought hybrid batteries were charged by the alternator and now he's embarrassed. Why would even think that was how they were charged?