Thread 28640334

Meh.

>>28640334 (OP)
>4L60E
>saggy leaf springs
>TBI since you posted 1995
>33" tires require leveling
>35" tires require cutting
>dimmest headlights imaginable unless you go 5x7" with different grille
>no brakes unless you swap in 3/4 ton hydraulic booster
>GOV-BOMB in the rear axle
>IFS
>1996 is the only year with decent engine and bearable interior
Still want to buy one.

>>28640346
>western/central yurop
>4x4ing

>>28640359
Horses for courses.
https://youtu.be/Bx_FEBndJlM

>>28640334 (OP)
>Gay
>Man's
>Cock
Eh.

>>28640334 (OP)
Of course its in my path. That old POS is slow. It also has shitty GM peeling paint

>>28640371
>courses
Exactly.

>>28640371
FYI truck trial involves navigating between the little sticks. Actually doing it is winning.

>>28640334 (OP)
>>28640356
>not buying the superior 2500 pickup version
>not getting the beefcake 4L80
>not buying a vortec engine
>not buying the 454
I shiggity diggity dooo

I've realized that /o/ never talks about the fifth gen 4runner because it's just so accepted as the hands down best 4x4 that there's really nothing to discuss. Sure, soccer moms sometimes give it a bad reputation, and the gx 550 / land cruiser is the same but "better", but with the factory and aftermarket options what they are, there is no contest.

>>28640395
>almost 33.7:1 factory crawl ratio
you're just plain right, but it's way more fun to discuss things when you disregard the obvious solution and consider alternatives

>>28640395
toyotas are massively overrated and toyota fanboys keep the prices beyond what is reasonable
always underpowered which is why their drivetrains always hold up for a long time, don't get me wrong they are decent for what they are, but rarely worth the toyota tax you have to pay these days to buy one
saying this as an ex-Land cruiser guy

>>28640394
>choosing a pickup over a 2-door full size SUV

>>28640402
In general, I completely agree with you. However, there are no other options if you are looking for a true 4x4 rig around $30,000 that will last you decades. Some trucks might come close, but I do recognize that body on frame SUVs are typically the go-to choice for 4x4 activities.

>>2864033
(You) are wrong buddy

>>28640456
>disco2
when they work, they're brilliant.
but they're not a truck for a wrenchlet

>>28640395
Until you sit in one and realize that there's no men in Japan over 5 foot 8

>>28640476
Five foot eight used to be the size three quarters of the humans on the planet were. I fit that number.

>>28640405
you got soft hands brother

>>28640524
I own one GM pickup already.

>>28640334 (OP)
Nice, always loved these fullsize 2dr SUV's (K5/Tahoe, bronco even the ramcharger)

>>28640359
itd probably be really versatile offroad with tractor tires and a spool and some stupid low ring pinion.

>>28640920
Nope
And not even my point

>>28640334 (OP)
Nice try.

>>28641067
Sorry, maam, your bulge is showing
You will never be a real offroader

>>28641078
Truuk.

>>28640476
Can post bread if you need, but I have a 2017, am ~6'2" (188cm), and it's one of the only cars I've driven in a while (including American and German cars) that feels truly appropriate for my size without being obviously made for overweight people.

>>28640356
I knew your opinions were crap and I was proven right when you said you prefer the godawful bulbous plastic refresh dash

>>28640406
Any Bronco 1965-1996 will shit all over a 4runner and OPs neutered Blazer.
Thats not an opinion thats open for debate.
Its just a fact.

>>28640502
It's okay, lil guy. I totally believe your kind used to rule the world. But it's past your bedtime and the grownups are talking

>>28641067
I like an sx4 as much as the next guy but the eagle wagon was just better

>>28641345
Brother, you can increase angles, throw a sway bar disconnect, some 33-36s, and extra lockers on either and you're not even talking about the same rig anymore. A stock '96 Bronco is going to slip into a ditch well before a stock '20 4runner.

>>28641358
You're funny

Are there any modern 2-door suvs that isn't the Jeep or Bronco? Those 2-doors are too short, I still want single-cab standard-bed proportions, but enclosed.

>>28641538
No. Put a canopy on a single cab truck.

>>28640334 (OP)
you can't even reach my path

>>28641336
>prefer
>bearable
I see you can't read. In 1996 there was no breadbox before the passenger at least.

>>28641347
Go find a stupidly oversized truck to go with your stupidly oversized butt plug.
People my age have all the money.

>>28641738
wtf is wrong with this guys face? is this ai?

>>28640334 (OP)
>can off road with anything from a rotary to a big block swapped in
>Dirt cheap
>weighs like 2000lbs
>popular around the globe
solid front and rear
Sometimes I wonder why people even get side by sides. The samurai and the cj7 have to be the best platforms ever produced.

>>28641852
apparently its not and he's part of an ethnic group called ''women''

>>28641888
I considered an SJ13 as a first car. That must have been in the eighties.

>>28641358
Youre clueless and have never driven a Bronco.
A '2020 4runner is about a foot longer than a 96 Bronco. The Bronco also has a tighter turning radius.

>>28641888
>can off road with anything from a rotary to a big block swapped in
What did you swap into yours?

>>28641888
I agree I'd rather have a road legal truck but sxs these days are basically mini Baja buggies. There's no contest.

>>28641801
Or you just get something with the early dash (same as the 88-94 pickups) and have something way better looking.
I will agree with you that the late dual airbag dash was atrocious.

>>28641806
But not enough money to not be a short king

>>28640334 (OP)
The biggest most square beautiful peice of shit ever

>>28642662
Swapping a newer engine and a tranny into a pre-1995 would be ideal, but I'm not in the US and there are not enough graveyards with GM trucks around sadly. Easier to look for a bone stock 1996, import it and register as a classic.

>>28641896
You old af unc

>>28642459
Look up the numbers, dumbfuck.
A Fox body mustang is longer than an 80-96 Bronco

>>28642888
You're insulting somebody despite them never even bringing up lengths.

>>28643387
>doesnt understand facts as presented and has to have them explained....
Shorter wheelbase and tighter turning radius than the 4runner = more nimble on trails.

Thats without getting into the fact that Broncos have limited slip and locker options from the factory. And a 30 yearold truck is putting out 50 more torques.
>b-b-but its 5.7L vs a 4.0L
THIRTY FUCKING YEARS

>>28643503
Displacement was never mentioned. You're arguing with nobody.

>>28640334 (OP)
blocks your path.

>>28642781
dash is super kino

>>28643505
>hideous wheels
Why?
>>28643545
Should've posted 3 door
Or even an Evo

>>28643515
There are very few great engines Ford made a 3.0 and a 2.8. Alfa has a 3. Coventry Climax made all the others. I'm sure someone from the Americas will correct me.

>>28643515
>upset that a 30 yearold Bronco out performs a current 4runner in every metric.

>>28642888
>Fox body mustang is longer than an 80-96 Bronco
No it isn't. Claim sounded interesting but that's because you googled length of bronco + year and got given the length of the Bronco in by artificial "intelligence." The Bronco is over 180" in reality.

>>28643767
Bronco ii

>>28643690
I dont even know if the FE engine lineup was offered to Europe (?).
And yes, SOHCs exist outside of the internet, i know a guy with one (trust fund baby- absolute douchebag).
The Cleveland is an amazing engine.
So is the V6 SHO out of the Taurus (4 valve head designed by Yamaha).
The 2.3L Lima is considered the standard for its class and dominates pony class dirt oval racing and was used in the fox body SVO turbo cars (as well as the earlier Turbo GTs that nobody paid attention to).
The BOSS engines are stupid rare but performance and reliability were off the charts.

>>28643752
>>28643752
>'90 bronco ii width: 68.0"
>'97 4runner width: 66.5"
>every metric

>fifth gen: A-Trac, MTS

>>28643646
>Should've posted 3 door
>Or even an Evo
4 door is comfy.
best car i've ever owned. swiss army knife of transmissions, interior feels bigger than an escalade, 33's on stock suspension, fold down 3rd row, engine runs like butter, absolute monster off road, feels like youre sitting on the front bumper driving. OP doesn't have shit on it.

>>28641067
a true man of class

>>28640346
>Lightweight
>Short wheelbase
>AWD by Steyr Puch
>Cheap
Oh yeah, this IS the eternal emperor of offroad

>>28640334 (OP)
Lower your tone

>>28645554
Pretty sure you could open the glass on the yukon as well. It would open up. The best of that series was the longer 4 door with the barn doors.

>>28644162
>I lost the argument so now ill introduce 2 different vehicles into the conversation.
Gtfo retard.

>>28642662
This makes me miss my old bright teal metallic gmt400

>>28645554
I can put 10 foot 2x4s in my accord and close the trunk. I haul 16 footers with the trunk open if im in town and need something and dont feel like going home for a truck.
Youre not impressing anyone.

>>28640334 (OP)
Modern gm vehicles are so chunky and ugly. The 90s and 00s gave us SOVL

>>28646668
breaking new: trailer trash can "make do"

>>28640334 (OP)
>if only you knew how bad things really are

>>28646248
>bronco
>4runner
literally the cars they were "arguing" about, you fucking mental handicap

>>28647516
Bronco ii is not a Bronco you fucking retard.
Thats like saying a chevelle and a chevette are the same vehicle because they share most of the same letters.
In addition, we were discussing a 2020 4runner. A '97 has nothing in common with a 2020 besides the name.

I dont think this board is for you.
Educate yourself before posting again.

>>28641347
do you genuinely not see the irony of trying to infantalize someone online by talking about their height? Like who actually sounds like the child here between you two to readers itt, do you think


do you post in r/tall too? kek

>>28645554
well anon, ackshually the gen before op's pic had roll down tailgate window, always liked how goyota kept it going

>>28647669
This I knew he didn't know what he was talking about when chatgpt threw the bullshit length number out. Caught all my bullshit radar alarms until I figured out how he got it.

>>28645547
>3 inches of ground clearance
>made out of pot metal and baby toy plastic

>>28643545
Broke down again?
>>28646323
No.

>>28649242
would absolutely shitfist that fruity mall crawler while on street tires

I want a mexican ramcharger

>>28649439
Mall crawler?
That rig is done up nicely.
>modest height
>black steel rims
>functional bumper, winch and skid plate

XJ was the best to ever do it

>>28650109
>have lightweight car
>strap hundreds of pounds of dead weight on top of it

>>28650109
hmm instead of developing a personality I think I will grow out my mustache

>>28650139
He likely uses all that stuff unlike a lot of the mall crawlers with pop up tents and 33s. Part of the fun of offroading is being in the wilderness hanging with your people
>>28650169
millennials are the cringest generation to ever live

>>28649242
>Pootrol driver trying to meme on anyone else about breaking down
Kek

>>28641336
he's right about the gov lock those things are fucking retarded.
everyone who has one says they if they kick in it sounds and feels like being rear ended by a boulder.

>>28650043
Should've added all that to a more robust car.

>>28650219
I spoke from experience: mine killed the diff after some years of occasional usage, the carrier fucking cracked. Was able to drive home and to the shop with minor leakage from the axle seals though.

>>28650171
>millennials are the cringest generation to ever live
lol most trannies are gen z. try again.

>>28650837
Yeah but they self correct that. Millennials just whine and are gay af. Gen Z is extreme in both directions not middle of the road fence humpers.

>>28650423
Because its not BOF (?)
Im not a fan.
I have 5 trucks and they are all framed.
But theres nothing wrong with that example. It has a proven track record.

I have a 97 c2500, apparently it has a locking rear axle which automatically locks as long as you're under 25 mph. is it any good for offroading? of course I'd like a k2500 but people are asking like $7k for them on marketplace and I refuse to pay that much.

>>28651626
>automatically locks as long as you're under 25 mph
Post pics of the low traction trail you plan on doing at 30+ mph.

>>28651626
Pretty sure those got the G80 or "gov bomb". They lock up at low speeds when the wheel speed difference is ~100rpm or something. When they do decide to engage they do it very harshly which can shock load the diff. This only gets worse with low speed, high torque scenarios and gets even worse when you run big tires. Definitely not ideal for serious off road applications. Thankfully there are a plethora of aftermarket auto and manual locking diff options out there for those trucks.

>>28651682
I think the gov bomb is the 10-bolt, mine is the 14 bolt 9.5"

>>28650219
Dad had a 91 K2500 with the G80 and it was fine as long as you don't try to use it like it's a limited slip. The only trouble he had with it, was one time when he was plowing he spun a tire and forgot to let off the gas before it locked in, and it snapped the splines off the axle shaft on that side.

>>28651593
It's BoF alright, but it's a Nissan, they attract really special demographics all over the world for some reason.
The memest Patrol engine is a really expensive shitheap prone to overheating, for example, yet they still praise it.

>>28651682
Mandatory video of the bomb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTGZOJQQBeE

>>28649439
>>28649242
>runs circles around both

>>28651958
GAYYYY

>>28652142
Why are you?

>>28652145
Do you really want to know?

>>28653081
Yeah

>>28640334 (OP)
>4x4
Where are the other 12 wheels?

why hasnt anyone posted one of these yet?

>>28653259
Because they're overpriced memes.
>300hp or less
>shit fuel economy
>gay full time 4wd
>air suspension will break and fuck your wallet
>parts will fuck your wallet
>tall with a short and narrow wheelbase
>looks like a GMC Envoy

>>28653259
You mean one completely riced out?

>>28653259
I like mine but I kinda want something else desu. About to hit 200k so I got another 5-10 years in it pretty ez I think but sometimes I feel the need to consume
>>28653283
The air suspension was easy as fuck to swap out and was not expensive to do at all. Fuel economy + premium does really rape your wallet though. I appreciate the short wheelbase however I don’t do any real crawling or anything like that.

>>28641893
ewww

>>28640456

>No locking center diff
>Have to dig up the trail to get it to activate traction control

Pls go away

>>28658509
That's for turdworlders

>>28658594
>Have to get stuck on the trail to get it to activate traction control
Ftfy

>>28658594
>No locking center diff
That's some Escalade shit, 2003-2013 specifically. Earlier and later models had some means to engage the front in the transfer case.

>>28658714
Moot point.
I can count how many escalades have left the pavement on one hand.

>>28658606
Dakar tech

>>28658764
Could that be because there is a similar Tahoe or Yukon but with a proper transfer case?

>>28659890
Target market for the Escalade are nit the type of people that would play in the dirt.

>>28660189
Probably the same can be said about the Discovery 2, most buyers were Britaboos, some were willing to LARP with lots of pristine gear and mandatory Camel Trophy decals. I think some years or some trims of D2 eventually received the locking center diff, so a tiny bit of the owners might actually take it offroad (some known to me even swapped the transfer cases). But the tiny bit of the owners do it with Escalades. The one pictured has an Atlas tcase btwdesu.

>>28660204
But its such a tiny percentage that on paper it could be attributed to a rounding error.
Statistically that Escalade doesnt exist.
Same with this porsche.

>>28660290
This Porsche is a larp vehicle much alike to lot of abovementioned British pavement queens or mallcrawlers as you call them.

>>28660519
>larp
>won Dakar

make way peasants

>>28660656
This model didn't, are you fucking blind or retarded?

>>28660685
>oh nos!! It was akshually a different chassis number from a different year being ran in the same livery by the same team...
Dipshit.

>>28660983
More like
>completely different car

accidentally a great off road car

>>28650171
>He likely uses all that stuff
nigger he has a fucking awning on the top of his car like it is a RV

> Part of the fun of offroading is being in the wilderness
if you want to be in the wilderness you dont take a fucking awning with you. that is for people with RVs in state parks and electrical hookups.

>>28662878
Are you retarded?

>>28640334 (OP)
Sure, Junior.

>>28640472
if not when

>>28641888
>Dirt cheap
c'mon now, thats a fucking lie and you know it

currently have a C2500 long bed and I think I'm gonna sell it for a K2500 suburban.

I want to go offroading and in particular car camping, but the utility of a bed can't be understated, I'm buying lumber pretty often and other large things, most recently a table saw. Plus moving my motorcycles around, though I guess I could get a dedicated trailer for that.

I'm torn, I don't need third row seating but an enclosed rear would be great, maybe a k2500 pickup with a camper shell?