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Anonymous No.28653286 >>28653291 >>28653292 >>28653303 >>28653306 >>28653325 >>28653333 >>28653355 >>28653367 >>28653405 >>28653558 >>28653578 >>28653813 >>28654679 >>28656904 >>28656916 >>28660294 >>28661714 >>28661891 >>28661926 >>28662421 >>28663675
These are GOATed right? Just want to make sure before I drop a G note at the Crostcro.
Anonymous No.28653291 >>28653294 >>28653303 >>28656332 >>28661995
>>28653286 (OP)
They're stupid. Just buy a normal set of all seasons and a set of winters if you live somewhere with winter. Don't fall for the Michelin meme.
Anonymous No.28653292
>>28653286 (OP)
goaterd w/ the sauce fr fr my duderino
Anonymous No.28653294 >>28653303 >>28656332 >>28658219
>>28653291
>just buy an extra set of wheels and store them year round
Anonymous No.28653300 >>28653303 >>28653367 >>28653394 >>28653437 >>28653604 >>28653817
Tires are difficult to judge. Unless you're a professional tire tester you're not going to experience every tire out there and in a few years when you switch there are new tires on the market. And every brand makes good and bad tires.
I don't trust anyone's tire reviews because of this. With the exception of track tires (Hoosiers, Kumho Ecsta Vs, etc) where some people do test several kinds in short periods of time.
IMO if you don't drive hard enough to break traction ever then just get whatever all seasons. I should note it doesn't snow where I live.
Anonymous No.28653303 >>28653307 >>28654340 >>28654645 >>28658232 >>28658235
>>28653286 (OP)
Michelin Cross Climate 2 is the best all season commuter tire ever made. I run them on my wifes Lexus and they are incredible. Obviously dedicated summer and winter tires will be better but these blast the shit out of every other all season available, its not even close.


>>28653291
Kill yourself dumbass

>>28653294
Can you imagine being so retarded you think its a good idea to have all seasons AND a separate set of winters lmao like why would you ever do that? Just get summers and winters if you are running two sets. That guy is a fucking fag

>>28653300
That was an awful lot of words to say absolutely nothing you fucking retard
Anonymous No.28653306 >>28653438 >>28653903
>>28653286 (OP)
I will confirm, CC2 is GOAT
Something like the Michelin Pilot sport 4/5 AS or Continental DWS06+ would give you better summer performance but slightly worse winter performance (All 3 are great though) of course these peformance all seasons dont last, you will get like 3 years. The CC2s will last significantly longer.
Anonymous No.28653307 >>28653308
>>28653303
>That was an awful lot of words to say absolutely nothing you fucking retard
Okay, try me.
>Michelin Cross Climate 2 is the best all season commuter tire ever made. I run them on my wifes Lexus and they are incredible.
Are you or your wife redlining every day or tossing it into corners at 50+? I suspect you, a married man, are not so reckless with your life.
How many current all-seasons have you tried on similar vehicles? What actual difference have you noticed?
If you're not pushing the traction limit, how do you know they're better tires?
Just because you're satisfied with the tires doesn't mean they're the best.
Anonymous No.28653308 >>28653311
>>28653307
>What about if I move the goal posts and pretend you didnt say COMMUTER all season and start blabbering about driving like a retard on public roads
Shut the fuck up faggot
Anonymous No.28653311 >>28653314
>>28653308
Then how do you know it's better than the other options?
Hint: You don't.
Anonymous No.28653314 >>28653320
>>28653311
I have used 5 all seasons across 3 cars over the last 5 years. I know more than you. Additionally I know what google is and how to read testing literature and find testing footage. Now, shut the fuck up you waste of everyone's time.
Anonymous No.28653320 >>28653324
>>28653314
I do those things too, I'm just saying: How do you know it's actually better without doing dumbass shit? If you don't push the limits then I don't trust your opinion.
I hoon like a madman and intentionally break traction on my commute, I redline quite a few times every day, I buy the shittiest all seasons around so I can slide more. I do trackdays with hoosiers but I don't test enough race tires. You shouldn't trust my opinion, and I won't trust yours. We square?
Anonymous No.28653324 >>28653329
>>28653320
Yes you are a square
Anonymous No.28653325 >>28667356 >>28667381 >>28667440
>>28653286 (OP)
you do not need fancy tires for your shitbox and no your tunes and mods and tint and ill stickers do not make it superior to a shitbox and also you are not a race car driver and you never drive on a race track anyway stay in school
Anonymous No.28653329 >>28653487 >>28661343
>>28653324
Yeah, I passed differential equations as a teenager and am an engineer. That does make me a square.
Anonymous No.28653333 >>28653600
>>28653286 (OP)
alpin5 are great.
Anonymous No.28653355 >>28653600
>>28653286 (OP)
why do winter treads look so much cooler than summer treads
why do all summer tires look so lame
Anonymous No.28653367
>>28653300
>Unless you're a professional tire tester you're not going to experience every tire out there and in a few years when you switch there are new tires on the market
I burn through a set or two of tires every year so I manage to get a good feel for what I want in a tire since I try new ones pretty often.

>>28653286 (OP)
CrossClimate 2 will fulfill your all-weather needs but that siping pattern will sacrifice some lateral G, which isn't a problem unless you drive like you fly in very hot. I find that it's harder to kick out the rear in snow so long as it's not at the limit though. It flings out snow fairly easily so you don't have an icy brick of a wheel in the slushy stuff.
Anonymous No.28653394 >>28653397
>>28653300
>what is tirerack.com
Anonymous No.28653397 >>28654942
>>28653394
>This tire is 5/5 because we've had it for 2 months and haven't died
...reviewers say as a way to justify spending 2x more for the same quality tire when they haven't even tired another tire in 5 years. "I spent more, it has to be better."
Anonymous No.28653405 >>28653518 >>28653588 >>28660361 >>28661747
>>28653286 (OP)
Are these "all-season" tyres actually decent in real winter conditions?
I notice they have the 3PMSF marking so they're legal to use in my country, but we have real winters here.
Anonymous No.28653437
>>28653300
Same thing applies with track tires as well.
I've had retards use Hoosier A7s incorrectly and completely ruined their tests.
They can't be bothered to test properly.
Anonymous No.28653438 >>28653607
>>28653306
they even make a crossclimate sport now
Anonymous No.28653487
>>28653329
Thats a rectangle.
Anonymous No.28653518 >>28653530 >>28653588 >>28667336 >>28667424
>>28653405
All seasons are so shit. Should just buy a set of summers and winters. It's the same as people buying 5 in 1 shampoo, marketed to poor and lazy People
Anonymous No.28653530 >>28653588 >>28654342
>>28653518
Or just buy winters and use them all year round, shit. They’ll wear fast during summer but mine still performed great in march/april rains (I guarantee they were better than all seasons even in the warm seasons).
Anonymous No.28653558 >>28667341 >>28667356
>>28653286 (OP)
Picrel are made at the same Michelin factory in Nyiregyhaza, Hungary but cost half as much.
Anonymous No.28653578
>>28653286 (OP)
They’re easily the best all season ever made. Easily. I run them on my wife’s car and they have excellent snow traction and they’re quiet. 10/10 tire in all categories (for all season)
Anonymous No.28653588
>>28653405
>>28653518
They've improved a lot and are vastly better than summers in snow and ice, sure, but I don't think they can entirely avoid the fact that the rubber they're made of is typically mixed for summer conditions.
Once the temperature is seriously below freezing, a proper winter tire will perform noticeably better on most surfaces, even dry asphalt.

>>28653530
>buy winters and use them all year round
Just be careful in wet conditions. Most seriously optimized winter tires can aquaplane at surprisingly low speeds if you drive into deep enough water. Especially after they wear down a bit, which will happen quickly if they're made of proper winter tire rubber.
Anonymous No.28653592
without reading all the replies in this thread, the CC2's are actually great winter tires if your winter aren't too extreme. I think it'd be a dumb choice if you're not using them in winter. and if you're using 2 sets of tires, this should be on the winter side - don't get these all seasons for the 3 non-winter seasons, get summers for that.
tl;dr - these are good all seasons, even better cold weather all seasons. use them paired with summers if you're not using them year round, don't use them as your non winter tires unless you live in some freak climate that snows 9 months a year.
Anonymous No.28653600 >>28653750 >>28653855
>>28653333
There is no Alipine5
There is a Pilot Alpine 5, its a winter performance tire not an all season.

>>28653355
Cross Climate 2 is not a winter tire.
Anonymous No.28653604
>>28653300
>if you don't drive hard enough to break traction
>mfw my retarded turdgen firebird sometimes breaks traction in slight turns driving casually
Anonymous No.28653607
>>28653438
Whaaaattt Thanks anon Ill look into it
Anonymous No.28653750
>>28653600
>Cross Climate 2 is not a winter tire.
are you being a smartass with me snownigger
Anonymous No.28653754 >>28653770 >>28654645 >>28657483
What is the best tires for a 2wd trugg in the South? It doesn’t snow here.
Anonymous No.28653770
>>28653754
if it's a fullsize probably a generic 28/29" tall suv tire in the front, in the rear probably a set of khumho mts, maybe up to or around 30" tall, maybe road ventures.
really can't look up a set without wheel dia/width and a ballpark of the fender clearance
Anonymous No.28653778
I only buy Falken, shrimple assfuck.
Anonymous No.28653813
>>28653286 (OP)
They're pretty good, but they hum like a bastard, when they start to wear.
Anonymous No.28653817
>>28653300
>if you don't drive hard enough to break traction ever then just get whatever all seasons
this is what led me to replace two sets of AS tires in quick succession. first set was necessary, and found that they broke traction badly in the rain and on somewhat quick turns. swapped them to "high performance" all seasons that did the same, but not as severe. still kinda shit in the rain, so I switched to 320TW summers and never looked back. those only break traction when I do 10/10 on shit roads, or the one time I missed a shift like a retard at high speed in a downpour

I do agree that if you've never broken traction on wet roads, with newer tires, you don't need performance anything
Anonymous No.28653855
>>28653600
Cross climates are nearly as good as General Artic's and are 50x better than Blizzaks.
And they don't wear out after 3 seasons
Anonymous No.28653903
>>28653306
You'll get about 18 months of good grip from PS4S/06+ then they start to noticeably drop off, at least if you drive mostly normally, use the grip to turn harder usually, and have some pedal mashing fun a couple times a week.
>t. have ran both tires twice each
Anonymous No.28654055 >>28654093 >>28654645 >>28655343 >>28668230
What's the best wet performance tire on the market right now?
Must be available in 17" or 18" wheel size, and at least 275 wide.
Anonymous No.28654093 >>28654123
>>28654055
>wet performance
>17" or 18" wheel size, and at least 275 wide
Bridgestone Potenza Sport.

Contrary to popular belief, summer tires are better than all seasons in the wet. The actual difference is temperature. Under 40F summer tires lose a lot of traction but all seasons do not.
Anonymous No.28654123
>>28654093
Thanks. I remember an AER racer mentioning the bridgestones too.
Anonymous No.28654185
americans actually buy no season tires lmaoooo
Anonymous No.28654340 >>28654466 >>28654496 >>28654504
>>28653303
>Just get summers and winters if you are running two sets.
And never ever drive in the rain again.
Anonymous No.28654342
>>28653530
>I guarantee they were better than all seasons
I guarantee you don't know shit from fuck you god damn retard
Anonymous No.28654466
>>28654340
you've clearly never driven with summers on in the rain
Anonymous No.28654496 >>28654572
>>28654340
Summer tires absolutely destroy no-seasons in the rain. It's only freezing that they can't handle. The problem with the summer/winter combo is that all seasons can be stored in a garage for the winter but summers need to be stored indoors where they won't freeze.
Anonymous No.28654504
>>28654340
Have you ever seen a summer tire? The rain channels are massive
Anonymous No.28654545
I have the pirelli version and like it a lot. Didn't want a separate winter tire and have a coupe with summers which I use most of the time.
Anonymous No.28654572 >>28654576 >>28660340
>>28654496
>summers need to be stored indoors where they won't freeze.
>citation needed
it's only true for under load (e.g. on a vehicle that's on the ground). I've stored my summers for years, without issue, mounted but up on a rack, in an un-insulated garage in a region that has chunks of time around -30c in the winter

now if you were to try and drive on the fuckers in below zero weather, or if there's even a hint of frost, may God have mercy on you
Anonymous No.28654576 >>28654590 >>28660340
>>28654572
>he drives so slow he can't even tell when his tires are fucked
Just buy all seasons.
Anonymous No.28654590
>>28654576
more like i dont get enough seasons before I'm riding the wear lines to even let cracking take place. don't know why you're being a faggot though, and I'm never buying all seasons again, they fucking suck
Anonymous No.28654645
>>28653303


They are top tier for sure and anyone looking for a year round tyre that can handle snow without being compromised in summer won't be disappointed.
That being said, it is definitely very close and there are options as good or better in different ways that may fit someone's use-case or general preferences more, and Michelin even sells one of them.
The PSAS4 has significantly greater wet grip (and the DWS06+ even better still), to say nothing of braking and dry traction as well, while still also being able to handle slushy roads in freezing conditions in a way that no summer tyre ever could. For people who live in temperate climes a seasonal tyre like this would likely be perfect for their driving experience.

For someone who lives in some place like canada or sweden, then a more snow focused all-weather tyre like the Continental ASC2 or Pirelli ASSF3 would be the play. These are more directly comparable designs to the CC2, with snow traction right up there with many dedicated winter tyres. As far as particularities go the traction in snow is basically equivalent with perhaps a slight edge to the CC2; in terms of 'getting through the snow bank out of your driveway' ability, they basically all can do the job; meanwhile the wet grip is better by a larger margin in the first two, and some may appreciate the better price and treadlife on the continental asc2's as well.

>>28653754
Continental TerrainContact H/T is a great regular duty large vehicle tyre.

>>28654055
SportContact 7, ExtremeContact 02, Eagle Asymmetric 6.
Anonymous No.28654679
>>28653286 (OP)

I have them and they’re great in wet and in snow/slush. They drop your fuel economy a couple MPG and they can be noisier than tires with a more normal tread. They aren’t a performance tire or anything, but dry traction isn’t terrible.

I have a 2019 accord and they look slightly goofy with the exaggerated tread sidewall on a road tire.

I rate them 8.5/10 overall, 10/10 in snow and wet.
Anonymous No.28654942
>>28653397
They test the tires back to back on the same car on skid pads and stuff. Maybe take 5 minutes to check it out before talking about stuff you know nothing about.
Anonymous No.28655225 >>28655237
would i be stupid to run PS4 all year round if temps sometimes get below 0°, but almost never any snow?
Anonymous No.28655230
all the rich knowers in my city drive on cross climates.
Literally, look in the parking lot for a late model luxury car it's almost certainly sitting on them.
Anonymous No.28655237 >>28655248 >>28655296
>>28655225
0 what.
Perf tires should basically never be allowed to roll on roads that are colder than about 45F and the michelins are even more susceptible to cold temp tread tearing.
Anonymous No.28655240
>all seasons
lmao
Anonymous No.28655248 >>28655251
>>28655237
>0 what.
NTA, but I guess normal degrees because Burger ones don't have anything special at zero.
Anonymous No.28655251 >>28655296
>>28655248
I said it to be an asshole calm down I love you alsi kill yourself.

Perf tires should never be run when weather is colder than 45f, and I'd say 45f is the LIMIT, you should be switching to a more appropriate tire when it gets below the 50s F range.
Anonymous No.28655296 >>28655773
>>28655237
>>28655251
fug
i wish i could get pilot all seasons but they don't make them in my tire size, it's a pain
i could get crossclimates but it feels like a waste when i never get any snow (and they don't make the new crossclimate sport in 17" yet)
Anonymous No.28655343 >>28655410 >>28655928
>>28654055
idk, big water channels are good ?
Anonymous No.28655410
>>28655343
Yes and also deep

t.recently read a bunch of research on wet perfomance
Anonymous No.28655773
>>28655296
and what is your size?
Anonymous No.28655928
>>28655343
>uniroyal rainexpert 5
Its performance is mid. It's a premium summer touring tire. The Michelin Pilot Sport 4 is better in the wet. Which is a max performance summer tire.
Anonymous No.28656332 >>28656577 >>28656723 >>28656755 >>28657483
>>28653291
>>28653294
Does anyone really buy an expensive extra pair of winter tires and pay to mount them every year? Not to mention that you’d need a huge garage to store extra tires.

I seriously doubt many people have the money, time and space for all that.
Anonymous No.28656577 >>28659894 >>28660434 >>28660623
>>28656332
>Does anyone really buy an expensive extra pair of winter tires and pay to mount them every year?
Unless you park the vehicle and have a winter beater, yes. And no you don't pay to have them mounted. Smart people have their winter tires on a spare set of rims so you can do the swap at home.
>Not to mention that you’d need a huge garage to store extra tires.
A stack of wheels takes up like 2 fucking square feet of space.
>I seriously doubt many people have the money, time and space for all that.
Where the fuck do you live and just how poor are you?
Anonymous No.28656651
I buy poor people contis and I'm good. Can't even find good 15" in my cuntree.
Anonymous No.28656723
>>28656332
Four wheels with tire take up a 2.5x2.5x4 foot area. The stereotypically mid, scatter brained, anxiety driven woman in a house is using 20x that for all her stupid bullshit that hasn't been touched in 10-40 years.
Anonymous No.28656755 >>28658225
>>28656332
Euros do
Probably Cucknadians too
You don't need a huge garage to store tires btw, they aren't that big
t.euro
Anonymous No.28656904
>>28653286 (OP)
Get Pirelli Cinturatos instead if they come in your size.
Anonymous No.28656916
>>28653286 (OP)
>>2865329
Do myself and the world a favor and die in a cancer fire. Just because you mash random words together dosent mean it's good. God im fucking tired of being old
Anonymous No.28656917 >>28657474
Are cc2>cc3?
Anonymous No.28657474 >>28657536
>>28656917


The cc3 and especially the cc3 sport will be a huge improvement if the ones they sell are the same as the ones they sent to youtubers for testing.
Best all-weather touring tyre in the market right now though is the AllSeasonContact 2 imhotbqhwyrntfam.
Anonymous No.28657483
>>28656332
>and pay to mount them every year?
Some people really like to buy a 2nd set of cheaper steelies for the winter tires, and rack store them in some wall somewhere..

>>28653754
Toyo
Anonymous No.28657536
>>28657474
Thanks
Anonymous No.28658219
>>28653294
>he doesn't have space to store a set of tires.
Pathetic.
notamiata !!7jD4WzxN5if No.28658225 >>28658248
>>28656755
People who swap only their tires are retards.
>take up basically the same space with or without the rimz
>higher chance of gargledeep fucking up your rimz every time he has to mount/dismount the tires
>higher chance of leaking from years of rubber cement not being properly scrapped off
>have to book weeks ahead during busy tire change season, good luck getting a weekend spot so you likely have to do it during the day when you're working.
Yeah fuck that I'll put them on separate wheels and change them in 20 minutes on my driveway whenever I feel like it.
Anonymous No.28658232
>>28653303
based and correct mass reply
notamiata !!7jD4WzxN5if No.28658235
>>28653303
>he thinks his "no climate" tires don't have massive compromises compared to just running 2 dedicated sets of wheels
Anonymous No.28658248
>>28658225
Please don't reply to my posts. Thank you.
Anonymous No.28659894 >>28663668
>>28656577
>just dont be poor

Holy shit nigger why didnt I think of that?
Anonymous No.28660294 >>28660355
>>28653286 (OP)
How well do these kinds of tyres perform in below freezing temps?
Anonymous No.28660340
>>28654576
Pray tell what chemical change happens to summer rubber in freezing temps? Hint: Cold temperatures slow or stop chemical reactions, instead of causing them.

Summer rubber has bad performance in low temperatures, but you could store them in a chest freezer and it’d be fine, so long as they reach ambient temperature before you went driving, and that ambient temperature was above 10°c.
>>28654572
Storing them under load, if you have a summer only car, for instance, should be no more deleterious effect than storing them under load in their operating temperature, unless the temperature change causes your rims to lose pressure due to dodgy bead seal up, and you just let them go flat instead of keeping them topped. Now, this isn’t to say that taking the load off isn’t a good idea in all conditions, but cold storage isn’t a special concern.
Anonymous No.28660355
>>28660294
these days a top all-weather tyre like asc2, cc2, assf3, or vector 4s are as good or better than some dedicated winter tyres in the slush
certain performance winter tyres like the goodyear ultragrip 3 or pilot alpin 5 have treadlife that might let you get away with using them year round, too, if you feel experimental
Anonymous No.28660361 >>28660477 >>28662357
>>28653405
I can't speak for "all-season," but I have 3PMSF-rated "all-terrain" tires (Falken Wildpeak AT3W) on my truck. They're pretty good in snow and slush but sketchy as fuck on ice. I'm probably going to get real winters this year though since I'm now commuting 25mi to the next town over. It's kind of a hard call in my region though because winter temps and weather are all over the place and I may only really need the tires' capability 15-20 days out of the whole season, but when you need it you need it.
Anonymous No.28660434 >>28660446
>>28656577
>A stack of wheels takes up like 2 fucking square feet of space.
Are you retarded enough to not understand how square footage works, or are these tires for a childrens bicycle? a 33 inch tires laid on its side takes up 8 square feet of space
Anonymous No.28660446 >>28660521 >>28660556 >>28660598
>>28660434
>a 33 inch tires
most cars don't have 33 inch tires monster truck-kun
Anonymous No.28660477 >>28660493
>>28660361
Destination A/T2's, Defender LTX M/S2's, Dueler A/T Ascents, and Outpost APT's are all great in ice and snow. If you're already getting by with at3w's in your area, those would be a step up above that.
Anonymous No.28660493
>>28660477
Well, I was getting by with A/T3Ws when I only had to drive slowly around town and could sit out the worst days. Having to commute regardless of conditions on a highway where everybody else is doing 75mph+ on real winter tires changes stuff a lot. I should also say that I moved here last winter from a place that doesn't get snow (I'd only experienced it in the mountains on ski trips) so I need all the help I can get too.

I've never liked my stock wheels and have wanted aftermarket ones forever, so I could kill two birds with one stone by getting aftermarket ones for spring-fall and using my stockers for winter tires. I also have an impact gun etc. so I can change my own wheels.
Anonymous No.28660521 >>28660600
>>28660446
>monster truck-kun
NTA, but 32-33" is the factory size for lots of SUVs
Anonymous No.28660556 >>28660598 >>28660623 >>28663367
>>28660446
4 hardware store vinyl coated hooks lets you store a set of spare 255/35x19s on rim in 265 square inches or so, under 2 square feet. You do need to be able to life a wheel and tire to ~80 inches off the ground to get the top one on the hook, however, and this also requires you to be able to find a stud in the wall, so the fatherless retard types might struggle to do it.
Anonymous No.28660598 >>28660751 >>28660764
>>28660446
>most cars don't have 33 inch tires monster truck-kun
275x60r20 arent exactly monster truck tires

>>28660556
>255/35x19s on rim in 265 square inches or so, under 2 square feet
are you retarded? those are 26" tires:
(26"x26")/144" = 4.69 square feet
Anonymous No.28660600 >>28660606 >>28660648 >>28660655
>>28660521
From a quick google the only ones that do are certain trim options for Broncos, Wranglers, 4Runners, and Colorados

32s are chunky as fuck.
Anonymous No.28660606 >>28660610
>>28660600
Look at full size SUVs and pickups, 2nd Gen Armadas/QX80s are stock, Expeditions use 32", Tahoes use 31.6".
Anonymous No.28660610 >>28660623
>>28660606
Fair enough, still a far cry from "most cars"
Anonymous No.28660623 >>28660764 >>28661246
>>28660610
regardless we're talking about what tires fit in 2 square feet which >>28660556 and >>28656577 keeps ranting about, which would be 17" tires. Considering mountain bikes typically come with 29" tires, the only way you're finding tires fitting in 2 square feet, is for a childrens bike

https://www.schwinnbikes.com/products/elise-16in?variant=45870395359401
Anonymous No.28660648 >>28660651
>>28660600
Idk quick googling and tire calculator told me current gen Tahoe has 32.8"
My 20 year old GMT800 had 32" from the factory
>From a quick google the only ones that do are certain trim options for Broncos, Wranglers, 4Runners, and Colorados
So a lot of midsize SUVs too, in addition to full size?
Anonymous No.28660651 >>28660662
>>28660648
Next time you go out, count how many cars are riding on 30+ inch tires.
It's not most of them, probably less than 25%
Anonymous No.28660655
>>28660600
>32s are chunky as fuck.
70% sidewall is "chunky"
32"s are "normal", they can also be "thin" if 50% or even fewer sidewall
I mean even cuckovers or regular cars with no ground clearance have 29-30" or close to that
Anonymous No.28660657
Kumhosisters where you at
Anonymous No.28660662 >>28660666
>>28660651
Look at US sales stats and how big a percentage SUVs and trucks are.
Anonymous No.28660666 >>28660688
>>28660662
Anonymous No.28660688
>>28660666
Thank you Satan
Anonymous No.28660751
>>28660598
Don’t lay them flat you fatherless dipshit, hang them on the wall.
Anonymous No.28660764 >>28661238 >>28661697
>>28660623
>>28660598
Anonymous No.28661238 >>28661532 >>28661697
>>28660764
Potentially an even better option.
Anonymous No.28661246 >>28661697 >>28661901
>>28660623
Put them in a fucking stack or get a fucking vertical rack... They don't take up that much fucking room. Stack them 2x2 and turn them into a coffee table if you're so short on space in your containment cell.
Anonymous No.28661343
>>28653329
damn bro u think ur tough? I still take laplace transforms and the inverses without using a table
Anonymous No.28661532
>>28661238
definitely better if you have the real estate on a wall. I have one set stacked in a corner of my garage (with a shelf directly above), and the other up on the wall on one of these. they're great, and you can get ones that fold up if you need it. I guess it would suck if you live in an apartment, but that isn't a me problem
Anonymous No.28661546 >>28661569
For me it’s Falken summer and winter tires.
Anonymous No.28661569 >>28661644
>>28661546
think i'm gonna go for some sailun this winter
i bought a new car that came with some ~8 year old jinyu (what even is that) winter tires and the tread is actually still alright, i guess the chinese are learning
Anonymous No.28661644
>>28661569
Tread isn't the issue with old tires. It's that the rubber has degraded. Replace them.
Anonymous No.28661697 >>28661757 >>28661889
>>28660764
>>28661238
that is even worse you retard. Again using 275/60R20s as an example - 33 inches diameter, 11 inches wide, you are now using (33*44)/144 = 10 square feet instead of 8 by stacking them on top of each other. regardless this is using a fuck load more than the 2 square feet claimed

>>28661246
thats what I was referring to you retard
Anonymous No.28661714
>>28653286 (OP)
>G note
Funny, the motorcycle version is known for it's cheapness, $45 each.
Anonymous No.28661747 >>28661789
>>28653405
the newer 3pmsf all seasons like the cross climate are actually good in the snow, not as good as dedicated winter tires of course but much better than regular all seasons
if your car has AWD and you don't want to mess with 2 sets of tires I'd say they are a safe choice, unless you live somewhere so icy that studded winter tires are the norm
Anonymous No.28661757 >>28661838
>>28661697
A 255/35R19 (rear tire, E46 M3) is approximately 26x10.3. If you have 4 hooks on the wall oriented vertically, you are using less than 288 square inches of floor space. If you lay them on face, it’s ~5 square feet, but that’s poor space optimization. The 4 across ceiling mounted rack doesn’t use any floor space, but it’s not as cheap, and I was backing up someone spitballing 2 square feet with an example that uses 2 square feet.
Anonymous No.28661789 >>28662010
>>28661747
I'm mainly concerned about how soft the rubber will remain in temps like -10 celsius (around 10F), which we have here quite regularly. Ice is not really a problem since I mostly drive on main roads that are well-maintained.
Anonymous No.28661838 >>28661867
>>28661757
>I was backing up someone spitballing 2 square feet with an example that uses 2 square feet.
the only thing using 2 square feet you retard are 17 inch tires, which you'll only find on shit like a childrens bicycle or a riding mower
Anonymous No.28661867
>>28661838
You have very poor spatial reasoning. Stop being a retard. 2piR is not relevant to what we are talking about, diameter times section is.
Anonymous No.28661889 >>28661898
>>28661697
>placing the same four objects vertically vs horizontally will take up a different amount of space
Anonymous No.28661891
>>28653286 (OP)
look. dont listen to the idiots here telling you they cant judge a tire itt.
I have them. I drive a lot. I've tried all brands.
It is better to have 2 sets. One for winter and one for summer.
HOWEVER, if you can't, then those are truly very good.
I live in an area where it snows, and where it is illegal to not have snow tires during winter.
They are truly very good on snow, and they work great the rest of the year. I dont have to change tires every 6 months. They last reasonably long, they dont make a lot of noise, they work great in the snow. I say buy them if you can afford them. You're not going to regret it because at the end of the day, they're just good tires.
>t. just a normal everyday driver. this advice does not apply if you're some sort of racerfag
Anonymous No.28661898 >>28661921
>>28661889
Volume? Yeah, it’s the same. But we’ve been talking about square feet of floor space, not volume (which is measured in cubic feet, not square feet, nimrod).
Anonymous No.28661901
>>28661246
>They don't take up that much fucking room
looks about the same as an old fridge
>containment cell
kek, like those 1930s era car garages that can barely fit an Austin 7
Anonymous No.28661921 >>28661977
>>28661898
>we’ve been talking about square feet of floor space
>previous posts discussing wall mount options
so how does the square footage of floor space apply to shit mounted on a wall in different applications/arrangements, nimrod?
Anonymous No.28661926
>>28653286 (OP)
They're all weather tires with a tire tread for getting through snow.
They're not as good if you live somewhere that's cold but doesn't get much snow.
Anonymous No.28661977 >>28662403
>>28661921
A stack of tires on their side has a floor area of 2 pi R^2, a stack of tires oriented tread-down has a floor area of diameter * section width. For example, the area taken up by a 33x12.50x15 that is hanging on the wall is 412.5 square inches (a rectangle nominally 33 x 12.5), but if you lay it flat, it will take up a floor circle that is ~855 square inches and if you use a rectangle equivalent like a normal floor plan person, because circles are inconvenient shapes, it really consumes a nominal 1,089 square inches.

So if you orient your tires with the tread face to floor on hooks, they take up less than half the space they realistically consume if you just make a tire stack.

Maybe the idea of lifting your shit onto hooks confounds you, and seems like excess hassle, but if you let all of your stuff crowd you out because you don’t want to bother organizing it, your life will be a shit heap.
Anonymous No.28661995 >>28662209
>>28653291
There's literally no reason to buy winter tires unless you live in among the mountains and need access to towns or remote areas from your dogshit access roads that are poorly maintained. Literally anyone that lives near a real city or a major suburb hub has no reason to get winter tires at all. Your roads will be cleaned within hours unless you live in a 3rd world shithole.
Anonymous No.28662010
>>28661789
You will likely not have any problems with a high quality choice like continental or michelin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKtnczk8Mxk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=421HkK4Nqss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7xROFzVFWU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kyPJcnSCC0
Anonymous No.28662209 >>28663161
>>28661995
>mutts be like
Anonymous No.28662338
They are great but overpriced.
Picrel‘s PZ5 is the new champ and it’s cheaper than the PS4S
Anonymous No.28662343 >>28662404 >>28662454
Gonna need some tires for my honda ridgeline and want something that can handle light offroading, heavy rain, some snow/ice, but still handle well on the street which is what I do the most. I love hooning corners with this truck but want something that can take a bit of a beating. So far my number 1 pick is Yokohama Geolandar CV 4S because its light and seems like it would handle well on the road and handle mild offroad. #2 is Nokian Outpost APT since it seems like a tougher tire maybe better offroad but I'm not sure about on road performance, brand, and its a bit heavier.
Anonymous No.28662357 >>28662390 >>28662404
>>28660361
>but I have 3PMSF-rated "all-terrain" tires (Falken Wildpeak AT3W) on my truck.
AT tyres are the most dogshit compromised tyre category in existence

they suck off road
they suck on road
they suck in wet
they suck on ice and snow
Anonymous No.28662390
>>28662357
real
Anonymous No.28662403 >>28663367
>>28661977
>So if you orient your tires with the tread face to floor on hooks, they take up less than half the space they realistically consume if you just make a tire stack.
they dont, because you arent going to, because you've clearly never hung anything on a wall and dont understand how studs are spaced, and how you wont be able to place them anywhere you want, so you have a bunch of wasted space around them, because they're 12" away from where you want them to be. that also ignores that this column of four 33" tires is 11 fucking feet tall before you take in to account spacing between the fires so you can manuever them on and off, and that these tires weigh 50-70 pounds, so good fucking luck carrying them up and down a god damn latter. i swear to god you retarded fucking autists are too butthurt to ever admit your idea is retarded and hasnt been given more than two seconds of actual though by someone who has never even changed a tire in their life, much less hung a TV on a wall
Anonymous No.28662404 >>28662897
>>28662343
I have the Outpost nAT's and their on road performance is pretty impressive for something that aggressive. I'm sure the APT's would be much better. All the Nokian tires have super stiff sidewalls which don't ride the best but they feel amazing in the corners.

>>28662357
What the fuck are you supposed to run then? What if you drive in multiple conditions in a single day? Are you supposed to bring 4 sets of wheels with you wherever you go? AT's are supposed to be good but not the best at everything which they do just fine.
Anonymous No.28662421
>>28653286 (OP)
I just buy the $40 Sentury Touring all-seasons and I've never critically lost traction on those.
Anonymous No.28662454
>>28662343


Dueler LX
Anonymous No.28662897 >>28664077 >>28664795
>>28662404
>What the fuck are you supposed to run then? What if you drive in multiple conditions in a single day? Are you supposed to bring 4 sets of wheels with you wherever you go? AT's are supposed to be good but not the best at everything which they do just fine.
Are you retarded? LT rated summers in the summer and LT rated winter in the winters.
They get the same amount of traction off-road as your cowadoody larping bro ATs while being significantly better in every on-road scenario where you spend vast majority of time anways
Anonymous No.28663161 >>28663674
>>28662209
>eurocucks be like, without even any snow on the ground
Anonymous No.28663367
>>28662403
Solvable for a man with a brain.
>>28660556
>>4 hardware store vinyl coated hooks lets you store a set of spare 255/35x19s on rim in 265 square inches or so, under 2 square feet. You do need to be able to life a wheel and tire to ~80 inches off the ground to get the top one on the hook, however, and this also requires you to be able to find a stud in the wall, so the fatherless retard types might struggle to do it.
The vast majority of people who keep winter tires are driving cars, not truck based SUVs which typically have 4wd.
Which is why I used a passenger tire example when I suggested hooks.

But even if you’re keeping a second set of tires for a GMT800 like some fucking wierdo
>this column of four 33" tires is 11 fucking feet tall
Because of the fact that the tire takes up 415 square inches instead of 1100, you can use 2 columns of hooks and still save space compared to piling tires on the sides like someone who doesn’t have to worry about space.
>incoherent sobbing about wall stud locations not being where you want them
Again with the fatherless moron stuff. You will have somewhere around 50 studs usable for hanging things from in a typical 20x24 2 car garage, depending on how and where the man door(s) and windows are framed in. If you can’t plan your work bench and tool box and storage shelves to give you reasonably convenient access to 2 of them (you’re only changing twice a year), you should just fucking give up on doing anything relating to home maintenance or car repair.never mind that you can always put a purloin across 3 studs and mount whatever you want wherever you want for a very minimal space penalty if you’ve bought a garage with built in work benches and cabinets that make your studs truly impossible to center a tire over
Anonymous No.28663668
>>28659894
If you're running out of money you can just buy some more
Anonymous No.28663674 >>28663688
>>28663161
Same story I guess
>There's literally no reason to buy winter tires unless you live in among the mountains
Anonymous No.28663675
>>28653286 (OP)
>sort by cheapest
i've mogged you
Anonymous No.28663688 >>28663696
>>28663674
Yes. Winter tires are for real snow conditions. My area's weather is pic related. We have an average of 3 days of snow per year. All seasons work well here because quite often it's below 50F but isn't snowing or icy.
Anonymous No.28663696 >>28663707
>>28663688
>posts pileup without snow
>snow snow for real snow no show don't need em
How fucking retarded a man can be?
Anonymous No.28663707 >>28663725
>>28663696
As it turns out, the road can be dry, not snowy, not icy and still have pileups occur. Because it ain't the type of tire that caused it.
Anonymous No.28663725 >>28664716
>>28663707
Congrats, you were able to recall that ice exists!
Anonymous No.28664077 >>28664305
>>28662897
>LT rated summers
That doesn't exist, retard. Those would just be all season LT's with a highway orientated tread pattern. These tread patterns suck on gravel, dirt, mud and snow. Most people aren't going to sacrifice grip in those areas for a little better on road performance.
>LT rated winter in the winters
Yes this would be ideal and a lot of people do this. However it isn't really necessary if you live somewhere with mild winters. Modern AT winter performance is pretty impressive. Your selection goes to shit once you get into 33'+ tires.

What did AT's do to you? Did they fuck your life or something? Are you even allowed to run AT's over there?
Anonymous No.28664305 >>28664795 >>28666561
>>28664077
>Modern AT winter performance is pretty impressive.
NTA, but that's bullshit. They can suddenly surprise you with how much they suck ass on slush combined with salt (or other chemicals they use in my area idk), that's from my personal experience: I once tried not changing to winter LTs for the winter when it was mild. Everything seemed to be fine until I had to hard brake at some inner-city highway and the stopping distance and deceleration rate were so awful I changed to my Nokians the next morning and will never experiment like that again.
And I'm not even talking about some occasional ice that can form on a windy overpass even if the average temp is above freezing for example.

Hope this blog post will save someone's shit. Don't fucking skip on proper winter tires.
Anonymous No.28664493
>ALPINE A110 x MICHELIN
a match made in heaven
Anonymous No.28664716 >>28665054
>>28663725
There is no ice in that picture.
Anonymous No.28664795
>>28662897
That gets harder when you don't have clearly defined, consistent, summer and winter seasons. I live at the interface of high desert and mountains which already means crazy variable weather, my daily commute takes me to a town that's on average 10 degrees warmer and much dryer even though it's only 25mi away, and if I want to go to a big city, which I need to do every few months, I have to cross a mountain range and then end up at sea level in a much warmer valley where it's like 60 degrees and drizzling when it's 30 and dumping powder at my house.

>>28664305
>how much they suck ass on slush
I actually had the opposite experience with mine last winter. Rock solid in slush while people with real winter tires, even studs, were all over the place. Very good in deep snow too. Ice with no/minimal snow, though, that was fucking scary.
Anonymous No.28665054
>>28664716
So? I'm just happy for you, because you got over yourself and mentioned another reason for using dedicated winter tires besides snow. Snow by itself isn't a major concern, especially for cityfags and major highways.
Anonymous No.28666561
>>28664305
There is no 'they' to speak of with 'AT' tyres because it is a huge field full of different models with wildly divergent characteristics.
So you can have everything from things like wrangler atas or terra grapplers that are basically like summer highway tyres in the cold, to things like dueler at ascents or destination at2s that are better than your budget winter tyre in the same conditions.
Anonymous No.28667036 >>28667052 >>28667255 >>28668348
I'm not rich enough to buy the CrossClimates, are these budget knock-offs good enough as an alternative?
>Maxxis Allseason Ap3
Anonymous No.28667052 >>28667170
>>28667036
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre-Tests/2022-Auto-Bild-SUV-All-Season-Tyre-Test.htm

>decent dry performance
>mediocre wet performance
>worst snow performance by far
>noisy and inefficient
>not even the cheapest tire

Definitely wouldn't buy these for a place where snow might remain on the ground for weeks or months. Maybe they're ok for a little snow or slush now and then, but there probably are better tires with similar prices.
How badly do you want to risk your car and life to save 20%?
Anonymous No.28667170 >>28667222
>>28667052
>SUV test
Really not relevant to me, not a soccer mom.
Anonymous No.28667222
>>28667170
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre-Tests/2022-Auto-Bild-All-Season-Tyre-Test.htm

I found a test including the non-SUV version, which was about equally bad.
They also tested its wear rate, and found that it wears out almost twice as quickly as the most durable tire. Not sure if you're even saving any money with this crap.
Anonymous No.28667255
>>28667036
Dont cheap out on tires
Anonymous No.28667302 >>28667318
If anyone wants actual input this deep into the thread - I've had a set for ~15,000 miles on my 2018 Mazda3 hatchback in 205/60/16.

I purchased the car CPO and it unfortunately had 4 brand new Ironman tires which were garbage and I expected to replace. The CC2 is a capable tire, well above "normal" all seasons in snow although areas deeper than 4" of slush and BS slow it down. In fairness, 4+ inches of snow and slush you sink to the bottom of is relatively uncommon and this is mainly an issue in the center of intersections after very heavy snowfall with heavy traffic prior to plows clearing the area. Being the car is FWD it has a heavy inclination to understeer in these extremely low traction areas at low speed. I opted after a winter on the CC2 in the Pittsburgh area to buy steel wheels and Blizzaks. The CC2 is a capable winter performer but not a true winter tire. I prefer the capability of the snow tires but I would still consider the CC2 a solid year round tire. The additional cost of ~$800 was worth it to me for "DGAF about this snow" levels of performance the Blizzaks provide and the stacked wheels and tires take up minimal room next to my lawnmower. I've pretty picky about winter performance and tires in general, I think most who have not driven on dedicated winter tires would be impressed with the CC2. The added benefit of the winter tires is superior wet performance in winter as well, remember I'm picky.

CrossClimate2 is "relatively" expensive but mine are wearing well and I expect ~30,000 miles out of the set before they are below my acceptable standard. I tend to remove tires around 4/32 of tread. I would buy another set, although I would not do so blindly and would evaluate any new options that may have come up since I purchased these. I think it would be difficult to find a single tire solution which is radically improved from the CC2. Dedicated summer and winter is nice, but I don't need the grip on a daily driver vehicle.
Anonymous No.28667318 >>28668227
>>28667302

Forgot 1/2 and 2/2

I have daily driven cars with snow tires for winter for ~15 years, so the CC2 while "good" was not the unstoppable force in the winter as I prefer. Unless one is entirely content with your current setup and needed no improvement I would recommend the CC2 as a consideration when replacing your current tires. Dedicated winter and "regular" setups always cost more, but always offer superior peak performance. What do you want? The Mazda3 I like as a vehicle but it is transportation foremost. The CC2 is a solid tire for the ~9 months it's on the car and if I wasn't so picky it would be on the car 365 days a year. I really only -need- the snows maybe 14 days out of the year where the improvement is significant although the snow tires universally outperform the CC2 all winter, how often are you really using the capability? Actual summer tires for my application would be a waste, and I wanted to 1st try CC2 in the winter as my hand was forced to replace the junk tires installed on the car when I purchased it.

I think it is inherently difficult to buy a bad tire from the major brands if you're talking a flagship model like CC2. I believe Goodyear, Pirelli, and someone else is making an all season with 3PMS rating tire with similar tread design so the theory behind the tire is sound IMO. My only caveat is the Mazda 3 is an inherently noisy vehicle with poor sound deadening, so I have no input as the how quiet the tire may be.
Anonymous No.28667336
>>28653518
No fuck you over here in western europe we get mild summer that doesnt even last 3 proper months.
The winter is max minus10 but that is also only 2 months max
Often no snow at all. And when there is snow, its quickly cleared off the roads
I will keep my all seasons tyres
Anonymous No.28667341
>>28653558
And what is the brand you fucking idiot, your post is of zero help
Anonymous No.28667356
>>28653558
>>28653325
I hm .. I go really fast and make highway turns at 100kmh when the recommended speed is 70
Anonymous No.28667380
Bridgestone > Michelin
Anonymous No.28667381
>>28653325
speak for yourself faggot I am a race car driver.
not everyone's an inert discord troon like you.
how do you expect to pull bitches with that low self-esteem?
Anonymous No.28667424
>>28653518
So, just got a prime example of the reason to have A/S or A/T tires, even if you have winters as well, if you live in a place like I do.
It was in the high 60s/low 70s on Thursday, warm enough that I was too hot in a light jacket. It's now Sunday and the weather service just issued a "Winter Weather Warning" for my area, saying that there's going to be snow/rain mix tonight/tomorrow morning and very slippery roads. Nobody has their winters on yet, and it's not even legal to put studs on until next month. It's also going to be back into the mid-high 60s and sunny by the end of the week. There's no practical way to deal with shit like this if you only have dedicated summers and winters.
Anonymous No.28667440
>>28653325
Tiananmen Square 1989.
Anonymous No.28668227 >>28668356
>>28667318
CC2 has always lagged behind the field in wet grip, being 'merely' adequate in this respect. It's optimized to get someone's cruiser through a snowbank without getting stuck and last a long time the rest of the year, and it does that job very well.
Vector 4Seasons or AllSeasonContact2 are the way to go in cold slush. Comprable snow traction, with superior dynamics in other areas as well. Unfortunately those are only sold in Europe. There is the DWS06+ though, which is only sold in the Americas, which will beat the brakes off anything in this category in driving dynamics in the cold, wet, or dry, if you don't mind somewhat more often change intervals.
Anonymous No.28668230
>>28654055
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1CzPuDnnK0

Most people's first thoughts about performance anything will of course tend to be flagship 'ultra high performance' summers. But when the question is performance on rainy days, specifically, then that's where you might be surprised by what you can get from some touring tyres on the market, which tend to include optimization for wet grip amongst their balance of target characteristics.

Of course most good performance summers will offer great traction in the rain as well, but when placed in a larger context and comparing things across segments, you might say that many of them will also be making compromises on possible wet grip, relatively speaking, for the sake of getting higher dry traction.

Rainy days also tend to be colder days in many parts of the world, and in low ambient conditions the characteristic of a tyre compound can start changing dramatically, and you can see some surprising standouts from the usual order of things in how some change compared to others.

While there unfortunately exist few to no direct comparisons of multiple tyres across segments at once, there are cases of one tyre here being in a test where another tyre there was in another test which also had this other tyre which was in this test here, and so on, and you can guestimate with daisy chaining cross references like this.

All that being said, the Cinturato C3 might just be the true rain track king.
Anonymous No.28668348
>>28667036
Considering how much improvement you get for how little investment (and potential consequences of failure), there's literally no good reason not to buy whatever the best rubbers available are for any given use-case.
To live a good life, treat yourself well anon.
Anonymous No.28668356
>>28668227

Thank you for the information. I'm quite happy with the CC2 but will consider the DWS line when I replace them. I bought a continental extreme contact 02 for my Miata and am liking them so far. Being that I have dedicated snow tires the more performance oriented all seasons may be a good option I had previously not considered.