Thread 28656276

Do I really need to save up for a 6 cylinder BMW because I'll get tired of the 4 cylinder after a month? The 330i is already faster than a ton of its competitors with 6 cylinders.

>>28656276 (OP)
why not save up for a real car with a metal engine and manual trans? oh wait youre a faggot wrenchlet with soft hands and low-t nvm, carry on. plastic engines are actually good.

>>28656282
cant finance a real car, nu-males are poor as fuck and have to finance. what bank is gonna finance a fucking r32 or a FD kek

>>28656282
>>28656292
I'm surprised they have internet in whatever monkey favela you live in.

>>28656326
>plastic engines and automatics are actually good bro
Kys little buddy

>>28656276 (OP)
I'm driving a 330i with the B48. Bought it a year ago.

Before I bought the car, I also had to decide between the 330i and the 340i.
My uncle, who already owned the 330i (and still does), let me go for test drive. The car is surprisingly fast.
Until then, I had a E92 328i (RIP old buddy ;_;), but the new 330i felt way faster.
The interieur also felt high quality and my uncle never had any problems with it, despite the high mileage.

After that, I had to compare the prices of the 330i and 340i and in the end, I decided that paying 15k EUR (~17k USD) more for two more cylinders and more power isn't worth it, at least in my case.
One of the reason being that I live in the city and my surroundings are not wide, open and long roads like in the US and there are a lot of speed camera traps. I guess owning a 340i in the US makes more sense.
The other reason was that I found an online listing for a 330i, very well equipped (M package, M Performance with LSD and so on), with low mileage and for a cheap price.

Thank god mine is RWD, it slides nicely and I can do some drifts at night. AFAIK the US only gets XDrive, which is a shame.
Also, the engine has a VERY high torque output, but the turbo lag is kinda bad.
It can easily keep up with the hot hatches around here, like the Golf GTI and the i30 N (yuropoor version of Elantra N).

Feel free to ask me more about the 330i.

>>28656276 (OP)
>Do I really need
no, but you should
some brands are tied to specific stuff, youre already paying premium for the brand, if youre not getting what the brand is known for then youre just throwing money away to show off a badge to dumbasses that dont know anything about cars

if youre getting a bmw you get a rwd 6 cyl coupe or sedan

>>28656276 (OP)
Just get a maxima or something wtf are you doing lmao. You trying to escape inceldom by buying a BMW subscription?

>>28656329
>I called the engine plastic again!

>>28656342
>ITS NOT REGULAR PLASTIC OKA
kys you faggot wrenchlet, ricer, auto-only

>>28656336
The US still gets RWD. X Drive sells well because it gets snowy in a lot of places and Americans are terrified of cars that are fun to drive any other way than in a straight line, but I'd prefer a RWD if at all possible. I'm in the military and still shuffling around bases though, so I'm probably going to put off buying any of these until I know where I'm going to be living for the next several years. I'd consider X Drive if I get sent somewhere with shitty weather, it'd be my daily car.

How much are you typically able to work on yourself without specialized tools or needing an entire day? I'm joining the dark side after giving up motorcycles, I'm new to working on cars. I have experience with bikes and jets though.
>>28656337
Yeah, that's kind of my thought process. I'm definitely not just buying it for the badge, I like the feel of them. I've test driven both the B48 and the B58, it's hard to get a sense for how the differences would shake out on a daily basis though. There are some used M3s from the early 2000s in my area, but it doesn't really make sense for me to pick up a high-mileage, temperamental performance machine at this point in my life, as tempting as it is.

>>28656348
>>28656329
>>28656292
>>28656282
these posts read like they were written by a 16-years old bus rider

the 6 is more about smoothness and low end power than overall brute strength

>>28656276 (OP)
If you just want it as a lifestyle car then no
If you wanna go fast then yes

>>28656336
The 330i I got as a loaner felt slower, more sluggish, and numb then my 128i. It drives like shit despite the horsepower numbers on paper.

>get 330i
>tune it
>you now have a fun car AND you saved money compared to a buying a bonedry stock 340i
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rXSX8MfNG0

>>28656369
>it's hard to get a sense for how the differences would shake out on a daily basis though
Ask youself this:
How do you usually drive? Like a psycho? Accelerating and going 100% full throttle all the time? Are there long stretches of empty highways in your area? Do you feel threatened by other people's cars?
Then get the 340i, otherwise get the 330i.

Also, you're asking /o/, a board for car enthusiasts, if you should get the stronger and larger engine.
The answer is obvious.
Try to do some research on your own, maybe even rent each car for a day and drive like you usually would.

>>28656388
ok but you could also tune the 340i

>>28656394
If you have the money, sure.
But I doubt OP has the cash to do that.
Going for a tuned 330i seems more realistic.

This entire conversation is pointless.
You're not trying to decide between two entirely different cars.
They are the same brand, the same series, the same model. The only difference is the engine, and hence a question of "Can I actually afford this?".
If you can, get the 340i, end of discussion.

>>28656412
Alright fine
Should I get the Ecoboom or GT S550 Mustang?

>>28656418
neither, get the V6 challenger

>>28656424
I want a car, not a boat

>>28656418
Get S650 Egoboost mayng

Shih faaaaasss bruh, fasser than 330i

Look stylin wit dem wide hips

>>28656373
It really is a smooth engine and pretty quick stock. They make insane numbers with a reflash

>>28656394
340i is an extra $10k basically for an amount of power you'd only use getting onto the highway? That's how I looked at it when deciding between the two. Didn't seem worth it to me, the 330 is plenty quick for any scenario I've been in.

>>28656381
Heavy wheels.

>>28656523
bold of you to assume i'd be going the speed limit

>>28656412
Good point. I'll just wait and get the M340i in a couple of years and cry in my Camry in the meantime.

>>28656276 (OP)
best bmw owner parking

>>28656606
>wait a couple of years to buy a M340i
>it now costs roughly 30% more due to inflation

>>28656276 (OP)
>buying a modern BMW
you're cooked
enjoy your plastic engine lmao

The 6 cylinder cars are better made. They dont state this but it is clear that the fit and finish is better on the sixes. The 330i is great but they are not as well made as the M340i. All that said, none of them are as well put together as the E90 series were when they were new. It’s all about what you want. If you really care about performance get the M340i, but then you’d be thinking “I could have spent a bit more and had an M3”. Or if you got the M3 you’d think “I drive this fast and hard once every few months so I should have just got a 330i”

If I were you, look at a lightly used 540i. It’s the best car BMW have made in over a decade

>>28657236
>The 6 cylinder cars are better made.
they're the same, the B48 just lacks two cylinders.
that's the only difference.
make of that what you will

>>28656292
>be me
>save up $13,000
>buy FD
simple as
>>28656276 (OP)
Anon, all 2-series and newer BMWs suffer from a fatal flaw: the steering is awful
Also, they're mostly all automatics now. And on the manuals they did have previously, they added a clutch delay valve for zoomers. The seating position is also tilted weirdly for safety & due to the huge transmission tunnel.
I recommend just buying a 228i manual if you're dead-set on a BMW. Or maybe a 135i (6 cyl, manual transmission, hydraulic steering)

>>28656412
I drove a 230i before settling on an m235i for the extra 6-cylinder power. I regret not getting a 228i/230i in manual. At least the m235i appreciated well, but the driving experience was more like a Mustang/muscle car and not at all like a sports car. Either way, the steering still would've killed it for me with a 2-series, so a 1-series would've been best.

>>28656276 (OP)
>330i is already faster than a ton of its competitors with 6 cylinders.
Like what lol
No, a charger sxt is not a 330 competitor

>>28657386
A 330i is literally pointless unless you get a manual (oops, they don't make manuals anymore).

Literally just get a mustang gt with performance pack. It's faster than a 992.2 c2 and 1/4 the price.

>>28657386
>>28657393
Gapped by a gook car

>>28657399
WRONG

>OP wants a nice BMW sedan, even stated that he likes the looks and the feeling when he drives the car
>poorsche tranny jumps in and yells at them that their car gets gapped by a gook hot hatch and an actual sports car
why are they like this

>>28657462
Imagine getting raped by a gook sedan. The Elantra N isn't a hot hatch, but I wouldn't expect a casual newfag to know SHIT about cars.

Good to know you're monitoring this thread non-stop, I guess BMW drivers really do live rent free inside your head.

>>28657469
t. rape victim of a HYUNDAI

>>28656369
>How much are you typically able to work on yourself without specialized tools or needing an entire day
The oil filter housing is easily accessible.
Longitudinally mounted engines in general are easier to work on, since you have more space on the sides, plus the hood of the 3 series is quite long.
What do you plan on doing on your own? Heavy maintenance stuff like extracting the engine from the bay? Or just simple stuff like changing oil, transmission fluid, air filter and other basic stuff?

>>28657462
>likes the looks and the feeling
BMW literally have no feel. They intentionally removed all steering feel and to top it off, told actual car people to fuck off when they complained about the shitty steering, because the bulk of their consumer base keeps responding to surveys with "I want less steering feel" (this is true).

>>28657692
>source: my ass

>>28657727
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15346236/steer-me-feel-me-exploring-why-bmws-no-longer-excel-in-steering-feel/
Attempting to shift the focus from steering effort to the feedback routed from the pavement to the driver’s hands, I asked if any EPS strides had been made in that specific area. Kistler responded: “We surveyed both current BMW 5-series customers and owners of competitive models, asking, ‘What are your wishes?’ We have two million customers around the globe who’ve purchased the 5-series during the past five years, which results in a broad spread of demands. Our job is to fulfill those mainstream needs.
>“There was a clear request for less steering effort. No one wants bad feedback—such as a steering wheel that vibrates in response to bumps in the road.”
You're an idiot and a faggot, now kys.

>>28657748
Also, what I find hilarious about this interview is that the autistic German clearly can't differentiate between customer demands (less steering effort) and his pre-conceived notions of what is good (less road feedback), gets it wrong, then doubles down on being wrong.

>>28657748
This is another reason why every young man ought to be out there Luigi'ing.

The world will only become more enshittified.
There is no hope.
Everything will only get worse, unless we reset the world.

GO GO GO

>>28656424
>EcoBoost Mustang
60 mph: 4.5 sec
100 mph: 12.2 sec
1/4-Mile: 13.2 sec @ 103 mph
>V6 challenged
Zero to 60 mph: 6.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 15.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.8 sec
What sort of retardation causes people to recommend such slow and gay cars?

*drives fast from one stop light to the next*


Nobody cares how fast your car is.

get the lexus is500 for the same money and most people wont even know its a v8

>>28657748
>>28657753
This is especially hilarious because Alfa Romeo and JLR have had this down for nearly a decade. Rover steering precision and feedback is excellent, Jaguar shares the design, and Alfa Romeo somehow managed to do even better. Meanwhile BMW engineers just add more power assistance and softer rubber bushings to get the dynamic equivalent of a slinky

>>28657787
>superior true ZF8 instead of weak and buggy "zf8 derived" 10r80
>normally aspirated
>runs on e85
>timing chain
>MAP/IAT speed density
>parts for centuries

imagine the insane mental gymnastic you have to do to suggest buying a 4 cyl turbo ford with a wet timing belt over a mopar v6 that will still be running after the heat death of the universe

>but muh 0.9 sec quarter mile you don't understand i literally NEED this car to win the summernats even though it's a v6/i4 that gets 30 mpg and comes with an open diff my ENTIRE life is HOOD DRAG because i am a certified NIGGER so i need THE MOST POWERFULEST CAR to PROOVE how NOT GAY i am to the HOOD
lmao hypercope

>>28657787
>car made a whole 15 years later is less than a second faster

and throw in valvoline 5w30 restore and protect to keep it clean, dont listen to toyota

nevermind it takes 5w30 instead of 0w20

>>28657829
And with EPS, it's literally just a software tune away from being what they want. Just change the suspension tune when the user goes from "Normal" to "Sport". How hard can that be?
The only reason BMW doesn't do this, despite having 30 other driving modes, is because:
>"NO, I KNOW BETTER THAN THE CUSTOMER!!"
Hence major drops in profit in the past 2 years.

>>28657819
>>28657832
>>28657836
>slow nigger cope
Ok.

>>28657832
Mustangs do not have wet timing belts
All Mustangs even Egoboosts come with LSD

>>28657832
>but muh 0.9 sec quarter mile
1.6s in the quarter mile is a huge difference Anon. The 3.5s difference to 100mph is even more telling how slow the Challenger is in comparison.

>>28657866
true looks like 2.3 is a chain glad they learned

>>28657859
>blue oval seething it took them 15 years and two bailouts to beat a 20 year old minivan engine with a 22 psi turbo bomb
the Pentastar has superior drivability and fuel economy, it lasts longer and sounds nicer. the Challenger is a larger, 300 lb heavier, and more practical platform with actual rear seats, a real trunk, double wishbone suspension and perfect weight distro while the ecoboost mustang has a 25:1 steering ratio, mcdonalds struts and suspension bushings infamously made of cheese, back seats for insurance purposes, and one of the worst interiors ever made

>quicker to the turn you will die in because ford still can't make a car that actually turns
>you are dying in a 4 cyl mustang while chally drives around your burning corpse

and when they bury you your headstone will read "ford owner"

Whole lotta brown dog sons that are poor itt

>>28657917
says the jeet in the 4 banger ford

>>28657932
not your boogeyman little tranner

>>28657592
Just the basics, I don't have the time to learn a trade through YouTube videos.
>>28657819
I'm not buying a car to impress people.
>>28657824
It's hard as fuck to find and generally sells for more because of it. Though it does look amazing and I like the idea of Toyota reliability. Is the IS 350 F Sport as slow as everyone says? I test drove a 4 cylinder IS 300 several months back and it made me want to kill myself. The salesman was a jerkoff too, it made me not want to buy a Lexus.

All of this shit is making me want to renege on my decision to give up motorcycles. The car world absolutely fucking sucks these days.

>>28657934
but you are a seething brown manlet

>>28658036
>All of this shit is making me want to renege on my decision to give up motorcycles. The car world absolutely fucking sucks these days.
honest question:
why do you want to give up on bikes in the first place? or why do you want a car?
why can't you maintain both a bike AND a car?

>>28658148
I love motorcycles, but they're not worth the risk anymore. I got in another crash recently, and even though it was relatively minor, I'm still injured. I'm a student pilot, my physical ready-to-go status is directly tied to my livelihood. It's just not worth it like it used to be.
And maintaining a bike and a car really wasn't that hard, especially because I just had a Camry. Financially it wasn't really a strain either because motorcycles are cheap. But I'm quickly learning just how cucked the car industry has become thanks to emissions and safety standards and the fact that they need to be designed for the masses who just want to get to work. Motorcycles are a niche product for enthusiasts that are still in the Wild West as far as regulations go, so no wonder you can get an actually aesthetic machine that goes from 0-60 in 3 seconds for $5,000.

>>28656276 (OP)
I saw a zoomer pull up to Publix in one of these. The car looked nice enough, but the driver was a completely disheveled piece of shit; dingy, worn out t-shirt, nylon shorts, unkempt hair and patchy beard.

It really made me lose a lot of respect for BMW. If it's attainable for lower life forms it's no longer a premium or special brand.

>>28658669
This is what keeps me away from muscle cars. On paper I should love them, but the tryhard styling and the fact that they're almost exclusively driven mouth breathing wagies makes me never want to be seen in one, let alone drive one.

>>28658941
The 3-series is right up your alley then. They at least still handle like a sports car.
With the M package, they come with an LSD and the 330i is quite nimble (50:50 weight ratio, less weight due to the smaller engine).
The M340i is 55:45 (i think, thank you XDrive), but really packs a punch.

I suggest you watch savagegeese video on both cars. Maybe their in-depth review will help you out, especially the video parts on the mechanical setup of each car.

Considering the fact that it's you who is buying the car, i'd invest some time if I were you.

330i:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkK-_dnkjgU

M340i:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr-h9T42NAI

>>28657451
You're actually retarded if you think these are accurate lmao. I know for a fact the gt will do at least 170mph and no base model 911 is going 190 with only 380hp. Wake up, mate.

>>28658976
Savage Geese is one of the few automotive YT channels that I will watch. I really like their videos.

>>28659004
The GT in question must be speed limited because it doesn't have your paypiggy cuckpack addon, go to fastestlaps and find it yourself (it's not there) if you care so much. You're also fucked in the head if you think all you need is higher horsepower to get a higher top speed.

>>28658941
This is exactly why I ONLY buy muscle cars. To intentionally appear low class and retarded to fit in with society.

>>28656276 (OP)
>Saving up
You've already lost

>>28659294
based retard

>>28658036
>I'm not buying a car to impress people.
I'll be very honest to you, this might be the wrong board to ask what to buy then.
For the past couple of years, /o/ was flooded with youngsters who just want to impress others instead of buying something they enjoy and like the feel of it.

You seem way more determined than any bus rider shitposting in this very thread.
No real person would ever judge you for getting the 330i over the 340i, except retards who think that you need a 6-cylinder or otherwise you're a cúck.
What really matters is what YOU like, not THEM.

>>28658036
I have a turbo 4 cylinder and compared to my tt boxer 6 it's way slower. Coming from a motorcycle you'll probably hate the 4 if you buy one.

>>28661489
any car feels slower compared to a motorcycle.
there's no winning unless OP buys a tuned out 911 or Corvette

>>28659004
Not a "base model", but I already reached 305 kph with my decade-old 997 c2S (385 bhp). So I think YOU are wrong.

>>28661524
I don't think he understands just how slippery Carreras are.

>>28659004
lmao

>>28661524
The Carrera S is the base model poor son

>>28661524
No, you haven't. I doubt you've been over 270kph. Stop lying on the internet. This fucking board is so bad.

>>28661588
I did but whatever. Just use fucking Google, there are literally tons of vids...

>>28661599
Watching videos online is where you get all of your "personal" anecdotes I'm sure.

>>28661599
I don't need to watch the internet to know you aren't doing 190mph in a 350whp street car. It's really is that simple.

Ackshually the 997.2 c2s top speed is 187mph.

>>28661473
Where else should I ask this sort of question? Reddit is Reddit, and ChatGPT only acts like it knows what it's talking about.

It's not really about what people would think, it's more so just about the character of the car. I feel like the question has already been answered in this thread, you should absolutely go for the 6 cylinder if you can swing it. I just don't know what the overall cost of ownership is going to be like, but that's any sports car I guess. This is a new realm to me. It's not that I can't afford it, I could buy one outright if I wanted to right now, but 1. I don't want to make a major financial decision without weighing just how worth it it is to get the premium version of an already luxury car, and 2. I'm still in training, I could get sent overseas and lose a ton of money from having to sell it. That happened a few years ago when I got sent to Japan and I just had a Honda Accord.
>>28661489
>>28661514
I can accept that a car won't accelerate as quickly, the safety and convenience is a worthwhile tradeoff. Even something like a Miata is going to be miles safer and have a ton more storage space than a motorcycle. What I can't stand is having no torque, which was sadly how the IS 350 felt when I test drove it the other day. The 500 would certainly have more, but at that point, why not just get the M340i, shit, even an M3?

>>28661609
>>28661611
Stupid, faggot benchracing retard.

>>28656276 (OP)
You should have up for a 6cylinder BMW because the 4 cylinder is genuinely a bad car that is unreliable. You are in one of the greatest eras of i6BMW engines and your retarded enough to even consider to 4 cylinder?

>>28661712
Says the keyboard ricer claiming to go 190mph with 350whp (barely more than a G37)

>>28661719
>source: your feelings

>>28661737
That's the sport dumbass. It has over 100 more hp. You really don't understand physics do you jeet?

>>28661709
>I could get sent overseas and lose a ton of money from having to sell it.
If that is a real concern, then you should buy a shitbox instead of blowing your hard earned cash on a fancy new BMW.
Economically, it makes more sense to buy a 20-30 year old car that is easy to work on and maintain.

I don't know where you're stationed at, but here in Europe you'd go for something like a ZC31S or clapped out E36.
In the US it's probably the Dodge Neon.

>>28661719
>"man" sees official horsepower figure
>downrates it to whatever shem wants in xir's mind to wheel horsepower

>>28661786
I have a Camry right now, I'm probably going to keep it until I have a permanent duty station. In the Florida panhandle, there are several old M3s that can be had for great prices, I just don't know how feasible something like that will be to daily. Like I said, I used to be an aircraft mechanic, but working on cars is new to me. Changing the oil and individual parts is child's play, but I don't know how complex jobs get with old sports cars or even regular cars with a lot of miles, for that matter.

The thing that gets me is I was only able to live with such a boring car because I rode my bike whenever I could. Now that's gone, and I'm kind of going insane and want a new machine to connect with.

>>28661829
>Now that's gone, and I'm kind of going insane and want a new machine to connect with.
>In the Florida panhandle, there are several old M3s that can be had for great prices

There's your answer.
Old M3s are really fun to drive, they are (as stated by you) cheap and can actually easily be worked on.
Just prepare to work on it A LOT.
If you enjoy working on machines, you can't do anything wrong with the M3.
Besides, even if you bought it and you were told to move, you could easily sell it again. That way, you wouldn't have to sell an arm and a leg to incorporate the losses compared to a modern BMW.

>>28656336
i have 2017 330i. how do i deal with the fact that everybody hates my car except me.

>>28661923
Who is "everybody"?
Your own parents? Girlfriend? Boyfriend? Friends? Co-workers?
That one random neighbour you see once a month?

And why? Too slow? Too ugly? Too much of a danger to drive in?

>>28661803
I was conservative with my estimate. bhp is irrelevant. If you've ever drive a car with more than 400hp (I doubt you have) then you'll understand how important it is for top speed, regardless of how "slippery" you think the 911 is. Back to the video games, friendo where you can do 190mph in your 300hp shitbox.

>>28661935
everybody on /o/ and probably irl

>>28661942
No one should care about what /o/ thinks. This includes you.
There will always be someone nitpicking about your car and trash talk it, regardless of what brand or model it is.

Idk about the people you know irl. Have you tried talking to them? Did they drop any comments about your car?
There must have been a reason why you picked it. What was it? Do you actually regret your decision?

>>28661937
No one said horsepower isn't relevant to top speed, we're just making fun of you for inventing some arbitrary cutoff not backed up by any facts, just feels. Feel free to post your car that can go faster than 189MPH.

>>28656282
Based
>>28656292
It's called making money and if you're poor you can literally get a personal loan, lie about what you're doing with the money, and buy it. Fucking retard.
>>28656326
Coping and seething


OP, BMW hasn't made a decent inline four since the 2002. Even that wasn't great. Why would you get a four cylinder from a company whose only claim to fame in automobile circles, is a powerful inline 6?
Otherwise buy a jap shitbox and have something reliable and fun if you want a shitty four cylinder lol

>>28661959
It’s the milf spec 911

>>28662100
You're poor though

>>28657366
>they added a clutch delay valve for zoomers
The clutch delay valve is to prevent shock load to the driveline when shifting at higher rpms. Down sides are faster clutch wear since it causes the clutch to slip between shifts and makes it harder to shift smooth overall. I pulled mine out and chucked it inna woods.

>>28661937
nta but a simple google search will show you how retarded you are.
>997.2 s top speed of 188mph
it's that shrimple.

>>28656276 (OP)
go for the one which you can afford. if you can delay a car then save for the 40i but only if it won't make a dent in your wallet.
usually those who 40>30 are dumbass zoomers who race in the city to measure dicks. but theyre dumb niggers since a built n54 will be much cheaper hp/$ for ego racing.
B58 is great but now it has the stereotype of boy racers sadly.

>>28656276 (OP)
Grab a G30 540, it weighs the same as an M340 and has a nicer interior. With a remap, you can push 500whp on the stock turbo.

>>28661937
>bhp is irrelevant

>>28661773
>Chart says 997 Carrera
>That's the sport dumbass
lmao

>>28661666
does anyone here even own a 997.2 C2S or is it all larp?

>>28664869
The guy that always posts the white one. I have a 992

>>28665097
Mine is a 991.1. Someone on /o/ has a black cabriolet manual 997

>>28657832
>normally aspirated
>speed density
Who needs time travel when you can visit the stone ages by taking a trip to the Dodge dealership