Thread 28659625

it's so weird that a car from Kentucky outperforms all euroshit/japshit cars, even the $10 million dollar ones

The piss to keeg ratio for that chinkslop is embarassing i thought it was the fastest car evef made

>>28659625 (OP)
Not really. When you don't waste money on racing you can put that money towards R&D on relevant vehicles.

Have you actually driven around Kentucky? Their roads are fun, and without European uptightness about speed limits it makes perfect sense to have a capable sports car cheap enough for anyone to aspire to

>>28659632
racing is supposed to be an arm of r&d department.
guess euroslows/japsharts missed that memo

>>28659643
They’re in horrible shape compared to Europeans roads though

>>28659643
no but if you buy my plane ticket and pay for my air b&b i guess i can check it out
when works for you?

why isn't the AMG one considered street legal?

>>28659653
driver mod at the very least. probably something more knowing how cope-y euros get over their precious wittle ring times

>>28659653
it's just not

>>28659625 (OP)
>ZTK Package
Oh so it’s modified just like the AMG GT Black series

>>28659956
And the GT2 RS with the Manthey package

>>28659653
Americans have no freedom.

>>28660319
Manthey is an aftermarket modification company, so it doesn't count.

ZTK is a trim level produce by daddyrolet so it counts.

now go wash ur pussy it's stinking up my thread

>>28660904
>ZTK is a trim level produce by daddyrolet so it counts
Oh so the AMG GT Black Series count too which beats it. Lemme guess, you’re gonna move the goal post and talk about some arbitrary shit to discount it

>>28661632
Driver mod at the very least.
The ZR1x was driven by an amateur driver whereas the AMG GT was driven by a paid professional race driver.

Race professional have analyzed footage of the ZR1x time they've concluded it can easily achieve a time 6:39 in the hands of a professional, which is 10 seconds quicker than the GT. Therefore you lost.

I'd like to hear your excuses on that, although i doubt you'll come up with a valid counterargument because you are clearly not very bright.

>>28660904
It's an option offered at the dealer lol

>>28662129
Do you own one of these Vettes? You seem absolutely obsessed with defending it, and I'm trying to figure out why the fuck you care

>>28659625 (OP)
>yangwang
That can't be a real name. Might as well call it peepeecoke.

The absolute pinnacle of Canadian engineering can almost catch it for over $100k more

>>28659625 (OP)
estre my boy

>>28662129
>Race professional have analyzed footage of the ZR1x time they've concluded it can easily achieve a time 6:39 in the hands of a professional, which is 10 seconds quicker than the GT. Therefore you lost.
>would’ve, could’ve, should’ve
It hasn’t happened yet and what if’s doesn’t make that a reality. Drew Cattell might have not been Maro Engel as a driver, but being one of the guys who built the car, he knows a bit more than some internet randos on the limits of the car. Not gonna deny that a professional nurburgring race car driver couldn’t improve the time, just that people shouldn’t downplay Cattell so much. Regardless, it’s not CURRENTLY faster than the AMG GT Black series on the burger king

>>28663051
>Not gonna deny that a professional nurburgring race car driver couldn’t improve the time
I meant that I accept that a professional race car driver like Maro Engel could improve the time

>>28659653
It's road legal in the first world

>>28659625 (OP)
holy copium

>>28662446
>WhY Do YoU cArE???
Gender is not a spectrum and it never will be

>>28662440
Manthey is a car modification company.
That's like saying a Pratt and Miller C8 is an unmodified production c8.

>>28663051
The ZR1x, driven just a few practice laps by an amateur driver has bested Porsche.
Porsche has over ten thousands laps by paid F1 drivers and still lost to the Corvette.

Racing professional who've analyzed the footage say the ZR1x is capable of at least a 10 second reduction in lap time, making it 9 seconds faster than AMG bbc.series.

>>28664034
>Racing professional who've analyzed the footage say the ZR1x is capable of at least a 10 second reduction in lap time, making it 9 seconds faster
Sauce

>>28664034
>Manthey is a car modification company
https://dealer.porsche.com/ca/langley/en-CA/Manthey-Performance-Kit

>The Mercedes-AMG ONE is street-legal in the regions where it was designed and certified for sale, but it was specifically banned from the United States due to American emissions and safety regulations.
kek do mutts really?

>>28664170
He’s referring to misha the faggot. He said that in his analysis

>official performance option by Porsche
:-|
>official performance option by Chevy
:-D

>The Porsche Manthey Performance Kit is an optional upgrade for models like the 911 GT3 RS, emphasizing aerodynamic enhancements, adjustable suspension, and braking improvements to boost track handling and lap times without sacrificing road usability. In contrast, the Corvette ZTK Performance Package for the C8 ZR1 focuses on aggressive aerodynamics, specialized tires, and tuned suspension to maximize the car’s immense power output for superior straight-line acceleration and high-speed stability on the track.
in conclusion
ZTK = giga rice = disqualified

>>28664209
Lmao

>>28664034
>The ZR1x, driven just a few practice laps by an amateur driver
https://news.gm.com/home.detail.html/Pages/news/us/en/2025/jul/0731-Corvette-ZR1X-ZR1.html#:~:text=Link%20(800%20laps)%2C%20Wallace,develop%20and%20test%20GM%20vehicles.
He’s lapped the Nurburgring 600 times, that’s not a few. He’s not some random engineer who’s never done time trials. You’re downplaying him way too much. Sure, a race car driver who’s done the nurburgring countless times could squeeze more, but you can’t take one person’s opinion as gospel when they haven’t even driven the car themselves to evaluate that. The driving characteristics are going to be different from a 911 or AMG GT to a Corvette.
Do you believe Nascar driver Kevin Harvick when he says Kyle Larson could closely match Verstappen in F1 in a few days even though he never driven in a f1 car? He’s a racing professional too

How exactly is the black series „modified“ but the ZTK vette is not?

>>28664558
Wow, a whopping 600 laps spread across completely different other vehicles over 31 Nurburgring visit spread across three of them. How many thousands of laps has Porsche done in the 991 combing their 24 hour Nurburgring races which they use data from and their own testing?


You’re also making a false equivalency with the nascar driver. Misha watches the entire video and tells you exactly where and why there was a time loss. He’s also driven a c8 z06, which is just a zr1 with less power. You’re wrong and down playing the deficit in both driver skill and especially total test laps. It’s telling when journalists can come within 3-5 seconds of GM’s record time in the C7 and C8 Zo6 but can’t even come within 10 seconds of any 991 record set by Porsche.

>>28659625 (OP)
AMG One is street legal everywhere in the world except for 3rd world countries like the US.

>>28667149
Unfortunately for you and Mercedes the US is the only country that actually matters.

>>28668041
The fluoride mind actually believes this

>>28666898
>He’s also driven a c8 z06, which is just a zr1 with less power.
Those cars will drive differently because not only is their hp numbers different with a different redline, it’s a turbo vs NA let alone a hybrid with a ZR1X. Misha could probably produce a better time but until he does, it doesn’t mean jack shit and is all talk
>Wow, a whopping 600 laps spread across completely different other vehicles over 31 Nurburgring visit spread across three of them
It’s 600 laps for Cattell, 800 for Link, and 425 for Wallace. You didn’t read GM’s own article on it?
Again, I already admitted that a professional race car driver could set a better record, but until that happens, this is all you have.

>>28668079
if fluoride is so bad how come europe hasn't mastered outer space or nurburgring, like america has?

>>28668137
>I already admitted that a professional race car driver could set a better record

good girl, we are so very proud of you for finally admitting that the corvette is faster than euroshit.

I bet you feel so much better now that you don't have to pretend anymore

German engineering is just too good ameribrowns can't compete

>>28668357
iirc yuros just put the fluoride in their salt instead of the water. the issue of water fluoridation was over consent apparently

>>28668137
>these cars that I’ve never driven will drive differently in some unspecified way because muh turbo, muh hybrid, muh rpm
>Misha? That’s just like, his opinion man. He doesn’t know how different the C8 trims are, unlike me!
You’re funny. And grasping for straws. Never mind the fact that all those things affect acceleration and top speed, not driving lines, approach angle, and grip on the high speed sweepers where the hybrid system isn’t even activated. Those were all of the things Misha was criticizing. The ZR1 doesn’t even experience any turbo lag. so Turbo vs NA/a few hundred RPM differences is even more negligible. He’s driven the C8 and knows where time was lost. That’s all that actually matters.
>you didn’t read GM’s own article in it.
You didn’t read my post or just have poor reading comprehension? Those laps aren’t on the c8. It’s all the laps they’ve done over the course of their entire career, with 31 total visits to the ring between them, vs potentially thousands between Porsche testing and racing for over a decade straight at the ring with the 991 alone. and drivers who live there. What are you even trying to compare?

i’ve never seen a 911 go above the speed limit. nor a corvette. what does it matter when these cars are all owned by geriatrics with malfunctioning penises?

>>28659631
No one ever said it was the fastest car ever made.
Also it's super overhyped. The software apparently is utter shit to the point where it's not really something reliable outside a quick car review, which really isn't surprising. Even Lucid's software is ass and they're supposed to be the "good" EV manufacturer.

>>28659625 (OP)
It needs over 1200hp to do that?

>>28668805
No. It's only making 1200hp once you're in the higher gears at pretty extreme speeds. It was likely only making ~700hp for the lower speed sections of the Ring. The 1200hp is for hitting its 230+mph top speed.

OP making shit up

>>28668547
>grip on the high speed sweepers where the hybrid system isn’t even activated.
Why wouldn’t it, any wheel slippage in grip activates it.
> He’s driven the C8 and knows where time was lost. That’s all that actually matters.
Zr1x is also heavier by like 300-400lbs btw
Does me driving a rental C8 make me more knowledgable on a ZR1X than a guy who’s actually driven one?
> You didn’t read my post or just have poor reading comprehension? Those laps aren’t on the c8. It’s all the laps they’ve done over the course of their entire career
When did I say it was 600 laps of the Corvette? My point was that he himself has experience driving on the nurburgring outside of a sim environement.
End of the day, Corvette hasn’t beaten AMG GT black series

>>28670687
>why wouldn’t it
Because they only add traction at corner exit. The car is basically RWD at high speeds with the e-motor acting as torque fill in between shifts from there.
>any wheel slippage in grip activates it
At low speed acceleration, doesn’t affect high speed cornering. There’s like 1 second difference between the zr1 and zr1x in a 10+ mile track.
>300~400 lbs
does not change driving line or approach angle. If anything, the weight is just adding stability at high speeds. Just more grasping at straws.
>bro this Misha guy doesn’t know anything. He doesn’t understand how different the trims are like I do from my Jack shit of experience
You’re one funny self contradicting retard. The test drivers don’t even disagree with anything Misha says. Just you.
>he himself has experience
Which amounts to nothing compared to the racing drivers. Good by test driver standards, but that doesn’t mean anything here.

At the end of the day. The amg black series just has a faster driver, it’s not a faster car.

>>28668813
Cope. It's just a straight-line tank that minmaxes the gaps between the corners.

>>28670796
>The test drivers don’t even disagree with anything Misha says. Just you.
Source? I never disagree or said Misha was necessarily wrong about making a faster time. I just think you’re dick riding a car you’ll never have and taking a word for a record that doesn’t exist
>At the end of the day. The amg black series just has a faster driver, it’s not a faster car
This mythical faster time is an “if and when” but never is recorded

>>28670835
>source
Common sense? Everything you said came from you not the test drivers. You are arguing against Misha, not them.
>this mythical faster time
The performance isn’t mythical, unless of course you believe a cobalt is faster around the ring than a R34 GTR.

>>28670849
>Common sense? Everything you said came from you not the test drivers. You are arguing against Misha, not them.
Abscence of response is not agreement, and I don’t even think they care that much about Misha’s analysis and even if they wanted to comment, what would they say that isn’t corporate safe response. My original point is that Misha’s analysis is just a hypothesis and not an actual track time for the car. It doesn’t matter if he’s correct that it could be faster, it hasn’t happened and you shouldn’t take it as gospel that it already beat it. “What if’s” never made records
>The performance isn’t mythical, unless of course you believe a cobalt is faster around the ring than a R34 GTR.
In the context of that R34 GTR, yes it was beaten because its top speed was limited by factory. Of course we don’t have to imagine a non stock speed limited R34 GTR would do, we have Best Motoring videos and even Kazuo Shimizu drive better times

>>28670980
>Absence of response is not agreement.
Your shit reading comprehension is showing again. Absence of response means the only one disagreeing is you. The test drivers don’t disagree, you do. You’re arguing on their behalf with no experience yourself.
>the gtr was beaten because it’s top speed was limited from the factory
And the corvette was beaten by a better driver not a better car. Do you get it now?
>we have best motoring
What better best motoring times were done in stock gtr? The only better ones were all high performance tunes and they’re still over 8 minutes. You understand what I’m saying but choose to be obtuse while making the same argument using hypothesis for a car you’re biased towards.

>>28671102
>in stock gtr
In stock R34s I mean.

>>28659625 (OP)
>a car from Kentucky outperforms all euroshit/japshit cars
don't get too excited.
poor-shiet will make another special edition of their gorillionth special edition 911 and they will beat your mutt-vette with only an additional €200k optional package by 200 ms.

>>28671102
>Your shit reading comprehension is showing again.
>The test drivers don’t even disagree with anything Misha says. Just you.
The insinuation is that the drivers agree with Misha otherwise this is a moot point to bring up that they don't disagree because they simply never commented against. You're trying to pit me against Misha when my point is that Misha's guess that 10 secs could be saved is not reality or a record for the car yet. If Misha drove the car and got that time, that is a different story. Otherwise, we are arguing "if's" and "when's" and not "is". You're taking his word as if the record is already broken
>The only better ones were all high performance tunes and they’re still over 8 minutes.
Does being over 8 minutes matter if it's faster than a Cobalt SS which is what I assume yo brought to compare and not a base Cobalt?
Even then, we still have Nissan driver Kazuo Shimizu time of 7:52 during his tests with the Nur package which is stock if the ZTK package is considered stock.
>And the corvette was beaten by a better driver not a better car. Do you get it now?
They're both probably good cars of similar spec on track performance. It just hasn't physically beat the AMG yet in one single track we're hyper focusing on. Cobalt SS can beat a purely stock base R34 GTR if it means top speed is limited because that's how it came from factory. I'm not making any excuses, it's actually faster than it around ring unless you get the Nur package or tune it to get the top speed out

>>28671166
I feel like if they could have, they would have?
Plus, the ZR1x left 10-30 seconds on the table so it's just a matter of a retest via pro driver who's familiar with the track.

I really do think it's time that everyone just accepts that America is casually effortlessly superior to europeans at not just everything else, but now this too.

Nobody can disagree with this. At least, not without coming off as an illogical furious frothing rage type who abandons common sense due to the burning sting of defeat, like this guy >>28671183


It's just cars ppl, chillax !

>28671389
>lol it's u who's mad not me
I accept your concession friend. It's silly to get worked up about a record that doesn't exist yet and trying to prove it exists. I love driving cars of all shapes and sizes :)

crazy how the corvette just won yet another thread so easily
shocking, even

>>28659648
Makes for wonderfully compliant suspension

>>28671183
>the insinuation is that
This is why you have shit reading comprehension. Stop responding to what you think I’m saying and respond to what I’m actually saying. The test drivers aren’t arguing against Misha, so comparing his experience with the cars to theirs is irrelevant.
>you’re trying to put me against Misha
You pitted yourself against him by trying to argue his lack of experience with the cars despite not even knowing how different they are yourself.
>were arguing if’s
No, we’re arguing that one car got a better time due to better drivers, not because it’s actually faster. Just like you stated with the cobalt vs R34.
>does it matter
It does if they aren’t even stock. No stock R34 has ever recorded a faster time with or without limiter. Only the tuned ones.
>we still have 7:52
No we don’t. 7:52 is just a rumored time. No interview, no gps data, no eye witnesses, no recording.
>it just hasn’t beat the amg yet
The a stock R34 even without limiter hasn’t physically beaten the cobalt, either.

this image makes mutts shit themselves

>>28671643
modified cars don't count, newfag

>>28671643
>A $200k sports car that people can realistically attain vs a bunch of multi million dollar hypercars you will never see or touch
Why are you euros always like this?

>>28659682
the nurburgring isn't in the US so why does that matter

>>28671695
poorfag cope

>>28671581
>The a stock R34 even without limiter hasn’t physically beaten the cobalt, either.
If you wanna be technical, Nissan never posted an official time for the R34 GTR. The website, fastest lap, links to some page that doesn’t exist anymore. So, I guess you’re right that the stock R34 GTR is slower than the Cobalt SS around the ring :)
I have no horse in Cobalt SS vs R34 GTR, you brought this topic to get a gotcha out of me and trying to act like I care outside of seeing what a raging Corvette-less owner would say
>7:52 is just a rumored time. No interview, no gps data, no eye witnesses, no recording
Supposedly, it came from interviews with Nissan Engineers in Japanese magazines during 2002 but preservation of such material is rare so consider it hearsay from journalists
>You pitted yourself against him by trying to argue his lack of experience with the cars despite not even knowing how different they are yourself.
I wasn’t arguing that he doesn’t have experience with the corvette, just that ZR1X is not exactly the same car and would probably behave differently especially with a modified track package. I think Cattell did a great job and his only advantage is that he knows his car since he worked on it. I still think the car could do a little better, but hey like the GTR if hasn’t happen why should I care about a time that doesn’t exist? I’m not losing sleep over this
>This is why you have shit reading comprehension
>Stop responding to what you think I’m saying and respond to what I’m actually saying.
If you go back to our posts, you will see that I only directly quote you instead of putting words in your mouth like you did. Sure, my interpretations might not fit what you wanted to say, but I don’t make up quotes from you. Hell, the first post I made about the cars being different, I said that I think Misha could be faster in the ZR1X

Corvette isn't production nor street legal looooolz