Thread 28665615

I'm thinking something like a 2018-19 elise or a similarly priced mk5 supra, both have Toyota™ seal of approval so I'm sure they wouldn't be hard pressed to do a measly 15 to 20k kilometers a year, but the supra screams for attention and I'd prefer smth a bit more understated. I can get a brand new GR Yaris for the price but I can't stand the revamped interior and I don't want to go for the weaker older model

I dont sell my cars or guns ever so don't particularly care about resale value or deprecation or appreciation or any of that gay redditor arab bullcrap, these cars will rust away to nothingness before I sell them sonny

v6 chally

>>28665615 (OP)
DDing sports cars is for the super wealthy and the super poor. The rest of us have a daily and a weekender.

>>28665615 (OP)
Those cars are for mantlets.

>>28665615 (OP)
I mean lets be honest, those are not sports cars.
They are lifestyle cars with sporty styling, and most people just call them hairdressers cars.

A110 GTS

>>28665644
He said sports cars anon, the renault 110 is not a sports car.

>>28665645
He's talking about the Austin A110, you moron.

>>28665615 (OP)
>I'm thinking something like a 2018-19 elise
the elise is a miserable daily
>the supra screams for attention and I'd prefer smth a bit more understated
so you want to go with an elise?

Lotus made an incredible car, but the spartan interior and glued together chassis doesn't really lend itself to a car that will have a lot of miles put on it.
get something like a focus rs, gr yaris/corolla, golf r, performance package z

>>28665650
Clearly not a sports car, i mean lets be honest.

>>28665660
lol. lmao, even.

>>28665644
it is nice but I feel you're in porsche territory if it needs even minimal amounts of work
>>28665659
I don't really need anything besides functional AC and even that I barely use except during those 35c days

Make more money and buy the Porsche.

>>28665676
nah I'd rather get a plane

>>28665615 (OP)
400z

>>28665667
You're really underestimating how bad they are as dailies. Might as well just get an exocet or ariel atom.

>>28665667
Not at all. It’s a Renault. A fairly reliable one, even.
Assuming you’re in Europe, that thing is cheaper to run and maintain in the long run than the Kraut brands

>pretty average cost of ownership
>widely available
>not attention-whoring
>large aftermarket
>6spd still available
>back seat justincase
The GR86 was made for this

just buy a mustang? like THE quintessential pedestrian sports car?

>>28665625

anon ask sports car . u post bus . retard

>>28665642
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a42309635/1993-alfa-romeo-spider-veloce-1993-honda-civic-del-sol-si-1993-mazda-mx-5-miata-1993-mercury-capri-xr2-compared/

Not only are things like a 911 or Corvette sports cars, you could even argue that they are too upmarket and expensive to be called a sports car in the true historical sense of the term.

>>28666117
>Believing a paid marketing website
Anon, if you believe the gm corvette is a sports car, I have a bridge to sell you.

>>28665642
Yeah a "real" sports car has only one seat, a rollcage, fuel cutoff switch on the dash, no HVAC or radio or literally anything else, and would probably not be road legal. But what's the point of being pedantic about it?

>>28665615 (OP)
Celica is a pretty much exactly that. Sports car exterior but with tons of room inside and very reliable engine.
But I'm sure you want some nu-slop

>>28665615 (OP)
here you go

>>28665615 (OP)
why do you want to DD a sportscar?
get yourself something comfortable+reliable+cheap to run, then drive your nice car on the weekend.

>>28665615 (OP)
>sports car
>daily
>not a richfag

>>28666153
When you do things for sport it means you're not doing it as a profession. Sports cars are amateur enthusiast touring cars. The corvette is an amateur enthusiast touring car. Corvettes are sports cars.

>>28666153
Sports car is a car you drive for sport.
Meaning a rental ferrari is not a sports car, thats a comercial vehicle, but a kei truck you cruise around for fun in is a sports car.
>not to be confused with a race car

you want a light car that’s fun to pilot even at slower speeds.
you want to be able to do some skids here and there.
this leaves you with an A110 GT(S), BRZ, Miata, Emira and Cayman (barely, because these 2 are heavy)

>>28666115
what bus features 52:48 weight distro, an 85% power to weight ratio, double wishbones on all four wheels and 8-count em-EIGHT cupholders including two under the hood for your wrenchin beer?

none.
god machine

>>28666491
>When you do things for lifestyle it means you're not doing it as a sport. Lifestyle cars are regular road econobox cars, with sporty styling. The corvette is a lifestyle car. Corvettes are also widely known as hairdressers cars.

>>28665625
>>28666995
this car has 2 tons

>>28667127
only when your mom is in it

>>28665627
everyone who has a weekend car treats it like they have an F40 in the garage and its usually a million-example MX5.
DDing a sports car doesn't mean it's your only car.

>>28666995

u need to be 18 to post here

>>28667113
>V8-powered 'econobox cars'
OK I know this user is a namefag and a troll whom I shouldn't even be replying to but did you hit your head really hard around 1966 or something and only woke up now?

>>28667228
>One of the most common, mass produced engines in everything from a van to a hairdressers car
Kek
Maybe you should write to GM and suggest the may a separate and unique engine for every single different badge engineered car they do.
Actually nevermind, they are going EV only anyway.
But just a reminder, the v8 is just a normal (old ICEV) engine, nothing special.

>>28667325
So you did hit your head really hard around 1966 and only woke up now. I understand, I'm sorry about your condition.

>>28665936
I can manage the lack of sound insulation, and the perks of being in a shithole country is that most of our infrastructure is rather new so roads are pretty sleek
>>28665977
hmm you have a good point, and the exhaust does sound pretty good for a 4cyl
>>28667177
>DDing a sports car doesn't mean it's your only car.
exactly, I already have a larger shitbox for carrying stuff

>>28667505
Why not an evora instead?

>elise
had a former boss who dailied one and constantly bitched about it as a DD. still loved it, but he said it was brutal on shit roads and in all the traffic, which we have loads of

>>28667505
>already have a larger shitbox
miat, C5/C6, 400Z, M2, RS3 if you're okay with 4 doors (older TTRS if not, but the RS3 is better imo). people swear on the A110, but I'm not a yuro so idk shit about them. this is assuming you want something relatively recent

>>28667521
too pricey, and I'd prefer something on the lighter side (sub 1300kg)
>>28667532
ah traffic and road quality aren't much of an issue, lots of touges here too. I like the RS3 but it's too fat for what I want currently, anything above 3l is a no-go for me so no american cars

>>28667584
maybe go for the TTRS or miata then.

>>28667584
I'm not sure what the point of this thread even is if you've already made up your mind that you want an elise. Did you just want affirmation that you made a good choice and aren't a fucking retard?

>>28667616
I guess, it's not a smart choice either way so 'tarded I am, but idc. maybe I'll wait a year in case toyota finally gives the gr86 a bit more oomph but I'm not holding hope lol

>>28667616
also years ago I wanted to get a used audi a4 and someone on a forum convinced me to get a new civic instead, unironically, it was the right move too so I do keep an open mind

>>28666491
Do you ever get tired of posting the same thing every day?

>>28667760
oops, meant for >>28667113

>>28667113
>most people just call them hairdressers cars
except literally nobody but you uses the term 'hairdresser car', let alone refer to something like a 911 as such, so this statement manages to be simultaneously wrong on multiple levels, both technically and figuratively

>>28665615 (OP)


You can't go wrong with the A110. Wish we had them here in the states, but then we get cheap c8's as a tradeoff so I suppose we both have our options.

>>28667841
The Porsche 911 is a supercar, so in a completely different league.
The gm corvette is consoomer slop.

>>28667861
>this guy thinks that an upgraded VW bug for LA trophy wives is a supercar

Average age for a 911 owner is 59 btw

>>28667861
unresponsive

>>28667861
What does 'supercar' mean anymore when cars that are not 'supercars' are literally superior to the 'supercar' ?

>>28665615 (OP)
I dd a mustang gt

Why do you fucking morons still reply to that guy? He's been at this retarded shitposting for years now

>>28667186
obviously i'm over 18 you busrider, i have a driver's license unlike you

>>28667903
that’s a comfy gt car, not a sports car

>>28668250
Name a gt car that isn't considered a sports car

>>28665615 (OP)
Mustang GT

>>28668274
all of them.
just because they have some power under the hood doesn’t make them sporty. they are heavy as fuck.

>>28667900
Supercars have pedigree, something a gm can never have

>>28667861
Which 911? GT3? Superstar.
c2? No

>>28665644
based.
picrel OC

>>28666491
NTA but a touring car is a car made for long distance driving with passengers and luggage. While people do race touring cars, they are not inherently built for racing.

>>28665676
Nice base model son. Couldn’t afford a real 911?

>>28668885
That's just begging the question; why did anyone ever think so-and-so were good, in the first place, before anyone knew them?
You're engaging in what's known as cargo-cult thinking here; formality without substantial reality.

>>28669454
I'm not seeing any disagreement here.

>>28669454
So a mustang is a sports car as it lacks room for passengers and luggage.

I mean some people call playing video games a sport.
Might as well let the stang slip

MX-5 with an LSD. Duh.

>>28666478
unironically the worst Z06. Chevy was too lazy to make a good N/A engine for it so they just slapped a blower on and called it a day. I'm glad they tried with the C8.

>>28669779
A car being a "touring" has nothing to do with performance, enthusiasm, professionalism, or lack of it. It's just space plus a minimum of comfort for long distance driving. Ever wonder why some wagons are called Touring or Tourer? Now you know.

>>28666491
based and true

>>28670731
The cars to ever be called sports cars were all called touring cars or roadsters prior to the 1920's when the term was coined. The classic archetype avant la lettre being the Mercedes Simplex 60 hp, which was described at the time of 1903 as 'a fast touring car'.
So the historical etymology of sports car is a high performance road going touring car for amateur enthusiast enjoyment.

>>28666995
52:48 is dogshit and understeer city the average bus has a 45:55 F:R weight distribution, like a mid engined supercar. You are not a real racer.

>>28670745
*The first cars to

>>28670745
Touring means traveling. A touring car is a car made for traveling. A fast touring car is a fast touring car, or maybe a grand touring car. Whether the term sports car was used to mean fast touring car 100 years ago or not is largely irrelevant today as their standards for what constituted fast or indeed a car made for traveling are so far detached from our own that any comparison is pointless. Especially considering many cars that people today would call sports cars are the diametrical opposite of a car made for long distance travel with passengers and luggage (eg Lotus Elise). At any rate, many of these definitions have been abused by automakers because they became associated with desirable vehicles so nowadays you will find the "sport" or "gt" moniker slapped onto just about anything.

>>28670805
Anyway while I'm here I'll offer my definition of all these terms and the way in which they differ from each other:
Touring/tourer
>car made for long distance travel with a passengers and luggage
>a minimum amount of comfort for long hours driving
>no real definition of how much space is enough space, nowadays mostly used for wagons
Grand touring/tourer
>car made for long distance driving in absolute comfort
>typically a sedan, usually on the big side
>comfortable and highly adjustable seats you can sit on for hours
>soft suspension, high profile tires with lots of sidewall, the objective is to isolate the driver as much as possible from road irregularities
>lots of noise isolation
>lots of leg room
>every luxury gizmo available at the time
>almost always auto transmission for comfort
>big powerful engines, with the goal of being able to travel at high sustained speeds with minimal engine noise and vibration
Sports car
>car made for visceral, high speed driving
>as small as possible, traditionally a coupe
>bucket seats that are not very adjustable, not very comfortable, made to hold you in place during high lateral g maneuvers rather than long hours of driving
>stiff suspension, low profile wheels, lets the driver feel every tiny bump on the road
>usually not a lot of noise isolation
>tiny cramped interior
>typically spartan in terms of optional luxury features
>used to be always manual as it was faster, nowadays auto trannies are faster but a lot of people still go for manuals as an engaging and visceral driving experience is the end goal
>(not necessarily big) powerful engines and gearing aimed at offering an optimal mix of acceleration and top speed for fast driving in different road layouts
>some of the more pure cars of this class will have things like lightweight flywheels that make them absolutely miserable to daily drive

>>28670805
The primary - if not only - factor in the standard was faster than regular traffic. Was the same then, is the same now, will be the same in the future.
The secondary factor being not radically divorced in form from regular traffic, either. It is a road going car that can do things for you that other road going cars on the road do, but tuned up. 'Sportier', you might even say.
Hence, high performance road going touring car for amateur enthusiast enjoyment. That is what a sports car is.

>>28669460
He couldn't afford any 911, its his dad's car. He's a larping faggot.

>poorfag projecting
Nice coping mechanism

>>28665615 (OP)
just buy a e36 M3 , M sport or boost an 318is
the main thing you want is a car that is not horrible to drive on a day by day basis
also when you start driving like an asshole it shouldnt feel sketchy
i think BMW is the perfect car for driving like this
i have driven true sportscars on long road trips and after 2 days i always wished i was in a E36
the beauty of an e36 is it feels like a solid car driving normally it but when cornering hard it doesnt feel like a heavy piece of shit, like it will actually move