Thread 28683069

Which is better /o/?

Mazda3 Turbo

both are a ton of fun

evos blow up a lot more than given credit for and rust out harder than any subaru. parts are getting disturbingly rare. mitsubishi hates evos while subaru loves the sti.

stis are more fun with different character. i find them to be more accessible.

keep them stock turbo and you'll be happy, the evo has a way better engine design = more power with less effort but still turns into a moneypit if you get a shitty tuner, retard previous owner etc.

atm stis are a better deal, i bought this 2016 for $16k with 73k miles. they arent worth dick because they blow up if you look at them funny and they made the same car from 2004-2021. on the flipside it makes the parts stupid cheap and its one of the few cars that improved over the years (this weighs 100lbs more than a gd but has better suspension/steering and more tire)

>>28683079
I actually like Mazda as a whole, so saying that.....

Mazda 3 is the biggest piece of shit that has ever left their factory. Maybe any factory.
The windshield ia so thin that the smallest imaginable raindrops sound like gravel.
The road noise at 25mph is like a Toyota or Ford or even a fucking Kia doing 90.
Ive driven golf carts with smoother suspension.
Ergonomics seem like they were designed by a midget with elephantitus- nothing comfortable for a normal human- from the shape of the seat to center console layout.

Its almost as though they just took discarded designs that came in second place during production of other vehicles and shoehorned them together by committee to squeeze out another nameplate to fill a niche segment they were losing money on to other manufacturers.

Shittiest car on record.

>>28683069 (OP)
stis were good, evos were just better
all in the past now though; doubly so for mitsubishi

last time this came up back in 2010, the STI was better when there was dirt on parts of the road and the EVO was better when the road was all one surface.

>>28683069 (OP)
still to be determined

>>28683069 (OP)
Evos almost always had the edge in racing, one of the reasons you could see more of them in rally events. I always liked subis more though.

>>28683100
What year? I rented a 4th gen and that thing was comfy as fuck.

>>28683069 (OP)
Both are kind of fun cars to drive, the Sube's are more comfortable and civilized but the EVO's tend to be a bit more apeshit 'because race car' underpinnings just as a general feeling I got from driving a few different models of both over the years.

>>28683069 (OP)
Evos are more technologically advanced with parts better engineered to take power and abuse, but parts availability is forever dwindling and the cost of entry is so much higher for a generation worth owning. An evo V or VI will run you 30k, a gc8 sti can be had for 15k.
Evo IVs and earlier are around 15-20k, but are known for crank walk, and new engines are like 5k+

I think evos are better cars, but stis are better to own (just don't mod it)

>>28683368
It's not technology as someone who owned both

The Evo was just better designed and was a more serious car. It had rear LSDs standard and front LSD if you bought a RS when the GC8 would only give you that on a Type R/Type RA spec car. It had a quicker steering ratio the regular STIs didn't get unless you chose a Type R/RA or GDB/GRB Spec C. The rear suspension was better and Subaru didn't improve theirs until GRB. The real Evo magic was the steering rack, rear suspension, good abs, and rear plate LSD + helical front diff. AYC was a gimmick.

That said you can always add those parts to the regular STi and the 2015+ had it all come standard. And it doesn't make the STI suddenly bad. STi Spec Cs and Type RAs were always equal or better than Evos. And the STIs have their own perks (engine sound, better shifter, softer sprung, more understeer = easier to drive fast but less forgiving if you fuck up like a Evo)

>>28683087
> one of the few cars that improved over the years
The core has remained unchanged, mostly, but the wrx has only gotten worse:
>heavier every year
>power hasn’t improved since 1991
>worse diff setup than previous generations

>>28683508
Each generation gained 50lbs and strong chassis/suspension improvements. GRs received double wishbone rear. VAs have the stiffest chassis. Even a 2005 STi weighs in at like 3250-3300lbs. A 2015 STi weighs 3350-3450lbs. Evo 9 to X was like 200-250lbs in comparison from 3200-3250lbs to 3400-3500lbs.

The diffs actually got better. After 2007 they went to Torsen rear and Helical LSD front.. And they have the potential for more power with AVCS on intake and exhaust cams after 2008. The EJ207 GDs got twin scroll too.

Even the newer WRXs are pretty damn good cars. A VA WRX with the performance pack put down the same times as older STis. They overcame the lack of diffs by simply improving the suspension and chassis. I think the new WRX is a awesome car despite not having LSDs or the 6MT from the old car.

>>28683069 (OP)
EVO mogs objectively and subjectively
STI would get some pitty points if it didn't have a retarded ass engine design

>>28683546
>EVO mogs objectively and subjectively
weird that subaru won wrc 3 consecutive years against shitsubishi

they're both very similar cars

>>28683069 (OP)
GR Yaris

>>28683480
AYC wasn't a gimmick, it made the rear of the car less stable, it was a matter of taste whether you liked that or not.

>>28684421
That's kind of why I put it in the >gimmick category, it wasn't a improvement over a proper lsd (iirc Evos had a 1-way clutch/plated lsd) and the RS cars were as fast or faster despite no AYC. It usually gets deleted when the pump breaks, the rear diff fails since it takes less power, or its a serious track build for a RS or US Spec Diff (same shit).

ACD definitely wasn't. It works pretty similar to DCCD on Subarus (hydraulic vs electromechanical). I think ACD made them definitely faster on the 2005s and newer.

>>28683544
I actually looked it up.

Evo 9 = 3220-3285lbs
Evo 10 = 3520-3600lbs

Evo weight gain was far more egregious (300-320lbs) than STi (100-150lbs). The Subaru just looks wider/larger than it actually is. Even the 2007 STi Limiteds were weighing in at 3350lbs.

Pic related is a 2021 w/no sunroof (has 6 piston Brembos + 19x8.5s though)...im sure a loaded STi Limited is closer to 3500lbs.

>>28684435
I'll stick with my 2700lb best gen

>>28684435
>It usually gets deleted when the pump breaks
as with almost all the innovative tech of the 90s
Hicas, ayc, even early abs, it all sucked ass and just means more stuff that can break.

>>28684316
Your Subaru and the one that won share a badge and an engine block.

>>28684719
the same can be said about literally every single homologation race car. what point were you trying to make with this post?

>>28684759
I'm trying to explain to you that bringing up wrc wins when the road cars are being discussed is a moot point since they're completely different.

>>28686243
Not really, they're still fundamentally the same car

>>28686282
Yeah, the wrc version just has different rotating assembly, injectors, turbo, heads, cams, chassis reinforcements, springs, dampeners, antiroll bars, wheels, brakes, interior, aero, gearbox, steering rack, cooling system, fuel pump, body panels, intake manifold, exhaust manifold, exhaust.
Pretty much the same car.

>>28686296
Gemini and ChatGPT say you're wrong

>>28686296
Again, fundamentally the same car.
One just has upgraded parts.
This isn't hard to understand.

>>28683100
>goes on a massive rant about a particular model
>doesnt mention year or generation

>>28686326
Because it's a bot.
The Mazda 3 is probably the single best econobox ever made

>>28686326
>>28686335
Sounds to me like he's describing Mazda 3 BK, but that couldn't be the case because he didn't mention anything about the rust or how anemic the engines feel at low RPMs.

>>28683069 (OP)
EVO is my favorite color red therefore it's better.

>>28683480
Yes, Evos are still highly represented in formal motorsports, I see way more than any wrx generation

That said, wrx is still a great car. I think they sold more of them, but they were softer "base" models compared to the race homologation Evos. They certainly have weaker engines, but the sti transmission seems to take more abuse (clutch popping) than the evo transmission

Overall, I find the evo to be more iconic, which is why I got one.

Still going strong on spare parts and what not - desu even brand new cars have crap parts availability these days

>>28684445
Fuck off everything breaks eventually, everything requires maintenance, and all that shit was awesome.

>>28686439
I didn't say it wasn't cool, just that it was mostly useless and prone to breaking. Ayc and hicas deletes are like the first mod people do to their skylines and evos

>>28686386
Which one? They came in 4 different types of Red

All boxer design knows how to do is be bi sexual, eat hot chip and die

>>28683069 (OP)
I hate them both but I'm going to give it to the subaru because at least the engine in facing the right way. Any car with a transverse front engine is automatically shit

>>28683069 (OP)
boxer 4 cylinder are an abomination

>>28683356
Manlet detected

>>28683069 (OP)
https://youtu.be/3FdQQWFfarE?si=vdHHQI7wp6b6Q5yV&t=102