Thread 28688070

Hey all, father of 2, maybe more in the future. I'd like to get a van for my wife and kids. I'm looking at a relatively new, ~'23
>Kia Carnival
>Honda Odyssey
>Toyota Sienna
Do any anons have any opinions on the listed vehicles? I think the Kia looks the best, but it's a minivan, so no matter what it's not going to be sexy. I'm leaning towards the Honda Odyssey, because it just seems to check the most boxes, but was hoping someone here could provide any guidance from their own experiences.

>>28688070 (OP)
Sienna is in demand due to hybrid mpg. If you cannot get a good deal on one, get the Odyssey.

>>28688070 (OP)
Just get an SUV

>>28688075
Thanks for the reply anon. I'm a little wary on the hybrids, aside from the MPG, I haven't seen too many positives from the hybrids. Performance seems lacking and inconsistent. Lastly, I have a fear that since it's hybrid, there's more shit to go wrong.

Do you have a Sienna/Odyssey? Where is your opinion coming from?

>>28688089
Don't be this faggot.

If Mazda made a minivan using the Toyota hybrid drive train, or even straight 6, like they got in the CX-50 I'd get in that. I have an Odyssey, always recommend it. Just looks the best of the offerings, and they last forever. MPG is lackluster, but it's got great power. I'd seriously recommend you take your time and find a deal on a used one.
>VCM, cylinder deactivation
Buy the tuner and plug it in, super easy. Otherwise you get a janky drive as it aggressively dumps a bank of cylinders depending on VCM version to maintain ECO. In all you lose like 1 highway MPG, but not blowing piston rings and needing a potential rebuild is worth it. Also engine mounts prematurely fail due to the VCM because they are electrically actuated to dampen in response to dropping the operation of 3 cylinders, they're expensive, just get the VCM Tuner and never look back.
>Mom machine
Honda designed this thing around moms. It's incredibly thoughtful and intentional with storage and little hooks and stuff.
>looks
Doesn't look like a mouth breathing retard like the sienna or a rectangular fuck like the Kia clownshow. Also
>Kia
The Odyssey has mechanically been the same thing since its inception. Highly recommend.

>>28688099
>no argument
SUVs are superior in every way that matters

Unchanged perfection for decades

I work for a honda dealer. Odysseys are dope, and actually pretty fast. The new ones are pretty nice but you can't go wrong with one from the last ten years.

>>28688070 (OP)
Odyssey is great. Tons of room, real comfortable even on long rides, and a higher trim one has all sorts of useful little doodads (trunk vacuum cleaner). Buddy had a Sienna which was also pretty great. I liked the interior a bit less though. I'd pretty much ignore Kia unless you want to introduce breakdowns into your family road trips

>>28688095
>Performance seems lacking
anon, its a minivan. If you want performance in a brat wagon look at real SUVs.

>>28688137
Pretty expensive for what you're getting but you are getting a 400hp 6.6 liter V8.

Go with the Sienna or Odyssey.
I wish Toyota would stop fucking around and brought the Alphard to the US.

>>28688112
>Mom machine
That's exactly why we're buying it.
>VCM, cylinder deactivation
Is there a specific tune you'd recommend looking at?

>>28688231
I'm not looking for performance, but when I've seen videos of the hybrids, they seem to be inconsistent or "lag" while driving.

>>28688145
Truth

>>28688241
We have the Alphard here and considered one but they're not meant for families. Far too luxe (delicate materials and switches), and the captains seats don't play nicely with isofix. There's a reason they're largely used for business.

I am a dad and I'm just gonna buy a chevy express when my family outgrows (in number of kids and the MOUNTAIN OF SHIT you haul around per kid) my wife's cx-9. I like minivans fine but my wife hates them so I guess it's large cuckover -> proper van

>>28688241

based Chad Alphard enjoyer

>>28688348

Proper van is a truck chassis and can haul fucking everything

You are based for this

>>28688095
>Do you have a Sienna/Odyssey?
I'm looking around for them.
>Where is your opinion coming from?
The Toyota hybrid system is a very mature system and is very easy to service. The Odyssey has been the choice for people who want the "fast" van.

I would advise against the Sienna if you're constantly hard on the throttle, haul very heavy, and/or do both on very hilly terrain, basically using the vehicle beyond its capabilities on a regular basis. It will run out of batteries and you're left without the electric assist. Most Sienna owners are never going to reach that point, but a buddy of mine does since he uses it to haul frozen meat for his restaurant. That minivan is essentially a fuel-efficient pickup truck for him so he constantly overloads it. It's great when he's not using the van as a truck.

>>28688304
>they seem to be inconsistent or "lag" while driving
That's just inherent to Toyota's hybrid system. It uses an eCVT and that "lag" is the engine spinning up as the CVT looks for an ideal ratio.

>>28688123
>SUVs are superior in every way that matters
In doing so, you've totally ignored what OP wanted in a car, which is a wife and kid hauler, and he has plans to breed his wife some more. He's probably looking for a big car that is easy to live with.

That pretty much means the minivan with sliding doors and big strollers are in his future, not a SUV. He stated no intentions of off-roading or towing.

>>28688393
>big strollers are in his future
you've clearly never owned a Wonderfold or a BOB if you think you're fitting that in a minivan with its third row up, and if you have it down, you might as well have a full size SUV at that point

>>28688393
>>28688394
OP here, this is also a gift from an old relative. They wanted to get us "a van", and gave us freedom on what to choose. Given a van makes sense for our situation, I wouldn't want to come back and say, "how about a suburban." I wouldn't want to upset them, or blow it as this will be a massive upgrade for us.

>>28688304
>Is there a specific tune you'd recommend looking at?
I believe I got VCM Tuner, plenty of options. It only intercepts the engine temp sensor input to the VCM system. Once the engine is warmed up the PCM will allow ECO mode, so by spoofing the 1 temp signal, the VCM never kicks on. It's not supposed to be an engine tune, it just withholds the coolant temp signal unless you are trending way above average, in which case it disables itself and passes the actual temperature to the driver and system. This little device is built for any Honda that uses the cylinder management system. Only problem is newer models (I think 2023 and up) use a more complex registry of parameters to decide when to enable the cylinder management.

>>28688070 (OP)
just make sure to keep a handheld air horn with you for when the horn breaks

>>28688070 (OP)
Yes 2015 Sienna limited
Love it

>>28688932
>I wouldn't want to upset them, or blow it as this will be a massive upgrade for us.
Thanks for the update. My answer still stands. Go for a Sienna or Odyssey.

>Toyota Sienna
AWD, trim it to XLE and above.
>Honda Odyssey
Trim it to EX-L and above.

You will find reasonable availability for the Odyssey, the Sienna you'll probably need to call around for since they've yet to actually meet demand.

>>28689617
My wife is really into the Honda since that's all she's ever known. I'm really partial to the ventilated seats, so I'm only looking at the Elite. We're going to test drive it tomorrow, so we'll see how it goes.

>>28689566
Thanks for the explanation. "Tuned" makes it sound much more intrusive than what you described. Assuming we go with the Odyssey, I'll give this some serious thought.

Kia Carnival is much nicer and newer than the alternatives.

>>28689714
>We're going to test drive it tomorrow, so we'll see how it goes.
I see you've already set an expectation. You won't be disappointed. Enjoy the Odyssey.

>>28688070 (OP)
I have a '25 Carnival and love it. The diesel engine is a gem. I'd describe driving it as being like a whale drifting through the ocean, unperturbed by smaller creatures.

The worst part about the car is how it beeps and bongs at you constantly. It's really aggressive about it, almost hateful. It really detracts from an otherwise incredibly serene driving experience. You can turn the beeps off, but I still haven't even figured out how to get it to stop loudly telling me about speed cameras.

The other cars will be good too, but make sure you look into the little details like how they do their seating configuration. I'm a little bit annoyed about how the second-row seats can't be easily removed in Australia (because of a wiring harness), but they can in America. If I couldn't get a diesel, I would have gone for a hybrid.

>>28689617
AWD seems like a meme for this kind of car, I doubt you're really going to find any situations where it would actually help.

>>28688166
Instead of permanently mounting a vacuum in your car, why not just carry a better one in the boot? I swear I remember some minivan having a fridge built into the centre console, now THAT is a gimmick which I would love to have.

>>28688241
Alphards (etc) have significantly worse boot space than other minivans. Their seats don't fold into the floor, so you're stuck with them in an awkward spot on the wall. The ones here are all older too, so you don't get the (genuinely indispensable) modern camera systems.

Personally I keep one of my third-row seats folded up and the other down, because I have a spare child seat mounted on the third row. It leaves me with a long flat area for prams and other big things, and a nice little well area to carry groceries.

>>28688070 (OP)
I have 4 kids. My wife drives a 4runner with 3rd row seating. Before we had our 4th kid she drove a Camry. You don't need a minivan for two children, you are wasting your money.

>>28690062
>4runner using 3rd row seat, van-like, configuration
>4runner costs exactly as much, if not more than any of the minivans listed
>cannot read that the vehicle is being given as a gift
Anon, do you have an extra chromosome?

>>28688070 (OP)
white man, married, 4 kids here. I have a 2021 hybrid sienna, and its awesome. comfy smooth ride, everything just werks, easy maintenance.

Is Jazz a minivan?

>>28690062
This. Have 2 kids (6 and 4). I drive a 2019 Audi S4, Wife drives a 2018 4runner (w/o 3rd row). We don’t need more space. If we had a 3rd, then we’d look maybe, but this guy gets it.

>>28690122
No. You don’t understand. He’s saying minivans are unnecessary with the current brood.

>>28690062
>>28690176
if you can only afford 1 vehicle and need something that does everything, then an SUV is worth considering. but nothing beats the ride quality and comfort of a minivan for road trips or going to grandma's house.

>>28688070 (OP)
giwtwm

>>28690122
Shut up retard. You obviously didn't comprehend my post. Do not procreate.

>>28688070 (OP)
Check out the savagegeese comparison video on the three.
Personally I'd go Sienna or hold off and pray that the Odyssey gets a hybrid refresh soon enough.
Love that the Odyssey has removable seats. Hard to beat the Sienna for reliability.
Carnival only makes sense with the V6 but even then I wouldn't trust the Kia further than I can throw it. My sister has a Carnival and the things consumes oil.

>>28689939
We ended up test-driving a '26 Odyssey. The saleswoman was super curvy and was a nice treat to the experience. Not super pushy. My wife wants the Odyssey, I'm going to start negotiations tomorrow or Tuesday. I'm looking for a '25 to hopefully find a desperate dealer to dump it prior to EOY. Sticker price is already like 5k cheaper compared to the '26.

>>28690176
>>28690184
>>28690468
You clearly didn't read this >>28688932
post. I'm being given "a minivan" as a gift. I'm not going to bite the hand that feeds me. A 2026 Odyssey is a giant upgrade from wife's current CR-V, so I'm grateful.

my dad didn't have no fagass minivan ever, infact I don't think he has ever owned anything with 4 doors.

>>28690923
>You clearly didn't read this >>28688932
You should have included it in the OP. I'm not going to read every faggot ass post in every thread I visit when half of the board is retards slapfighting and forced memes

>>28690496
Not OP, but the Carnival is the only option here; no Odyssey, Sienna, or Pacifica. I really don't want a crossover or SUV.

>>28690946
Lol. Lmao even. Came back to seethe though.

>>28690969
Why Carnival? In my anecdotal research, mechanically it doesn't seem to compete. I originally was looking at the Carnival, but I've read multiple "stay away" type comments, even beyond this thread.

>>28690982
For some reason, the only market where the Carnival has any real competition (the US) is also the only market where they don't offer its main engine option, the 2.2L diesel. It's arguably one of the best commuter diesel engines on the market. At least, it's probably the most popular.

>>28690946
>doesn't read the atmosphere on a tuvaluan competitive diplomatic cloud watching union forum
Why are you even here?

>>28690929
ackshually they have five doors my nibba

>>28691115
Americans hate diesel commuter cars.

>>28688070 (OP)
My mom bought an AWD Pacifica and likes it
She didn't want a sienna, was almost sold on the Honda but apparently every Honda dealer in our area is full of jackasses, the next option was chrysler.

>>28691254
Pacifica is ancient by this point. My coworker bought one new had a bunch of mechanical problems within a year of ownership.

Every minivan thread has someone going
>REEE, buy an SUV like everyone else
No, I don’t want more body roll or truck like driving
>REEE get a cuck-over
No, I want to fit more than 4-5 people comfortably

>>28693400
SUV guys really discount how convenient the sliding door is when loading baby into the seat. Headroom seems comparable, legroom might be too. But minivan just feels more open.

>>28688089
>>28688123
>Buy an SUV!
>less interior space
>less amenities like a large center screen or in-cabin cameras to keep an eye on the kids
>smaller fuel tank
>worse fuel economy
>more expensive insurance
>literally same engine/transmission configuration that their Highlander/Pilot/Palisade counterparts use
>bbbbbbut I NEED that extra 2" ground clearance!

>Toyota has cucked the US out of the Toyota Alphard for over 2 decades
>Toyota, famously known for uplifting mudslimes, has thoroughly deprived Uber Black drivers across all 50 states out of the lovely Lexus LM

>>28693467
>doesn't even know what models of cars SUVs are

Glad I found this thread so I don’t have to make one. I have three kids and have been cramming them three across into the back seat of my Regal Tour X and my wife’s 08 Cayenne. I’ve been researching minivans and frankly they all seem like shit. So many negative reviews for all of them. The Sienna only comes as a hybrid and is overpriced. The Odyssey is outdated and has cylinder deactivation. Carnivals look like shit and Pacificas are garbage according to most people. I didn’t want to consider three row SUVs but all the negatives about the current mini vans is making me look into them.

>>28696380
Three-row SUVs and minivans aren't even comparable.
Go and sit in the third row of an SUV and report back.

>>28696395
I’d prefer minivan but the current options don’t seem very good. What’s the least shitty option that isn’t a hybrid or ridiculously expensive? Anything with a third row is going to feel spacious compared to what we are doing now.

>>28696403
You think they're all bad, but they're actually all incredible. I drive a diesel Carnival and can find very little fault in it. But all of them are miles ahead of their competition, and the hybrids in both the Sienna and Carnival are very good.
I don't know where you're hearing these negative opinions, if I look at reviews of these cars the first thing I ever see is "This is great, only idiots would buy an SUV". I even asked ChatGPT and it couldn't think of any actual reason to buy an SUV other than marketing.

>Ridiculously expensive
The Carnival is something like $1k more expensive than the Sorento across the range. You've just convinced yourself that minivans are economy haulers rather than luxury tourers.

>>28688241
I wish honda would stop fucking around and brought Freed to the US. It would absolutely demolish family vehicle market.

>>28688070 (OP)
When my Tesla lease ends in 2 years I want the new KIA PV5 van, if I can easily take the back seats out and get my motorcycle in there.

>>28688070 (OP)
Dad here, modern minivans are minivans in name only... Glorified crossovers.
No headroom no nothing

>>28696443
>Freed
It's not even the best minivan they offer in Japan (that's Stepwagon).

>>28696380
imo, fuck minivans for the exact reasons you mentioned. and also the whole cuckcar factor

just get a suburban/yukon or an expedition max. or, tahoe/regular expedition, if you don't do a lot of family road trips, and only need space for passengers, not their luggage too.
they ain't cheap, but they have the space you need, don't look like shit, and no hybrid fuckery neither. and, after all, you are trying to buy a lot of car.

the suburban/yukon are even available with NA v8s, tho if you do a lot of road tripping, the diesel might be advisable instead. the expedition only has a turbo v6, but that same engine is installed in fucktons of f150s, so if anything goes wrong you shouldn't have any trouble getting it fixed. by now, mechanics are very familiar with it.

and, finally, another suggestion from left field: a tesla model X.
yes, yes, i know, its EV, its much smaller, whatever.
IRL, if you don't do a lot of road trips, you probably don't need enough space for 6 AND their luggage, so the model x will do. it seats 4 adults in great comfort, and the rear 2 seats are adequate for anyone under 6ft. so, perfectly fine for kids, unless by "kids" you mean particularly tall teenagers. the falcon doors are kick ass for working with child seats, if you care about that, plus they have the cool factor which kids will love.
and its stupid fast, and its stupid cheap to run, and its stupid reliable(modulo build quality shit you get fixed in the first month), because EV.

>>28696899
>tesla model x
>road trips
Lol. Lmao even. Last winter I took the family on a trip and some friends came with in a Tesla. Poor mfs had to ration using the AC and every single day would include stopping by the charging station or the battery got fucked in the cold. I would not consider anything electric for long(er)-distance driving until the manufacturer claimed range is 800 miles at least.

>>28696435
>any actual reason to buy an SUV other than marketing
Ground clearance and AWD might be important depending on where you live. Or at least that's my impression after having to push a few minivans that would stuck/beached in snowy conditions.

>>28696899
>suburban/yukon or an expedition max. or, tahoe/regular expedition
the ride quality is shit, and if you use them as a daily commuter or family hauler they are not fun in small parking lots and garages.

>>28696934
>model x stuff
first off, i specifically suggested it IF road trips are NOT a major concern
second, shut the fuck up with the range FUD. modern teslas have excellent range, incl with AC, heat pumps so they're fine in winter too, very fast charging and the best charging network on the planet. NOBODY has range anxiety issues with them, not unless they live in the absolute middle of nowhere, or they're trying to use them in fucking siberia or some shit. yes, its an EV, you'll need to stop for 20 mins every 300 miles. so the fuck what, normal people take piss/coffe/food stops more often than that.

>>28688070 (OP)
Be the cool dad, anon. Minivans are gay.

>>28696940
>the ride quality is shit
its not. they may have truck frames, but they don't have truck suspension. ride quality is a bit worse than euro-style unibody suvs, but try finding one of those that can fit 6 adults and their luggage. also, you can get base models of suburban/expedition max for like 70k, less for tahoe/regular exp, but a gls or a x7 starts at 85-90, and that's with 6cyls.
and if you really insist on the best ride, you can always spend the money for whatever fancy suspension option they have, air springs, magnaride, whatever

>they are not fun in small parking lots and garages.
well, yea, no shit, they're ginormous full size suvs, being fuckhuge is part of the job description.

>>28696934
FWD with winter tyres will outperform AWD with all-seasons.
But you want to hear the real kicker?
>Carnival ground clearance: 162mm (or 172mm hybrid)
>Sorento ground clearance: 176mm

SUV ownership should be officially recognised as a learning disability.

>>28696943
maybe a 90s woody with better safety features?

Odyssey is nicer than the Sienna all around with the Honda being a bit less reliable (mainly the AT on the older ones not sure about the last decade). Sienna has the usual Toyota tax.

A hybrid is a real big deal with a minivan but at the same time it's probably not worth paying $15k more to get one

>>28697047
It's really easy to figure out how much extra it's worth paying for a hybrid.
Just calculate the total cost of ownership (including higher insurance and servicing fees) and figure out what your annual mileage would have to be for it to make sense.
Minivan owners are all spreadsheet enthusiasts, so I'm sure everyone here knows how to do that calculation.

>>28688070 (OP)
In my opinion, the Carnival's just too fucking huge to be comfy to deal with. That said they're not badly made or anything and Kia seems to have gone the extra step to up their game on these so they're far from terrible or anything.
Kind of hard to go with a fav out of the Odyssey or Sienna, the Toyota has more modern underpinnings (I think) in terms of a good, well thought out everything with an extra scoop of everything else you didn't need. Honda has been around forever and that's not a bad thing, people like them for a reason and that's because they drive really well, civilised inside and have a rep for running until the heat death of entire universes.

But yeah, as other's have said. the SUV is death of motoring and vans have everything you need

>>28688070 (OP)
If you're going for the Odyssey after that test drive, I have some experience with the '06 model. Been in the family since new, and since they've more or less changed fuck all under the body here's what to expect within the next 200k or so miles:

Transmissions: On its third or fourth one, they keep exploding. Current one got stuck in first when I floored it recently and is fairly apprehensive to shift in general.

J35/37: VCM is gay and cringe, easy fix with a tune like other anons have said. Expect the crankshaft pulley to disintegrate at some point and the A/C to spring a leak somewhere.

Sliding door: Automatic sliding door on one side is locked up somehow and won't open unless you open it manually. Not sure if they fixed that. (that was after ~150k miles if you bother keeping it that long)

Suspension: Recently started to shake like hell at 60 MPH, I suspect one of the control arms but I haven't been assed to look.

Overall, served us well the past 20ish years. Other than the transmission jobs, it's held up. Leather interior only really started falling apart 2 or 3 years ago and only around the driver seat. They're as reliable as they come and have plenty of space for road trips. I'd take one over an SUV any day.

>>28696892
You're missing the point. Freed is 700k yen cheaper. Value proposition goes stupid with these shitboxes.

>>28688070 (OP)
I did a 2nd gen odyssey base trim
>1 less catalytic converter to fail
>no uneven engine wear from shutting down half the engine
>same lug pattern as most BMW wheels
>no CVT

She crashed it and now she's back to driving a manual. 2014 Outback with a 6spd, but don't spend a boat load on a NEW mom mobile, get something cheaper and throw in a badass headunit, amp and speakers.

If you can find a super clean 2010 lower trim model Odyssey, jump on it.

>>28690062
>My wife drives a 4runner
What a disgusting creature. Zogcattle only fit to be thrown in a woodchipper and reduced to a puree.
>>28690946
>noooo reading posts before shitting up the discussion is too much effort
Hope your whole family dies in a fire you subhuman.
>>28693427
Don't forget all the small storage in the doors, elbow rests, etc. And the outside visibility and better mileage.

OP here, we went and drove the Odyssey and my wife loved it. She's driven a CRV the past 10 years, so she trusts Honda. I was ready to buy, but the dealership was fucking up the deal. It was a '25 w/ 127 miles and they were charging like $500 cheaper than a '26 with like 4 miles on it. I'm probably looking at getting it EOY.

>>28696899
Funny enough, I was saving for a Tesla, but when this offer came along for my wife and me, I had to put that on pause. The van just makes so much more sense.

>>28696447
Looks like absolute dogs it compared to the Staria –aka Robocop and ED-209 had a Korean baby–

>>28698099
It's DOGSHIT... Goddamn cucked piece of shit gook phone...

>>28697181
Transmission cooler would have greatly helped extend the life (accords of the era have the same issues). Those ATs run so fuckin hot. The ATs after 2010 or so were more robust.

>>28698235
Glad they went and fixed that fuck up. Really the only major gripe I had with it. Nothing leaked other than the A/C and when the suspension used to work, it was the softest riding car I'd ever driven. Love the J35 too, runs smooth when the VCM isn't fucking everything up and it has some serious go to it. Shame they refuse to put it into anything cool.

>>28696380
It sounds like you don't want a minivan even if your use case warrants it. You require a Minivan Avoidance Vehicle, which is probably the Grand Highlander.

>>28688070 (OP)
fuck minivans, get a wagon or a proper van. cant you get vw there? flat floor, seats can be rearranged and moved or removed, carry 10 screaming kids one day, an atv the next then you and the wife go camping the next. minivans are so useless compared.

>>28688348
Vans are work trucks a mini van is far superior in every way for families. Highly recommend you test drive a few and check them out in person. Wife needs to grow up.

>>28698742
Na das slow af

>>28689977
AWD is for heavy rain and snow

>>28696943
People who try to be cool parents are gay. Get whatever fits the purpose better.

Not a dad, but I drive a ram grand caravan and its the most fun car I have ever driven. The best thing about a van you can fill it up with anything and still drive around, or use as a temporary storage or home if you need to. Best thing is they are cheap, easy to fix and run for ever with maintenance. A lot of business use them as fleet vehicles because how cheap they are. I think the reason why a lot of them break is because single moms get them and never do any maintenance.

>>28698897
Was just about to come in here and say that Dodge not making an SRT8 or Hellcat Grand Caravan is a massive missed opportunity.

>>28698904
>Hellcat Grand Caravan
The groid memes would be off the scale. Imagine how nuts niggers would have gone if they could fit the whole crew in a Hellcat.

>>28698848
yeah if you got the 1,9 diesel. i topped out at 190kmh with mine and towed a jeep on a trailer doing 160kmh, that wasnt the top speed just what i felt comfy doing on a windy coastal road. that was the old 2,5 tdi at 130hp today they are above 200hp.
>slow
lol get fucked
https://youtu.be/6ug4dhNN6yU?si=kjmb4yWdTlyEoEE5

My dad had a honda odyssey, then a dodge grand caravan, and now a honda pilot.

>>28698954
>20-100 in 10 seconds flat out
Were you trying to prove his point or are yurocucks that cucked?

>>28688137
I'm thinking of starting an airport shuttle business and I'm between one of these and a Odyssey/Siena. I'm not sure on how much demand the business would get.

>>28699273
in what parts of the world including usa is that slow and its required to have more grunt? your average car and specificly minivans are dead slow, can bare get going.

>>28699659
The odyssey does 100 in 7 seconds.
The carnival does 100 in 8 seconds.
Your diesel van gets to 100 in 13 seconds.
It's fucking slow.

>>28699691
When you daily a 2 cylinders cuckover making 100 hp of course a diesel van will feel quick.

>>28699691
with what engine? would you do a 7second pull with the van full of kids eating ice cream?
when do you ever need it you are still stuck behind barely 400hp big rigs clunking through 18 gears to get going?
try the same with it fully loaded?
heck try it on the autobahn flat out for an hour?
its a reason american minivans doesnt sell at all outside usa.

>>28699691
>>28699714
oh and they do infact do 0-100kmh in 9 seconds if you want them to in common tradie or family trim, there are versions that do it faster just no one buy them (gassers, im in diesel land). and they got awd, good load capability and can haul a trailer.

>>28688095
Toyota hybrid system is absolutely great anon.

Nobody buys the tsi engine
Nobody buys the biturbo diesel engine
People usually buy the 150 diesel engine
Stop coping about your slow ahh van
The odyssey only comes with 1 engine trim
t.waffle

>>28699726
assumiming you replied to me
the 200ish hp biturbo engine is the standard here, you have to order a slower one meanwhile they got biturbos on the floor ready for you to drive out right there.
hp isnt everything, the older 130hp 5cyl engine was nearly as fast, infact maybe faster. it did 0-100 a bit slower but had far better in-gear acceleration. it overtook in 5th or 6th and topped out at 220kmh while the biturbos need to downshift to do the same and tops out at 200.
t. t5/t6 driver for decades and i never been the slow guy on the road. i now drive a transit and i am the not so fast guy on the road but i can live with it, transit has its thing over vw but its not speed.

>>28699714
>its a reason american minivans doesnt sell at all outside usa.
because you can't afford the gas to run them and your government would tax you to hell and back

>>28699742
because they dont come in diesel, flat floor and awd. the ford vans sold pretty well back in the time, gm as well. you removed yourself from that and now we dont buy american vans. "minivan" lol that name in itself implies faggotry.
>i need a van but i cant afford/cant be seen in one

>>28699786
>t.has to wait between 2 and 3 business days before reaching 60

>>28699831
where do you have to vwait for a bus?

>>28688070 (OP)
I have three chudlings, use the Diono brand seats and you can fit 3 across even in a Honda Civic. I mostly drive a '21 Canyon. If we get to 4 I'll buy a van, probably the Sienna, it's the only one with a timing chain.

>>28699985
>IESLB

>>28688089
don't ever do this for a kid hauler. They're hard to climb in and out of unless you have captains chairs or bigger kids. You can't beat a minivan for ride comfort and loading/unloading. I have no idea what the new odysseys are like but I have an older one and it's been reliable. It's generally considered middle of the road for cost/reliability compared to all current minivans. Checkout VCM muzzler because they have gas saving, engine dooming cylinder management. Transmissions are solid and build for simple drain/fills pretty frequently. They hold up to a beating and will haul ass. The power steering on my is shit when the RPMs are low which is a big oversight for something that should be driven by 180lb women. It depends on what you want for luxuries but in general, with toyota you're paying more for the name and a probably not much more reliability these days. In all cases, lower trim levels have less shit that breaks and it's going to end up covered in sticky goo and crumbs anyway.

If you're 4+ kids, don't care about looks, and want big shit truck driving, checkout passenger vans like the e150/250/350 or chevy sprinter passenger vans. Used ones go for nothing comparatively and are usually old fleet vehicles which can be good or bad, but typically low miles.

>>28701352
I’ve gotten by cramming my kids in 3 across but it’s getting to the point where we need a third row. My oldest son is really crammed into the middle between his brothers in a diono car seat and a diono booster but is still too young to ride up front. When they fight it gets ugly back there.