Thread 28689694

Most reliable sports car of the millenium

>>28689694 (OP)
Proofs?

>>28689695
There's literally no common issues with the car, which is the advantage of using a proven engine and a 20 year old platform

>Nissan
>Reliable

>>28689699
the engine is still a di turbo nightmare but aside from that it's reliable because there's nothing that can break
>manual trans
>RWD
>no electronic suspension
>no valved exhaust
>no sunroof
>same collision sensors and headlight tech as a sentra probably

>>28689694 (OP)
Agreed

>>28689724
Any issues with the turbos? I know on the platform there were big issues in 2018 when they first used them in the redsport but things seemed to have gotten better since

>>28689699
The oldest ones have barely been on the road for 3 years. I'd be surprised if there are more than a few that have crossed the 50k mile mark at this point.

>>28689719
yes?

I haven't seen one in months. I have actually seen two different r35 gtrs since the last time I saw a new z

>>28689804
Thank stealerships

whats with the nigsan z shilling campaign lately?
theres not a single reason to get this unreliable pigfat abomination when the a110 gts exists

>>28690021
miss me with the tasteless murrayslop

>>28689724
I’ll stick with my port injected NA mustang gt :)

>>28690023
lol the z looks like a retarded aston martin vantage

>>28690027
gordon murray looks like my ballsack

The car ever.

>>28689724
Kek shoulda just got an E92 N54 335i already godsDAMN

>>28689805
>>28689804
I see them every day as a bunch of mexicans rent a house on my street and they have two (2) z400s. They both sound like shit, and one has a literal tarp draped over it a lot of the time

>>28689694 (OP)

>Modern Z slop
>sport car

choose one

>>28689750
Idk but they are literally tiny ass fiat 500 turbos

>>28689694 (OP)
C6 Corvette exists

>>28690131
Actually the turbos are from a Juke

Miata
Is
Always
The
Answer

>>28690157
https://youtu.be/36whvegFIqg [Open]
>This will not endear me to anyone that's owned or loved an mx-5 -- I just always judge sports cars on the way they drive, and I've always found the little mazda to be slow, imprecise, and unsatisfying
>I don't know what it is; I feel a bit ashamed in an mx-5
>a machine which drives with all the precision of a boneless limb
B O N E L E S S

>28690162
>muh eceleb
cool regurgitated opinion, care to come up with one yourself?

sure does. glad we cleared that up

>>28690154
the CHRA was the same as the Fiat. They also came in a couple mitsubishis from recent years. the turbine and compressor housings are no where near the same.

exactly, miatas are ugly slow n gay; we're in agreement

>>28690173
I'm sure you know who I am. I had a 19psi '06 STi for 6 years, got a flood-damaged NA8 for $2k right after getting the STi, rebuilt it, and preferred the miat. I took that STi to 175mph, I drag raced it like a mofo. But there's something about miatas, they do exactly what I tell them to, every time.
Also this is a reliability thread, just look at how simple that engine bay is for modern times, it's 40% intake, battery, fluids, and fuses.

>>28689694 (OP)
wrong

>>28690157
except when you're:
>over 6 feet tall
>have friends
>want more than 150 hp and a plastic roof
the answer is chally

>>28690188
At least my pentastar has a 6-speed.

>>28690188
I've had a 6'6" co-worker in my miata, you clearly don't have any friends with all the time you spend on this shithole and miatas have had 181hp since 2019.

I've been making 500 on my vr30 q50 for a year now. I abuse the shit out of it too. redline at least once per drive and over 100mph runs every drive. it's been great but it does have z1 turbos. the factory turbos had no issues on removal.

>>28690186
I know multiple people who have or had -- and enjoi -- miatas
bud light is the number one selling beer in murica. Just because people (the unwashed masses) like a certain thing, it doesn't make it GOOD
I'm not saying "no, you couldn't possiblt find miatas fun," or "no you can't like them"
I'm saying I don't see the appeal; they're ugly, slow, and gay
Like ok maybe if they were at least good looking I'd consider them
c8s are fast as FUCK but they're also UGLY as FUCK (and not to mention so fucking gay)
Don't really know where I'm going with this as i'm dead ahh sober so let me get some TKZ in the king stemline

>>28690203
Did your big boytoy suck you off for giving him a ride?

>>28690209
Figures the guy that posted him gripping nigger dick on /o/ has gay fantasies he can't keep to himself

>>28690218
Oh it's just the other queer, this time from California

>>28690207
I get that, it's fine. I'm just saying I've driven a lot of nice, fast cars and what I've liked the most was my shitty miata with 300k miles and a near-9-second 0-60. I loved that thing, it put a smile on my face and would drift any corner I wanted. I had a car that did low-4s, still preferred the miata.
At some point stunnin' randos in traffic and going fast as hell in a straight line became more boring to me than "powerslide every corner at 20mph and redline every gear."
On the topic, a lighter car will always be more-reliable than a heavier one with the same drivetrain.

>>28690207
>food/beverage analogy

>>28689719
It was in the 90's. Not so much anymore.

>>28690203
>>28690217
lmao imagine being this MAF
another w by SPEED-DENSITY GANG

>>28690194
sadly it also means you have to drive a jeep
enjoy your ducks, king

>>28690223
>At some point stunnin' randos in traffic and going fast as hell in a straight line became more boring to me than "powerslide every corner at 20mph and redline every gear."

>>28690226
>it just werks

>>28690240
thats why chally is the answer
even the v6 lights up both wheels and skids around like a retard in an ikea shopping cart when you throw a diff on it and flip the srt super track pack bit in the bcm

>>28690220
California numba 1
Flyoverlets numba 4

They missed an opportunity

>>28690247
https://files.catbox.moe/2q9rm7.mp4
Dope priest prophecy
Doom mantra from beneath the sea
Green throne, raised to the black sun
Doom child, wake to planet song

>>28690251
Dopethrone, in this land of sorcery

>>28690255
Fuck, that would've been cool.

>>28690239
>sadly it also means you have to drive a jeep
Yeah, it's a temporary thing.

>>28689724
>tablet for the instrument cluster
It's dead, Jim.

>>28690313
Just until you get an N54 335i
E92 or LCI E90 of course

>>28690353
nobody wants a ugly ass pignosed bhaarati motor weehicule

>>28690255
Hell yeah, brother

>>28690033
why does it look like it's in pain?

>>28689694 (OP)
It's a Nissan though. Which immediately associates you with those people

>>28689694 (OP)
lmfao okay Jamal. Multiple people have experienced sub 1000 mile turbo failures and this engine is prone to turbo failures.

>>28690851
It was a traumatizing day.

>>28690863
The main people I see driving a Nissan z are white people and Hispanics. Black people drive chargers and cadillacs.

>>28690971
I've seen two (2) nu-Zs, both were black guys. I live in a black city though.

>>28690971
Nissan altima's are the modern day ugly donkey. Just google Nissan drivers, and no, just because you drive a dollar store sports car doesn't mean you escape the nissan driver stigma

>>28690248
California numba 1 third world state. At least Mississippi can keep its power grid on.

>>28689699
It's not old enough by any stretch of the imagination to make that call.
>>28689719
This tho

>>28692242
ur ignoring that the car is essentially a 370z which is like 20 years old and uses the exact same engine as the q50 redsport which is ~10 years old

z car reliable lmao

>>28693011
the 350 and 370z were both reliable

>>28689694 (OP)
I wish we had this in Europe, but no, we gotta cope with 4 SUV models they're basically the same shit.

>>28693073
N-GODS… I kneel

>>28693054
Just import one

>>28693073
fuck off ainigger

>>28689754
c8 vettes are already destroying engines and transmissions

>>28690021
a110 doesn’t come in manual and isn’t sold in the USA.

>>28693083
>fuck off objective facts poster of brown color

>>28693075
400hp will cost more on insurance, gas, ownership taxes than anything else. Here in Italy anything above 200hp is branded luxury from the government and gets too pricey.

>>28693090
>retards who can't maintain their cars whining that they're unreliable
>objective facts
lel

>>28693087
Because people build them to 1000+ hp and run them ragged on track. The Z is a glorified commuter car.

>>28692973
You're objectively retarded if you think those N/A Z cars are the same as a TWIN TURBOD VERSION.

400z not old enough to make any claims of reliability at all
>inb4 heh but da gtr was tween terbo!
>My nigga that is an entirely different car and drive train

>>28693073
Zchuds BTFO
Nchads on the tippity top

>>28693238
If you can afford a <3 year old sports car, you should be able to afford gas and insurance

>>28693923
He's a Eurofag, please understand

>>28689694 (OP)
Now this is quality bait

>>28690868
What a fucking shithead in that supra lmao
He deliberately tried to make him smash into that slowfag GT300
average bmw driver amirite

>>28689699
>There's literally no common issues with the car,
It's brand new. You don't find out what the common issues are when the oldest one is 3 years old. You find out when there are tens of thousands of them and the newest is 5.

>>28690120
>z400s
>>28693514
>400z
I wish you fucking idiots would stop saying this shit. It doesn’t even make sense. In the history of the Z, outside of the name “Fairlady”, the number is always directly related to engine displacement. If you were going to be towards being accurate, it would be 300Z.

But it isn’t.

It’s just Z.

should I sell my wrx for a Z? it's a 2024 TR trim so I could get at least $30k for it

>>28694087
Yes always get rid of a Subaru

>>28694087
the nu wrx is complete trash, sell it before it depreciates any more

>>28694090
>>28694095
>no arguments for why the z is good
I think I'll keep my wrx

>>28694113
Be a fag idc lol

>>28689694 (OP)
>sports car
>open diff
Sorry but a Frontier is more of a "sports car" at that point.

>>28694113
the z is just obviously a better car. it's like comparing a ecoboost mustang to a gt

>>28694129
it has a LSD little bro

>>28694083
>240Z
>280ZX
>300ZX
>350Z
>400Z
You're a bigger retard than OP if you think the new Z is called anything other than a 400Z. Nobody will understand you if you say "I drive a Z" they will think of literally every other car than the one in OPs picrel. >Tell me you've never owned a Z car without telling on yourself.

>>28694761
>t. actual retard
https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/sports-cars/nissan-z.html

>>28694412
Getting an LSD is a $10k upgrade.
Eventually the thing will be to get the base and swap a diff from higher trims, maybe.

>>28694761
What about the newest Z makes it a 400? Not its displacement. The 350Z and 370Z didn't make 350 and 370hp.

>>28694967
They also weren't exactly 3.50 or 3.70 liter engines, either.
Anyway, it's in popular usage even if the company itself didn't give it that name. Kinda like how the Viper truck is "actually" the Dodge Ram Srt-10

>>28694985
VQ35DE
displacement 3,498 cc
BORE & STROKE 95.5 mm × 81.4 mm
compression ratio 10.0:1, 10.3:1, or 10.6:1
produces PS 231 ~ 304 @ ????rpm
produces torque (kgf⋅m) 34.05 ~ 37.83 @ ????rpm
produces torque (N⋅m) 334 ~ 371 @ ????rpm
VQ37VHR
displacement 3,696 cc
redline 7,500 rpm
BORE & STROKE 95.5 mm × 86 mm
compression ratio 11.0:1
produces PS 337 @ 7,000 rpm
produces torque (kgf⋅m) 37.32 @ 5,200 rpm
produces torque (N⋅m) 366 @ 5,200 rpm
produces torque (lb-ft) 269.94 @ 5,200 rpm


>UHH ACKSHUALLY THEY WERE 3,498CC AND 3,696CC

>>28694985
Only one with a brain in this autism thread.

>>28694761
>You're a bigger retard than OP if you think the new Z is called anything other than a 400Z
I guess Nissan themselves are less intelligent than you huh, random retard of /o/

>>28694985
>Kinda like how the Viper truck is "actually" the Dodge Ram Srt-10
Only retards call those “Viper truck”

>>28694962
I don't know if the RZ34 still has a vLSD, but if it does, it would be better to just get an aftermarket clutch/gear unit, instead of retrofitting the OEM one that turns into an open diff after 80k miles anyway.

>>28695497
sport is open diff
performance has a 1.5 way clutch lsd

>>28694962
I really hope that after a couple of years, they'll release a new base model that has a NA engine and factory proper LSD

Of course, at a much more competitive price than current

>>28695700
Yeah, I'd like that too. A lot.
Esp if they went with a Torsen that doesn't need rebuilds. I think the high-trim Z's current one is a clutch pack type.
Meanwhile the nu-86 has a Torsen standard on all versions.

>>28695706
I love that Nissan gave us a huge turbo engine, but desu the appeal of the 350 & 370 was their simplicity and reliability. We all know that the 300zx didn't do too well due to the packaging of the engine bay - and all that additional hardware must be relatively expensive

Why do you rate the torsen so highly? I'm not familiar with it

>>28695700
>I hope they release a cheaper model with better equipment
this will never happen lol
companies don't like making base models because the profit margins are low and people don't buy them
just buy a GR86 before toyota and subaru stop making them

>>28695764
>Why do you rate the torsen so highly? I'm not familiar with it
I had one in my NA miata and it would drift the moment you started thinking about oversteer and it would hold a slide forever, you could drift endless 50 meter rings. 300k miles and it was strong and smooth as ever where clutch type lsds start getting choppy and need rebuilt when driven hard often (but are good at what they do).
I haven't driven any of the other types.

>>28696252
Your paraphrasing is slightly off - yes the diff is higher equipment, but the engine heavily outweighs that.

Theres a good chance that Nissan will do something like this in a few years - basically, everyone who wanted a fancy new twin turbo 400z will have bought one, and the market will be dried up. Therefore, Nissan releasing a cheaper z with na engine to scoop up remaining buyers won't be cannibalising any sales. Fingers crossed.

Similarly, I hope that the 86 gets a factory turbo or supercharger soon. I did consider an 86 but it just seemed a little flimsy for what I'd want from the car. Don't get me wrong, I love that it's available (and used to be cheap) just not something that I'd pick over a 370z

>>28696293
Nice, bro. It's criminal that Nissan don't provide this standard... Do they only do it to prevent 60iq niggers and women from creating mustang style videos because they can't handle it?

That said, even in my evo from 2003 they put a clutch restrictor pill in the slave cylinder as a nanny against people that can't operate a clutch with mechanical sympathy

>>28696662
>Your paraphrasing is slightly off - yes the diff is higher equipment, but the engine heavily outweighs that.
that's exactly the point though, if they made a cheaper trim with a n/a engine it wouldn't get the performance bits because most people that want an lsd and good brakes also want the powerful engine
for example, the mustang ecoboost performance pack was discontinued because it sold terribly, then the manual ecoboost itself was discontinued despite the GT being more expensive than ever (and thus the ecoboost being more appealing)
just because a car is good for enthusiasts on paper doesn't mean it will sell

>>28696878
This. Most used sports cars have become super reliable for decades now, so any manufacturer who wants to actually sell any new sports cars has to fill a particular niche that isn't currently being filled by a similar used car that was produced within the past decade (or at the very least can't be filled without doing $10k+ in mods).

>>28696878
I don't think that the mustang is a good example - mustangs are renowned for being a v8, and people rightfully get ribbed for having the "baby" mustang.

Similar thing in Australia - the straight 6 turbo Ford engine when tuned was more powerful, but the market mostly wanted a v8

But like I said - anyone that wants a twin turbo Z will buy one NOW.
At the end of the model cycle, Nissan can scoop up the last of the potential buyers with the new version.. It's very common to put out a "special edition" with a few freebies to finish out the final sales of an ageing model

It's the same reason that a Nismo version doesn't come out immediately - they want people to buy the first release, then perhaps trade in or buy new again when the Nismo comes out

Similarly, have you noticed that sports cars like the Supra and Z release as automatic only first - to suck in the early adopters, and then get them again a couple of years later when the manual comes out.

It's all about avoiding cannibalising your own sales of high margin vehicles