Thread 28691003

>affordable, entry level sports cars are disappearing and are being replaced with EV economy cars
>almost every single new high-performance car now is made for the wealthy upper class
>race tracks for regular enthusiasts are shutting down left and right and more and more private race tracks are popping up to cater exclusively to the wealthy upper class
you see what's happening, don't you?

>>28691003 (OP)
There are a whole bunch of affordable kit cars. A $40k F-150 with a supercharger has more real world performance than 98% of the cars on the road. How often do you go to the track? Never? And you wonder why they're shutting down? lrn 2 economics.

>>28691005
>$40k
how much money do you think teenage car enthusiasts have?
read about young people who got into cars at any point in the past prior to the 2010s and their first car that they worked on themselves is almost always <$10,000

>>28691072
i'm not sure if you can read this but 10,998 is a larger number than <10,000

You can always join the small engine club. Scooter, minibikes, groms, etc. Pick your poison.

>>28691005
>>28691072
Stop pushing american slop

>>28691085
do 30 seconds of research before bitching next time

>>28691092
mhm

>>28691089
>>28691094
>>28691104
these cars are fucking god awful compared to the stuff you could have bought for an equivalent price 20 years ago
would you rather buy a 2005 V6 mustang with 100,000 miles or an R33 GTR with 50,000 miles?
thank you for absolutely proving my point that the car market is abysmal

>>28691107
No shit $10k would go farther 20 years ago.
Any other genius insights for us, anon?

>you see what's happening, don't you?
Yeah your wages at Taco Bell aren't keeping up with inflation and you're realizing that motorsport is not a poorfag hobby

>>28691126
This
Our little hobby is pay to play, sorry poorfags

>>28691063
>how much money do you think teenage car enthusiasts have?
You should have a lot if you live with your parents and have a job... I had friends in high school with new carts but they had to work their ass off for it.

>>28691092
"American slop" gives you the best bang for the buck. If you like overpriced Euro bullshit stop bitching about it being too expensive.

Type R civics are about 50k but you'd just scream "muh FWD".

>>28691136
>turboslop that overheats on the first lap around the 'ring

>>28691147
You're not going on the 'ring.

>>28691150
It's the only point of comparison worth talking about. Surely you're not going to bring up 0-60 times with a FWD cuckbox?

>>28691154
You want a cheap, entry level sport car? There is it. Take it or leave it. You should have went to college.

>>28691003 (OP)
Why are you poor?

>>28691003 (OP)
>almost every single new high-performance car
Even many modern crossovers are faster than many "performance" cars from the 80's, bro. A E30 had a 0-60 of 6.7 seconds. A GR86 has a 0-60 of 6.0 seconds.

>>28691235
E30 M3*

>>28691235
I wonder how that would change with modern tires, especially pre-2000s supercars. It's easy to say "my Tesla is faster than a Lambo" but how many of those comparisons still hold up when you put modern rubber on the supercar?

>>28691243
For supercars specifically that made actual power and were RWD, their times should have decent improvement. For example, the Lamborghini Countach LP5000 Quattrovalvole had 420hp/455hp. Even with the massive 345 width tires it had in the rear, it probably was still traction limited for its launch.

For something like the E30 M3, not much. It only had ~210 hp. Same with most other performance cars.

>>28691003 (OP)
>you see what's happening, don't you?
Those with means have less and less reason to engage with an increasingly disorderly public.

>>28691003 (OP)
Sports cars have always been expensive new

The problem is that due to inflation, our buying power is so low that less people can buy new, and even 2nd hand options are expensive

Secondly, due to mass immigration there is much more competition for a shrinking pool of QUALITY cars that were designed to be robust and easy to maintain, both mechanically and electronically

>>28691300
>The problem is that due to inflation, our buying power is so low
Not really. The actual reality is cars are the same price or cheaper nowadays. Same with food etc. What has gone up is housing costs, so there is less disposable income to waste on cars.

>>28691003 (OP)
America is becoming European? The MLS is practically a major sports league by now.

>>28691243
porsche ran their carrera GT on the nurburgring recently and it was 20 seconds faster than the lap it set 20 years ago in 2005, so tyres account for about 1 sec/year on that track

>>28691005
>A $40k F-150 with a supercharger has more real world performance than 98% of the cars on the road
If you're just mashing the throttle in a straight line like a nigger, maybe.

>>28691003 (OP)
Imagine buying an ice mustang. Wouldn't be me.

>>28691311
Hey br/o/, I just commented this in another thread where someone posted an inflation calculator comparing 2004 wrx vs 2025 wrx

My point want that very few people had their incomes go up in line with inflation, and absolutely no one had their expenses go up WITHIN the "official" CPI rate...

The reality is that a $20k car in 2004 was way more affordable to the average American than a 40k car in 2025.

As you mentioned, housing for one absolutely demolishes discretionary spending, and I believe was taken out of the CPI calculation at some point

Also, in 2004 you didn't have to compete with half of the third world for your jobs, houses, cars, and lebensraum. Literally everything is worse

>>28691828
Correct. Most people want a rwd car to get tail happy with and feel visceral, without breaking the bank. Americans are lucky to have mustangs/chargers, but the world wants something between a miata and a mustang at a heavily reduced cost

>>28691003 (OP)
>private race tracks are popping up to cater exclusively to the wealthy upper class
That's a good thing.
I hate being on track with retards.
Making a track cost $10,000 a year membership filters the retards.
Way too many brown ppl crashing out and ruining my track day.

High Membership fees Makes a track 99.99% white and Asian with the occasional washed black guy.