Thread 28699035

>>28699035 (OP)
Their target demographics are lesbians and beanboys and no one wants to be associated with them.

The TY85 should have been standard on every manual Subaru

Their fun models were some of the highest-polluting cars. Their real AWD gives most of them shit gas mileage.
Emissions and mileage standards became more strict (EU and US CAFE to some extent).
They are a small company compared to others and don't have the resources to completely redesign / retool everything other than "make engines smaller, CVTs, throw more cats at it, kill STi."
I'm sure they would gladly make more-fun cars if they could legally sell them in the big markets.

>>28699035 (OP)
Subaru owners are the opposite of Nissan owners (outside of WRX/BRZ models). Some of the most docile and timid drivers on the road which in many ways is worse than the Altima freak blasting down the highway at 9pm with no working headlights. At least they clear out fast while the Forrester comes to a complete stop on a busy road to make a right turn onto an empty street with no stop signs or signals.

>>28699035 (OP)
they made 1 good car then made it worse every single generation without fail.

>>28699319
But the SVX was only one model and it was only an auto-tragic

>>28699321
>muh quirky windows make it gud
Smoothbrain take.

>>28699327
I just like the EG33

>>28699035 (OP)
They stopped making the 3.6

>>28699035 (OP)
Toyota bought a stake in them

>>28699058
This plus the fact that their main demographic outside of the fun cars are middle aged safety conscious suburbanites that would've otherwise bought like a RAV4 or CRV but wanted something more "rugged", despite the fact an FWD crossover would've been fine for driving in snow if they had snow tires or down a gravel road a few times a year.

CVT

>>28699531
H6 was significantly worse than H4

>>28699569
This is a good answer, fuck Toyota

>>28699572
You are retarded, none of those fwd biased shitboxes with their fake awd can compare to the superiority of Fuji Heavy Industries

>>28699937
Normally I would agree with this but the Subaru design is far superior to all others I have seen. Very strong design.

Picrel how all you subaru haters sound rn

>>28699058
Gay faggot
>>28699045
Made up stereotype, literally have never met a single gay subaru driver in my life
>>28699059
Real, exaggerated but real
>>28699319
They made 2 good cars that got better with every generation (until 2020)

>>28700026
>I heard you like gauges

>>28700026
>reverse confirmation bias

>>28700028
Very chingon

>>28700026
Geez anon, your mum lets you have two tachos?

>>28699035 (OP)
Victim of their own "rugged outdoorsy" image appealing to retards that think service intervals are just a money-making scheme.

>>28699035 (OP)
Ditching regular wagon

>>28700022
>Subaru design is far superior to all others I have seen. Very strong design.
Irrelevant, the transmission isn't as enjoyable as a torque converter, and had a jerky off the line response. Durability isn't the only weakness of a CVT

The Outback is the best all around car anyone could buy.

It's comfortable on the highway. Good enough off road that you aren't going to get stuck unless you are actively going out of your way to find something it can't do. Plenty of room. Safer than every other car on unsafe road conditions.

I have no problem towing my boat with my outback. Full time AWD means i'll always have good traction on the boat ramp. Meanwhile I see guys in truck sliding down boat ramps because they forgot to engage 4wd and half the ramp is covered in slick algae.

>>28700067
jewbarus are only rugged and outsoorsy to effete san franciscan types

>>28700111
>blocke is you are pathe
>teleport is behind you to hit you with the Angel Eyes highbeamAaa
>GAPS and GAPES you, hitting you with the RockSpray™
Heh, nothin' personal, kid

>>28700026
>They made 2 good cars that got better with every generation (until 2020)
The gc8 is literally the best impreza by every measurable metric.

>>28699035 (OP)
The forester and outback outselling everything

>>28700131
The GD's chassis is so much stiffer that it makes the GC look like wet cardboard. It takes so much work (seam welding, roll cage, bolt on bracing, etc) to make a GC merely match the GD that there's no reason to use one as an actual race car unless you absolutely HAVE to have a 2 door.

>>28700026
nigga youre not a fucking airplane pilot get rid of half those guages i guarantee theyre useless

>>28700026
you're a dyke

>>28700186
>i guarantee theyre useless
How would you know though aren't you a led temu wrenchlet?

>>28700166
And in exchange you gained 500lbs and 0 hp.

>>28700189
>>28700191
>>28700194
This is funny because actual gays hate this shit and go out of their way to buy non-subaru cars. Every gay I've met owned a Kia or a Mazda. One had an old Ford (as well as a Mazda) so who knows.
>>28700120
>>28700127
You niggas

I got an Outback as a rental on a work trip recently. The guy at the counter didn't even tell me what I was getting, I noticed when I look at the keys. It was a week of lesbian jokes.

>>28700191
Would the brz be better if it had the AWD?

>>28700221
Why do retards in Subaru threads always wildly exaggerate their numbers to make their point look better? JDM GC to GD WRX, it's 154 pounds. USDM weight comparisons are more difficult to remain fair, as we were denied any turbo GCs, so our naturally aspirated GC weight numbers are artificially lower vs the turbo GDs we did get. USDM Subarus of that vintage also got more reinforcements in the chassis than JDM ones (pic related, the red chunk is USDM) so being fair in that direction is also harder. There isn't a USDM turbo GC to compare weights to, but if you compare a USDM GC 2.5RS to a USDM GD 2.5RS it's also only 195 pounds of difference. The JDM GD WRX also gained 32 hp over a late GC WRX (or for an even wider gap, the USDM GD WRX gained 62 hp over the most powerful USDM GC). Quit your bullshit.

They have the no-how. They just won't release it.

>>28700258
Your made up video game stats don't equate to real world performance. Quit playing Gran Turismo kid, it's bad for your brain.

>>28700268
I did not source any numbers from any video games. Try again sweaty.

>>28700269
Ok kid, I'll spell it out for you since you're having a hard time comprehending my words. I'm telling you that those numbers you listed are pointless. The handling characteristics of both vehicles is vastly different and the GC is by far a superior vehicle.

>>28700283
>just take my wild exaggeration as gospel bro
>nooooooo don't prove me mathematically wrong that makes me look bad!!!!

>>28700258
>Why do retards in Subaru threads always wildly exaggerate their numbers to make their point look better?
gcs weigh 2750lbs
GDs weight 3250lbs
that's 500lbs
go back to 1st grade.

>>28700294
You might actually be autistic, like not even as an insult, just you might have autism.

>>28700314
Try reading the rest of my post
>>28700335
>ad hominem
I accept your concession.

>>28700336
Anon you kinda got raped
>>28700322
Lmao

>>28700322
KEK

>>28700339
Maybe if you ignore every word of my prior post, retard samefag

>>28700359
>>28700336
>noooo im heckin righterino on this one technicality

>>28700375
Yes, that is what happens when you don't cherrypick unfair comparisons. Also
>using the wojak I drew like 6 years ago against me
Lmao

>>28700263
Is this one an actual FA, didn't they make a VB chassis race car but they put an EJ in it

>>28700283
>The handling characteristics of both vehicles is vastly different and the GC is by far a superior vehicle.
3rd gen (GE, GH, GR, GV) got wishbones in the back.
I've had a GD and a GH, GH handled better. GC is several hundred pounds lighter so it probably wins anyway.

>>28699035 (OP)
Their cars haven't changed in like a decade. Everything on them feels super dated. Shit fuel economy because muh AWD.

>>28700390
You are quite literally cherrypicking. While we are on the topic of making shit up, check out this epic meme you also made, I am sure.

>>28700457
>cherrypicking
>comparing the two most comparable versions of each generation (same trim level, body style, engine, not 10 years apart, etc)
"no". No shit if you take an utter base model JDM 1993 Impreza 1.8L FWD with 13" wheels, crank windows, manual locks, no ABS, etc it's going to be a shit ton lighter than a USDM GD STi with power everything, AWD, big brakes, all the turbo hardware, ABS, and 10 years of structural and safety improvements. If you have to make a lopsided comparison to make your argument look cogent, your point is moot.

>>28700457
And no I did not make whatever the fuck that meme is.

>>28700359
I showed you the weight of my actual sti sedan, weighed at the port, at 1750kg.
>>28700390
>unfair comparisons
yeah, comparing an sti sedan to an sti sedan, the audacity.
>>28700473
>utter base model JDM 1993 Impreza 1.8L FWD with 13" wheels, crank windows, manual locks, no AB
nigger are you braindead? Can you read?

>>28700493
>i-i-its a b-base model!
like holy fucking cope lmfao
it's not a secret that the gc is light compared to every future gen.

>>28699035 (OP)
As far as I can tell - everything. From the head gaskets, to the CVT junk, to the wheel bearings that take a shit at 50K miles, to the noise from lack of insulation.

>>28700493
There's your problem, your 03 is the tarted up "luxury" version.

The STi DCCD six speed is pig fat, if you want to go really fast you put a 4.44 5 speed in there with RA gears

They needed to do something worthwhile with their H6 instead of giving up on it.

>>28700540
okay, then go ahead and use the stripped down type ra gc8 to compare that weigh in at ~2600lbs. Like what kind of retarded fucking shit is this?
>bro my homologation version barebones stripped down car is lighter than the base sti!!
no shit
to quote a retard,
>>28700473
> If you have to make a lopsided comparison to make your argument look cogent, your point is moot.

it's a 400-500lb increase no matter how you look at it. All that weight added while making the same power.
>but the gc8 was rated at 280ps!!!
as was the gtr, rx7, supra, evo, etc. I don't know if you're actually dumb enough to make this argument, but stock for stock both 1st and 2nd gen stis dyno at ~260hp. because they both use basically the same ej20.

>>28700586
not my fault you got the wrong one

>>28700598
see
>it's a 400-500lb increase no matter how you look at it. All that weight added while making the same power.
even comparing the heaviest gc to the lightest gd, the gc is lighter.
kill yourself.

>>28700606
literally where did I say any GD was lighter

>>28699045
only an America problem

>>28700608
you've been arguing with people for hours that it was barely heavier. 400+ pounds is significant, especially when every generation makes roughly the same power.

>>28700823
see
>>28700258

>>28700839
except they were proven not to be exaggerated numbers.

>>28700851
prove MY numbers wrong

>>28700858
anon you got ass raped like 7 hours ago. >>28700322

>>28699035 (OP)
>What went wrong?

Nothing its one of the best makes around now. Their media center touch screens suck; but aside from that they've been less borked by stupid new tech and bloat than most other makes.

>>28700823
>especially when every generation makes roughly the same power.
'06 was the fastest STi...

>>28700900
what the fuck are you talking about? there wasn't some magically hp bump in 06. it's a car that's remained consistently at ~300hp at the crank for its entire life, or ~240whp. it got a 6th gear for the 2nd gen and on which helped offset the significant weight increase a little, but that's about it.

>>28700931
>what the fuck are you talking about?
It was the fastest one. IDK what they did, but it posted the best numbers.

>>28700932
GCs and GDs all did mid-high 4s to 60. this wasn't something new in 2006.

>>28700880
not the same cars I mentioned

06 STI TY85 had shorter ratios which is probably why it was faster, and also why everyone wants the 07 TY85

>>28701017
Are you saying I should find an 07 ty85 and put it in a gc8?

>>28699035 (OP)
Refusal to move away from a doomed platform after it stopped being advantageous

>>28703510
Boxers are always advantageous

>subaru thread
>buncha dumb shit
smdh

>>28699035 (OP)
The new STI looks sick I want one.

Love subies they could be competing with the M2 and audis if they didn't kill sti hope it comes back now got this thing 2 weeks ago it's sweet.

>>28699035 (OP)
>use boxer engine
>the headgaskets are having issues blowing up, so underpower the engines to make it less of an issue
>use CVT
>they blow up, so underpower the whole system so it's less of an issue

And that's how they became Slowbaru. They need to ditch the oil burning boxer meme and just use inline cylinders and no fucking CVT.

>>28705648
>the headgaskets are having issues blowing up
Hi stupid person, this is not an issue for a vast majority of their cars

>>28705651
Yes because they're underpowered now. That's how they solved it.

>>28705655
This is an argument that does not hold up to scrutiny.

>>28705665
Their new models are hilariously slow, can't even take them seriously because you struggle to get up to highway speed even on a long onramp. They're so slow it's unsafe.

>>28705655
It wasn't a problem on basically anything but the NA ej25 from the mid 90s to early 2000s.

>>28705671
Head gaskets were fixed 15 years ago. What is happening with their most recent models is irrelevant to the head gasket situation.

>>28705678
Head gaskets also were never a problem on their turbo engines.

>>28700120
Funny you say jewbarus, because a few years back i noticed subarus only exist in jewish enclaves in my city. Was even wondering if they were made in israel or something.

>>28705756
Move to anywhere with mountains and snowfall and you'll see a Subaru in every other parking spot.

>>28705766
We have plenty of snowfall here but no mountains

from this

to this

>>28706867
Even the outback is now generic SUV trash. WRZ never looked worst, no sedan regular impreza anymore. Brz has a decent style going at least but still a very underwhelming car. Ascent is trash. Crosstrek is generic cuckover. It's never been worst for Subaru

>>28706890
>It's never been worst for the entire automotive industry
Ftfy

>>28699035 (OP)
queer piston orientation
not acceptable in a world of straight engines.

>>28707219
>world of straight engines
lol retard those tranny V engines are nothing compared to a proper SR20 or RB26.

>>28699035 (OP)
Instead of copying Alfa's boxer engines, made out of a cast block that can actually take punishment, they instead went with Volkswagen's god-awful half-&-half design and decided to give the things turbos that make the engines toss a rod as soon as someone fiddles with the boost.

And people wonder why Subaru's shitting engines on a weekly basis is such a huge meme

>>28700375
Thank you Anon, I love this

>>28700375
Nice 710 cap.

>>28699035 (OP)
Nothing. They've achieved exactly what they've set to achieve. Which is to make an automobile for people need and automobile, but don't want an automobile.

This is why their main demographic is old white people. People who would rather stay home, but they have to go out to get groceries. so they need a car. Any young person you see on a Subaru is the result of old white folks co-signing a loan, so they went to meemah and poppop's dealership, or they got passed down to their grandkids after they bite the bucket.

Only exception is the WRX stuff, which is bought exclusively by flat bill baseball cap deuchebags who get it more for posing than for driving.

>>28699035 (OP)
They took away the STI and made the wrx cost like 50k for some reason