Thread 28699588

Looking into LEDs for my offroad farm truck, and these GTR ultra 2/3s, Morimotos (same company), and Diode Dynamics are like $250 for a twin pack.

At least the GTRs are brighter than stock, but DDs are the same lux as stock so I dont get the upsell.

>>28699588 (OP)
Sounds like you're just retarded

>>28699588 (OP)
You don't need super high end bubs for a farm truck. I just paid like $50 for a set of 4 LED headlight bulbs. Their brightness and light quality is pretty good but it's too early to tell what their longevity will be like. even if they only last a year it's still almost more economical than the expensive bulbs.

>>28699592
He is retarded, because putting an LED bulb into a housing that wasn't designed for it is just going to result in him not being able to see fuck-all because the beam pattern is fucked.

>>28699601
>it is just going to result in other people not being able to see fuck-all because the beam pattern is fucked.
FTFY. not my problem lol

>>28699588 (OP)
interesting. I put diode dynamics in my buddys car and they look the same as stock. got em on sale but it was a complete waste of two hundred quid.

>>28699588 (OP)
>Diode Dynamics are like $250 for a twin pack.

lmao I bought some amazon chink LED bulbs for $20. They work better than my HIDs.

>>28699601
>not being able to see fuck-all because the beam pattern is fucked.

this isn't a problem if you have projectors

>>28699588 (OP)
morimoto 2 strokes are good, nice and bright

>>28699650
No, it results in poorer lighting for the driver too. Headlights are more like spotlights than flood lights because you need to see out in the distance and what you get with the light kernel being in the wrong location is a floodlight which is terrible for driving.

>>28700066
Are you fucking braindead? Current generation LEDs essentially replicate the filament shape of a halogen. They work perfectly in projector or reflector housings. The only think you need to do is sometimes adjust the rotation of the emitter array (they come with a nut you can loosen and spin it around) and then of course adjust the vertical and horizontal orientation of the assembly using the vehicle's adjustment screws.

>>28700098
>Current generation LEDs essentially replicate the filament shape of a halogen

Absolutely not. Just look at how large the emitter area is in OP's pic. It's just impossible for them to work the same as incandescent despite what your Chinese propaganda would have us believe.

>>28699601
This isnt 2001 boomer. We're not jamming random shit from radio shack into our cars anymore.
There are replacement LEDs designed for reflector housings.

>>28700137
You are a fucking retard.

>>28700142
>You are a fucking retard.
keep on projecting you retarded bus rider

>>28700142
And since reading clearly isnt a strong skill of yours, let me dumb down that infographic even further so that you can comprehend it too. None of these products, from anyone, output a beam pattern even roughly comparable to a halogen bulb and are all banned as a result

>>28700168
Thats not what it says, retard

>>28700137
>t. 0 IQ boomer
nta, but LED arrays are so thin they replicate the shape of halogen filaments now, like 1.5mm wide

>>28700168
>because no tithe was paid to boomer NHTSA, therefore product bad
hey, calcified neurons boomer, the CDC and FDA said mRNA shots are safe and effective. regulators are always correct! DDT and leaded gas and asbestos pads are also safe!

>>28699598
>You don't need super high end bubs for a farm truck.
Pretty much. I got tired of swapping headlight bulbs or starting up my car to find one burned out instantly after switching them on.

I think the Chinesium pair I got on Amazon was $30. It's definitely less bright than a conventional halogen, but the perceived brightness is much higher. Since I'm not replacing a bulb every year, I consider that a win. It's already paid for itself by this point.

>>28700195
May we see them?

>>28700168
>None of these products, from anyone, output a beam pattern even roughly comparable to a halogen bulb and are all banned as a result

lol my shitty LED bulbs are brighter than my HIDs

There are multiple youtube tests that show even shitty LED bulbs can have good output

>>28700284
morimotos are 1.45mm thick. filament is 1.4mm thick. oh the horror it's off by 5 hundredths of a mm

faggot

>>28700297
again you retard, the argument has nothing to do with output. its that your poorfag reflectors/projectors in your 20 year old economybox arent compatible with the beam pattern. my nonpoorfag car came with factory LEDs, and they cost $1300+ per side to replace. but keep on larping that your 1990s era police interceptor with LEDs is in any way comparable.

>>28700614
how retarded are you that you think halogen bulb fillament is measured in millimeters and not thousands of an inch. i swear to god this board is full of the poorest of the poors

>>28700846
>the argument has nothing to do with output.
Yes it does. The point is putting LEDs into halogen headlights gives better lighting than the halogens do. Which is true. You're just an asshurt faggot.

For a work vehigle leds are gret, i put some in the atv and its great, very wide and even beams

For on road use tho? Forget it, standard is standard for a reason. Perhaps in aux lighting but no way in standard reflectors

I only buy Auxito and Sealite. They've treated me well.

I really want to get a pair of these things for my halogen cucked 2019 car but I'm CERTAIN whichever one I choose will cause some catastrophic electrical system failure in my car.

>>28699601
The point of having the diodes placed where they are in OPs pic is to mimic the filament of a traditional bulb.

>>28701321
They won't cause any catastrophic failures but running aftermarket bulbs in a canbus cucked vehicle can cause lots of little issues like error messages, bleeding lights, flickering, hyperflashing, etc.

OP why would you not just get a roof mounted light bar if this is indeed a "farm truck", that way you dont need to fuckabout with anything and can still run the truck on the road if need be.
>bulbs always be burnin out
If that is because of what I think it's from you'll be disappointed with LEDs unless you manage to effectively actively cool them.
Headlight housings get hot with standard/halogen bulbs when there's no airflow. Can go up 100 degrees waiting 2 minutes for a train.
LEDs dont produce as much heat, but they are very small chips (diodes but bear with me) and being chips are sensitive to their own heat.

You'll find some cheapass XINGFONGWU XTUDHDDKK brand amazon specials really wont like sitting in a parked truck blazing away, and that the high tier brands expensive units are worth the price.

>>28701366
>LEDs dont produce as much heat, but they are very small chips (diodes but bear with me) and being chips are sensitive to their own heat.
Some of those expensive LED headlight assemblies in new cars have quite a bit of cooling built into them. Even little computer fans, presumably industrial-spec ones that can handle adverse conditions. LEDs hate heat.
A single bulb with poor heatsinking, a reflector around it to trap heat and the power electronics crammed in there somewhere too, is just about the worst possible packaging for an LED lamp.

Sealite and other low price LED, reflector housing compat bulbs are known to die in a year or less.
Also the most sold LED replacement bulbs are pure fucking junk.
Reviews are worthless, ratings dont mean anything. If it says 4.6 on amazon take that as a 60% out of 100 - a D grade when you want B+ minimum.
The only real choices for a quality LED are too bright for legal road use, too high K color to be legal, or the only other option being the yellow Mishimoto 2stroke.
There's a reason even those high price name brands tell you they arent road legal.

Dont put LEDs in a halogen/reflector headlight.
Just don't do it.
And THEN, when you dig into the info about high output halogens, you're paying an extreme premium for a bulb that will only last 1-1.5 years.

It just isn't worth it.

>>28699588 (OP)
alibaba solves this

Holy shit.
>fuddlore, the thread.

>>28700139
And that's exactly why they cost so much. To function with reflector housings correctly, you need LEDs to be small and on a very thin substrate to simulate the point light that halogens have, and small and thin, even at LED power consumption levels, means nuclear levels of heat that has to be dissipated quickly. A lot of cars also have detection for burnt out bulbs, except LEDs trigger them too because they are so efficient.

>>28700846
>its that your poorfag reflectors/projectors in your 20 year old economybox arent compatible with the beam pattern.

projectors are, retard

as I said this is literally proven with light output and throw scales

>>28701712
Welcome to 2025 gramps.

>>28701712
>you need LEDs to be small and on a very thin substrate to simulate the point light that halogens have, and small and thin, even at LED power consumption levels, means nuclear levels of heat


lol all this to describe merely rotating an led to it catches the reflector on point

nuclear levels of heat? you ever hear of HIDs?

you people don't know what you're talking about lol

>>28701760
Holy fuck you're dumb
>>28701754
>cheapshit chinaspam amazon specials
Good luck with that.

>>28700846
> its that your poorfag reflectors/projectors in your 20 year old economybox arent compatible with the beam pattern.

They are at least for the EU and the EU loves to regulate even the slightest fart.

>>28701927
To the extent of the reading I've done on it, there was ONE maker who went through the trouble of road-certing LED replacements in reflector housings, and it was only for a limited set of makes and models, and only in a limited set of eastern euro countries.
And they gave up on it after a couple years.

>>28699588 (OP)
If you're dumb enough to put LEDs in halogen housings then you deserve to pay that much.

>>28701916
>Holy fuck you're dumb

I've literally tested them with calibration, dumbfuck

what have you done other than making it clear you dont understand what you're talking about?

>>28701941
You can buy them from Philips or Osram and they have ones compliant with a giant list of cars for the entirety of europe. German version of Osram's compatibility list is 75 fucking pages long. Contains cars, bikes and trucks. Philips is a bit shorter, just 48 pages. No direct match, my car only gets the Osram one legally.

>>28701995
Bro you people are a fucking joke.

>>28702001
https://www.osram.de/am/night-breaker-led/night-breaker-led-ledcheck.jsp?mkt=/ledcheck/
go ahead, check it out for yourself
Even the germans get to have legal options.

>>28702095
Dumb.
Ass.

>>28702213
so check if your car is in the list and if yes it's legal to use
not that hard
comes in H4 and H7
There's even a fully ECE-compliant H11
If your car is H9 or HB4 you're shit out of luck though

>>28701712
>nuclear levels of heat
fucking kill yourself you subhuman baboon pavment ape

halogens get up to around 700 C. LEDs are under 100 C. the substrate can approach 120 C, which is where the silicon can have issues, hence the cooling, but it's not anywhere near lava temps of the lights you already have in your vehicle.

god I fucking hate boomers like you who don't understand anything about technology. you can grab an LED housing and it will be cool on the back plastic, just the chip/board itself will be a bit hot for a minute. but glhf grabbing a halogen, you're sear your fucking fingers.

>>28701981
leds are perfect drop-in replacements if you buy legit, high quality ones and not some BLUXXIYZ amazon chink alphabet soup brand.
>inb4 they come from the same factory

>>28702095
You see the ECE R37 and the x on it. And the roadway and the x on it.
No LED bulb is certification passed for legal use, anywhere, in a vehicle which does not by factory design come with LEDs.

>buy at your own risk
Is what every manufacturer says on every LED bulb.
The Americans have to say
>for off road use only

>>28702746
lick those boots, cuck

>>28702303
the chad halogen bulb withstanding 700°C vs the virgin led with its foundation succumbing to 120°c

>>28701916
>cheapshit chinaspam
Walk around your house and post pics of "made in" labels.
I fucking dare you.

>>28702746
You're gonna have to buy from one of the manufacturers who got them certified of course, and for a car that they're homologated for. Just like rims or other tuning parts in europe.
You might be getting cucked by your countries politicians too. Even harder so than the germans by TÜV it would seem.
Alas, the statement that there's only a handful of homologations for eastern european countries that's no longer extending has been disproven.
The H11 LED for retrofit is even fully ECE compliant for every single headlight that will take H11-bulbs. The H4 and H7 are approved for retrofit in hundreds of cars.

>>28702746
>No LED bulb is certification passed for legal use

GULP MY LIGHT BULB ISNT LEGAL

it looks legal, throws light within the legal limit and literally no one will ever know

I want to curbstomp every single LED retrofit user in existence

>>28703151
make tint legal

>>28703237
tinted windows are brown coded and I hate brownoids

>>28703261
do you like your interior getting faded and hot in the summer? or being in a fishbowl in the evenings?

>>28703077
>it looks legal
it doesn't

>throws light within the legal limit
it doesnt you retard, thats why it is illegal. stop being poor and if you want a car with LEDs buy something which isnt a shitbox

Hey you faggots shit talking LED retrofits... Have you verified your factory LED's aren't blinding the fuck out of everybody? Because I get blinded way the fuck more by factory LED lowbeams than people with LED retrofits. Also could you euros stfu or just go away? Don't shit talk LED bulbs just because you failed the application for a headlight bulb license.

>>28703951
This. if you have the (low) skill and care required to even retrofit your lamps in the first place, you know how to properly adjust them.

much worse are factory new vehicles being driven by retards who dont even know about oil changes. they also run with blinding LED DRLs at high fucking noon in the summertime.

>>28703948
Jesus its so tiring.

Side by side tests of factory halogen and LED retrofit fucking PROVE the light pattern is the same (usually actually better).

Just shut the fuck up already, dumbass.

I never thought one of the things that would motivate me to ruin my life by performing a mass homicide would be headlights.

You things are unsalvagable. You aren't even human so you have no rights anyways.

>>28704074
Stop driving gay little cuckboxes.

LEDs are based because they make bootlickers seethe

>>28704082
You shouldn't take other people's safety as a joke.

>>28704084
Bright headlights are safer for the person using them. It's your fault you're driving an impractical vehicle.

>>28703980
>look at all these tests
>that I dont have
whats next you're going to post some 25 minute long sponsored jewtube video you watched? if they passed tests they would be legal. instead you're some poor with a 1990s era pather body who ccould never afford a car which came with LEDs, must less afford to replace the head lamps and $1k+ per headlight

>>28704084
Says the guy taking his own safety as a joke.

>>28704093
Bright lights everywhere mean your eyes never properly adjust to the darkness and your vision is worse overall because you can't see anything that isn't being blasted with 50,000 lumens

>>28699588 (OP)
>Diode Dynamics
Only USA made LEDs I'm aware of

>>28700008
They can't ignore DOT laws like the bug men can.
But their shit lasts a long time unlike the flickering Chinese LEDs I've used.

>>28704094
>if they passed tests they would be legal.
That's not how regulations work you fucking braindead retard.
Look up headlight regulations.
It was actually law for decades that ALL vehicles sold in the U.S. had to have the standard round or square sealed beam.
Thats it.
2 types of lights for any and all vehicles.
Autoparts stores used to just have a pallet of each type next to the counter.
The aero lights on the SVO fox body mustang were actually "unapproved" and the first gen had standard square sealed beams until the law was changed.

Get The Fuck off of /o/.
Wr're tired of your uninformed bullshit

>>28704290
you're a retarded poor. my car has factory LED. there is nothing to replace but the entire assembly for $1300 a side

>>28704093
A gun is safer for the person using it too

>>28704657
Which is why you should carry one. It's your God-given right, after all.

The only LED units that pass road certification are complete housing assembly replacements.
The caveat being your headlights are now 2-3x brighter in lumen output, and 4-5x brighter in spot lux, and I can't see a god damn thing when you get closer than 200 yards.
Safer for you? How is it safer for you when you're creating a dangerous lack of vision for everyone else?

Motherfuckers who put mishimoto full replacements on their trucks have headlights so bright it makes a car ahead of you lose vision in front of them.
You people are retarded.
You aren't human beings and have no rights.

>>28704687
>units that pass road certification
Found the europeon

>>28704705
How is the brazil mentality working our for brazilians, faggot

Drop-in LED bulbs are a good test of how brown you are.

>>28703948
>it doesn't you retard, thats why it is illegal.

once again, you braindead retard, I tested and calibrated them against both the HIDs I replaced and stock halogens, they performed on par with the HIDs

they're in a projector not reflector so they cant blind people or cast light the wrong way since all the light comes out of a controlled lens

they're "illegal" because in the states you need DOT citification for all lighting, not because there is anything inherently incompatible with the bulb. the after market tail lights people buy online are mostly "illegal" no one gives a shit.

they work better than stock and cost me $20 on amazon, maybe I got lucky but you retards need to learn something about lighting before talking about it

>>28704744
You're mentally retarded

>>28704796
nice none rebuttal, faggot
I won

>>28704800
>i tested and calibrated and!
Cool show us all the pictures and measurements so you can prove cheap LED units work correctly and aren't just blinding everyone.

>>28704657
Yes. Now do you go setting up camp on a shooting range? Because that's the equivalent of you bitcing about bright headlights.

>>28704744
I cant find high quality osrams in 10000K temp. have a nice 75W ballast, but all the high quality bulbs only go up to 6500K.

>>28701995
Sort of related, I bought Philips LEDs used and here you're required to have a fucking sticker on the rear of the headlight housing in order for it to be road legal but whoever sold them didn't include them. I also tossed the packaging a year ago so I don't even have anything to contact customer service with, and that's if philips customer service would even send me the stickers or a jpeg of them to begin with. I don't want to buy new lights just because of that and I'm tempted to just repeat the cycle and order new ones from amazon, take the sticker and return them.
>inb4 nigger behaviour

yes but what else am I to do? If anyone could make of photo of theirs that would be giga based.

>>28707360
You need a sticker to pass inspection?
https://www.excellentautolighting.com/html_info/?13-Certificates-13.html