Thread 2810312

winter is behind us and its time to get back /out/, sea, lakes, rivers, even canals, sailing is fun too
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Wear a life jacket

I have been toying with the idea of a small-ish electric motor for my large canoe, but I am unsure what power "need" havnt found any real explanation of how the power listed on the motor, should natch up with the size of your canoe?
I dont want to win any races, just put around

*view the thrust number on a trolling motor as torque instead of horsepower. or you could also view it similarly to a gear ratio I guess. there is very little top speed gain under comparible conditions in the same boat. for example, a 30lb thrust motor might go about 0.25mph slower than a 50lb thrust motor. the "thrust" is essentially the push so of course higher thrust will be "faster" or "better" against current/wind. adding weight to a boat lowers the water line and this more resistance, so that's why they suggest more thrust for heavier vessels. you take a noticeable power consumption hit though when going up in thrust. it's even good to learn the power draw for each speed on your trolling motor. if I remember correctly as an example, on a minn kota 30lb(the smallest one) the top(5th speed) is nearly double the power draw of the 4th speed. significant power savings and thus range by never using the top speed. however, in some current/wind conditions you have to weigh if you favor the extra grunt over range deoending on your outing. hull shape determines a lot of the efficiency also. a cheap minn kota 30lb trolling motor will move evern a large canoe very well, even with a couple hundred pounds of payload, you will only really notice a more powerful motor's benefite in current/wind. there is definitely a point of diminishing returns though. tldr: if you have money and can afford a large battery, get a powerful motor, but don't expect better top speed. you're lucky to get 3.5-4mph. if you care about being weight concious, smaller motors are lighter and don't require as big of a battery for the same range. also, buy LiFePO4. there is no reason not to with how cheap they are now. way lighter than acid batteries and you don't get the bad power curve like an acid battery the lower your state of charge drops.

>>2810418
Very good post, thank you fren, yea current and wind is no concern, I just use it for fishing, and weight isn't much of a concern, I'm not going anywhere in a hurry, would mostly use the motor when actually fishing, otherwise I'd just paddle

This is my canoe, I've posted many pictures before but I believe theese to be the technical specs, it's a "wenonah backwater"

>>2810419
And it already has a square back for a motor, so... just begging for one

>>2810419
then yeah, something like the $100 minn kota 30lb thrust is fine. I use one on a 17ft canoe occasionally with a small 50Ah LiFePO4 battery.

is there much, or very few, overlap\crossover ,skill and technique, form ,transference between : boat rowing, kayak, canoe, and rafting? I wish to try white river rafting someday, I think it's LESS dangerous than (white river\equivalent) canoe and kayak..because you're in a group, and most likely an expert instructor\leader.

>>2810437
I've never gone rafting, I started out sea kayaking, then went to canoing, I think if you already have a "feel" for your watercraft, can rescue yourself, then I wouldn't see much wrong with trying

I just purchased an inflatable kayak for some local low-impact paddlin'. Is there anything I should know / consider, things I should bring on my trips?

>>2810988
lifejacket
its more important than your paddle
leave some clothes near the shore/in your car, probably wont need them but dry socks are always nicer than wet ones
the rest is just on what else you want to do in the day

Do they sell lifejackets for the morbidly obese?

>>2811057
yes. on a lot of lifejackets, the actual main part is the same regardless of size, it's simply the straps that are longer. I bought an XXL despite wearing a small/medium because it was heavily discounted, and the straps can get extremely big. I have them folded over like 10 times.

>>2811071
link? I genuinely thought it wasn't a thing. I want to do whitewater rafting but I fear the companies wouldn't let me bring my own lifejacket because a lot of them mandate you using their gear.

>>2811073
pretty sure most NRS pfds have the xxl size. most of the new models have different foam sizes also in conjunction with the strap sizes, but the older styles that are heavily discounted just have ridiculously long straps for the xxl. the one I have specifically is this ION.
> https://www.rei.com/product/215622/nrs-ion-pfd?
you can probably find it cheaper somewhere else too if you're not picky on color. it's got a decent amount of foam in it too so it probably floats with more weight than some of the more lowwer profile ones.

>>2810312 (OP)
Best website for used kayaks?

>>2811118
in the US you probably have to use facebook marketplace or craigslist. you just need to make sure that you extend the range of the search to at least 100 miles, otherwise you won't get much results

>>2811087
thanks bro! Really appreciate it. Weird there's no like dedicated brands that just sell outdoor gear to fat people. I really miss rafting but its such a hassle to deal with the companies cuz they all only have standard lifejackets. I guess I could call and ask about it. It's gonna be spring rafting season starting next weekend...

>>2811173
You could always try losing weight. It’s a good thing there aren’t many options for fats, they don’t need to be tailored to

>>2811165
I'm looking for a used canoe, and yea, there's a bunch on faceFuckbook but I don't have faceFuckbook
Don't want faceFuckbook
I hate faceFuckbook
The only way to contact is to "message me on faceFuckbook"
No thanks, eat that son of a bitch.
Why advertise on a membership only sight, your only advertising to a small group who have faceFuckbook.
Facefuckbook is only for gossiping old rancid cunts, and I'm pretty sure their not looking for outdoor equipment

>>2811253
suck it up and make a burner account just for marketplace faggot. craigslist is pretty dead in comparison.

what length paddle do you like using?

>>2811610
yeah

>>2811277
Facebook sucks-almost all trying to resell Chinese shit for stupid prices

>>2810406
Where I live in New York State there's a limit to the size of an outboard mounted to any canoe, it's around 4HP I think. In addition, if an outboard is added then the canoe has to be registered along with the subsequent fees which is good for 3 years. Any canoe used without a motor doesn't require any registration. Other places may have similar laws.

I've been watching quite a few videos from long-distance cruisers and I'm starting to wonder why people use marconi sloops for everything. Aren't they originally intended for racing?
If you compare the videos from guys who use conventional sloops to people who use junk rigs, gaff ketches, and so on, it's pretty plain to see that the marconi rig is fucking retarded for cruising. They're pretty much at war with their own sails half the time, especially when they attempt to use the spinnaker (they eventually give up). That's not to mention the how often shit seems to break for them. Meanwhile the boomers in their junks are just like "day 17, dropped a sail panel because the wind picked up a bit much, watch me reef one-handed in 3 seconds lol"
Why even bother with the upwind performance when you're going to motor upwind anyway, and most of your route is downwind? At that stage you might as well use a square rig. Hell, some have tried and they seem to like it.

>>2811610
Alaskan paddles

>>2813821
do square rigs need twice as many ropes?
and does a foresail do the same job?
idk these things, ive only ever messed around on someone else's topper before
i like how big square rigs look

>>2810312 (OP)
Went out on a rented kayak in a local bay with some buddies for the first time ever near the end of last year's summer and thought it was nice. With summer around the corner I thought it might be fun to do that again, but I figure it might be more economical to buy my own kayak rather than renting forever. Problem is, I drive a sedan and not some SUV or Jeep with gear racks all over to transport the thing. Inflatable kayaks sketch me out and I hear they give a completely different feel than hard shell kayaks, so I was wondering if there might be something I could do without damaging or permanently altering my car short of going full tard and towing the fucker on a trailer. Any ideas?

>>2810312 (OP)
>sailing is fun too
I want to learn how to sail this summer. How should I go about this? Google isn't giving me any leads on classes in my area, which kind of surprised me.
>are there docks or boat launches in your area
Yes, there are several of both. I'm on a peninsula and there is loads of water around.

>>2814484
what car do you have? plenty of cars have available aftermarket roof racks you can install. otherwise you could do the ol roof pads method, but you gotta be careful strapping it down too tight because car roofs are thin shet metal for the most part. either way, if you are car topping prioritize a lighter weight kayak, say under 75lbs or so.

>>2814499
>what car do you have?
2018 Toyota Camry
>aftermarket roof racks you can install
I really like my car without any racks sticking up off it, so I'm not too keen to bolt some bars to it forever.
>if you are car topping prioritize a lighter weight kayak, say under 75lbs or so
Noted, thanks

>>2814501
my roof rack can be put on and taken off pretty easily without doing any damage bc its a manufacturer one
im sure there will be one out there for a camry

>>2814484
Have you considered a foldable kayak?

>>2814515
Oh, I always assumed roof racks were bolted on through the roof or some shit. I don't know shit about cars lol.
>>2814521
Wait, some of them fold? Are foldable kayaks decent?

>>2814597
I use an Oru Inlet, it's decent. I got it for portability because I didn't want to fool with a roof rack. It's not as sturdy as a hardshell, but I can still go over a submerged rock or tree limb without getting too worried. I wouldn't use it for white water or the ocean, but it's great for flat water and mild rivers.

>>2810388
no.

I'm thinking of buying my first little sailboat, probably a used Laser. I've done plenty of sailing in boats like this, but never actually owned one, what should I be looking out for when I buy one?

Lasers are common and pretty fungible. You can buy one, run it for a couple seasons and resell it for probably a couple hundred bucks of depreciation.

Make sure it's intact and has all of the pieces and you should be good. Avoid trainers used by sailing schools due to the abuse they encounter. Be prepared to walk because there will always be another.

>>2810312 (OP)
This summer I am planning to do the national rivers in Arkansas and Missouri, the Devil's in Texas, and while I'm there I'm thinking of trying the Perdenales. It's almost all privately owned but I watched a YouTube video where they managed to find campsites. And I definitely want to kayak down Perdenales falls.

>>2814486
Google Maps enter "Sailing School"

>>2815750
>tfw this worked when "sailing classes" didn't
Fuckin Google. Thanks anon

finally a kayak thread, I can ask my question
I have been planning a kayaking trip with some of my friends, we are planning to kayak roughly 50km (31 miles) over 2-3 days. Keep in mind none of us have really kayaked but we want to give it a go.
I have organized the length and duration of the trip I have visited the river before and the rapids there are very easy and non-threatening. We could be camping along the river side each day we will carry out tents and sleeping bags in waterproof bags.

Is this a realistic distance or have I bit off more then I can chew? could happily do less if needed but we are all relatively fit people but I want it to be an enjoyable experience and not torture
>picrel, along this river

>>2815916
I did a boat trip with the rubber inflatable boats with my buddies a couple years ago and the total distance was 23km (14 miles) we did approx 16km the first day and the rest on the 2nd day. Wasn't too bad but the 2nd day felt like a bit of a slog due to the blistering sun and us being a bit hungover kek. Make sure you pack enough food cause we fucked up and ran the 1st day mostly on beer and snacks, with a full dinner at the very end of the day and a full breakfast the next. I think kayaking is easier than the rubber boats we used since kayaks are lighter. I think for 3 days doing 16km each day is possible, even might do more the 1st day full energy and then less the remaining ones. Just be sure not to get piss drunk each night lol

>>2810420
I got two stroke from temu I'm thinking of taking it on the Mississippi this year >>2810988
You can get an air pump from harbor freight for like 10 bucks to inflate that bitch and it also works as a bilge pump

>>2815916
if the paddlers don't have solid rolls I wouldn't go over class 2. With proper safety and scouting you could make a day trip of the higher class rapids and if you swim at least it won't be with all your camping gear.

>>2816011
Yeah I we won't be going over grade 2, it also won't be deep at all. What do you mean rolls? as in rolling the kayak back to an upright position?

>>2810312 (OP)
God I wish there were real lakes and rivers where I live so bad. I do have prime ocean and access to mountains, desert, beach within an hour drive though.

Might be better off in /diy/ but any of y'all know anything about canoe repair?

I bought a small solo canoe project, the hull is mostly in good shape aside from a little 1-2" crack in the fiberglass, not all the way through but like a weak point where the fiberglass wants to bend sharply instead of flexing smoothly, and a couple of chips through the gelcoat (and minor gelcoat cracks). Also basically all the woodwork needs replacing, gunwales basically already gone, I have the seat but it's broken, and the yoke is barely hanging on.

What the best course of action? It's fragile without gunwales obviously, but I'd rather paint before attaching new ones if possible. Thinking wash and sand down the chips, crack, and gelcoat cracks, patch the crack both sides, then get some thickened epoxy putty to fill in the chips and gelcoat racks (after sanding/grinding them down), prime, paint, then woodwork?

As far as wood, was thinking of doing cherry. I know ash is the usual recommendation but cherry is about the same price and I think looks nicer for the canoe (it's orange and I'm going to keep it the same color). Original wood was apparently Parana pine. Is a table saw enough to rip boards? I'm going to be scarfing them also, no long wood readily available near me (even though it's just under 14' but still). Also going to try to cut out a shelf into the outwale to cover the fiberglass, not sure how difficult that's gonna be.... Also do I have to drill new holes in the fiberglass when attaching the gunwales, or can I re-use the old ones? If I need new ones, do I need to fiberglass the old ones? Don't want to end up creating a perforated tear line lol.

As far as the seat since I have the old one, just going to do my best to produce a close copy, it's fairly basic, sorta trapezoid that had premade cane webbing.

Any tips? Shit I've got totally wrong?

>>2816014
>as in rolling the kayak back to an upright position
yes.

>>2814597
Different anon here. I have an Oru Bay ST and love it, would recommend.
It was definitely a little expensive, but I don't regret it at all. Inflatables also sketch me out and I value the portability and closed cockpit design (less water splashing in, sunburned legs, etc...).
Like >>2814615 said though, it's not as sturdy as a hardshell but as long as you aren't white-water rafting through beggar's canyon you'll be fine. I take mine out in the bay all the time and even in choppier water it's been a joy.

>dont fish
>want to be like pic related
I feel like i need an 'excuse' to get a small motor boat. But i want to go out to islands here in maine, But i dont care for fishing. Maybe short camping by boat? What tf to people do?

I have been thinking about getting a sonar for kayak/canoe, so something lightweight. I live in Finland, so getting one with options to icefish would be nice

>>2816685
Garmin Striker Vivid 4cv for basic but good. Lowrance Hook Reveal 5(not "5x" model as it doesn't have mapping) if you want something that actually has mapping and the ability to lo download new maps on a microSD card from your computer. The Hook Reveal series was replaced by the Eagle(basically the same thing) so they are often heavily discounted. the Lowrance also has the ability to overlay traditional sonar fish signatures overtop of the downscan(downscan is a narrower cone sonar with higher structure detail.) Humminbird also has the Piranhamax 4DI which is like the Garmin but I haven't used it.

>>2816691
Thanks fren, will look into it. Just waiting for the ice to melt so i can get my canoe out!

>>2816463
Get a boat BBQ
Get a boat with a cabin or space you can sleep in
Snorkeling
Swimming
Hike on the islands
Birding
Photography
Bring a telescope and look at stars
Who gives a shit, just toot around. Read a book or something.

>>2816463
chest freezer/somewhere to keep drinks warm
hammock (if there is space)
look up what people do on canal boats

>>2816789
>somewhere to keep drinks warm
lmoa i meant cold
but an onboard kettle could be cool for colder voyages

>>2816710
>>2816789
Thanks. I've wanted one for a while. I pay too much for water taxi every summer just to have a narrow timeframe and be subject to tides to explore an island. It'd be nice to go when I want

>>2816463
You can literally do whatever you want. Just dicking around in a boat is fun, you don't need some excuse.

For all summer long to kayak but np one to go with yet. Looking for a whitewater club nearby, because otherwise I'm not sure how i would paddle a river, and get back to my vehicle.

>>2811253
You don't have to talk to the old rancid cunts and join their social club, you can just enquire about canoes and be on your way.

>>2817981
i normally do canals and slow current rivers
and always start going upstream, so you can always get back to where you started
one time i went downstream in a current that was way too strong, ended up just hiding my kayak in some bushes and walking back to my car to go pick it up

We really have no excuse not to be sailing nowadays, do we?

>>2810312 (OP)
>season

>>2818852
where is the mast?

>>2819073
In the dinghy.

what is it like kayaking the lower Mississippi river? how fast is the average current? Is there a lot of traffic? Looking at the map, it appears to be much more channelized than i thought it would be.

A SCAMP.

>>2819152
ah neat
i just need property to store it now i guess

>>2819245
just leave it on the car, duh

>10' inflatable on the way
>brand new 2-stroke 15hp on the way

Boating soon bros

Been contemplating whether I should build a boat for sailing, I like building things a lot and I don't have space for a anything more than a dinghy so I've been looking at simple plans for boats that fit on top of my shitbox car.
The Duckpunt caught my eye for it's simplicity, maybe anons here know of other plans in this category? I am still searching a bit and there's boatloads of simple plans out there.

I just want something that can row and sail, something that fits on top of a car, and is not to complicated, I just want to cruise a bit and explore some inland waters.

>>2819354
I haven't tried it, but from what I've read the Oz Goose is the best sailing performance, cheapest and simplest build you can get for a cheap diy cartopper. It looks kinda ugly as fuck and probably wasn't designed for rowing, but people that have tried it all seem to say it performs way better than it should for the size and every other design in that size I look into ends up seeming mostly just worse other than looks.
https://duckworks.com/piccup-pram-plans/ was another I looked at, much cuter and designed with rowing in mind but probably doesn't sail nearly as well or have as much capacity.

>>2819356
Hey anon, thanks for your insights, the past two days I have been reading and watching a lot of things related to the Oz Goose and also the Piccup Pram, I think the Oz Goose is a very tempting boat.
The pram definitely looks a bit nicer but the boxy goose definitely looks a fair bit simpler to build, and while it is terribly ugly it does look like a capable and practical boat, seeing it being raced in pretty daunting conditions. So I am seriously considering it especially for a first project.
One other thing that I find gives the Oz Goose an edge is how it's built a lot by many people across the world, it has more than proven itself I think.

Honesty the pram does look very charming and suitable for what I want (light cruising on inland waters) I think building an Oz Goose may actually be a better starting point.
I need more time to think it through, and consider how much I want to spend on quality materials or see if I can build a super cheap rig.
Thanks again.

It's a SCAMP

The bottom of my aluminum canoe leaks like crazy. The inside has foam so I can't tell where its coming in from. My engineer friend said to cover the rivets / bottom edge of canoe with NP-1 polyurethane. Any thoughts on this? He figures it'll be better than flex seal. Thanks

>>2810388
>wearing a babby jacket instead of just learning to swim
if I'm knocked unconscious while falling in the water or in a location where I can't swim to shore or expect to be rescued before I pass out from exhaustion there's a 99.9% chance I'm dead regardless

>>2813821
Yacht design is just retarded in general. The way cruising yachts are designed now is as if RV manufacturers designed their campers by taking a formula 1 design and scaling it up until they could fit a kitchenette and bedroom inside it

>>2820329
fill the canoe with water and see where it comes out on the bottom

>>2820414
How could I see it if it was on the bottom?

>>2810312 (OP)
I've been looking at the prices for new canoes and it's insane how much they're going for nowadays

>>2820442
By looking?

>>2820493
You neglected to mention propping the canoe up. Makes more sense now. Thanks!

>>2820475
you have two tiers of canoes when it comes to new market... high-end materials, and your "basic" and somewhat outdated tformex/plastic. the only real problem with the latter is that prices are outrageous for what you're getting. they should be under or at $1k. many of them are far more than that. things like the northstar canoes in IXP material are awesome when it comes to being a blend of lightweight, rigid, and durable, but they are premium canoes. so unless you are loaded or really use your canoe enough to justify the cost, it just isn't worth it. if you just want a beater canoe, you can never go wrong with old aluminum canoes like grummans. they can be found in great condition without dents for a couple to several hundred dollars. they will dent if you hit something hard enough, but otherwise maintenance is a non-issue, store them in the sun or whatever, just protect them from falling tree limbs and you're good. the really expensive new canoe are just hard to justify unless you're a hardcore canoe person, because for the same price, you can buy two different styles of premium kayaks and have way more versatility..

Let me guess, you "need" more?

Anyone know what this thing is called so I can replace it?
off an old sailboat. It's what the shroud attaches to
If I have to I can just get a U bolt that fits in the holes but if possible I'd like to get the same thing with the nice baseplate and smooth curve, but I've run out of nautical hardware words to google. Probably it's some weird unique thing you can't find any more anyway but figured I'd ask.

>>2820619
it's just a u bolt style cleat

>>2820620
would you really call that a cleat? I thought cleats actually grabbed a rope, either like horn cleats or cam cleats etc. I only 1/4 know what I'm talking about but I wouldn't normally call something you had to tie a knot on a cleat. U bolts don't seem to be called cleats in sailing part catalogues either, and I still can't find any in that style, with the single piece ring and top plate.

>>2820550
while the lower range kayak i got it very nice, i kinda wish i bought a second hand one now

>>2820616
Yes, I need at least three sails.

I've got a naked roof and looking to get racks. Trying to take advantage of the Yakima sale going on right now but information on the big differences between products is hard to find. Any opinions or on core bars vs jetstream? Baseline system vs Baseline FX system?

>>2816463
Based Mainebro

Your boat needs more sail.

>>2820616
Any minimalist boaters in the thread?

Best place to get a quality inexpensive inflatable paddleboard?

>>2820796
if it needs that much sail to reach hullspeed, I think something is wrong with your design

>moneyed enough to afford a sea kayak
>too poor to be willing to pay for storage (since I can't keep it in my apartment)
>don't trust neighborhood enough to just leave it on my car
Guess I'm stuck being an inflatacuck...

>>2820890
niggers don't nig sea kayaks, they aren't quickly or easily flipped online and every pawn shop is gonna know jaquandarius brown didn't acquire that fishing geared sea kayak legitimately.

>>2820897
finding it trashed a few streets over instead of being sold isnt exactly a win either

I built a boat

tiny boat

>>2816083
remove seats and gunwales, sand the whole thing down. use marine body filler on the holes and big cracks. For holes tape a ziploc bag on the INSIDE of the boat really tightly and put filler from the OUTSIDE in, let dry and sand to surface. Get marine epoxy and 6oz fiberglass sheets to patch everything over. You only need one sheet. Maybe two on the keel if youre really scared about rocks. You can use MARINE paint directly on the fiberglass, no need to prime. If you want your eventual scratches to not look like shit, repaint it the original color.

For wood, cherry is fine AS LONG AS YOU VARNISH IT. Don't varnish and it'll rot. THICK VARNISH. Table saw is fine with cherry, use a hardwood saw blade.

You can reuse the holes or not, it doesn't matter. I'd say reuse them since it's faster and easier. When you bend the gunwale to fit the curve of the boat, use steam. Look up a tutorial to bend wood on youtube, it's easy.

For the webbing look up paracord seat webbing. It'll take you an hour to do each seat but its cheap and easy with paracord.

>>2820676
Honestly for a normal size kayak or canoe a cheap Yakima or whatever cheapest Amazon model you can find that fits your car will work.
If you have a canoe or kayak that's heavier than like 60lbs or you plan on moving more than one at a time spring for a nicer wide rack.
Pic related works but is sketchy and buzzes loud as hell on the highway. For a single boat you can easily get away with being a cheap ass. That being said if you buy a $1k+ Thule or something similar your a moron.

PFD recommendations?

Just bought some cheap kayaks on FBM to use in our pond, so I don't need anything super high performance. Just looking for the lowest profile somewhat comfortable one I can get.

Level 70, with a kayak style clear shoulder design to allow for freedom of movement for paddling. Get something with the softer foam for all day comfort and short enough to clear the cockpit skirt if you use one.

>>2820339
There are more things that can prevent swimming rather than just unconsciouness. You can get injured and that would hinder your swimming. Your legs/arms can get caught and tangled on rope/fishing line.
A lifejacket will also make recovery easier. You have the extra byoancy to help you flip your kayak over and climb back in. You have more stamina to recover since you don't have to use it to swim. You don't typically flip kn ideal water condition. You usually end up in the water when the water/current is rougher than normal and that would make swimming difficult as well

>>2821610
NRS

anyone been sailing yet?

Anybody ever used an electric trolling motor to push a canoe upriver?

I put 50lb/thrust motor on a 13ft canoe and my goal is to be able to go upstream like 2miles. It's a smallish, calm river-average streamflow for this time of year is 5,500 cfs(whatever that fuckin means). Can anyone tell me if that's feasible??

Boat will be loaded with <400lbs

>>2823394
it works, even with the 30lb thrust. the main thing to remember if you are going any real distance is that power draw goes up big time when you go up speeds. speed 4 out of 5 is usually the highest you want to go because speed 5 draws nearly twice as much juice as speed 4. even better if you can use 3, although it's not as bad of a jump as 4 to 5 is. basically, the calmer the current, the lower the speed you should use as long as it is moving you along steadily, regardless of how long it takes to gain ground. that's if you care about battery. especially important if you are using the old lead types because once they get to about 70% charge they really drop off in performance, and you only really get about half of the batteries amp hour rating in reality, and even then it's not at full power. lifepo4 batteries are dirt cheap now compared to a couple of years ago, and a small 50ah will last a long ass time, and you don't have to deal with the power drop off until it's extremely low charge. you can cruise around at like speed 3 on a trolling motor with a 50ah for hours in average current/wind.

I have an Old Town Guide 147 Canoe. I have put countless river miles on this thing and caught many a fish from it. It is plastic which I don't like, and I plan to eventually get a high quality wooden canoe built like that company in Maine who does it, though they have a 2 year waitlist. I have a small bass-tracker style boat but more often I prefer the slipping stealth offered by a canoe and the thrill of fighting bass from it, especially if I happen to hook one un-anchored.
Recently I went on a trip to Guntersville Lake in Alabama and fished morning and evening for 5 days in the canoe. I have a flag that I fly on the boat when crossing the channels for visibility (southern flag that makes tards rage), and I had a couple days where the wind was strong enough that on crossing the channel going back to camp I only had to fly the flag and I got decent speed like a sailboat. It was a ton of fun. This has made me start to consider actually installing a mast on my canoe and learning to sail when the wind is favorable.
I would probably want outboard stabilizers if I did this, right? There's a few videos online of people with this setup. For a while I played with the idea of having the option of a 5hp outboard motor on the stern (it is not square-stern so it would be side-mounted) but I think if I make any modification it will be a mast for coolness. Of course I could do both and have either option I want.
https://www.wooden-canoes.com/canoes/

such as

>>2823444
I think if you want sailing on a canoe you need a rudder and leeboard (the sword that dips in the water on the side of the canoe) besides the mast.
And because canoes are not super stable by default you can go with an outrigger which is the little extended flotation device on the side. Though I've seen people do canoe sailing without that, but if you've never done canoe sailing it may be wise to rig something up to add stability.

Also, it depends a lot on what kind of performance you want out of it, you can add a really big sail to go fast, you would really need the extra stability. or if you just want to do some light cruising, maybe you can get by with just a small sail and no outrigger.
Heck you can also do without rudder and leeboard if your sail is particularly small and just use the paddle for steering. I guess it all comes down to how much you want to push your canoe.

Semi-new to Kayaking and kayak fishing. Been out around 6 times now (alone).

What's the usual wind/gust range I should aim for? I try to shoot for under 7-8 mph and under 15mph gusts.

I'm stuck with this hobby now since I dumped $1,000+ on a good inflatable + gear.

>>2823791
it seems like it's been windy nonstop for the last couple of years. don't let it dictate your trips. just embrace it. use your anchor on the bow

Boo flat water!

Also saw the largest non-tarantula spider I've ever seen.

>>2824475
That looks chill, love the fog on the water.

>>2823176
Took my first lessons at my local club the past few weeks. I have access to the club boats for the rest of the season now too. How about you anon?

>>2824645
I wish, I'm still searching for a place to take lessons that isn't super expensive, I have no boat and I think I would prefer to get a little experience before I get a dinghy of my own.

Cool that you get to use club boats, sounds like a good deal.

>>2824748
Not sure what it's like in your area but I'm in the mid-west and I've got maybe 3-4 or so lakes near my city with a club. I think most of them race every Sunday and it seems like someone is always looking for crew regardless of experience. Might be worth checking out, that way you can at least get out on the water without having to pay for lessons. Everyone has been super friendly and willing to teach in my experience so far.

Fun times out on the water. The weather has been pretty decent recently which is nice.

long time ago i made my canoe into modular sailing boat and we had many fun years sailing together
back then i had this old beat up car with roof supports and i used to strap the canoe in there and go adventuring every weekend
i miss the constant fear of drowning and how complicated it was to operate that rickety thing i really do

>>2823444
>I have a flag that I fly on the boat when crossing the channels for visibility (southern flag that makes tards rage)
Kek based. You should use a giant one as a sail

Doing a 2/day 1-night Trip down Black Canyon on the Colorado this weekend! Never done a kayak-camp trip before, only portaging in the Boundary Waters. I feel well prepared but is there anything you Anons recommend that I might not have considered?

>>2825170
Bring more snacks than you think you need.

>>2825175
Thanks! Threw in a few extra G2G bars for ya.

Some friends invited me on a kayak camping trip on the Buffalo river. I only have a whitewater boat, pic related. The trip will be three days two nights in a hammock/tarp setup. If I pack minimally I can probably stuff everything into a 30l dry bag, but stuffing that into the cockpit might make boating stuck. There isn't too many options for strapping it outside, but maybe something could be rigged with a bungee and the three back handles.

>tl;dr: has anyone camped out of a whitewater boat before?

Some friends invited me on a kayak camping trip on the Buffalo river. I only have a whitewater boat, pic related. The trip will be three days two nights in a hammock/tarp setup. If I pack minimally I can probably stuff everything into a 30l dry bag, but stuffing that into the cockpit might make boating stuck. There isn't too many options for strapping it outside, but maybe something could be rigged with a bungee and the three back handles.

>tl;dr: has anyone camped out of a whitewater boat before?

>>2824476
Looks like a fisher spider. Very cool.

i want to get a fishing kayak
problem is i have a 2 door hatchback / aka 3 door without roof rack
from what i can tell from some brief research i could DIY it with pool noodles with pvc pipe in the middle strapped on to the roof, or buy a cheapo roof rack kit on amazon
this is much more appealing than paying 700usd for a yakima rack that i'd have to drill into the roof of a ~20 year old car with 100k miles on it that might not last much longer
i'm looking at a hobie outback or maybe compass
mainly for freshwater, though i am close to the ocean, but i appreciate that saltwater brings a whole new dynamic of risks and regulations

I watched a guy drive down the road towards the beach with an inflatable standup paddleboard on the roof of his car today, holding it down with his arm out the window
I wonder if he made it, he was in the 30k section but heading towards the 50k stretch

>>2823444
Hey cheif, ive got the same boat. Does the bottom of your boat flex inward while loaded in the water.
I thought these 3 layer plastic boats the bottom didn't oil can, or whatever it's called.

>>2827405
cheapo roof rack is the way to go
luckily my car has a dedicated roof rack that hooks onto holes inside the door frame

I found an oru beach for cheap, is it worth it? I like kayaking but don’t have a kayak mount on my car (or even a kayak rn)

>>2826756
This boat will have next to no storage space if you have floatation. If you don't, you could keep some stuff in the stern, but it would probably fuck your balance up. Consider a whitewater canoe if you want to camp along a whitewater river, but this has limitations too. Raft is another viable option.

Is there anywhere decent to be a raft or kayak guide in the winter? Preferably in CONUS. I got my first guide job this summer, but it’s a short, fairly low-intensity river and now I want to go do it somewhere else. I figure I’ll probably have to find something else to do this winter though

>>2826756
Damn bro you gonan suffer so much

>>2810388

Apparently easier said than done. We get niggers dying all the time, avoidable deaths that could have been prevented by simply wearing their life jackets.

>>2810988
Inflatables tend to track like shit so don't expect to go fast, straight or far
But if you don't care about that have fun

>>2826756
What are your friends using?
Rather than storage you should probably be more concerned with how much you are going to slow them down

>>2810312 (OP)
Holy shit, I'm the guy that created op picrel.
This is from my old twitter account that got band during COVID.
Thank you op!!!!

>>2820890
I've had a kayak on my truck for 2 years now
Main downside is that if I piss someone off while driving they will be able to identify me easily in a parking lot the next day

>>2829314
just dont drive like a dink

>>2830323
I'll stop driving like an asshole when slow people stop hanging out in the passing lane

Looking to upgrade from my inflatable kayak that I use for fishing (Blackfoot 130) to a pedal drive now that I have the proper living situation space. I'll either sell the Blackfoot for cheap or just keep it around packed as a spare.

I've been told that a pedal drive is basically +~$1,000 on top of the price of a standard paddle kayak at the same quality, and I want to stay around the low $2,000 range once all is said and done (this will include the $200-300 for a quality roof rack that I'll need). So that gives me a $1,600-$1,700 target range for the pedal drive. Is this doable once the off-season sales start popping up around late September?

Trying to prioritize low weight + 10.5' to make getting on and off the water + car topping as easy as possible. I have a smallish car, so I really don't want to go 12' and I don't pack an entire battleship when I go out currently. I was told by my folks on the water that Hobie, Old North, and Native are my starting points.

>>2830420
the only "lightweight" pedal kayak in that budget is
> Liquidlogic Manta Ray Propel 12
there are others for much more, but they probably aren't even as light as that one, and they re more geared for fishing. that kayak is one of the only rec/fishing style pedal kayaks of high quality that is under 70-75lbs without the drive and seat. It's often overlooked since most people buying pedal drive kayaks want a huge barge with tons of fishing features. it's ironically one of the better performing ones too. it's fast, it's efficient, and it's got a good hull design that even handles light ocean water with swells. they only make it in the 12' length but it's goot that it's still that weight with the benefit of added length for performance over a 10ft. imo, native/liquidlogic has the best pedal drive system anyways,
> https://liquidlogickayaks.com/products/manta-ray-propel-12?variant=47839819563213

>>2830410
>you don't understand, I NEED to get to that red light 3 seconds earlier so I can sit there even longer, it's absolutely critical

>>2830433
Yes, but every now and then those 3 seconds let me catch a yellow light
There are few feelings better than passing a person and making it through a light that they have to stop at

>>2830430
Looked into some more options yesterday. I want to get a Thule/Yakima roof rack and REI does an annual 20% off sale on those around the end of August every year, which seems to be the only major discount you can get on those, so I've budgeted the $500 for that. I'll go around the $2,000 range on the Kayak itself then so I can Max out around $2,500 total.

I hope I can actually get a worthwhile Hobie/Old North/Native pedal drive for around $2,000 with a decent sale (I'm assuming 20%-25% off) at that time.

>>2830446
Im glad I will never know you in real life
You sound horrible

>>2830746
sales are gonna be hard to come by. when they do exist, it's usually online retailers that charge $300+ to ship. that liquidlogic is one of the best pedal kayaks if you want lighter and mroe minimalist, it just so happens to be cheaper but it's good. it used to be sold under the native brand, who is the parent brand of liquidlogic, so it's built in the same factory. when it comes to hobies, the only one that's really light is the revolution, and those are pure sport boats that are narrow and kind of dated in terms of features. native also has the slayer 10 lte, but it's much more expensive than the manta ray. those are really the only two "light" ones that are actually nice. you can't go wrong with either.

>>2830446
Pathetic, sort it out

>>2830752
Just stay out of the left lane when you're not passing and we can be best friends

>>2830838
The issue isn't the act of passing but rather your unrestrained delight in another person's suffering

>>2830839
No, my delight comes not allowing others to cause me to suffer. Whether I passed the person or no, they were going to hit the red light

best kayak for fatasses trying to do better?

280lb / 5'11

>>2830870
Jackson bite

>>2830900
thanks anon! i'll keep an eye out on facebook. but i might end up buying it. these fucks just expect you to pay near full price on their used shit.

>>2830920
yeah, used kayaks are usually priced at msrp. no point buying used and left out in the sun for the same price as new. every once in awhile you can find a good deal but it's rare. luckily the jackson bite is one of the more popular kayaks so you see them on used market here and there.

>>2830923
based. honestly the price new is cheaper than i expected to pay for a kayak. that's pretty nice. I can now look at what else i should get. my budget was roughly $3-4k

>>2830926
you are looking for a paddle kayak right? they also make the bite fd which is pedal drive version. it's obviously more expensive and heavier. paddling really isn't hard but pedaling is easier and you can always paddle also. the only real downside to the pedal version is that at that price range, there is lots of competition. as for the price of the standard paddle version, you would be hard pressed to find a better sub$1k kayak that would be suited for your size AND also paddles well. it's a very longstanding design and popular for a reason..

>>2830933
oh sick! i honestly don't mind spending more. i don't have any particular preference. I want to be able to stand and sit comfortably. I won't be fishing. i just wanna chill and enjoy floating. I don't even care about falling out of the kayak(when it's warm.) doesn't bother me.

Can I take it to the beach/sea? I live in NJ. The good beaches are about 2hrs away from me. but I do have access to lakes/rivers/shore. I just haven't been in the water since I was 12. every thing i read online is that it can be dangerous? but i'm really not afraid. I know it's dangerous, but i still want to do it.

>>2830951
only rivers with strong current and the ocean is really dangerous. all because of current and chop. as for kayaks in the ocean, it really depends on the type of "ocean" you're referring to. inshore like bays and inlets aren't really bad as long as the weather is fine. offshore, like what you see beyond the beach is where the conditions require different kayaks in most areas. there are some key factors that make certain kayaks better suited. hull design has to be one that is good with swells/chop, and the longer the better for that also. this is why you see lots of longer and sleeker kayaks offshore, and most of those aren't really great for standing because wider more stable kayaks don't roll with the chop/swells as well as a kayak that can lean on an edge and has less width. think of it like a floating dock getting knocked around by waves vs a person floating on their back just kind of rolling with the waves. but anyways, there are some exceptions. you see lots of hobie pro anglers and hobie outbacks offshore but not much else. mainly because they were designed with that somewhat in mind. with that said, the pro angler is very expensive. jackson maes the knarr which is meant for bigger water. the problem with these kayaks is that they are all very heavy. probably like 150lbs. that may not matter to you if you trailer it or can lift it onto a kayak cart to wheel around, but for some that's a deal breaker. once a kayak gets above about 80-85lbs, every extra 5lbs feels like 20. not a big deal if you have a truck or trailer and use a kayak cart, but carrying becomes impossible with these heavier kayaks. even for short distances. it's better to properly trailer and strap them down anyways because under it's own weight and straps the hull can get deformed if you're not careful. the jackson bite for example is very light in comparison. I can carry the standard paddle version and I'm 5'11 and skinny. this may or may not matter to you.

>>2831071
really good insight!

i don't care for high currents. I want to be on lakes. Ride through small channels. And be near the shore of a beach. Basically chill on the kayak like a big flotation device. Paddle around a bit and enjoy the waves. sit and enjoy my favorite drink. maybe i don't need it so heavy, that's a good point. I have a minivan. I think the roof max capacity 150lb? I work in a warehouse. Anything over 75lbs is very difficult to move around by yourself. Perhaps it would be too much to handle before needing a trailer.

damn you guys got me so excited for this!! I got so out of shape. but i plan to drop weight too. I won't be so heavy. I can get down to 250 pretty easily.

I need to know how much a foam core will help me roll my kayak for the first time? I took a class, failed, watched more videos and hope to go try again soon. That said, I'm going to get a new paddle and I'm not sure if the extra money for a foam core is worth it or if it will really help.

I can't really afford either but it's time for an upgrade. I just don't want to spend money pointlessly on the foam core it if's not going to help.

>>2810312 (OP)
How do you reliably anchor a kayak in muddy/silty/sandy bottoms so you can leave the boat unmanned while you go snorkelling? Better yet, is there a system which works in tidal rivers around1-2mph?

>>2831507
I have no experience with them but I don't see why it wouldn't help, even if only a little bit.
>>2831518
not really recommended to do that with standard kayak anchors. you'd probably need a much heavier anchor. problem is that there is a large gap in weights from kayak anchors to say skiff anchors. MAYBE you could try something like a 15 lb anchor you would use on a jon boat, but they are usually mushroom anchors so they still might move on the bottom in strong current. you basically have to test it yourself, or make a custom anchor

>>2831534
Well, with regards to the foam car, thanks. I'm sure it "helps" I just don't know how tangible it is. Whether it's a " kind of feel like it helps" or if it's a, "Wow, now my paddle really stays on the surface and lets me leverage off of it" kind of help.

The paddles in question are in the picture $340 vs $475 with the only difference that matters being the foam core. So, the cost difference is real. I supposed the blade area is 95 in^2 and if I had to guess (it is a guess) an average thickness of 1/2" would give a volume of 47.5 cubic inches. A cubic inch of water is 0.036127 pounds, meaning the displacement of one of the blades is an estimated 1.7 pounds of water. So, regardless, the upward force is than 2 pounds. I'm not saying 2 pounds is nothing though and when you consider it's out on the end of a stick, you get in to leverages and everything. Mathematically, a little beyond me.
>tl;dr I have no idea

I'm looking at high angle kayak paddles and would like to know which one falls on this graph, near the top of quality but without getting into any diminishing returns. I am not a wealthy man. These the paddles I'm looking at:

Bending Branches Whisper (current(
Werner Tybee
Aqua Bound Manta Ray Carbon
Aqua Bound Whiskey (2024)
Werner Cyprus

>>2831543
like you say and as the technique demonstrates, the blade is the part you're using to roll. however, even a small amount of foam is more effective than you tink for floating. think of pool noodles, even the skinny ones. will that help with rolling? who knows, but it will definitely make the paddle float noticeably better I'd assume. either way, you should learn how to roll without any added help. otherwise your technique is not good period.
>>2831583
see if you can find somewhere that sells any of them in person and go text how much the blade flexes. that's more important than weight imo. obviously carbon will flex less, but you can compare the werner and aqua bound fiberglass stiffness. lastly, decide on fiberglass vs carbon and rule some out that way. if you push off of a shallow bottom or other stuff when you launch or aren't only doing open water, you might want the more durable(usually fiberglass) paddles. a $350+ carbon paddle is more of a pure open water queen. if you paddle in bad weather where you might get stuck in a storm, carbon is a lightning rod. make sure you price shop too, paddles are often on sale on random sites for much less than msrp, even with discount codes you might not see on a google search. personally, the ones at the top of your price list probably don't make sense unless you can blow money without breaking a sweat, or you are seriously trying to squeeze out overy tiny bit of perceived performance.

>>2831643
Thank you, you may have talked me into saving some money but more than that, sincerely appreciate the input.

Got a sailboat and i like it. Came with a skiff but it is kind of big and awkward so i took it off. Think I would rather have a small inflatable kayak because it seems like it would be easier to deal with. What should I look for ?

Boats are scary. I drive an old used Hobie Outback kayak, sans pedal drive. Just a cheapo paddle. I always figured this was a safe boat because it's wide as fuck. Pulling yourself back up onto it wouldn't be too difficult. But the thing is. If you fall out of a kayak it probably flips as well. And something I didn't know is that super wide kayaks are actually next to impossible to flip back over. What you have to do is tie a rope amidships, toss it over to the other side, swim to the other side, grab the rope, put a foot on the side of the boat, and try and pull it back over that way. I never go too far offshore with mine. Just hug the shore in protected waters. But I definitely had ideas of taking it out further, and now I've given up on those ideas.

>>2832677
capsize drills are important practice for any boat small enough that righting one is realistic, and they're a lot of fun at least in sailing dinghies on a warm day which is my only real experience doing it.
Go out and practice a few times intentionally, so you know what to expect if it happens and won't freak out, unless things go very wrong there's not usually a ton of danger as long as you don't panic and make things worse.

>>2832677
like the other guy said, you should practice bad scenarios, especially if you go offshore. it's also good to know how to kayak in current/swell/chop even for large lakes. always go bow into the waves, never sit perpendicular, even taking it from beind(no diddy) is often very unsafe. if you want a slimmer kayak made for offshore look at the viking profish reload. people take outbacks offshore all the time though, with pedal drive at least.

>wanted to get into canoeing
>local clubs have a limited time to apply to be a member and let barely anyone in
>don't have space or storage to store an actual canoe
It's over

>>2832718
The Sea Eagle TC-16 Travel Canoe gets pretty good reviews. There are a bunch of YouTube videos about it. What's nice about it is that it will function more like a real canoe, not an inflatable pool toy. Even has real wooden seats. It's built the way inflatable paddle boards are. So it will be very rigid, not floppy. It's around $2,000. It comes in different packages. You can even get a package that comes with an installed 3rd seat. It has a 900lb capacity, so it's totally feasible to float 3 adults. It would make a great family boat. Whole thing weighs 65 lbs. So it's pretty heavy duty.

>>2832798
That's interesting, I haven't bothered looking at inflatable ones as I assumed they'd be shit but that one looks reasonable, cheers.

>>2832671
>>2832676
nice

>>2832798
> $2000
high end kevlars don't cost much more than that. op should just buy a used aluminum for $300-500 and find somewhere tos tore it. family, friend, pay someone a little monthly fee. anything. if you can spend 2k on something you can afford to pay storage fees.

My 1st born is coming soon so I am looking at canoes to take him fishing, I’ve used a friends Mad River journey 167 canoe before but I’m looking at the Old Town Saranac 146 as it seems to have a flatter bottom making it easier with younger kids. What’s your guys thoughts?

doing my first real tandem kayak ride with my ol lady in about a week. little shop that rents them out for about 2 hours (we live in an apartment so cant just buy a kayak for how much it'll get used). It'll be up in northern ontario, obviously wear a life jacket but do any of you experienced lads have some do's and dont's while out on the water? appreciate any tips or tricks

>>2833086
communicats. make sure both people know not to make erratic movements, and to keep shoulders and hips centered over the kayak as best as possible instead of leaning .you really only tip if you overreact. it can feel a bit sketchy at first if the passenger moves, but that's jsut because you aren't used to the feel. it probably won't actually tip unless you do something crazy. it's really not that complicated so just have fun and use common sense. currents are the most dangerous thing, even tiny rapids. granted this video is for canoes, but the fundamentals of paddle strokes still applies. it's a must for any canoeist or kayak beginner.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JvnRu0vJVA
>>2833080
regardless of hull shape I don't really like those styles of seats ina canoe. the benefit of a canoe, especially a symettrical hull design with normal canoe seats is that you can paddle stern first if need be for weight distribution and other reasons. a child is better sitting on a pad in the floor for lower center of gravity. they don't sit still. it's just safer and less tippy that way. plus you can have them right in front of you. I would never want a child under say aged 5(and mature) to be way up front where I can't quickly reach them. flatter bottom canoe are more stable, but it's really only initial stability anyways and it comes at the cost of manueverability. they all feel somewhat different and it's best to test models before buying. also, old towns are pretty overpriced when you can find aluminum grummans for cheap, but that's just my 2cent.

>>2833094
What canoe would you recommend?

>>2833105
unlike kayaks, canoes are either affordable with pretty outdated amterials, or extremely expensive with lightweight materials. there isn't much in between. you can find aluminum grummans on the used market for very cheap. the aluminum is pretty much the same weight as an old town. the aluminum can and willd ent if it hits something hard enough, where the old town will flex much easier, but go back to shape. the other benefit of the aluminum however is that it requires next to no maintenance at all. no uv protection, scratches aren't really an issue, only hard hits are the real risk. you can store them upside down outdoors as long as it's not under a tree where branches can fall adn dent it. but old towns or whatever else just make sure the model is symmetrical hull shape and has classic bench style seats. that way you can paddle stern forward if you ever need to. it's better to do that when solo, or if you have a small child sitting right at your feet on the floor, same concept. you're just a little bit closer to the center line that way since the stern seat is further back towards the end. paddling like that solo is a bitch in wind because your bow rides higher, often barely even down in the water at all.

>>2833094
appreciate it anon <3 yeah we've done some tandem kayaks just across stagnant ponds or whatever just never open water. I'll keep in mind the thing about the current

>>2810312 (OP)
im looking to get into kayaking, i tried it last summer on a rental and i liked it a lot. Im looking for it to sit 2 and a small cargo spot. Any recommendations? I dont really have a budget for it, hopefully less than $500 but im willing to adjust if needed

>>2833599
15-17ft aluminum canoes are easy to find cheap($200-500 depending on condition) and way better for 2+ people than a kayak. you have way more room between the two passengers. tandem kayak options are limited at that price because they're more niche. I'm sure you can find one on facebook marketplace but don't buy someone's beat to shit or sun faded kayak because people want msrp for them. hell, don't pay msrp for ANY used kayak. lowball people

>>2833632
im considering get 2 single sit-on kayaks instead: Evoke Trophy 126
275-300 msrp, would $200 be low enough?

>>2833599
Consider 2 kayaks instead of a tandem. I've done tandem kayaking before and it's not fun because one person can't really see or talk to the other easily, and of course the both of you have to go the same way at all times.

With 2 kayaks you can float alongside each other. That's so much better for relaxing than being in-line. You can easily share food, drinks, anything with each other. It's easier to talk. One of you can float the channel while the other hugs the bank, or takes an alternate course, whatever. You end up being able to carry a little more gear with 2 boats too. Each person feels more freedom.

The only reason why a tandem might be better is if you're exclusively paddling lakes with no current, then you'd get the benefit of two paddlers in one boat. But lakes are boring imo, I only do creeks and rivers.

>>2833599
>First,
What kind of water will you be in? Where will you kayak, small lakes, large lake, rivers, rivers with rapids, metro parks or national parks? You need to know what kind of water you will be in as this, more than anything determines the most appropriate kayak.
>Second,
What do you think your goals will be? Are you more interested in covering distance on flat water or a river with some rapids? Are you more interested in overnight trips or in a couple hours of exercise? Do you want to roll and do tricks? Do you just want to go fishing on the weekend? Do you want to fish at all?
>Third,
How big are you, what is your weight plus gear?
>Fourth
How will you transport it, do you need to put it on top of your car? How much can you lift over your head in a controlled fashion or do you want to put it in the bed of a truck?


Answer these questions before you start trying to figure out what to buy. If you want to roll or open water with larger waves, a recreational kayak is bad choice. To a person not in the know, some recreational kayaks look identical to touring kayaks but they are different in a number of ways. Material also makes a huge difference and are different ones are better at different things. The reality is that you have an extremely limited budget for getting into kayaking but if you're willing to buy off facebook marketplace, you can get a good kayak in your price range.

If you want 2 people plus gear for primarily medium sized lakes, a canoe is also worth considering.

>>2834222
1. small/large fresh water lakes (Norcal).
2. i mainly want it for exercise and occasionally fish.
3. im at 190lbs and my gear would be just what i need for a day out, so maybe a gallon of water, some sandwiches and basic fishing gear.
4. i can throw it on top of my suv, i checked some forums and people dont have problems with a 14' kayak on top with stock cross members (rated for 100lbs). I might end up getting some j-style carriers for the pair i want. I dont think ill have a problem at all with getting, say, a 50-80lb lb kayak up there, especially if i plan to have a friend with me.

>>2834433
Okay, so you want to exercise (paddle), will do calm flat water without the need to cover huge distance and want to fish.

You could go with a 10' recreational kayak and get by just fine although a 12' one with a more touring style will do better for you. If you aren't going to want to do kayak rolls and stunts, which you don't, and you definitely plan to fish, a sit on top fishing kayak will offer greater stability and likely have a slightly taller seating position if not the ability to stand up. Conversely, a sit in kayak will generally be much faster and better for exercise.

When you say exercise, I think of launching onto a small lake at sunrise and doing heavy paddling for an hour. A faster kayak that lets you feel some speed while letting you work on developing a good "high angle paddling" technique will be more enjoyable but potentially not as good for fishing. Obviously you're going to shop used. So, you'll find what you find and decide what has the best value. However, recommend based on new models:

https://oldtownwatercraft.johnsonoutdoors.com/us/shop/kayaks/fishing/loon-126-angler
>loon 126 angler, Old Town Angler, Old Town makes some recreational kayaks that also come in an "angler" configuration. The Loon is known for being comfortable and a pleasure to paddle. It has a bit of a dash board, dry storage in the back (not really super dry) and a flush mount rod holder.

https://wildernesssystems.confluenceoutdoor.com/en-us/products/pungo-120-recreational-kayak/9730509201
>Pungo 120, 12 foot kayak is a recreational kayak known to be comfortable and have good handling characteristics.

https://www.confluenceoutdoor.com/en-us/products/Carolina-120-Day-Touring-Kayak/9320205042?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=21337159347&gclid=CjwKCAjwhuHEBhBHEiwAZrvdciZ_mK1YsUpBe1BcIKlB2LBpf8cSYt2kkOnVhwojeD9rJP9sm-vVXBoCSbkQAvD_BwE
>Carolina 12' is an entry level touring kayak, known to be faster for its' size. Touring kayaks

>>2834445
>>2834433
Touring kayaks, as opposed to recreational kayaks, have dry bulk head storage (hatches) at the front and back. This lets you store more gear easily and if you flip, keep the boat more buoyant as only the cockpit fills with water, this makes entry and bailing easier. A touring style kayak would be a must for longer trips and a much better choice than recreational if you wanted to go out in open water like Lake Superior or in salt water. Keep in mind, with "dry storage" you still need to use dry bags as they are never perfectly dry.
Touring = faster more distance, larger water.
Recreation = more stable but slower, best for medium to small size lakes and calm rivers.

So, that is probably the type of kayak I would get if I were in your situation but don't discount 10' boats. The Old Town Angler XT10 is really good for an open cockpit recreational kayak, the liquid logic also makes a variety of sit on top kayaks and kayaks with removable chairs that are pretty nice for what they are:
https://liquidlogickayaks.com/pages/recreational-kayaks

For now, go look at facebook marketplace and see if you find something you like.
Also go research the difference in materials which include three main categories, Polyethalene, thermomolded and composite. Polyetheline is tougher but heavier. Thermomolded can have sharper better shapes but is more fragile. composite can also be more fragile but the main drawback is how expensive it is.

Then look at the difference between high angle and low angle paddling, along with the difference between euro paddle and greenland paddle. For exercise, I would recommend a narrower boat and using a high angle paddle. For fishing, I'd recommend a wide stable boat and maybe a pedal drive.

Hull design is another interesting topic, you get into primary and secondary stability, tracking characteristics, skegs, v-shape bows, chimes and how much arch is in the keel. It's all on youtube. Everything is a trade off.

>>2834445
>>2834446
Thanks for the info and the recs, ill consider them if i end up getting really into kayaking.

Just got back from guiding a lovely canoe trip. I am usually a kayak guy but man these big canoes are so relaxing.

>>2832676
this is so cool man

>>2835947
thanks i love it, really need to figure out the right skiff though so I can go ashore.

>>2835997
the most common one that i’ve seen online is rigid inflatable boat dinghys, also called RIB dinghys, that are propelled with an outboard.

but your boat may not have enough room for one? it seems you are sailing a pocket cruiser of some sort, so, an inflatable kayak would probably work better but it would be slow, and hauling supplies might be difficult. i imagine, too, that stability may not be as good in an inflatable kayak if there are wakes from other boats in the area or something

i’m not particularly experienced or knowledgeable though so it would be nice for others to weigh in

>>2836284
Ya seems like most people have a 6’ RIB skiff with small outboard that they tow behind. I have I think an 8’ inflatable with no rib so I can’t put an outboard on it and it is really difficult to inflate/deflate on board, I guess it works, I am just a lazy bitch and want something more convenient.

>>2836324
Is something like a Portland Pudgy too ugly for you?
If you want more classic lines check out a Wheelbarrow Dinghy

>>2836324
foldaboat?
they're kinda big but flat when collapsed and surprisingly sturdy when assembled

>>2836368
That would be perfect if I could fit it in beside my sailboat at the dock then I could just leave it there or tow it with me. Expensive though I will for something like that second hand.
>>2836376
Maybe, they make kayaks like that too I will watch some reviews.

200 replies in, almost sept and barely any sunsets. yall even tryin?

let me rectify my transgressions

Thinking of painting a new name on the back of this 14' Holder I have. Does it need to be a special type of paint to white out the old name and change?

>>2837492
just guessing, but the old paint is probably gelcoat so for a perfect match you'd want a gelcoat kit and mix the color up yourself. I haven't done it but for a small area it's probably not too difficult.
If you don't care about it being perfect then basically any paint will stick as long as you prep the surface well enough, scuff it with some 120 grit sandpaper then clean and dewax thoroughly.

>>2828450
plus they look so cool

Is Water Skiing a water sport?

>>2838857
Is pixel skiing?

>>2838857
idk why wouldn't it be? i've never done it, but it seems like something that requires a respectable amount of coordination to pull off.