Im exploring backcountry montana this weekend and didnt plan on dying what gun should I bring?

9 for the hoods 10 for the woods simple as

>>2825045 (OP)
Bear spray is better, but if you want to use a handgun a Smith & Wesson 629 is good. This video also has a lot of good info and is informed by real world attacks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0VnGuW1JVA

>>2825045 (OP)
my first question is how prepared are you to shove a .44magnum in your ass?
you need to catch these bears off guard if they see a gun they're gonna run but if you rip that shit your of your prison wallet? that bear is gonna be scared for life. it's gonna tell it's cubs about you

>>2825061
im convinced prison wallet guy refreshes catalog daily for bear threads

>>2825067
the ontl thread ive posted in recently from whay i remember is a fishing thread because i recently went fishing
been very busy with with irl and i usually hang out on /xs and /fit/

>>2825122
what the fuck esl tier dogshit did i just type up

>>2825045 (OP)
bears have been killed with 22. on svalbard the go to icebear gun is still surplus 6,5 krag, by most standards questionable for big game hunting but still the calibre thats probably taken down most polar bears. anything you can have will be better than nothing.

>>2825045 (OP)
It's always amusing how preppers will take anything except bear spray (which works the best at protecting yourself) just so that they can larp as badasses

>>2825135
>wake up at 1:35 am to some random mental patient milling around your campsite
>”good thing i brought my trusty bear spray hehe”
>deploy and use spray
>wind blows some back in your face, crazy guy
>get stabbed to death and your supplies taken
Many such cases

>>2825124
some boomer i once knew who been out everywhere in the northern hemisphere prefereed the good ole double barreled shotgun. one barrel with a slug, one with birdshot. if he needed dinner he had one shot at it, if he got attacked by a bear he had a slug if that didnt work it was birdshot in its face. rifle or gun wouldnt be better for bears since it happends so fast anyway, if its not down in two blows you are done. he tried pump and semi shotguns but there you always have the issue of not selecting what you can shoot, slug or birdshot, its the first round in the tube that goes first.

>>2825045 (OP)
Whatever firearm you're most familiar and accurate with. Can you land fast accurate shots on an ~8x8 target moving at you rapidly with a 9mm? If so, get some +p hardcast loads and carry with confidence- I honestly think the reason so many people start fudding out about needing a 500SW giga cannon is because most people fucking suck at shooting (especially under duress) and would rather get one mediocre hit with a huge damaging caliber than training enough to be able to land multiple accurate hits with a smaller, lighter weapon. Bear skulls aren't bulletproof for fucks sake. Also, bring bear spray. 9/10 times a bear doesn't want to fuck with you and spray alone will end any encounter. No need to kill the thing if it's just alarmed or acting defensive.

>t. Alaskan who carries both bear spray and a G19 innawoods

>>2825045 (OP)
Enjoy the snow, just use best spray.

>>2825143
>Many such cases
not a one.

>>2825045 (OP)
>Im exploring backcountry montana this weekend
A man doesn't step on the lot unless he's ready to buy

>>2825124
There is a big difference between shooting a predatory but relatively slow and calm polar bear vs shooting an apeshit inland grizzly that’s charging at you through thick brush

>>2825045 (OP)
No, a lot of reply’s in this thread say one of two things one:“just use bear spray” this is good advice, bear spray generally works best especially for people less confident with firearms. The second answer:“yes there’s been bears killed with .22s even.” This is retarded, mabye one guy took his American 180 and filled a little black bear with enough lead to take it down. That being said polar bears and grizzly’s have been found with 9mm and lower caliber rounds, or even buckshot in their chests and skulls that have been there for years. They have an insane natural defense, if your not going with bear spray choose a magnum round, or atleast a 10mm

>>2825135
Angry mama bears don't feel no pain

>>2825511
Lucky guy, I want to be friends with the bears too.

You are not Johnny cowboy or whatever larpfest you are dreaming up in your cooked head, if you get into a bad encounter it will be at close range out of nowhere and assuming you even have time to draw and fire, and nothing else goes wrong with your gun, you assuredly will not fire accurately or lethally with a pistol and you will only aggro the bear further

Near point blank bear spray down the nose throat and eyes of a bear is 100x as agonizing and de-aggroing to a bear than any gun

>>2825045 (OP)
"Take down", sure, if you get enough shots in. But it won't be quick.
If you want a deterrent, take bear spray and know how to use it.
If you want to carry a gun, just pick whatever color is your favorite.
Either way, if you know nothing about grizz, avoid their territory.

>>2826159
Yes they do. Also if you don't shoot a grizzly in the right spots there's no guarantee it'll turn around let alone die lmao
>b-b-but i'm a marksman dude
You're going to be shaking like a terrified baby when you see a grizzly charging you from 50ft away at 20mph+

>>2826460
Fuck that nigga i shhot his ass fine

>>2825045 (OP)
>9mm
>bear

No. The answer is no. You will make it angry.

>>2825135
Ive seen my german shepherd eat ghost pepper chicken wings and be absolutely unphased

After seeing that, there is no fucking way I trust my life with pepper spray

If an animal is sufficiently motivated it can 100% ignore than shit

>>2826481
>my german shepherd
spray it in the face with a can of bear spray to test.

>>2826483
I used to use OC spray on my food for fun, I ate those wings. Those were some kickass wings. That dog didn't give a shit.

>>2826485
cool story Bro. You should still spray your dog in the face to see if he cares

>>2826487
Really sad you thought you were informing somebody about heat with this image

I am an enthusiast

If an animal wants to ignore it, it will

>>2826489
>still didnt blast his dog in the face with bear spray
try on it on yourself next time johhny.

>>2826517
I have :^)

>>2826627
that explains the retardation

>>2826644
I said I was an enthusiast

>>2826371
>stares back you

>>2825511
>it's like love at firstsight, gddmnt
how many apples does it really take for a bear to get these feels?

any anon know if a dog whistle would work?
do there be bear whistles or such?

>>2825804
It's all about shot placement. If you put a .22 into lungs the animal will die. That said if a bear is facing you you aren't going go get a lung shot.

>>2825135
If a bear threatens you with violence and you kill the bear do you get to peel it and use the peel and eat the flesh. Or does government force you to let it rot and feed the ants and maggots?

>>2827742
>work
its not going to scare away a charging bear. it would alert the bear to your presence well before you see it which ideally would make it move on but it would be annoying as fuck blowing a whistle every 100 yards. I've never heard of a bear whistle. Noise in general is highly uselful in alerting the bear to your presence. I just sing, curse and burp when I hike alone lol.

>>2827900
>be bear
>hear hiker screaming I DONT WANT TO WORK I WANT TO BANG ON THE DRUMS ALL DAY
>eat him

>>2825045 (OP)
The best way to not get mauled by a bear is to be trail aware and simply avoid any contact.

Bring bear spray. It won't be 100% but it should be your first option if you have time. Keep it drawable with your non dominant hand and know how to use it, like the extended spray range and don't spray upwind like a dumbass.

Your chances are not 100% with 9mm. If you must bring 9mm, bring hard cast bullets. Preferably bring 10mm for a decent sized semiauto cartridge with similar muzzle energy to .45. You can also bring a revolver, hut remember when selecting a cartridge you need to be able to aim several shots accurately and quickly, and in the worst case with only one hand. An enraged bear or a mama with cubs will fight to the death and they have decently thick hides.

Ideally a shotgun with Brenneke slugs would be your preferred option, but it is not very carryable while walking.

>>2825135
Ok, Diane Feinswine. To the shower you go.

For me, it's 5.56 against mountain lions.

>>2828058
Forgot to add green tip, in case they try to take cover behind cinder blocks or wear old soviet helmets. Fuck mountain lions.

>>2825045 (OP)
https://youtu.be/o0VnGuW1JVA?si=bF7HB5Hn-UDrpUrq
This was a good video about the matter, goes over a bunch of bear encounters and what handguns were used vs which had a better success rate

>>2827879
You have two options:
a) You don't report the bear. If you leave it to rot nobody will likely care. If you harvest it and get caught you'll be prosecuted as a poacher. In fact they might do that regardless if you fail to report it since killing an animal is usually seen as a last resort and doing it recklessly is an illegal offense. Especially if it's a protected animal like Grizzlys.

b) You report the bear. Game warden comes out and verifies. Depending on the state and warden he may let you harvest it, let animals eat it, or take it to local butchery and donate it for some charity shit

>>2825045 (OP)
Yes and no.
>If you will shoot a bunch of bullets in it, will it die eventually?
Yes, probably.
>If it comes charging towards you, and you unload a clip in it, will it actually stop the bear in time before it gets you?
There is a fair chance that won't happen...

So it kinda depends on what your definition of "take down" is. Can you hunt and kill a bear with it? Yes, sure. It is a good last moment defense against a charging bear? No, absolutely not.

>this fucking thread AGAIN
9mm is the bare minimum even among the "how small of a bullet can i use to kill this thing" guys.

Tards will say that .22 has been used to kill bears. Those were either aimed shots where the bear wasn't looking, or they were extremely luck. Cross-tipped spears and bows were used to drive bears to extinction in England, so why not carry one of those?

There is a growing cult of 10mm enthusiasts who are currently writing scathing replies to this comment. They think it's the perfect round. It's probably fine, but it's not a huge round. You still need to be able to aim normally and get that head/heart shot.

Killing the bear isn't the issue. You can kill an elephant with a .22 but it will take hours. If you see a grizzly, it's usually because you startled it in the woods and you're within its sprinting distance. You have a few seconds to draw, aim, and fire. It only needs a few seconds to get one bite or paw swipe in, and you'll at least be crippled.

Most bullets will hurt enough that a grizzly will choose to fuck off. Why would you let it choose?

A magnum is a "fudd gun" according to the cultists. It is the conventional method of bear defense. It will stop forward movement and hurt vastly more than smaller rounds. It will cause enough hemorrhaging that the bear will bleed out faster than with smaller rounds. "b-b-but muh firing speed" you're not shooting a bill drill and this isn't Dark Souls. You get a single-digit number of shots and if the bear is still moving toward you when you fire them then it wins. "b-b-but why not a rifle" can't carry those everywhere, they weigh more, and you can't draw them quickly.

>>2825135
I've been hit with a full face of OC spray, which is by design hotter than bear spray. It took me about 2 minutes before I was really incapacitated and needed help. How much, do you think, could a huge wild animal do with 2 minutes?

>>2829443
sounds like 9mm glock with a switch might be the move

>>2829446
Yes, the clear solution here is to dump your whole mag into the canopy in .05 seconds so the bear can continue unimpeded in removing you from the gene pool and raising the average intelligence of our species, ever so slightly.

>>2829444
Nice larp, kid. Bear Spray is proven to work and there's plenty of videos showing it. Have fun missing your shots as a brown bear charges you at 30mph from 50feet away

>>2829443
You're just pulling shit out of your ass. 9mm is fine for a bear provided you have good shot placement. Using the proper type of bullets helps too.
See: https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=388

>>2829444
>OC spray
What is that?

>>2829444
>which is by design hotter than bear spray.
its not tho.

https://counterassault.com/blogs/resources/bear-spray-vs-pepper-spray

Moreover, bears' sense of smell is 2000x greater than humans so the affects to the bear are much more pronounced.

>>2825045 (OP)
I live in Montana near the Beartooths. I shit you not, a bear raided my neighbor's garbage last night. Was fucking sick, this 400lb bear was sitting on his ass in the rain like a fat fuck at the bus station, just eating garbage. I lit him up with a bike light and he just looks up from an old yogurt container like, "excuse you, I'm busy." I had the light pointed directly where I had the slingshot drawn and watched the steel shot connect with his paw. I followed him down the road about 100 ft, he turned around, and I beaned him again, then 100ft later he turned again I managed to land another. He kept running well out of sight. Hopefully that fucker is terrified of people now, because I actually love bears and a bear that fears people is a bear that stays alive.

There's no point to that story, I just felt badass. Anyway leave your gun at home, use your brain first and bear spray as a final resort. A 9mm isn't enough stopping power to kill a grizz. Don't camp on game trails, string your food up in a tree a good distance from your camp, don't cook where you sleep, if you're in a thicket announce your presence, etc. You'll probably be alright. But for fucksake if a grizzly starts fucking with your camp site, even in the middle of the night, it's time to leave.

>>2829514
Brother, why would you bother with some fuckin slingshot in Montana? Why not just kill it?

>>2825188
>Bear skulls aren't bulletproof
Reminded me about
https://youtu.be/SrRhFdyBWEc?si=CpJHJ4gGdNKDxjkL

>>2829481
>provided you have good shot placement
I dunno man, I WANT to call you a stupid fag and laugh at you for agreeing with me while trying to argue with me, but I get the feeling you won't understand why it's so funny

>>2829500
the pepper spray police use. Some people just don't react because they're not sensitive to it, some people are like me and have a minute or two before it gets unbearable.

Buffalo boar and hornady make hardcast lead +p ammunition. It's been done before, and if a 9mm is all you have, it's not a bad option.