>plan a camping trip with 4 friends where we're going to hit some trails
>i drive us 8 hours to the campground we're gonna stay at
>they're all saying how excited they are to do all of these trails
>get there - eat food
>they sleep
>think "ahh probably just exhausted from that car ride"
>go out on my own do a trail, have some beers and sleep
>next day
>make breakfast
>1 hour after breakfast they sleep
>well i'm not going to sit around and sleep
>go do a few trails on my own
>come back - they're still sleeping
>i get hungry so i make some food
>they wake up and sit on their phones
>"so what are we eating"
>end up making tacos for everyone, don't mind because i like cooking on the fire
>we eat and i say "do you guys wanna go to x trail nearby that leads to the beach for the sunset?"
>takes them forever to get ready, miss sunset
>they complain about mosquitos biting them the whole time
>"YEAH GREAT IDEA ANON WTF"
>get back to the site seething, tired but have some beers by the fire and try to hang out
>12am rolls around
>anon you're sleeping already wtf?

repeat this for the next 2 days. on the bright side, i got out and got to see some stuff and take some nice pictures

I would like to hear stories of your disappointing /out/ trips and/or failed group trips.

>>2826459 (OP)
>grow up with a buncha redneck bros that always talked about going on badass adventures with
>always do cool stuff in the woods with the bros, surely the big adventures are to come
>we get older
>everyone gets a job and a family
>adventures cease entirely, not even the small ones
>the big adventures will never actually happen
>my bros were all talk
>now im out going it alone
>maybe ill find a fellow traveler thats like me
>I probably wont

Its grim

I've been camping with people like this, it's absolutely miserable. If all you're going to do is sit on your phone, sleep, and drink, then just fucking stay home

>>2826459 (OP)
Only go /out/ with people exactly like you or better. If you go camping with retard normies, you're going to have a retard normie camping trip.

>>2826497
I cant believe how many people pay campsite fees just to sit around and drink beer all day. Like, you can do that in your backyard you fucking drunk

>>2826497
yeah i've come to realize that. it just blows my mind that they wanted to go all of the way there just to not even see anything the location had to offer us. i dont understand how you can just blob around all day and not even try to stay up

>>2826473
I wish I had a fellow traveller to do out stuff with! Except I'm fat and nobody will go slow enough.
ultra-grim

>>2826473
That's life man. I'm lucky if I can get my friends to drive 2 miles across town to hang out on a Friday. A camping trip would ruin their life because they can't bring their PC to the woods

>>2826526
just stay in a cabin and bring ur laptops
hike during the day
rent a cabin with a firepit

>>2826459 (OP)
I do not do serious camping stuff with others. Absolutely not. Every time i tried it sucked. If i do any out thing with any one ever again itll be something close to home and ill go in expecting to hardly do any serious hiking.

>>2826459 (OP)
>>2826473
>realize my friends aren't that into going outside and doing shit innawoods
>stop asking them and go by myself
>still hang out with them a handful of times a year because we're old but we're still good friends just our lives are now different
wow that was hard. why do people like (you) need other people to have around you doing the same shit? grow up retards

>>2826551
I'm not that anon but doing things with people is typically more fun, especially if they're good friends.

>>2826561
Maybe I'm wrong, but a lot of people here seem like they have to do the hardest, longest thing possible to prove yourself, and maybe your friends are more casual hikers and don't want some multi-day 6000+ ft elevation gain monstrosity of a trip or even a 2000 ft elevation gain 12 mi hike in one day. Maybe you pick easier stuff and stay in a cabin and don't like rush off and hike the first day but stay overnight the first night, cook them all a hearty breakfast, and set off for a moderate day hike and build in time to hike and time to chill they would want to come along.

>>2826551
>friends express they want to go out
>go with friends out
>they dont wanna go out

it's not a hard concept. maybe you have no friends that have expressed wanting to go on a trip with you and i'd understand why.

>>2826562
you're totally off here pal. this isn't some iron man bushcraft sweat you die shit here, literally a camping trip in a cabin and doing a few trails together, not sure if you even read anything before sperging out

>>2826459 (OP)
those are not friends they're retards. i have some of them too, i also have some very good out friends with whom i go on a lot of adventures.
>I would like to hear stories of your disappointing /out/ trips and/or failed group trips.
i have this one friend, we shall call him turk.
I have so many stories about him...
Once he told me to meet him in huddersfield. (note: i have no car i had to get the train, it cost a lot and was a lengthy route with many changes) but he actually meant hillsborough, 30 miles away. there is no train to hillsborough. it took him 3 hours to get to huddersfield. (reminder: only 30 miles away, which means he somehow drove an average of 10 miles an hour) I am pretty sure he just winged the route and made it 100 miles longer.
1/3

>>2826578
so this was a totally different time, me and turk have found ourselves out late without a good camping spot. this has happened many times before and i fucking hate it. it is the shittiest least relaxing thing - looking for a camping spot in the dark. i have informed turk that i never again want this to happen. turk assures me that our mate, who i will call "posh", knows a good camping spot, we will meet up with posh, and he will show us a good camping spot, so no stress, it might be night but he has somewhere ideal for us in the woods. so ok, no big deal .......... we meet posh, we enter the woods, and we've been walking for a while, so i ask posh:
>"so where's this camping spot of yours then?"
posh responds:
>"i dunno i'm just walking"
...
you can imagine my face.
posh never told turk he had a camping spot, he just said he "might know some woods" ... turk extrapolated from this that posh had a perfect camping spot for us ....... so we were now, again, traipsing through the night, tired, looking for somewhere to pitch our tents in the dark, for the millionth time.
eventually we find a very ok spot even with a big log to sit on, we pitch our tents around it and sit on the log and make some food, then turk exclaims he is hurt somehow, i tell him it was just a thorn, there's some thorny bushes nearby, then again, turns out, there's a wasps nest in the log.
so his perfect spot was total bullshit and he lead us to a wasps nest to camp on.

>>2826579 <--- was 2/3 btw
I will tell you about scotland now. this was the trip which completely put me off ever camping with him again.
my scottish mate had found a beautiful spot, a sandy beach on a river, totally idylic. spend a week preparing for this with turk, fully intending to just spend a week relaxing by the river, maybe do a little hike here and there, but a week of stress will be ok, right? because i will get to relax at the end of it, right??

turk insists on making erbswurst for the trip, he has no idea how to do this and we are often up late after work, trying to make his stupid fucking pea-sausage, even driving accross town to find dried peas (they taste like shit) eventually it falls on me to make this stupid thing because he is failing, so i spend days drying out what he has made (which was not erbswurst and was more like bacon mixed with hard dried-pea chunks, it will go off if not dried because it is hot) and I make a pea-bacon jerky thing, it takes days and hours and hours of drying every night ... he doesn't like it and doesn't eat it on the trip.
I make some flapjack in like 20 minutes and he loves it and it basically fuels us for the whole trip ...
so we get to the spot and i have massively over-packed and am dying, but i think this is fine, because we will be able to relax for a week by the river.
we get there, it is beautiful, i pitch, then one of my mates who is only staying one night wants to go on a hike so i go with him, despite being exhausted, really looking forward to just crashing out and sleeping afterwards. but on my way back to the spot in the evening turk calls us and tells us he wants to move camping spot, because he can see a small power pylon on a road from the river side ... i nearly fucking murder him.
he assures us he has an EVEN BETTER spot, just a short hike away!
tl;dr it was not better and we got kicked out of it and had to hike many more miles out of the entire valley with tons of gear.that's not even everything.
3/3

>>2826580
contd.
we hike for hours and miles with all that gear because turk can't pick us up from the spot he dropped us off at. his idylic and perfect spot was a private valley infested with rangers and jannies.
BUT turk insists he has a good spot that he and posh have camped at before, so we drive for hours through idyllic countryside with stags standing enigmatically on rock outcrops and waterfalls and beautiful camping spots everywhere, to his perfectly good spot, keep in mind, in scotland you have "right to roam" which means unless someone tells you to fuck off you can stay anywhere for one night ... we get to turk's spot, it is a fucking dog walker park with rubbish everywhere and he has no fucking idea where he camped last time and ALL the ground is slanted, the whole thing is on a hillside, and we once again, traipse through the night looking for a spot, one of my calmest mates who is with us is even pissed off at this point, i have never ever seen him angry before.
oh btw turk had bought like 5kgs of chicken, but not cooked it, and it all went off.
he also had a lavvu tent that was not waterproof at all and it got soaked.
the worst part was he had us hiking out of places at meal times so it was doubly exhausting. i literally didn't eat dinner for days.
later in the trip we stop at a seaside beach to finally cook dinner and as we are leaving to go to the camping spot, the whole convoy is driving out but then turk finds a net and gets out of the car and starts trying to catch a fish for dinner ... he has no idea how to fish, or what kind of fish are in the area (none, he catches nothing and only delays us camping even more)

in conclusion, fuck turks. if someone fucks up on a camping trip twice, write them off. never rely on them or their plans. once is an accident, so tell them about it, if they do not rectify their ways, twice is simply negligence/retardation- red flag.

>been doing /out/ literally all my life
>start getting my friends into it
>plan just a quick overnighter
>temperature drops over night, snow begins to fall
>my dumbass friends just run in place because they couldn't start the fire back up instead of waking me up
>i wake up completely oblivious to the antics

and somehow they blame me for being cold

i generally have to tard-wrangle my brother when we go /out/ together. it hasn't happened since the VT eclipse, which was a step up in logistical difficulty and weather conditions, but IRL got in the way. i started planning in october 2023 and it was great, we made it to the center of totality camping for free, perfect weather.
>often brings 12-packs of beer in glass bottles
>the alternative is a glass bottle of madeira wine
>constantly running out of cigarettes and alcohol
>i also smoke and drink but at like 1/3 the rate
>inexplicably throws out water used for sous vide cooking
>"i'll just melt snow for drinking water" - it's my fuel and fuel bottle
>takes like an hour to clean up dinner and move a bear canister away from camp, in the green mtns in early spring
>hiking any distance is generally not an option, best case is going 0.25 mi off trail, setting up camp, and exploring in a small radius
>at least he has a reliable tent and sleeping bag
>he's also reasonably good at building fires
>he's diligent about applying permethrin to clothes
>but he snores extremely loudly

i get that he's a poor wagie who can't afford to drop $1000 on fancy ultralight gear but that's a non-issue. i'm happy to lend him spare gear like ditty cubes, 2nd table from the old cascade wild bundle, spare fuel bottle, etc. and my mother happily buys him safety gear like a bear canister.

i learned yesterday that he puts no thought into his backpacking setup. the main problem is an apparent lack of motivation and curiosity, and the result is that i'm pretty much responsible for everything except his shelter and carrying half the food. i should ask him to take some freezer bags and put all his clothes in a gallon; electronics, toiletries, 1st aid, and shitting in quarts; and money, keys, and small essentials in snack bags.

>>2826580
> eventually it falls on me to make this stupid thing because he is failing
>on my way back to the spot in the evening turk calls us and tells us he wants to move camping spot, because he can see a small power pylon on a road from the river side
Have you considered not being a pushover?
Just because Turk failed at making erbswurst, doesn't mean you need to take over - let him fail and just make the shit you know you enjoy.
Just because Turk wants to move the camp, doesn't mean you need to say yes - tell him to fuck off, you're tired from hiking all day and you just want to enjoy your prepared camp site by the river.

>>2826459 (OP)
>be me, avid camper
>have one cardinal rule after a bad trip one time - never go without your own gear on a whim
>hanging out at buddy’s apartment a few days as my car is in the shop and it’s walking distance to work
>invites me camping for the weekend
Gee idk bro I don’t have my gear
>nah man it will be chill his girlfriend has loads of camping equipment
>friends with both pretty well and basically stranded for the weekend so say fuck it
>just need a knife to borrow (they are so damn handy camping)
>ride out to the middle of nowhere maybe 2 hours away
>crash pretty hard the first night, uncomfortable without my own gear but got a tent and a blanket
>next day
>apparently dude and his girl got into a big fight the night before, slept right through it
>go to some swimming hole in the afternoon. Drive was long but otherwise kino.
>drive more
>it’s fine along for the ride, but getting a little more irritated at these two, it’s like they’ve gone feral personality wise
>they are either fighting or fucking
>3am I get woken up by their fighting
>bro is being a massive baby about something saying he wants to leave right this instant
>hits her a few times
>tell him to shut the fuck up im sleeping
>starts directing his anger at me saying he will beat my ass
>tell him I will stab him if he doesn’t shut the fuck up
>get out of tent, tell him to calm down
>he tackles me
>stab him in the kidney and twist
>shit settles down after that
>still pissed as fuck
>call the sheriff - he doesn’t get there until day break
>tell sheriff what happened
>he’s like godamnit you might be in trouble
>nobody wants to press charges on anyone
>sheriff drops me off at the county court
>find a way back home via uber and friends eventually
Pic related

>>2826459 (OP)
>hike with many girls almost 15
>only 3 boys ( include me )
>girls just want all things prepared so well from me and the boys
>we bring all girls things in our carrier
>they bring 0 shit and they said We're too tired to do this
>me and the boys build tent
>girls talk to us why you not build tent for us too?
>we boys build it and then they just cooking & eat for themself
>and they do not fuckin cooking for us after all of that
Please do not go to outdoor with many girls is just burden.

>>2826490
You could do it in your cul de sac too.

>>2826824
>friends with both pretty well
>ends up getting tackled over nothing and stabbing the guy
great friendship

>>2826967
just some brotherly love anon, all bros go crazy and stab each other after a night in the woods

>>2826824
You are going to get acquainted with your county's DA.

>>2826824
kek
murrica: the post
a failed state of me me me hair trigger psychotics

>>2826490
Some people see camping as an opportunity to relax like a vacation, not me ofc but I know many people who just think of it like owning a cheap little cabin in the woods.

I recognize I'm more hardcore so I just expectation set. Personally, I think anon's story sounds fine. I do what I wanna do, they can sit at camp if that's their jam.

Maybe anon needs to find a few people he can up the game with and push into more hardcore territory. I have found once you're in the true outdoor space (past simple backpacking) you find a lot more people who are looking to tackle after objective-based outdoors activities.

personally, not really worthy of a value judgement and incredibly retarded or maybe just immature to think of things that way.

>>2826824
>literally stab a guy
kek jesus christ man. could've just wrestled him down and punched him a few times