Thread 2826826

>a billionaire can prevent you from going to epic wilderness

Sign says "private property, no access to public land"

>>2826826 (OP)
Happened today, was trying to get into Rattlesnake Canyon in Colorado

Hundreds of caves and arches and 1000ft-2000ft cliffs awaited me

But a rich guy cockblocked me

>>2826828
>a rich guy cockblocked me
>didnt look at a map first
Why not just use the established trails to get there?
https://www.visitgrandjunction.com/blog/post/how-to-find-the-amazing-arches-of-rattlesnake-canyon/

>>2826826 (OP)
>noooo why can't I just ruin this guys privately own land and road that he maintains at his own cost
It's amusing how people seem to think it's cheap or easy to maintain private roads like this. If you want public access go back to the forest service roads where you can enjoy the most horrid maintained roads full of ruts and giant rocks.
>>2826832
Because he's a fucking retarded tourist most likely

>>2826832
>oh yes just start 10 miles away because somebody wanted a fucking batcave and bought both sides of the road

No man is entitled to this

You hate freedom

I look forward to all 150 of your posts trolling about prostituting our nature being morally correct, the southwest is specifically retarded when it comes to private property and often the state privatizes things in order to blur the lines and bypass your rights, many things that would be easements are not because of this.

>>2826834
>Noooo you have to use this very specific parking lot 20 miles away with a permit and you can only do it exactly how they want you to do it

Might as well google pictures of the place and call it a day.

>>2826835
>is slightly inconvienenced
>is communist
>tells others they hate freedom
lmao

>>2826837
I have a realistic understanding of what freedom is, you do not.

No man is above another, simple as this. Nature is always superior to whatever silly selfish desire you conjure up for yourself.

Enjoy your hello kitty island adventure you fucking dipshit pussies

You merely simulate freedom

>>2826838
>I have a realistic understanding
Imagine being this delusional lol. Cucked by his own retardation. many such cases. Sad!

>>2826840
Cope, you're a selfish rat and nothing more. All will be lost in your attempt to save yourself, coward.

https://www.wilderness.org/articles/blog/congress-making-more-250-million-acres-public-lands-available-sale

It's about to get so, so, so much worse

https://www.wilderness.org/articles/media-resources/250-million-acres-public-lands-eligible-sale-senr-bill

Interactive map

>>2826841
>seething gibberish as cope
You are literally sperging out because you didnt look at a map first. You deserve all the misfortune that comes to you. holy fuck what a retard

>>2826842
>got pulled entirely from the bill
please try and keep up

>>2826845
Is this true? Please be true.
>>2826844
No no no, no wilderness is accessible solely from one tiny little hobbit hole. This is wrong. This is incorrect. This is tyranny. I have the birthright as an American to penetrate wilderness however I wish.

You are a spineless cretin.

On the bright side, the 45 mile bike ride was absolutely beautiful.

I will not be gatekept from the wilderness of the southwest.

Bezos will just have to shoot me as I adventure into his lands.

Being from Appalachia, my spirit quite simply cannot accept the concept of private property, not when it results in restriction of the wilderness.

You cannot take it from me without killing me. Go ahead, shoot, I'll smile and wave.

I will adventure this entire fucking country. You can't stop me you can only send me to my maker.

Fuck you.

>>2826835
>>2826836
National Parks may be more your speed if you're looking for something you can drive directly up to and step into from the parking lots.

>>2826846
>Is this true?
It was pulled like 4 days ago and confirmed yesterday. How did you miss the 3 threads already up on /out/ about it for the past 2 weeks?

>>2826851
I haven't driven in years. Bicycle/walking for everything.

>>2826852
Been having fun anon, this is very good news.

>>2826851
>>2826854
And by the fucking way, your comment is dumb as fuck.

Cars are practically required to go to the wilderness because of private property fags.

I have to do half of an ironman because these queer ass bitches put up gates.

>>2826838
>conflating nature with equality
You're a retarded faggot, the gazelle does not get to eat the lion. Nature is inequality and competition.

>>2826856
>>2826854
Then you should have no issue with walking 10-20mi to get into the trail. Once again, what is it? Do you want direct access to the side of mountains and wilderness or do you want to protect nature and keep roads away from it? Answer the question faggot.

>>2826848
This guy got it

Deuteronomy 11:24: "Every place on which the sole of your foot treads shall be yours:

>>2826867
It's fine that they live there. But they shouldn't be able to put that gate up. They have no right to do that. Simple as.

If you are born in America you have the right to walk into the wilderness. It is a transgression on your birthright to have to go to a specific parking lot 20 miles away from where you seek to go. You are being trampled on.

>>2826866
Fag

>>2826871
>If you are born in America you have the right to walk into the wilderness. It is a transgression on your birthright to have to go to a specific parking lot 20 miles away from where you seek to go. You are being trampled on.
Show me in the bill of rights where this is stated, faggot. You can't because it's not there, faggot. Quit bitching about having to hike into the trail and just do it. Right to Roam was never a right in America and never will be. Get your head out of your ass.

>>2826872
Right to roam surpasses any money grubbing ideal you could ever have

I'm not afraid, I grew up trespassing and getting shot at.

I will explore America. The way it was meant to be explored.

You're a gutless bitch.

Who fuckin' knows if this is some rancher's privately maintained driveway or a Westfag who bought property on both sides of a publicly maintained egress before putting up an illegal gate. You picked the most retarded of three choices - 1. Be a Nietzsche-brained Chad and trespass. 2. Find a way to your destination without trespassing. or 3. Cry about it on the internet.

You picked they gayest option, Anon.

>>2826874
Keep being a redditor that seeks to downplay things by wrapping them into packages you're just a gay bitch

I'm letting people know this is bullshit. They've been cucked. Our freedoms are bigger than this.

>>2826838
I want freedom too...I want the freedom to keep retards like you off my property.

>>2826877
You do. With you own personal self. These are the laws of nature, and they are the only true laws. These terms are fine.

>>2826879
>internet tough guy
I'd be happy to shoot you. I would prefer not to have to kill you. It would be a lot easier if you just abided by the law. Do you you really want to die? Or would it be better just to go ten miles down the road and access it from there? Are you really going to die on the hill of some dime-store philosophy lmao.

>>2826880
That's your deal bud, I'm gonna keep enjoying nature

>>2826881
>dies
>that's your deal
lmao

>>2826880
I'm your huckleberry

>>2826886
Oh yeah I'll totally have an opinion on the matter if you've ended me lol

>>2826889
i'll make sure you have plenty of time to think about your choices in life

>>2826893
That's crazy, man

You're supposed to trespass

>>2826828
just claim you can't read

>>2826828
Just fucking shoot him. Who's going to find out?

>>2826880
It's hard to be tough when you get sniped coming down your driveway. Should've kept your attitude in check. Nothing of value lost.

>>2826877
This.
>itt poor fags who can’t afford land of their own
It’s the socialist mind virus at work.

>>2827027
we all know your mom isn't going to buy you a real gun or drive you out there son.

would be a shame if someone took bolt cutters to that gate

>>2826836
Alltrails and the internet seem to suggest there's two ways - a long ass 15 mi rt hike, or a 4wd access road that's only open certain times of year

if you are saying the access road is now totally closed off and this isn't doable:

https://www.alltrails.com/trail/us/colorado/cedar-tree-arch-east-rim-arch-and-bridge-arch

ok but the internet says you can do a shorter hike - and its 5 mi but pretty minimal elevation you just have to drive a really rough road to get there that's gated and only open seasonally

>>2827027
>>2827026
pls no mean posting stop it not okay no bad

>>2826873
You have no right to roam in the US. Shut the fuck up your loser as larper. You probably don't even go outside.

>>2826826 (OP)
There's an ongoing situation in my area where a richfag bought a big piece of land with a Forest Service road through it and put a gate on the road, even thought it's an easement that's legally supposed to remain open to the public. There are reports that his goons have actually taken potshots at people who've managed to get onto the road one way or another too. Always makes me wonder what'd happen if they did that to a guy who just happened to have a scoped .308 in his truck and he responded in self-defense with something a little more direct than their intimidation shots.

>>2827153
The retards along the narrows hike in Texas will call the cops on you even if you're not trespassing.

>>2827051
We the people can vote for change

>>2827172
Um I got stopped twice by store employees because they thought I was stealing a bag of ice (I had paid 10 minutes prior to a diff cashier then gone to the mcdonalds next door to eat) - and then again because my credit card didn't take for a 3 dollar bag of tortilla chips and they had to run it again - people are willing to chase you down and get police involved for 3 dollars worth of merchandise - america is a conservative hellhole where nobody is friendly

I do wonder how this trespassing hysteria started - I see all these signs "no turnaround! private drive!" like are you really that negatively affected by people turning around in your driveway that you need to threaten violence over it?

>>2827182
Most Americans probably have no clue that other countries have right to roam

We can heal this sick selfish culture

>>2827182
If it happened several times a day, every day. Yes, absofuckinglutely.

Some people just want to be left alone, and it’s getting harder and harder, and more expensive to have isolation. No matter where you go some cunty faggot shows up to pester you it seems.

>>2827189
>pester you
by turning around in your driveway?
americans get violent and call police at the drop of a hat it's so sad
and employees will risk a fight for 3 dollars of merch that isn't even there

>>2827185
people have this canard about how it would cause liability lawsuits to let people on their land, but that's bullshit. I hope when I die the laws are different. It's just so unfriendly.

Remember the concept of no trespassing didn't exist before the civil war

>>2827189
“Each man’s private property is henceforth protected by the whole community, and, moreover, subject to its authority: the right which the individual has to his own estate is always subordinate to the right which the community has over all. Otherwise, the enjoyment of this right would be feeble and illusory.” - Jean-Jacques Rosseau

>>2827191
og neolib

>>2827190
Yes random fucking cunty twats coming up my driveway to turn around would be absolutely fucking rage inducing.
You must live in a city or something.. people out here do so specifically to be left alone. People like you just don’t get it.

>>2827194
i think insane people should just be put down if you are THIS territorial you are the wrong dna to continue living
sometimes people go the wrong way and need to turn around - they aren't trying to hurt you

>>2827194
>my driveway is 10 miles long and maintained by the state

>>2827196
I saw a sign today to the tune of "if you connect your driveway to the road you need a state permit"
everyone wants a cut - though I had fun imagining enterprising hillbillies making their own roads and fucking the state

>>2827196
No, it’s 200 yards and clearly marked as a private driveway and no trespassing. I don’t care what google maps says, fuck off.

>>2827198
you aren't being harmed at all by people taking 5 seconds to turn around

>>2827194
Don’t conflate wanting quietude and privacy to being afraid.

>>2827198
Why are you even here you live in the suburbs with that bitchass baby driveway nobody would ever need to turnaround or use it for access to public lands you shitty poor faith argument loser

>>2827199
I want privacy. I bought land for just that reason. Maybe one day you’ll own some of your own and understand.

>>2827202
Road =/= Driveway

>>2827201
Nah, f2 zoned acreage, my urban dwelling zoomer friend.

God is gonna laugh at all the ranchers in the southwest that think they can own rivers, he'll whip out old dead comedians and just clown them for eternity

>>2827202
so stay in your home, literally all you are being asked is to not get violent with people at the drop of a hat

>>2827198
>OH MY SCIENCE IS THAT A LOST LESBIAN TURNING AROUND IN HER SUBARU?
>HONEY QUICK LET ME OUT OF MY GIMP CAGE SO I CAN IMPOTENTLY GLOWER AT THEM!

>>2827051
>You have no right to roam in the US
Lmao, cuck nation, golem ranch

>>2828292
Unintelligible mutt speak.
Please go outside. I'm begging you. You need to touch grass.

>>2827208
This is beyond the sociopaths mind, dont bother. People like those are why society needs restrictive laws. A true wigger

>>2826826 (OP)
Communists deserve nothing but scorn and ostricization.

>>2826826 (OP)
What’s fun is they’ll sometime just gate public roads and you’ll never know unless you go and ask the county

>>2830265
I have a couple friends who cut or drill these, specifically for that reason. PG&E supposedly does that a lot too.

>>2827182
If it's gravel or dirt and it's actually happening a lot, they might actually have a decent reason. People constantly doing 180s there could really tear an unpaved road up, especially if it's a long a fast road and they're flooring it out of there.

>>2830258
seethe

>>2828292
Unfortunately we've imported the third world and they use our public land out west to grow pot, dig meth labs, and trash up the area with their debris.

Sadly I support guys like this blocking his driveway off. It's too dangerous to have cartel members and druggie Indians of the res running around your place.

>>2830319
Agreed
Lets deport them all and then reopen things

>>2826869
>Deuteronomy 11:24: "Every place on which the sole of your foot treads shall be yours:
That's only for us Jews. Get back into your cage, goy.

>>2830319
Ah yes, it's the illegals doing this out west in the mostly wide open grasslands and semi forested mountains! Meanwhile it's been a main place activity for rednecks in Appalachia for decades.

>>2826869
what if the sole of my foot treads on your fucking face fatso?

>>2826880
>hurr duUrR iMmA sHoOt!!!1!
>yOu gunNa die!!!11!
your only move is to act like a complete piece of shit
no wonder your country is such a shithole

>>2826826 (OP)
stop being 12 years old

>>2830569
But then this board wouldn't exist.

>>2826826 (OP)
>imagine living in the cucked states
Still baffles me how a country with so many German migrants doesn't have some form of everyman's right. Even the UK, which has been cucked for a millenium by now, still has it.

>>2830574
The fuck, no we definitely don't. Some twat makes the news every year for being ousted from a farmers land for trespassing. Fucking yanks ffs

>>2830575
>Countryside and Rights of Way Act 2000
>Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003
It doesn't cover farmland (for good reason - tourists trampling down freshly sprouted grain bcs "it was just an empty field with nothing on it" sucks), but in the UK, just as in Germany, Austria or the scandis, all "wilderness", in other words, everything that isn't a field, pasture, garden or building, is freely accessible.

>>2826834
An old guy I live near owns a great piece of property with a swimmable river and several short trails and he just lets people camp, swim or grill there for free. He even set out some benches and places to make campfires. Boomers come and leave trash everywhere, cut down trees and light off fireworks, so the dude has to go out there and clean up after them. (he's got to be at least 70 or 80) Don't let the public near your property, they'll only fuck it up.