Thread 2827193

Hiking would be a lot more fun if private property were abolished.

>>2827193 (OP)
>btfo in xer own thread
>makes another
Fuck off to >>>/lgbt/ commie subhuman

>>2827193 (OP)
Cool, we can start were you live. Open invite to your home?

>>2827209
>>>/pol/ is the containment board for off topic politics spam actually, there doesn't need to be any more of that on /lgbt/

>>2827193 (OP)
Complains of private property
Instant poor fag detected.

>>2827241
>defending /tttt/

>>2827193 (OP)
chronic poors need to stay in their urban containment zone.

>>2827250
>its physically impossible for a human to be honest about the world
>any critiques are 100% of the time just a selfish butthurt disenfranchisement

You ARE actually a true piece of gutter scum if this is where you believe the upper limit for humans rests

“Each man’s private property is henceforth protected by the whole community, and, moreover, subject to its authority: the right which the individual has to his own estate is always subordinate to the right which the community has over all. Otherwise, the enjoyment of this right would be feeble and illusory.” - Jean-Jacques Rousseau

What percentage of /out/ists on either side of this argument actually have land that anyone would want to explore, camp, fish, or hunt on in the first place?

>>2827193 (OP)
Sucks for you if you don't live in a region with ample public land that you feel the need to trespass. Have you considered contacting the landowners to ask for access? Otherwise just go. Be respectful of the land, don't go anywhere near homes or risk getting confronted or shot at, immediately agree to leave if you do get confronted, and for the love of god don't broadcast and geotag any interesting finds on the internet or social media

>>2827301
and don't even think about going during hunting season lol

>>2827193 (OP)
>gets shit on in his previous thread by outting himself as a commie with no real life experience
>makes a new one
lmao

>>2827284
"Your mom lmao"
-anon

Come to europe, we have right to roam

>>2827193 (OP)
Life would be a lot more fun if every last communist was dead.

>>2827193 (OP)
>he has no right to roam
I’ll pray for you anon

>>2827334
>>2827371
Imagine being so peasant brained you think not being allowed to actually own property is a flex.

>>2827193 (OP)
I hunt and hike exclusively on private property. Nice rule here in NH - if the land isn't posted no trespassing, it's open for use. You can't "modify" it like putting up permanent tree stands or excessively clearing it, but a bit of bushwhacking is fine.
The lot behind to my house is 60 acres and landlocked, kind of no man's land just forest that's been logged somewhat recently (not clearcut). I found a lot of beer cans with bullet holes in them deep in it, and hear people shooting pretty often.

>>2827301
> What percentage of /out/ists on either side of this argument actually have land that anyone would want to explore, camp, fish, or hunt on in the first place?
I do but my house is also on it so, no need to camp. No water other than a tiny stream and mucky wetlands so no fishing. Just hunt, trap, hike around and explore. I like to identify all the different plants.

>>2827223
Please anon come into my basement…

>>2827276
Getting this butthurt over a Mongolian basket weaving forum post. Sad. You must be poor too.

>>2827371
He's an Eastoid (eastern USA resident) or a Europoid. Both suck. You can drive for hundreds of miles in unbroken public land in the western USA and just pull off anywhere and hike into the woods or camp just off the roads, areas larger than some European countries of just public undeveloped national forest.

>>2827193 (OP)
>Hiking would be a lot more fun if private property were abolished.
Sorry citizen, as someone without party connections, your petition to travel outside your assigned work zone has been rejected, but next planning cycle, you may be eligible for a half day of rest visiting THE PEOPLES MEMORIAL ASPHALT SLAB GARDEN.

No, it wouldn't. Because then I'd have granola urbanite citycell retards like you walking around on my private hiking trails.

>>2827193 (OP)
Blame liability laws.

>>2827371
Trespassers will be shot

>>2827394
>>2827510
>he doesn’t live in a place where people are respectful of each other
you are living a hard life, sorry to hear it

>>2827439
My yard is larger than some European countries

>>2827513
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over your bombs and state enabled rape gangs.

>>2827515
There’s no need to get mad anon, just get active in your local community

>>2827576
grinned

>allow access
>this doesnt mean parking
>this doesnt mean entry into people's yards
>this just means roads maintained by the state can't be blocked off by random idiots

With right to roam that random idiot would have 1000% more of America to enjoy, but he's a fucking idiot and shoots at randoms walking up a state maintained road because he bought both sides in a deliberate effort to FUCK OVER his fellow Americans.

1000% more America for everybody, and we won't get it because self people will lie about it and also threaten violence.

We can vote and massively increase the freedom for all Americans.

>>2827588
selfish*

>>2827588
you should be able to enter random yards if they lead to a waterfall or view and park nearby too as long as you don't bother them or leave trash or go IN their house

>>2827223
Other than directly inside my house, I would welcome hikers on my property. And if you wouldnt youre' gay

>>2827439
Drumpf wants to have a word on that

>>2827642
just leave a donation box outside
SUGGESTED DONATION 5$
and get rich

>>2827588
>>this just means roads maintained by the state can't be blocked off by random idiots
The state (county) DOES NOT want to maintain unpaved roads, especially when it only leads to a single persons ranch.

>>2827576
>n-n-no it's You who is upset!
Ok Then.

>>2827642
Why not inside your house, is that private property? Why only hikers, are you racist?

>>2827395
how'd you make a zone for (you) kids to play safely, put signs and fluorescent tape around a part of it?

>>2828064
Just signs no tape really need but I guess it could help

>>2828067
yeah I'd want some fluorescent tape so it's clear not to shoot in that direction, can't cost the farm
(I mean if it's just part of a forest and the boundary is inside it)
okay makes sense

>>2827513
Says the guy importing nogs, A-rabs and jeets at an industrial scale.

larpo
bumpo

>>2827193 (OP)
agreed, but hiking is way far down the list of considerations on whether private property should be either enforced or abolished.

>>2827394
But I own property anon.
Plenty of people known and unknown hike through it, and some of them camp.
And I regularly do the same on other people's properties.
Just don't live in a low trust shithole.

>>2827515
>let me tell you about your country

>>2828099
Says the obese mutt from his derelict social shitshow of a warmongering country were everyone is shooting at everything everywhere everytime.

>>2827193 (OP)
Just ignore signs and walk where you please, if nobody's there right now then it's your space.
>>2830550
I would camp on your land without permission, but I'd also pack out my trash and leave you a little rock-ringed fire-pit.

>>2830758
>Just ignore signs and walk where you please, if nobody's there right now then it's your space.

Do you lock your front door when you leave your house? Why? If you arent there it isnt your space, is it? You arent a hypocrite are you?

>>2830760
Retard spotted and noted.

>>2830761
I notice you were too afraid and dishonest to answer me. Cant admit you're a hypocrite?

>>2830765
I notice that you are gay, and I will continue to do as I please.

>>2830769
When you leave your car at the trailhead, do you lock the doors?

>>2830774
>pls engage??
(you)

>>2827642
>my house
>my
Gulag

As you can see, communists only care about abolishing YOUR private property. If its theirs, then thats different and not allowed.

>>2831298
Nobody said that you gaslighting fool

Do you know what a "living space" is? How things get zoned? Right to roam doesn't harm you. At all. You merely GAIN access to more nature yourself.

>>2831302
What happened to not engaging? >>2830776

Feel free to answer my other questions while you're at it

>>2831298
I think you are missing the point - nobody here is asking to go into people's houses or backyards - and 99% of houses have absolutely no scenic value but for the cases where
a) you have to park next to someone's house for the closest access to a trail
b) you have to go through private property to access a scenic feature
you should be allowed to park in front of people's houses and walk through their land if it's in pursuit of a legitimate recreational opportunity
and really the government should be buying out people who live there and refuse to allow an easement

>>2831323
I'm not missing the point. I'm just moving it somewhere that's uncomfortable for people like you.

>>2831335
>false arguments that are completely irrelevant anywhere right to roam is practiced on earth

You're just a bad person is all

>>2827223
I dont understand this pedanticism. Anon is obviously referring to acres and acres of land owned by some asshole in the middle of nowhere, limiting access to the wide wilderness. Not his 40 square yard front lawn jackass. But the funny thing is that you already knew that and wanted to try and be snarky anyway. Which is why I went ahead and saved you the typing trouble:
www.reddit.com

Safe travels, stranger

>>2828002
>are you racist
Yes

>>2831403
constantly yelling your peasant brain magic word isn't an argument son.

larpo
bumpo

>>2827642
No you would start out like every other infantile idealist until your property gets over run with people who don't give a shit. Then you would lose your temper trying every way from Sunday to get them to stop dumping, polluting, over fishing, over hunting, and fucking up the land that eventually, you'd put up a bunch of fences and signs saying "STAY THE FUCK OUT" and you would restrict access to people you thought respected the land.

>>2827193 (OP)
>No Right to Roam
LOL!
LMAO!

>>2834592
Stop making fun of us :(

The boomers ate lead paint as children and became evil

>>2834592
>>2834613
isn't "right to roam" just apply to ensuring the third worlders you imported have unrestricted access your children?

>>2827193 (OP)
This.
>>2827209
LMAO, imagine being probably US american but so deluded by the commie spook that you will probably fully support privatizing all public land, essentially giving up a sizeable chunk of your freedom.
Really meritards, you have no idea how important your concept of public land is with how unfenced land works over there until you have lost it.
Here it's simple: No fence no sign? I use the land but do not harm it.

>>2827193 (OP)
>i am too poor to afford land

>>2834574
This is why children can't vote, the only problem is children used to grow up before 18 and now they never do, so "nobody should own anything if I can't earn enough to do the same" never goes away.

>>2834639
i am a person of land
i am ridiculed and demonized. I HAVE RIGHTS

>>2834649
>I HAVE RIGHT
correct, property rights.

>>2834619
that's not the point
you can be a billionaire and buy billionaire kind of acres
and still you have more opportunity to roam the land if everyone just accepts pthers passing through than you would have if you kept everyome of your land but at the same time fpund youryelf limited to hiking through what you own only

>>2834649
All rights not granted by the divine must be fought for. I right implies someone else owes you it in some way be it action or not. Right to roam is a farce, why would someone who owns their land owe roamers a damn thing? They don't own the land, they don't work it, their families haven't passed it down through generations. If you are forced to allow others to have access to your land, you don't own it. If someone wants to hike they can do it on public land.

>>2834806
or just learn to share

>>2834808
No, I don’t think i will. There’s a park about 30 minutes away though, enjoy.
Just a weird sense of entitlement you poor 20 something’s have. Paid through the nose (to a nose) for my land, why should I feel anything about your cunty desire to freeload?
Fuck off.

>>2834810
if land is scenic and would be better enjoyed by the public it should be legal to access - or if land is somehow the ONLY way to park to access a trail (a lot of lesser used trails end at private land) - again it should be legal to access - nobody is just trying to find random ass farms to park in and walk around - this is only where there's a scenic reason to be there - in which case the property owner knows they are being an asshole

>>2834813
No, that’s okay.. that’s not how laws work my economically disadvantaged friend.
Define scenic? Define any of those “feeling” words.

If you own land, it’s your absolute right to keep poors off of it. You can’t pick or choose purely subjective criteria in which property rights don’t apply.

Just go to a park or something, Jesus.

>>2827193 (OP)
Yeah then we can have the government banning us from hiking and fishing literally anywhere instead of just on public land. BASED!

>>2834813
It doesn't matter if it would be better enjoyed by the public. That is not a valid reason to eliminate the right of property owners to control their own land. No one owes you a damn thing and your and the publics ease of access is irrelevant. Who defines what scenic is, and why would your desire to enjoy the scenery be legally forced upon the land owners to conform to? Should car owners be legally enforced to share their cars with others because they look good and are fun to drive? You didn't work for that land, you didn't buy it, maintain it, etc. Your existence and selfish desire do not trump property owners rights to be lord over their domain. Private property is a foundational element of Anglo/American society. If a man doesn't have the right to control his own property, what does he have? Even here in the eastern US there is plenty of public land to hike on. There are countless wildlife management areas and state forests scattered about that would be nice to hike on. Just hike there.

No one's going out of their way to hike on some nondescript private land. I guess it's possible near popular trails where hikers could get lost or want to stealth camp for the night. Otherwise, nah.

Now, if you own land with a unique natural feature (like a swimming hole, waterfall or cave), the government should be able to seize it via eminent domain and turn it into a public park. Of course this only applies to a minuscule percentage of landowners. Most have nothing to worry about when it comes to hikers. Hunters are far worse when it comes to trespassing.

>>2834836
When I was a kid some hunters from the county over shot our dog after it chased a deer off that was on our property that they were trespassing on. I think they ended up getting arrested after a while because they had been doing the same thing to a bunch of other people.

That's why I always trespass. Adds risk to the trek. Makes it more exciting and adventures like I'm doing a stealth mission in a metal gear solid game. Recently did a stealth camp on Kevin costners ranch. It was kino. Located right out of Aspen off of independence pass. Huge ranch situated in a valley. The pass was closed so I parked my car at the road closure and walked for about .5mi. got off the road and started walking down through the trees towards base of his property. Very steep, but I found a little nook to camp so I stayed there. Started to snow at night. Wasn't expecting that so it was a full blown survival mission at that point. Barely any sleep. But I woke up next morning I hiked back up the hillside(holy shit did that suck as). Made it back to car. You just got to trespass my dude

>>2834836
>Otherwise, nah.
you forget about hunters. I have property that borders NF and I get hunters tresspassing every season

>>2834833
what the fuck do you mean 'work for that land, buy it maintain it etc.' fucking retard it's a self-maintaining ecosystem that predates even the tiny nuts you cam out of its not a fucking mercedes you absolute fucking cuntwad.

the absolute state of /out/

>>2834935
Retarded. Without active conservation there would be a lot less.

>>2834935
NTA but I think he’s making a “tragedy of the commons” argument.
And he’s right, without property rights and the ability to remove poors from land, they’ll infest it with rvs and tent villages; leaving behind their garbage and waste for other people to clean up.

>>2834955
Tragedy of the commons is a lie to keep us as kike slaves

Absolutely pathetic belief to harbor about the world

You sad little fag

>>2834937
You have no legitimate picture of reality, you are throwing 1800s crimes together with 10,000 b.c. problems and applying them to modern people in 2025.

You are nothing compared to your grandpa. Neither is anybody else.

Hunters are like abusive housewives

"You need me'
"This would be ruined without me"

Meanwhile its literally just a narcissistic female

Nah actually you're all self righteous fags and the woods aint goin anywhere

Never in my personal life or online have I encountered an intelligent hunter, only men that have curated their personal biases for long periods of time. Just rats.

Never trust a man that tries to shill the usefulness of his hobby

>>2827193 (OP)
>right to roam laws
if you own land in norway and most do, often some barren hillside or forest in bumfuck nowhere, as long as you dont live on it or use it commercially its free for public use as long as said use dont damage it.
its by far more easy to hike and camp on private land here than public/national parks. there is a "ranger" service that do kind of patrol in national parks, they might do tours on private land as well to see that they follow the laws for forestry and fishing/hunting but its rare.

>>2836842
Right to roam
Water rights

These are white, northern european values that have been traditional for us long before the Romans came and ruined everything

Americans, being mixed with mexians and africans have forgotten these very basic cultural values.

>>2836842
But, I kinda think the point there is that a lot of land in Norway is freezing cold most of the year, and cliffy/rocky/snowy/inaccessible so there's not so much a fear of wandering around - it's not a common concept in more temperate climates and it needs to be.

People need to separate the concept of, sorry I need to park near your house and go through your backyard to get to this overlook vs I am trying to rifle through your actual house or molest your livestock.

>>2836844
>separate the concept

No real person believes they are being robbed when some random is walking the woodline half a mile from their house

They want an excuse to be a scumbag

Ever heard a redneck speak?

I grew up in the rural south. They spend their entire lives from childhood repeating to themselves and their friends about all the stupid and evil shit they would do if given the chance. Rednecks are not good people.

>>2836844
said frozen desolate land is what we want to hike in. but i get your point, we can do it because there is usually a logging or hydropower dam way going there with lots of parking options.
its a law here that if you ask for and recieve goverment funding to build a forest road, it has to be public once its built.

>>2836845
>They want an excuse to be a scumbag
Oh I know that - people really love enforcing rules and creating confrontation
it's too bad the government won't step in and just add official parking if someone's house happens to be the closest spot to a scenic feature

>>2827193 (OP)
kys

>>2836976
far more trails should be accessible to people with low mobility - there's a lot of people in between very fit and wheelchair bound

>>2827193 (OP)
Don't yanks have wilderness on their doorstep they can fuck off into?

>>2831481
I have 40 acres in the middle of nowhere.
Why should you have access to my land?
What happens when youre chilling in the treeline and I start shooting sport clays?
Are you going to pay for the $50 apiece walnut saplings that you stepped on?

>>2836976
NTA but you're a fucking serf my dude. Stop licking your lieges ass. What fucking upside is there if some dude who doesn't give a shit if you live or die gets to own land? Literally what upside is there to see a beautiful forest, or beach and hear: "See that? You can't get there, it belongs to a dude who doesn't even live there"?

>>2837077
>he thinks walking through a field denotes a transcation or legal consequence

Walking through any random field is a huge part of what makes a place feel like "home", it is what composes the best childhood memories

Hows it feel to be a KIKE

Jewish blood in your veins!

>>2827223
>>2828002
>someone mentions abolishing private property
>brainlets show their ass by demonstrating that they do not know the difference between private property and personal property.
The place you live in, your xbox and your fucking tootbrush are PERSONAL property, not private property. Communists do not believe you should have to share your personal fucking stuff. They do believe that owning things to make a profit for yourself, merely by owning them, is immoral. Like fuck, you can be anti-communist, god knows there are plenty of problems with it but for fucks sake at least UNDERSTAND the god damn thing you are critiquing, because when you argue against communism like this, you come off like a god damn toddler wanting to see the brown cows that make choccy milk.

>>2837099
Personal property =/= private property

Additionally one should only own what they can reasonably defend themselves, if you have to contract out the defense of your things to the government, you own nothing

Glad thats settled

>>2837077
how do you access your 40 acres? ok today there might be a road or two but back in the days, the very origin of right to roam laws was basicly right to access your own fuckin land, it was also a right to travel freely. i cannot find anything bad about that?
so far no negatives have come up that made any right to roam law country reconsider it.

>>2837147
You have to understand that the financially successful American has made a heavily compounded line up of evil choices in order to have anything at all. They have all made deals with the devil. They all looked in the mirror one day and justified it. Then they dedicated their lives to that evil. All of them have compromised on things they truly believe. All of them have turned a blind eye to things that disgusted them. All of them kissed a jew's ass at some point and probably quite often. Their gloating is very important, because they are whores and that's it.

Life is too grand, anybody that complies with "the way things are" is a coward. Don't fall for it. Life is great. Be good.

You aren't smart for having a job
You aren't smart for buying into Machiavelli
You aren't smart for stay silent and making your own moves while those around you act genuine

You're slime and the things you collect mean nothing

>>2837156
staying silent*

I have come to realize that normies are literally proud of the limp dick choices they make day to day

>>2837147
I just don’t want to have to continually shoo trespassers off my land. Fuck me, I just want peace and privacy without poors shitting everything up.
The ideology you poor fucking zoomie cunts shit out falls on its face once you actually own something.
There’s just something uniquely frustrating about shit for brain 19 year old CUNTS espousing half baked commie/progressive cuntery that they simply do not think through.

Just go to the park you insufferable twat.

>>2837159
I grew up in rural Kentucky.

Life is quite literally balanced by the entire county freely walking any land in the region. It's just an unspoken thing that happens.

If everyone was a nigger like you the world would be awful.

>>2837159
Do you have the brain capacity to consider that a bias is not a justifiable reason to shill for something? So when you say "when you get something you change your mind" you subtly admit to evil. To being corrupted. Having things should never change your virtues. Rat.

>>2837159
dude, you said 40 acres. thats nothing, thats basicly a backyard if you live on it, there is no right to roam on someones back yard, never was never will be. but i can give you the example of my family farm, its 500 acres surrounding it, 250 is farmed, 250 is forest. you do whatever you like in that forest we dont give a fuck. and here is the even stranger part for you, we got completely detached from this an additional 500 acres of forest 15min drive away. even if i wanted to i couldnt find the time to chase off trespassers here.
thats how land ownership works, not your shitty 40 acre backyard.

>>2837160
It is awful already. But freeloading poor fags like yourself don’t add anything.
Look faggot. Insufferable cunty faggot:
You let people roam your land; they litter, they shit, cut down trees, they shoot in irresponsible directions, poach etc etc.
I get poorfag cunts cunting out over being trespassed - but it’s a form of sour grapes. If you had land you’d install a gate and signage immediately.

Again, just go fuck off to a park or something. Security and privacy on your land >>> your cunty woody Guthrie faggotry.

>>2837167
These are all false arguments, your backyard is way dirtier than any park. You're the shitty bastard, not people that truly love the outdoors. It's you. Burning your mattress in your backyard. Yeah, I know you do that. Shithead.

I grew up trespassing. I will do it my entire life. Shoot all you want. I don't care.

There isn't an inch of this planet that God hasn't entitled me to walk on. Your opinion literally doesn't matter to me.

Greedy little fag.

"Go to a park"

What this has built into it is living a life that is precisely as prescribed by the powers that be. You must have a car. You must have money for the car. You must have a for that money for the car. It's all compliance. Bing bang pow you now have control over everybody.

That is not freedom.

Fuck your "go to a park". This is America.

What you have designed is a cattlepen. You fucking IDIOT.

No, I will not do the 50 fucking different behaviors required to visit the wilderness under your capitalist system. BECAUSE GOD HAS PERMITTED ME TO ENJOY THE WILDERNESS. NOT YOU. YOU FUCKING FAGGOT NIGGER KIKE.

>>2837169
You feel entitled to every inch of the earth? Just how small is that hat of yours.

>>2837172
>you must have a job for that money for the car*

You need a real hierarchy of rights. The wilderness is far above the vast majority of them. You have put wilderness in nearly last place, because you are SELFISH. You're scum.

>>2837173
Yeah fuck off nigger kike, God made the Earth he didn't make private property and God is going to laugh his ass off at you when you stand before him and he looks at your "titles to things". He will make fun of you. He will gather the angels and they will all laugh at you.

>>2837175
Ashkenazi schizophrenic bullshit is real I see.
All said though, if you ever stopped renting and got land; you’d understand. But rentoids will do rentoid things, and think rentoid thoughts.

>>2837176
You are so silly, absolute nonsense with your attacks. A real idiot. I will explain. Right to roam pre-dates the roman/jewish expansion into europe. You dumbfuck. You are the kike. You fucking jewish heeb bitch. You are quite literally incapable of thinking in non-selfish terms, which is why you make the statement "All said though, if you ever stopped renting and got land; you’d understand. But rentoids will do rentoid things, and think rentoid thoughts.". You are just shit. Evil. Rotten. That's you. You just quite simply can't imagine that others aren't like that. You are just bad.

>>2837178
Stop projecting all your capitalist boogeyman bullshit. I just want peace, quiet, and privacy.
That means not allowing cunty poors like you to shit up my property.
Just deal with it. Again, plenty of parks and public land for you to be poor on.

>>2837183
A piece of paper title has nothing to do those desires

The piece of paper title is just a way for you to leverage evil

To be clear, if a car is the only reasonable way to access wilderness then your freedoms as an American are being infringed upon.

If you can, on foot, access this same wilderness via private property corridor then you ought to be entitled to that. Because you are entitled to that wilderness and a car IS NOT A PRE-REQUISITE TO YOUR FREEDOM.

communism would make hiking more fun for everyone but greedy psychotic landowners

>>2837191
Communism is another thing entirely

The right to merely pass through an area is as old as time itself

This "you cant pass" thing is a new invention

>>2837193
What an utter load of shit

Even animals are territorial

>>2837196
Lol anon it's been well established ITT that personal property =/= private property

>>2837196
You are a walking talking bad faith argument

>>2837172
kys commie. No one owes you a damn thing. Freedom isn't your ability to enjoy yourself, its your God given rights, earned rights and your liberties. Freedom isn't about whiney bitches like you enjoying themselves at the expense of others privacy and property.
>>2837217
They are the same fucking thing. Niggers like you try to play word games to justify your niggerish behavior. If its your personal property you also have the right by the law to keep it private.

>>2837222
I'm not stopping you from owning things, I'm saying you shouldn't be able to stop others from enjoying things simply because you think your ownership is threatened by the mere passage of others. It's a very childish view of ownership. It has nothing to do with ownership. You're just a selfish dipshit.

It is not the same thing. As well you literally did the exact same thing you accuse me of when you claimed animal territorial nature is the same as jewish private property concepts. You scumfuck.

Territory =/= private property =/= personal property

None of these are the same you little bitch

>>2837091
>huge part of what makes a place feel like "home"
Yes.
My home, not yours.
I'll get drunk and dance with the fairies under the moonlight in my field.
There's nothing illegal with night shooting. We have glow-in-the-dark clays. When its deer season im safely shooting downhill into a forested ravine- if some hiker is just wandering around at dusk he might catch a random bullet. Thats not my problem and I shouldnt have to deal with some dead dumbfuck "free to roam" hippie poorfag.
>>2837147
>how do you access your 40 acres?
Along my 1/4 acre frontage along a public road.
>back in the days
OK.
When you invent a time machine let me know.
If you have a piece of property thats "land locked" without an access easement then youre a fucking retard.
There are many laws in the U.S. that cover said access. But youre in a country thats still based on 1590 law so of course your shit is fucked and I dont give a flying fuck what your government allows.
>>2837164
Im NTA but im the 40 acres so ill guess youre responding to me.
I have one of the smallest spreads in the area. Most are 200-500 acres. One neighbor i share a property line with has 1,000+ acres (including an 85 acre "pond").
The 250 acre plot across the road is leased out for hunting.
If you were paying money for private access hiw would you feel if random people were just roaming across it scaring off deer when you were out for a weekend hunting trip?
Thats an honest question- for you and any "free roam" faggot.

>>2837229
Right to roam is not controversial anywhere it is applied.

You quite simply want more rights than others, you want something that is absolutely anti-American.

There are no kings in America

Of course, it's obvious why you would shill for it given the chance

But the entire point of America is that there are no kings here

So get fucked

>>2837229
>this sad sorry sap is restricted to his 40 acres because he and all his neighbors are dicks
>nobody shares
>they could all wander the thousands of acres peacefully
>but they ate lead paint chips as children and became evil instead

>>2837230
You’re a retarded cunt.
Someone squatting in a park is “wanting more rights”. Sensible anons itt wanting to prevent hobo junkie bum pieces of cunty shit (you) from shitting up their land is perfectly reasonable.
Their land, fuck off.
Again! Go to a park. Fuck off on blm land. Be one with your poverty on some NF land, whatever. Just don’t bring your shitty drug addled cunt to private property and cry cunty foul because they don’t want to share with you.
Entitled obnoxiously cunty faggot.

>>2837234
Again with the bad faith arguments

>right to roam
This isn't squatting.
This isn't peeping.
This isn't theft.

Shithead.

The fishing guys in florida are fucking hilarious

Property owners in Florida will call the cops all the time trying to stop fishermen from fishing near their properties, and in fact IT IS ILLEGAL TO HARRASS FISHERMEN!

Same law needs to happen for other outdoor recreation.

>>2837227
Privacy is part of ownership, and the entire point of owning something is to use it for yourself and prevent others from using it. Owning is by definition exclusive possession of an item, property, share, etc. If you don't own the property you have no right to have access to it, only the owner does. If you can not control the use of your property, you do not own it, the state does.
>As well you literally did the exact same thing you accuse me of when you claimed animal territorial nature
nta, However territory, private, and personal property are literally, by definition the same concept. You have no right to it what so ever, get a job and buy your own land.
>>2837230
Every video I see from the UK on the subject of roamers, farmers and land owners despise it and the hooligans' who take advantage of it. It only benefits the lazy scum who have no respect for the land, no work ethic, and no ties to the land.
>that is absolutely anti-American.
You are not an American, and have no idea what the principles it was founded on are. A man having the liberties granted by the constitution and by his station are some of the foundational principle of America. An American man is lord over his domain, and no one else has right to it. Keep America out of your damn mouth.

>>2837235
It devolves into those things. Not all poor people are as virtuous as you claim.
Don’t be naive, the best way to keep poors from stealing, vandalizing, peeping whatever poors tend to do - is a zero tolerance policy.
Again, go be poor elsewhere. Like a park or public land. The fucking catholic mission for all I care.

I bought my land expressly for peace and privacy. The presence of a trespassing poor (regardless of their claimed intent) deprives me of my privacy and security; so yes- fuck off forever and always. You might not like it, but that’s life.

>>2837239
I am more American than you could ever hope to be. There is no limit to the degree in which you would extend your definition of ownership, just as there is no limit to the degree of things in which you would attempt to own, given the chance you would try to own the sky, the moon, the sea, if it was for sale, you would see it fit to be purchased. It's absolutely pathetic. You have no self control. No respect for anything.

You need to take a step back and consider what kind of a world we could have.

>>2837240
Crime is still crime. You're the foolish one. America has been freeballing with their criminals for it's entire history. Don't act like crime stops being illegal. Bad. Faith. Arguments.

Instead of 40 acres + public land via parking lots, you could have 40 acres + public land via reasonable passageways

That is an instant 100x in the freedom of every American.

You also need to VERY SERIOUSLY consider the car dependency of America and it's parking lot situation, this country is missing freedom in some very serious areas and has lost a lot of freedom as well. If you need a car to do something, you are not free. Stop making your own prison. Stupid dickhead.

This is the Appalachian model really

Your land + get into the woods however ya can

Real freedom

>>2837241
It isn't extending the definition of ownership it is the literal definition of ownership. The US was founded on the principles of private property and personal liberty. Your selfish desire to trample on other peoples land does not trump their right of ownership. Non Americans like you will never understand our culture and values.
>>2837242
you have no idea what freedom in the American sense is. It isn't access to land. Its the liberty to peruse access to land. Freedom of action, not of access. Go read the federalist papers, and the other work of the founders, you clearly are lacking in understanding of America and its principles.
>VERY SERIOUSLY consider the car dependency
Get over yourself /n/igger. Cars give the owner ability to go wherever they want, when ever they want. State dependency for transportation doesn't increase your freedom you ninny. People buy cars because they are a tool, this isn't some grand conspiracy.

>>2837255
>You can't walk here

Has nothing to do with private property and everything to do with your hatred of your fellow man.

You wish to restrict the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

You wish to have more rights than others. You wish to be in a separate class from the other Americans. You hate America. You want to be a king. You want control, you want people to only be able to do X activity one way and one way only and in fact you even want to profit on it. You are the GRAND REDUCER OF FREEDOM IN AMERICA. IT IS YOU.

There are really quite a few laws regarding what a homeowner can do with their property.

Kind of silly to pompously pretend you own it, and kind of silly to pretend the degree of "ownership" isn't entirely arbitrary and clearly set by these existing laws.

>>2837257
Oh my god you hysterical fucking woman.

>>2837266
Look bud, there are literally things you can't do on "your property" a massive fucking list, you're a totally unreasonable lunatic to pretend that "right to roam" is some sort of molestation of your rights. Not at all. You gain rights. It's an improvement. See the light. Don't be a devil with no restraint on what ownership means, especially when you quite literally live within many restraints on ownership. Dumbass.

>>2837257
Its the entire point of private property, to be private. Your life liberty and pursuit stops where other's begin. Everyone has the liberty to peruse employment, and to purchase land. Those are your rights, you never had nor ever will have the right to access other peoples hard earned property. A right infers that someone owes it to you, be it a person or the state, or that it was given to you by God. Why would a land owner be in debt to you to the degree that you should have access to his property? What did you do for him to create that debt? What did you do for anyone that would grant you the right to access their land? Or is everyone simply in debt to you because you popped out of your moms vagina? And I suppose land owners are just hatful bigots for not allowing smelly crackheads to wander around the land that their family and children live on. Because they owe the crackhead access to their wives and daughters, wouldn't want to be hatful and tell them go away.

>>2837271
Nope. There are clear lines of reasonability here, and if you reject that concept you are saying that Bill Gates can buy the entirety of Hawaii. "Purchasing" something does not automatically denote total domain, and in fact there are many specific uses for land and as well the government dictates this to a high degree. It is not up to you. You are inventing a nonsense fantasy because you are a bubba retard.

You get your house, and people can walk to wilderness using a path half a mile from your house. That is the maximized form of freedom in America. It's quite simple. That's right to roam.

Anything you suggest, is literally a bad faith lie. Because you are shit.

>>2837232
Post your property.
Here's a fragment of mine.

Want to hear some cool shit?
When I bought this property, this area was just sand.
Everything in this picture has grown after I received possession.
Those trees are mine.
Im the only person that has seen them in person.
Eat
Shit.

It's like a liberal suggesting banning guns prevents criminals from shooting you

Muh private property prevents crackheads

lol, lmao

>>2837274
Nice trees anon

I live with what's in my backpack, and have for a while.

>>2837230
>is not controversial anywhere it is applied
OMG
The peons dont have an issue with being peons?!?!
Answer this.
>I lease land for hunting
>you wamder around it
Are you stealing from me?

>>2837277
>hunting preserve business
>Anon does not know anything about how land rights or businesses work

Please anon, for a landowner you sure know jack fucking shit

Right to roam applies to specifically zoned land, just as if you were to attempt to swim in portions of the Colorado river you would not be able to because that land is for cattle.

Every single post you have attempted to spiral to absurdity. You are nothing but bad faith in human form. A sick little rodent.

>>2837276
Those are actually shitty ass trees (look up reforestation stages).
Its a lot of work to skip the decades of growth to get to the good stuff.

Pic is late night mowing.
Dude was like 8 inches.

>>2837279
Any field is nice man

>>2837278
Dumbfuck
"Navigable waterways".
Look it up.

Crawl back into your basement.
You have no fuck clue what youre talking about.

>>2837273
>Be grateful the state said niggers can't go in your house.
No. My land, I control who can access it. No one owes it to Bill Gates to sell him that property, but he has the same right as all Americans to purchase it should each individual land owner consent to it with out cohesion. There are other issues with Bill Gates owning vast amounts of farm land, as well as others, however those issues are not predicated on the concept of land ownership and private property. There are two major levels to government regulations on land usage, ones that exist because your actions can effect others in a major negative way. Ie dumping toxic waste on your land, developers building dangerous houses, drainage laws, usage laws such as commercial ag etc; and further zoning laws. These laws exist because the related actions by the land owners could harm other land owners or the public. You don't want someone building a factory right next to a suburban neighborhood, or your neighbor dumping anthrax in his sinkhole, or making a drainage ditch that floods your land. The second tier of regulations are unconstitutional ones such as property tax, and building codes on private land such as having to pull a permit to install a deck, build your own house (you building it, not a developer), etc. And those laws change state to state, and county to county. Many places in the US have no zoning laws whatsoever.

Laws such as right to roam are completely unconnected to the previously mentioned laws and regulations. They have nothing to do with private property in the US, and have never been seriously on the table for being an actual principle. Forcing owners to allow access to their land goes directly again the very definition of land ownership.

>>2837281
The Colorado River is navigable and many portions people are not allowed because it is used for ranching.

You idiot, lol

The way right to roam would work is land that is not specifically somebody's fucking backyard or used for a business would be zoned for passage if it connects to broader wilderness. This is really not extreme.

>>2837279
Had to fix this.
Dude wasn't a stick bug, he was a log bug.

>>2837282
Cope

You simply have a selfish disposition and simply don't care that you are restricting the rights of others. It is because of you that everybody has to have a car, which lead to an entire list of rules and bills that one must deal with. This system exists specifically because you have a philosophy of being a dick. Car dependency would evaporate if right to roam existed. You hate freedom.

>t-t-t-those rules don't count
You're a rule following cuck trying to pretend to be a king and that's just a fact

Something tells me that zoning things as "right to roam" if they aren't zoned as a backyard or a business would really strongly promote small businesses

Which would be good

>>2837284
Oh you're a street shitter using google AI.
Ive canoyoed down the Colorado to the gulf, you faggot shitskin.
There is zero portions of the river that are "off limits due to...."
God damn this site is out of control.

>>2837289
>using AI

No anon I just happen to have been to the colorado river before

Lots of it is banned, you are mistaken

>>2837287
Hey man.
Can I borrow tour toothbrush?
Or your debit card?
Can I crash on your couch tonight?

>>2837291
>source : your ass
Fuck off sukhdeep mytroat

>>2837292
>bad faith argument

You are literally incapable of anything else.

Let's recap where we are for the viewers at home

Territory =/= personal property =/= private property

and "right to roam" is specific zoning for unused land and can be used to encourage the use of land by the landowner

>>2837287
>Waaaa your a meanie
Go back to /n/ you insufferable faggot.

>>2837294
I am within 5 miles of a section that is only for cattle, anon

>>2837296
There is more freedom than what you have but you don't know it because you're busy being a selfish dipshit

>>2837297
>I am within 5 miles of a section that is only for cattle, anon
Post it then faggot.

>>2837295
>Territory =/= personal property =/= private property
You have been refuted countless times and you keep saying the same stupid shit. The government has no business encouraging shit, my land I can do what I want with it.

>>2837301
Nobody has refuted me. I am the most unrefuted man currently alive specifically because of this thread. You are a quite stupid animal. A joke. This is so fun.

>>2837299
The actual state of Colorado, hint.

>>2837301
>my land I can do what I want with it

hahahahahahahahahahaha

it's cute

>>2837295
>specific zoning for unused land
Who decides that?
I literally planted rare burr oak trees (largest acorn in north america- they're the size of golf balls).
They were obliterated because those 150 yearold trees were great for building when the expansion out west happened.
The land is "unused" because im regrowing what we lost.
So its free reign to trample them because some bean counter says im "not doing anything with it right now" ?
Once again, serious question and ill even post pics of my fucking burr oaks.

>>2837305
Sounds like you have a business anon

See how that works?

>>2837306
Fucking bot.

>>2837307
Whatchu mad about?

FYI part of the reason the government allows you to purchase land is the supposition that it will be utilized

>this anon gets his private burr oak preserve because its been zoned as such for his nice hard work
>he also gets right to roam elsewhere

Any savvy landowner wins and get much more rights with right to roam, they simply work out a way to get their land zoned as a preserve, a business, etc.

Come on rednecks you can stop being mad now

Private land ownership is made up bullshit.
>buh-but strangers entering your house!
I said land ownership, not breaking and entering someone's home. Don't bother replying after this post, nothing you say will change my mind or my ways.
>buh-but it's illegal! I'll shoot you dead!
Don't care about fake laws. And no you won't. You won't ever know I was there.

>>2837235
>This isn't theft.
It actually is.
Theft of service.
A buddy leases 400 acres of forest for deer hunting.
He pays for access to that land.
It doesnt matter if he shoots a deer with a rifle or camera. He has paid for exclusive rights to do so in that piece of forest.

>>2837368
>exclusive rights
You don't have exclusive rights. You have a range of rights granted by the government.

You keep thinking this completely untrue thing that you can do whatever you want on your land.

>>2837368
This nigga gonna try to sell the air next

>>2837302
There is zero area of the Colorado River that is off limits due to cattle.
Youre a fucking liar and/or retard.

>>2837371
Lmao anon you are blatantly wrong about this, it's one of the only rivers in the United States where this is a thing.

>>2837372
And yet you've posted zero source, faggot.
Should be pretty easy to link.

>>2837369
>keep thinking this completely untrue thing that you can do whatever you want on your land.
Oh no I cant turn it into a nuclear waste dump...
Youre either europoor or Californian.
Most of the planet doesnt have government overreach.

>>2837369
>>2837370
So much cope from the urbanite noland apartment dwellers.

>>2837336
>not breaking and entering someone's home.
It amazes me that you see a difference.
Wheres the line of demarcation?
I havent used my pool in a month, does that mean its free game?
Where is this arbitrary distance from my house to where my yard is no longer my yard?

>>2837430
Whatever the commissar (formerly of Starbucks) decides, comrade.

>>2834618
>No fence no sign? I use the land but do not harm it.
Until someone tells you to fuck off for trespassing. Oh and if you want to get uppity about it, you might just end up on a missing person's list and have a status as fertilizer.
Faggot.

>>2837446
>planning to murder someone while committing a separate crime.
Lol.
Im glad this is all archived with your IP address.
You just showed malice and forethought. Thats Murder 1.
Good job.

>>2837447
>Thats Murder
No that's castle doctrine, when you trespass you forfeit your life.

>>2837451
You misunderstood the other poster.
He said hes going to trespass on other people's property and if the owner gives him shit he'll kill them.

>>2837388
You bitch ass fag there are signs everywhere and you can easily google it yourself

Im not going down to the river and snapping a photo for you

This is a well known and highly controversial thing specific to the colorado river

ANYBODY that knows about water rights knows about this

You are a dumb child

>>2837426
Cope. Hypocrite.
>>2837428
He is permitted an actually rather narrow set of things he can do on "his" property. The government doesnt actually let you do many things.
>>2837430
Bad faith argument #233

>>2837388
https://coloradostreamaccess.org/

You can admit how fucking dumb you are now

They are currently trying to pass legisilation for public water rights in Colorado and it probably wont pass, you can google that too, fucking idiot

>>2837538
Hahahahhahahaha.
>Colorado Stream Access
>Stream
That doesnt cover the Colorado River, dumbfuck.
It covers tiny little creeks and streams that run through private property in the STATE of Colorado.
Once again, there is ZERO parts of the Colorado River that is off limits do to cattle.
I have a creek running through my property.
Youre not allowed on it or in it.
Stay mad, dipshit.

>>2837545
You might be the dumbest person in the world

>>2837538
Hahahahhahahaha.
>Colorado Stream Access
>Stream
That doesnt cover the Colorado River, dumbfuck.
It covers tiny little creeks and streams that run through private property in the STATE of Colorado.
Once again, there is ZERO parts of the Colorado River that is off limits due to cattle.
I have a creek running through my property.
Youre not allowed on it or in it.
Stay mad, dipshit.

>>2837548
If you had read even just a few words from that website you would understand that you are completely fucking stupid

https://www.steamboatpilot.com/news/for-lawmakers-an-afternoon-float-on-the-colorado-river-reignites-an-age-old-question-who-gets-access-to-the-states-streams/

>>2837549
>>2837551
Dude.
Youre a dumfuck.
Neither link mentions blocking of the Colorado River. BECAUSE THERE IS NO PART OF THE COLORADO RIVER THAT IS OFF LIMITS DUE TO CATTLE.
Your own links talk about Colorado's Streams and Creeks.
Also from your own link:
>Colorado’s state constitution says that all natural streams, except those already appropriated under a water right, are owned by the state and dedicated to public use.

You just got Blown The Fuck Out.
Again.

>>2837552
You fucking idiot this is for navigable waterways

Today or tomorrow I will walk down to the river and take pics of the signs that say no public access

You have to have a 60 IQ to think this is about creeks, when every link is about boating and rafting.

More than half of the river in the valley where I live is owned by ranchers and they use it for cattle and you CANNOT USE IT, you must go further down the river

>>2837549
>>2837551
I think this is a bot.
It doesn't understand context and cant differentiate between "a Colorado river" and "the Colorado river".

>>2837556
You are fuckin retarded

This is THE Colorado river.

>>2837556
Unlike other states NAVIGABLE WATERWAYS IN COLORADO CAN BE RESTRICTED FROM THE PUBLIC.

THIS INCLUDES THE ACTUAL COLORADO RIVER, AS IT IS NAVIGABLE.

In no other state will you encounter pic related.

It's for the cows, not you

For the cows (right corner of image)

This is the cow's access to the colorado river (not for you)

Thou shalt not touch thy cow's water

For the cowzzz

(River right behind the bank)

>feed troughs
>ON the colorado river
>fenced
>no easement to be found

My water riiiiights reeeee

This section of the colorado river is indeed full of cow shit and piss and there are many signs saying the water is fucked

What a fucking moron.
You dont even understand the law or the signs youre posting.

With navigable waterways, you have access to the water, not the land surrounding it. You can canoe right through this area but stepping off the canoe onto shore is trespassing.
There's not a single sign you posted that says the waterway is off limits.
THERE IS ZERO PARTS OF THE COLORADO RIVER THAT ARE OFF LIMITS DUE TO CATTLE.
You are posting LAND. Youre such a braindead idiot that you cant even correlate "shore" and "river".
None of your links mention "The Colorado River".
Just shut the fuck up and go back to /mlp/, faggot.

There is another sign that talks about the ranching family that owns the land, thanking them for being so kind to add the bike trail. I wont post it for dox reasons.

You may not touch the water. It is for their cows.

>>2837666
>doesnt know what easements are
>easements, key to public water access

In NO OTHER STATE will you encounter the pics I posted

Idiot

For a lot of spots on the Colorado river, an easement in accordance with the high water line would give you access to many acres outside of typical size of the river.

Obviously this is not happening.

Another thing! In Colorado you will see private companies doing public things and this way they can call it "private property" when it is for sure literally exclusively a public service, this is a silly little loop hole they use to keep people from adventuring certain areas.

>I thought this was America
>public road blocked by rich people

Private property is out of control

>>2837668
>In NO OTHER STATE will you encounter the pics I posted
Literally signs identical to those in Texas, Georgia, South Carolina, and oh wait, every fucking state in the U.S.
There's a shitload of rivers in Texas you can tube down but the river banks are private property and going ashore is trespassing.
Not a single thing you've posted (still) says ANYTHING about the river being off-limits.
Youre a fucking moron and a waste of oxygen.
Ive changed my stance on abortion and think it is acceptable in cases like (you).

>>2837671
>genuinely has no clue what an easement is

Anon, you have a God given right to the high water line. Unless you're in Colorado.

>>2837672
>basement dwelling high school dropout doesnt understand property rights.
Easements are not granted automatically.
A hotel can be beach front property.
The beach is public.
Acces through their property is not a right. There are literally hundreds of places along the east coast where you cant walk to the beach from the street through private property.

Its 100% legal to be in the water directly behind those signs.
The LAND is private property and they were generous enough to let people hike through it. THEY have the RIGHT to limit what people do on their land, which they decide to exclude tramping through with kayaks and fucking up their shoreline.

You have once again been blown the fuck out by someone who actually understands the law and property rights.
Now go crawl back into your hole.

>>2837682
>high water line

You simply do not grasp what this means

>>2837430
Is your pool "land"? Do you have a clear line of sight of your lawn from your house? You already know the answer so why ask the question? I already told you:
>You won't ever know I was there.
You can infer everything you need to know from this.

>>2837682
>the law and property rights
Lol, lmao even.

>>2837684
You have no fucking clue about waterway rights.
>being in a canoe at the shore line = legal
>stepping out of a canoe and wading through the river in ankle deep water = trespassing
Im actually familiar with the facts of The Law.
I own property with a stream running through it. I own both banks.
So once again, shut the fuck up because youve proven you have no knowledge on this subject.

>>2837785
High. Water. Line.

Keep coping, you stupid asshole. If the high water line access is cut off then your PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE RIVER IS CUT OFF.

As you can see, there is no easement of any kind. Which is DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT THAN ALL OTHER STATES.

Stupid fag.

>>2837805
Holy shit youre fucking stupid.
Just because you cant walk to the river through a ranchers field DOES NOT mean the river is off limits.
>DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT THAN ALL OTHER STATES
All states have private property along rivers, lakes and even oceans (as ive stated). You dont have the right to trek across private property. The Nakadoches river in Texas is popular for tubing and you have to enter and exit the river in specific spots because there is private property speckled along the shoreline- and yes they have no trespassing signs on the waters edge.

Failure to grasp this simple concept shows you have limited mental capacity. You might actually be mentally retarded.
Ive once again proved you incorrect on every one of your talking points.
There is ZERO parts of the Colorado RIVER that are off limits due to cattle.
Now fuck off back to /mlp/, faggot.

>>2837835
Anon if you cant tell via the pictures, the fence is well within any easement. There is NO easement.

You are a very dumb person.

Imagine being such a coping fag you cant grasp that easements aee specificially for public access

Colorado has inhibited public access

>texans are dicks
Imagine that being an argument for anything ever

Like wow texans are also stomping on your rights wow what a surprise, lmao

You are a joke

What are you faggots even arguing about? Imagine letting a sign tell you where you can or can not walk. What a cuck!

>>2837846
This

Following rules is anti-American

>>2837839
>>2837842
Fucking morons.
>Colorado has inhibited public access
Because people own land next to the river?
EVERY STATE has private land next.to rivers and lakes that YOU are not allowed on.
THERE IS ZERO PARTS OF THE COLORADO RIVER THAT ARE OFF LIMITS DUE TO CATTLE..

You have been proven wrong over and over.
Just shut the fuck up you braindead retards.

>>2837863
>STILL cannot comprehend an easement

If my public access is restricted then my rights are being infringed upon. This is a pretty simple concept, you butthurt little baby.

My ability to navigate the Colorado river is impacted. I have a right to access.

As well, rafters have a right to pull to shore, which Colorado is currently preventing.

EASEMENTS,

It's VERY funny how dumb you are, how hurt your ego is, how badly you want something to be true.

So much so you are defending having less rights than you actually have. You pathetic little rat. Lmao.


>every state has this
No. Every state has easements and 100% of places without this are illegal, you have likely just witnessed rednecks doing what they always do and try to break the law. EASEMENTS. ARE. CODE. EVERYWHERE. People try to ignore this. Sometimes the state helps them do this. It's not legal.

You dumb little child. Haha.

As an American you are entitled to the high water line, access has NO pre-requisite of owning a car and driving an hour to a boat ramp, YOUR RIGHTS OCCUR PRE-INFRASTRUCTURE. THEY ARE RIGHTS. YOUR RIGHTS EXIST INDEPENDENT OF CAR DEPENDENCY.

In free states, if you can physically get to the high water line, you have access to that waterway.

This is not the case in Colorado. Your access to the Colorado river is highly restricted, and it is specifically because of 200 year old contracts with ranchers. You are dealing with spanish slaver morality, not the morality of American anglos. This of course will stop being the case very soon, as it is completely retarded that the southwest still has these traditions.

Colorado is not free. Very simple.

>>2837868
Not like the Colorado river will even exist much longer. The infinite brown hordes in phx and la demand every natural resource that can be mustered. You aren’t racist, are you ?

>>2837869
Honestly, I live right next to the river and everyone here blasts their sprinklers 12 hours a day.

We don't deserve it. These people are worthless retards. Grass is such a pointless hobby. Creating work out of nowhere. It's beaver behavior. Beavers have dams and humans have grass. I think very little of people that enjoy grass.

Again: imagine letting some scribbles on a sign tell you how to live your life.

>>2837871
You are correct anon I do not contest that one should simply ignore rules as often as possible

Never let retards get in the way of your life, and everyone is a retard, everyone

>>2837870
My FIL lives in bend, OR (high desert) and has a lush green lawn that’s about 2 acres in size; he estimates about 10k gallons per day to keep it alive.

I’d be more appalled, but Bend running out of their fossil water will at least help quell the tide of CUNTY CA trash from infesting my Oregon.

>>2837872
Hey, I'm a retard as well. Nothing wrong with being retarded. It's a miracle I haven't seriously injured myself yet doing all the shit I do. Somehow I keep getting away with fence hopping and camping in the bushes. I think my biggest asset is my great communication skills with dogs. Never had one bite me and even the barkers calm down in my presence. Also get a lot of attention from feral cats, lol.

>>2837874
Keep bein' free anon
>>2837873
lmfao

>>2837871
I just don't want confrontation.

>>2837865
It gets so tiring proving you wrong time and time again.
This is Georgia btw.

>>2837894
>Colorado is not the same as the other states

It's actually funny how stupid you are You googled that without knowing a single thing about what you're googling.

Again, you have no idea what an easement is. It is as if you've never heard of one. You are comically stupid. I love it.

Easements are typically +10 ft beyond the high water mark.

Dumb little baby back bitch. Lmao.

>>2837894
>Georgia

Bro you are such a dumb animal lmao

Easements are SPECIFICALLY for public access and landowner building codes, it is pants on head retarded to even entertain the idea that it refers to the low water line. It is the high water line, and often +10ft beyond the high water line. That is how non-retarded states work.

>>2837897
>>2837898
>>2837899
BLOW THE FUCK OUT
https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/title-44/chapter-8/section-44-8-5/

>>2837961
Anon I know this is difficult for you to grasp but Georgia is not a model for the concept of freedom, in fact it is certainly in the bottom 10 out of all 50 states.

It is also not Colorado.

Spanish and slave trade morality shant remain in Ameria.

Perhaps try picking a state with legislature not run by 1800s inbreds

>never visit georgia or texas

Was already well aware that those places sucked giant dicks, lmao

Is Colorado the ONLY state with dogshit water rights? No. I exaggerated.

I plainly dont consider states with shitty water rights. I delete them from my mind. Nobody should want to live in a hellhole with morality from 200 years ago.

If a state doesnt grant a easement on thw high water line, it needs to because those citizens have less rights than they should.

And to be clear: It is specifically because of cattle that Colorado still doesnt grant this RIGHT

They appeal to the emotions of ranchers that are living off benefits from 200 years ago, a distinctly different amount of rights than other Americans

Keep being a butthurt baby

Imagine if you could only access the Mississippi river from the source, would youn consider your rights to be intact? Lmao.

Easements to the high water line are the standard, and every state will eventually have this. The majority do.

We WILL stop appealing to the emotions of selfish people eventually.

Please keep embarrassing yourself and shilling for weaker rights it's really funny and you're very stupid it's been a while since I've seen an ego hurt so bad they cry for less rights lmfao

To make this easy for you: Mentioning other shitty states is not an argument

Wittle babby bwain ;)

>gets blown the fuck out when someone posts an actual law and not AI generated slop.
>keeps moving goal posts
>samefag rages for 20 minutes.

You dont understand what an easement is.
You dont understand the definition of access
You dont understand the law of ANY state.
You've been proven wrong on EVERYTHING youve stated.
What a pathetic loser.

>>2838021
Sorry but you are wrong

You dont know what an easement is
You dont know what access means
You dont know what rights are
I am completely correct all I did was exaggerate a bit. You have NO argument, so you keep focusing on the fact that yes there are other states with shitty rights.

YOU are the loser. Lol

It is a fact that Colorado has inferior water access rights. Stay mad.

>the least btfo man alive talking to the most btfo man alive

Its really funny maybe one day you will learn about your rights, lmao

A 10ft easement at the high water line is your right, anything less is theft.

This is the standard for anywhere that believes in freedom.

Stop paying taxes to states that minimize your rights. They are rights.

https://youtube.com/shorts/OLlewM0VEOo?si=hQQh5ancc4eheGrf

People will try to buy more rights than other Americans

But rights are not things that can be bought

The greedy must be reminded

>>2827193 (OP)
Aren't there countries with a right to roam?
The fact that some owner is entrusted with caring for a piece of land is not the problem. A system which sees passing across the land as the crime of trespassing is the problem.

>>2838075
>A system which sees passing across the land as the crime of trespassing is the problem.
Im not sure where to start here.
I BLEW THE FUCK OUT of OP like 15 times itt and hes stuck in some 5 yearold "nuh uh, im rubber and youre glue" phase.

But let's say I have 10 acres.
My driveway from the public road is 5 acres from the river.
My house is 1 acre from the road.
Do you think you have "the right" to trek across 4 acres of my property to the river?

>>2838144
You’re right in principle (though not so much with your choice of unit). Problem is you have a board full of cunty 19 year entitled poor fag kids who don’t own anything, and who are angry (rightfully) about never being to be able to own anything. It’s why college kids in general are progressive retards until they make a few bucks, then wisen up and slide hard right.
The second any of these twats got land, you know they’d put up signs and gates, and armed turrets if they had the means.

>>2838144
Delusional sad little baby

Facts
>your public water access is restricted
>proprerty owners will try to extend this
>the state sometimes helps them do this

>>2838175
Are you quoting a click bait article?
I mean, i quoted the actual laws...

>>2838170
>any of these twats got land, you know they’d put up signs and gates, and armed turrets
100% guaranteed.
Communism is great when they think they'll be a "community organizer" or some other worthless position. But when they realize they'll be working in the coal mines their labor suddenly has more value than a cashier at Starbucks.
None of them would offer their couch to a homeless person or invite them into their home to make them lunch but they expect acces to other people's property.

>>2838201
No you quoted georgia's inferior laws you literal non-human lmao

Georgia is not an example of freedom or american values, it is specifically a remnant of fat retards soon to be gone

Please continue to post I have limitless ways to call you stupid

You have a literal inability to grasp what water rights are and I love it

You cute little retarded bitch lol

>>2838220
Broski you in the mines already, lmao

Just wait until you find out that a post-global war surplus is not a functional economic system

For the single digit IQ anon here, the stupid little devil that he is

Laws =/= Rights

Laws protect rights, they do not give you rights. Rights are things that you have no matter what. In many cases, laws are poorly made and get in the way of your rights.

Specifically it is fat, selfish retards that are known to be the greatest threat to one's rights.

People willing to make laws to gain advantage.

The boss hogs of the world.

Less of them by the day, they peaked a long time ago.

You do not have a "right" to trespass on someone's property because its faster or easier to get to a location you deem desirable.
You dont have the right to jump my fence and walk through my backyard to take a shortcut to the store instead of walking around the block.
Thats exactly what this is
The Colorado River is available for your use. There are many access points. Just because you cant go through a specific ranchers field to get to it isnt stopping you from entering the river at a different location and paddling right past that same ranchers field.
EVERY STATE IN THE U.S. has these same laws.
Go ahead and post laws or address the multiple points ive brought up or shut the fuck up you basement dwelling high school dropout dipshit moron waste of oxygen.

>>2838293
You seem to miss
>proprerty owners will try to extend this
>the state sometimes helps them do this

With an appropriate easement, a person's rights are PROTECTED, rather than INFRINGED, and access is FAR EASIER.

You need to get it through your thick skull that rights precede all of your silly notions about how things work.

Imagine trying to argue that fences are being jumped.

No, easements protect YOUR RIGHT TO THE RIVER.

You cannot purchase more rights than others. Rights are pre-money.

Sorry that we're setting things straight, but the old 1800s rancher rules are being thrown out everywhere. You lose. Your entire argument is being de-established as true. Because people know it's fucking dumb.

Water rights are being increased everywhere. You stupid little slime.

LOL.

The future of America is right to roam

The majority of states DO have adequate water rights, with a high water line easement or even a +10ft easement, other states are lagging behind.

This won't be the case forever. The trend is clear.

And no, in a free country some rich man can't force you to hike 20 miles to enter a river. That is nonsense. Doesn't happen in a free country.

>walk through a field

An easement is to the high waterline, or at best +10ft.

This is not a field.

Your entire argument is dogshit.

If you happen to be within 10ft of some water, you can enter it. That's what that means.

You fucking critically endangered retard.

>>2838293
i actually do, its a fundamental part of our law. anyone at any time is always free to travel, as long as its not your back yard and its not up to you to define how far back your back yard reaches. its defined as out of sight and sound of your dwelling but minimum 150m and absolutely not trample down a crop. you can definetly jump a fence full of livestock as long as you dont scare them but its at your own risk, people get killed by them now and then. typical city fags, let them have it.
i cannot grasp how you are fine with being stuck on only your own land? your way of thinking is completely foreign to me, what doesnt bother me doesnt bother me so why should i care? specially not when it also benefits me.

>>2838302
How do you get to within 10 feet of the river?
Fucking moron

>>2838332
>your own land?
Thats what you cant grasp.
If you bought 100 acres, its your neighbors land also.
If I buy 100 acres, its my land only.
Youre a peon- literally living under serfdom laws.
You probably live in a government owned apartment.
"Right to roam" is actually removal of rights. You have no privacy or control of your own land.
It wont stop there. You'll be living in the pods and eating the bugs while your tax money is spent to house Achmed, his 4 wives and 9 kids.
You've been brainwashed to believe "for the common good" is more important than your own rights.

>>2838385
if you buy 100 acres, its the only land you will ever set foot on. if i buy 100 acres, its the only land i can have economical benefits of i can still hike and enjoy my afternoon coffe on someone elses land if they got a better view.
pic related, my view, the biggest landowner there goes from far right outside the view to a bit to the left of it it, with a clusterfuck of smaller land plots inbetween. imagine if you where the big land owner here, how would you effectively watch over 10x10 km of nothingness?
and on another side, how would you win over samis who herd their reindeer on your land saying straight out they give no fucks about your imaginary lines on a map, they where here first. violence doesnt work they reply back worse than you.

>>2838394
how the property map looks like there

>>2838395
a km or so further north it gets kinda funny, but these are actual property lines

>>2838394
>its the only land you will ever set foot on
We have parks that are bigger than your entire country.
Im not poor so I can afford lift tickets.
I can jet ski on the Colorado River or surf in the pacific Ocean or hike through the Sierra Nevada Mountains or the Smoky Mountains or the Rocky Mountains.

I have my own 15 acre motorcycle track in my "backyard". Thats actual land ownership.
You live in a hive mentality society where you are not allowed the most basic of human rights like securing your home.
Pathetic.

>>2838398
This is only Federal land BTW, it doesn't show state parks.

>>2838398
i dont need parks, they exist here as tourist traps but you are better off as a true hiker on private land. there is even a *cringe* ranger force that look after our parks and tell you where you can and cannot fish, make camp or light a fire. there is no such thing on private land because the landowner isnt liable for anything you do and while he would like to charge a fee for you fishing he has to be there to do so, and he isnt, he might be hours away.
>i have this and that acres, im a landowner i know what im talking about
no you dont. we got 500+ acres in my family, half of it detatched from the farm. and thats a small one, 1000 to 3000 acres is common.

>>2838385
>if i buy 100 acres
here comes the real check for new worlders that they will never get
>i bought 100 acres based on lines on a map approved by the state
whats not included written but approved by the state and taken for granted that you check out is
>right to roam
>sami reindeer right to grass there
>person X have a lifelong axcess to the lake by car and boat including a boathouse
>person Z have a lifelong agreement for taking out firewood
>farm X, C and W has a common grassing deal, you reelase your cattle into the wild since your border each other.
>you dont give a fuck if they wander over to the next valley since their cattle came here last year.
>right to roam hikers? lol how am i even supposed to notice their precence in the first place?

>>2838398
>post proof that his country is 1/3 at best outworthy
>live in the 2/3 not
>hurr durr im so outy...
do you know that someone from london or amsterdam can hike a norwegian mountain and be home at their local pub the same evening? thats more outy than someone from miami or NY.

>>2838408
Okay got me there. I can however walk out my back door, across my land, across a thin strip of Weyerhaeuser land, and then onto BLM land, and hike through thousands of acres of forest and not see, hear, smell or otherwise encounter another person for hours. And out of all the people I don’t see, not a single one of them is brown.
The Norwegian mountain sounds great of course; but I’d prefer living in a remote area, especially a remote area devoid of nons.

>>2838417
>i prefeer living in a remote area
dude have you looked at map? norway is remote, and if nons means what i think we aint got them here. im currently living more remote than you could ever dream of.
i can walk out my back door and either find a way to ferry my ass to usa or just take a boat to japan or south korea.
exept from an ovious border crossing i dont have to see people from here to there. its called the taiga/tundra.

>>2838422
Bruh.
>london
>amsterdam
That’s what I was referring to in anons post. Norway would be cool, but I’m not Norwegian, so I wouldn’t want to live there. You can’t hate immigration and then be an immigrant yourself.

>>2838423
ok you wanna play that game?
yoy are a immigrant in usa. you are also not native anywhere due to your heavily americanization. just stay where you are.

>>2838425
Family’s been here for at least 250 years. Native at this point , just saying
>stay where you are
Exactly, that’s the plan.

>>2838426
no you havent, you got immigrant family from this century. also 250 years lol thats just 1770 ish, can from written sources trace myself back to 1500.

>>2838429
Simply not true. But okay, not going to quibble on my bona fides with an internet random.
Why did my stance on immigration trigger you so?

>>2838430
it didnt but it now seems like its a big deal for you?
you got identity issues? is your family tree clear and filled (inbreeding ok atleast then you know your grandpa is also your uncle) ?

>>2838431
Oh shut up. Given norway’s population how many immigrants (of any background) would it take to permanently obliterate the notion of a Norwegian people? Like India could send enough “international students” who never leave, and within a decade, your done.

>>2838406
Holy shit your list is an excellent example of why eruope is so fucked.
>I already own 50 acres.
>all mineral rights, grazing rights, water rights, access rights of that 50 acres is 100% controlled by me.

>>2838408
Did you know the majority of ski resorts in The Alps are at around 5,000 feet elevation?
The city of Denver is that high.
Las Vegas valley floor is at about 2,000 feet. Mt.Charleston peak is at about 12,000 feet. The ski lodge is at about 8,200 feet and is a 45 minute drive from the strip.

Thats just one example of what the U.S. has to offer compared to you having to literqlly.travel to another country for something comparable

>>2838383
Hey retard

If you cant get there then you cant get there

BUT IF I CAN GET WITHIN 10 FEET THEN YOU CANT STOP ME. ITS MY RIGHT.

You really are the dumbest man alive.

EASEMENT. YOU QUITE LITERALLY DO NOT GRASP WHAT THIS IS.

IT DOES NOT MEAN "WALK THROUGH A FIELD".

IF THAT 10FT EASEMENT CAN BE PUBLICALLY ACCESSED NO GREEDY FAGGOT CAN STOP YOU.

THAT IS WHAT AN EASEMENT IS.

NO WALKING THROUGH FIELDS.

ALL YOU DO IS MAKE BULLSHIT ARGUMENTS. YOU SAD LITTLE FAG. YOU SAY EXTREME NONSENSE OR QUOTE TOTALLY UNRELATED THINGS.

YOU ARE NOTHING. A NON-HUMAN.

Private property is a hilarious scam

>requires a lifetime of work to attain
>banks make this more difficult every single day that the system exists

Meanwhile I have the entire country to enjoy because I just make my own rules and totally ignore the fact that I live around a bunch of retarded slaves.

>>2838454
lol the mineral right shit is hilarious too

You have rednecks that cant dig a single hole on their land still trying to act like they have a set of balls lmao

>>2838398
Anon you are very stupid

Europe's morality would be amplified like fucking crazy in a place like America, specifically due to the reasoning that you gave. Dumbfuck. We have 100x what they have.

>>2838461
To say another way, since you are stupid

>Europe makes their right to roam morality work while having literally 100x less cool shit than we do

"Right to roam" is because youre all cattle and have no property rights because the elite see all of you as interchangeable pawns.
Your property, your neighbors property- all the same to them because youre nothing but serfs.

>>2838458
>cant stop me!
>its my right!

>*stopped by property owner's fence because your 10 foot easement isnt law but just your fantasy.

>>2838464
You have no private property, you pay taxes and follow the government's rules, for this and a large payment to a bank they allow you to have a place to sleep

fuckin retard

>>2838465
10ft easement is law in many states, anon.

This allows you to enter waterways in a lot of places. Without entering anybody's fields.

>>2838466
>durr hurr you dont own anything because you pay taxes.
I love this argument.
It shows how detached from reality zoomie basement dwellers are.
I think ill drink some beer and blow up some tannerite on my.property tonight. In my state its legal to drink while shooting and I bought the tannerite and tracer rounds at my local hardware store.
Im even thinking of putting some black lights on my sport clay range to shoot glow-in-the-dark clays at night.
And when I do guess what- "the government" wont do shit. Because unlike you I actually have personal freedom and.property rights.

>>2838468
Look, you're quite delusional to think they can't just take your shit.

And you simply can't do whatever you want. You do not have free reign on your property.

Not at all.

>>2838468
>simulating freedom with tannerite and beer

lol its really an insane cope

>>2838477
Meep. On the other hand going to jail because you hurt brown feelings or said something negative about replacement immigration.
The world is simply getting worse no matter where you are.

>>2838501
No, we can do way more things because there are way less turbo retards than there were in the 1950s

You selfish pricks nearly ruined the outdoors

We treat it nicely now

>>2838464
right to roam is a law and tradition set by the people owning and living in said land. nothing cattle about it, its because we dont trust goverment to own land for us and dont want to go hiking on goverment land with a bunch of rangers watching our every step. fuck that, this is our land and we want it this way, thoose politicans in oslo should stay the fuck away from our land.
the extreme end of this is what finnmark state did, they just abolished private land ownership completely and just made it so that if you have an adress there you are now a coowner of the finnmark property.
lots of things i hate about the sami, this is not one of them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnmark_Act

>>2838592
Everything you posted is proof of a hive society'- the life of interchangeable drones. Youre so deep into it you cant even see it
>abolish private property rights in exchange for access for the masses.
Literally stripped your actual rights away to appease others.
What a fucking joke of a society. No wonder nothing of value is associated with that region. Youre nothing but a slave class.

>>2838605
when was a hive bad? usa is based on land acts where people was given small plots and had to fight constantly to not get robbed of their land. its still small plots and you are stuck on them like tiny islands in the sea, no hope of ever expanding or going anywhere else. your 5 acre joke of a homestead is your life.
norway has the old indigenous way of dealing with land, everything is owned by someone and has been since god knows when. there is no reason to fight for land with anyone its in abundance. we have 1000+ year old agreements like you can cross over each others land because why not? what does it matter? just dont walk across my yard.
the finnmark case is extreme but having been there for /out/ and camping many times its something you must experience to fully understand it. if you are a true /out/ist you would absolutely love it there. for me as a non finnmark residence it only means i have to pay a fishing license they dont since they fish on "their" land. in reality they just tell you to fuck it and fish for free, and since its "their" land anyone living there can say so and that gives me the right of free fishing.

>>2838611
Youre pathetic.

>>2838617
you dont own land nor do you have access to it without asking daddy goverment for permission.
cuck.

>>2838618
I own land and have the right to exclude you from setting foot on it (pic).
Stay mad and enjoy your apartment- youll die in it and be forgotten.

>>2838624
cool, 5 acres? right around your house?
if you actually owned land you would know that it would be impossible for you to exclude others from it.

>>2838626
50 acres.
That one alley is more than a quarter mile long.
And yes, unlike your shithole country people don't wander around private property. We have castle doctrine and that covers my entire property. Trespassing will get you arrested or shot.

>>2838628
still cute. make it 250++ acres then add the same area maybe even 1000 acres detatched from that, maybe an hour drive away in bumfuck nowhere. how do you plan to guard such property 24/7? this is what land ownership is, what you describe is just your backyard.
thanks for proving my point btw.

>>2838635
this is being a "landowner" in usa lol

>>2838636
Post your apartment.
Please include your paki neighbors and your 1.3L shitbox if possible.

>>2838638
sorry but house owner in bumfuck nowhere norway, no pakis have ever wandered here, 3 cars, 2,4tdi transit van, 2,0tdi landrover shitbox and 4,0L jeep pickup and a boat i trailer around. i dont need to own land except the part my house is on, i have everything i see at my freedom to hike in if not my family is a large landowner further down the valley but i find that terrain kinda boring i like it here in the highlands.
you will never know this.

>>2838640
So odd how you say "I dont need to own land" then mention "my family is a large landowner".
Nice little Freudian slip.

"fuck you I got mine" will become extinct as a concept

>>2838653
Ya sure.
Let's all be communists so everybody is equal.
That worked so well in Russia, China, North Korea etc....

>>2838671
>post WW2 surplus
>espionage

It is going to be extremely fucking funny how fast capitalism fails without having a full tank of rocket fuel to burn

You fucking idiot

>>2838642
i dont get your point here? im not a farmer, i dont need more land than the plot my house is on. i can access the outdoors just as fine anyway. my family is farmers, they need land, lots of it.
and the funny thing is, this will be another shocker for you, we practice unfenced wild grassing for livestock. each county has a grassing community, if your land can support 300 sheep and 50 cows then you can realease this many into the mountains but you dont need to fence them im on your land they can wander all over the place and so does every other landowner.

>>2838692
>dont get your point here
You say land ownership isnt important but felt it was important to point out that your family owns land.
>>2838692
>they can wander all over the place and so does every other landowner.
Actual serfdom.
>I tried to plant an orchard but one neighbors sheep stripped all the leaves off the saplings and another neighbors cows trampled everything that survived. Oh well, I guess ill leave it a grass field so the neighbors can profit off my land...
An entire society of actual, dictionary definition of cucks.
You've proven my talking points over and over.
YOU have no land rights.
"Fredom to roam" isnt a right, its literally giving your rights away to someone else.
And yes, we have BLM (bureau of land management) grazing land. But we also have private land ownership.

>>2827193 (OP)
>Land ownership would be a lot more fun if the county would let me bury the trespassers without calling 811
sybau

>>2837142
one of the first things the commie mob did in post revolution russia was carve up large properties had jam 10 familes into them
emphasis on the mob
if enough (deluded) people get together they will take everything you own AND kill you AND call you evil for being rich or even just working hard to get ahead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvmawZ0nvRE&ab_channel=Pasemi

>>2836983
then they dont need to be coddled with easy to traverse terrain on private property

>>2838758
land ownership isnt required to enjoy the outdoors, as a citizen of norway im entitled of enjoying all our nature.
making a profit from land aka being a farmer its absolutely critical to own land, to some extent. we even there follow the free and unfenced wild hearding samis do (based samis dont give a fuck nor care about """private""" property)
reindeers are winter survivors, sheep and cattle isnt. so sheep and cattle farmers need land to harvest and store for winter forage of their livestock.
>all over the place
yeah in the highlands where no one lives and if you dont like it just fence off your property, its that simple.
are you trying to teach your dad how to fuck? because we had most of these laws established by the time we first discovered north america, it is the natural way of owning land. usa is a young nation, you still havent figured out how to deal with your land, you ironicly trust your goverment to deal with it.

If private property was "abolished" I would immediately establish it lmao

I would expand my borders and shoot every single dumb mofo that crawls onto my land