Thread 2829219

Casual hammock camper here.
So I have been hanging my hammock using this kind of a knot I figured myself out at some point (anybody knows what it actually is formally called?) without any issues, it can be easily undone by pulling on the free end yet it never tightens under a heavy load. Tree trunk goes in the big loop.
But recently I had an outdoor try hard nerd friend of mine say it's a very unsafe knot. Can somebody confirm this? I don't see the problem.

>>2829219 (OP)
This is a troll thread just in case anybody you idiots needed to know.

4 chan used to be fun

>>2829220
Fuck you its not. I just want to know if Im being retarded for not learning proper knots or if knot nerds are being unnecessary anal about things.

It was just easier to post the knot on the cable rather than rope. It is basically tied like the most basic slip knot then making another one through it and collapsing the first loop tight.

>>2829222
At least you got dubs

If you actually want to learn how to die knots there are countless YouTube channels out there. I would recommend HOWNOT2 as a start. No affiliated link he's just good at what he does and his fat assistant always gets me pumped for a climb. Will it hold? Sure numbnuts.

>>2829229
Not really, I just want to understand if/why this one is bad. I know I can probably just learn how to tie Kalmyk Loop which probably works similar?
The thing is the one in the photo is just super easy to tie, starts with overhand knot, onto which you add the slip knot and through the loop of that you add another loop, then tighten the first slip knot to dress it. The best part is you dont need to add in any twists at any point and the only time you need the access to the free end is the first overhand knot.

>>2829230
Ok. All seriousness here. Assuming you aren't a troll. That is a retarded knot. You would be far better off tying a double, or even quadruple when I use dynema cord, slip knot. One end should be a basic loop like a bowline or figure eight but the one you tighten should be a sturdy slip knot, add loops until it sinches.

Just go camping and try it until it works.

>>2829231
I get the sense that it might be retarded, thats why I made the this thread. But why is it so? What part about it doesnt work?
Easy to tie, easy to undo, carries the load just fine.

>>2829234
You are very much trolling. How many hammocks have you ever hung with extension cord.

But to give you a real answer the two loops over the long end of the cord are the only thing doing anything. The other two loops are for show.

You are a faggot desperate for attention. But if you really want to learn how to die knots there are countless YouTube channels devoted to just that.

>>2829236
You are very much so the reason this place sucks ass. I hang my hammock with rope, the power cable is just easier to take photo of since it holds shape better.

>the two loops over the long end of the cord are the only thing doing anything
if you take the "for show" loops out, you are left with Cow Hitch of which you most definitely can not put tension on just one of the lines...

>>2829237
If you add another loopto the bottom it becomes a real knot. But you obviously know this since you are now quoting knots.

Yeah I'm why this board sucks. Not faggots desperate for attention like you.

For $16 you can buy a complete cinch buckle suspension (it’s a little short at 10’)
>no fiddling with knots
>no tangled ropes
>buckles are a better water break than knots
>easier adjustment when changing the hammocks position (sag and height)
>required in some places (supposebly rope damages trees)

Strength might be a factor as well. Typical 1/2” braided polypropylene rope from Lowe’s or HD has a safe working load limit of 250lbs. And the force applied to the rope is often higher than the downward force of your body against the hammock.

Stretchiness can come into play. Polyester webbing is basically static. I’m not sure about polypropylene rope. A small amount isn’t the end of the world, just don’t use something retarded like paracord.

>>2829219 (OP)
>>2829222
>>2829229
>>2829230
animated knots.com
Literally made for retards. Will teach you every knot you need to know camping, SAR, rafting, climbing.

>>2829229
>HOWNOT2
you mean how 2 knot?

>>2829236
>YOU DONT SPEND HECKERINO THOUSANDS ON GEAR LIKE ME!!??!??!?
>YOU MUST BE LARPING

>>2829239
you shitted up this thread with multiple poste about how op is larping and trolling instead of just answering his question and moving on.

>>2829304
>>2829308
OP here, I am considering just sucking it up and buying into the whoopie sling suspension meme. Will a second hand one slide loose in the middle of the night and fuck me up?

>>2829219 (OP)
looks like a cow hitch with some extra sheananigans to keep the loose end in place and giving it a quick release. i imagine that for hammocks it would make more sense to ues any slip knot

try pulling it to find out how safe it is, idk. but it's probably fine, most knots are much more strong than people think. the clove for example is famously known as unsafe but everyone uses it, it's the second most common knot used by climbers and they are trusting their life to it

>>2829219 (OP)
>it's a very unsafe knot
>Holy fucking shit, Anon! You might DIE falling from those lofty heights. Let me show you how it's done.

Is 3mm dyneema better than 4mm one for making whoopie slings for a hammock? Is the 4mm overkill? Costs almost twice as much.

>(pic unrelated, its the only thing I have on hand with a rope in it)

>>2829460
Standard is 7/64”, which is smaller than 3mm

>>2829220
i hope so

>>2829222
bruh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA8xdm8LIs8

>>2829231
we're talking about hanging the hammock right? becket hitch or just webbing and buckles if you're a knotlet. for the tarp, i don't even use knots, i just use dutchware hardware, it's ezpz

>>2829596
>becket hitch
doesnt work since i have one continuous piece going from the hammock all the way around the tree, not suspension strap and a rope

>>2829828
wait what? are you saying that your hammock suspension is just ropes tied directly to the gathered ends? in that case, consider a bowline with a small bight in the working end to break the knot easier. i also used a power cord to make it easier to see :^)

the problem with your original knot, is that you've essentially tied a cow hitch and looped the working end through it in a weird, ineffective way. when you lay in the hammock, you're exerting shear force on the knot, which is not very strong to begin with. that's why your friend said it's an unsafe knot.

if a becket hitch really isn't an option, i'd at least use a bowline. this is one of the strongest knots. when you lay in the hammock, you exert force in the same direction of the knot, tightening it. make sure you've got plenty of slack in the bight, for safety reasons you want the inner loop nice and long.

you may want to tie a figure eight in the working end (plug in pic), but this doesn't strengthen the knot. it simply prevents the working end slipping through and turning into a regular bowline, which could be quite hard to get apart after tightening it down with your bodyweight.

your best option is probably >>2829304 and just spend a few bucks on a buckle suspension:
https://www.warbonnetoutdoors.com/product/complete-webbing-buckles-suspension/

it's virtually retard-proof but you can still fuck it up by having the buckles misaligned:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBvgGC6v8nE

>>2829863
well I just got 20 meters of probably bootleg 4mm dyneema and it feels too thick desu, I am still thinking about making it into a whoopie sling. I just wonder if I can do the setup with just one of them so it acts as a ridgeline? Then hang the hammock on two marlin spikes? does that make any sense as a viable setup? I would essentially have one end of the rope around a tree with a whoopie sling, the other end on the second three, that would require one knot after which I could loosely tension the thing add the two marlin spikes and then have the hammock ends simply slid onto that.

What is the knot in your picture? Is that a bowline you can selfdestruct without it tightening impossibly on itself? that looks quite useful

>>2829896
nvm Im retarded, I just realized I wouldnt be able to get the whoopie sling around the first tree since thats not how they work

>>2829865
how does the weight compare?

>>2831570
your lightest and most versatile option is a becket hitch assuming you can learn one simple knot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA8xdm8LIs8

>>2829896
you're OP right? you're not about to start splicing dyneema rope, sorry. it feels too thick cuz it is too thick. we use 1.75mm and 2.2mm, preferring 1.7mm unless it's something structural like a suspension, then it's 2.2mm. just use what you have to make secure loops at the hammock ends and buy some fucking buckles for like $25.

>>2831572
why not? I just made two locked brummel loops for the hammock. They are deformed cuz I had em as a cows hitch, and hanging on a continuous ridge line on two marlin spikes on the same kind of fake dyneema.

op here

>>2834512
Terrible

>>2834520
Fuck you, the setup works great. Six nights in and counting.

>>2834730
>asks for advice because he doesn’t know what the fuck he’s doing
>gets several solid responses with great tips and solid recommendations
>decides to reinvent the wheel with some janky nigger rigged bullshit
>no tree straps
>camped right next to water to ensure maximum access to bugs

>>2829219 (OP)
>outdoor try hard nerd friend of mine say it's a very unsafe knot.
Is it possible he's just a dumbass who thinks he knows everything and is concerned that the knot can "just come undone" by pulling the free end? I mean he does hang out with you OP...
:^)

Hammock or bivy sack for motocamping in the woods? Hammock seems more comfortable and it isn't likely I'd have trouble finding trees, but setup and bulk seem to be a problem

>>2832976
good job mango, i've tried to splice dyneema and it was workable but annoying. i grew up sailing so my default is "just tie a knot bro"

>>2834734
yeah tree straps + becket hitch is as technical as you ever need to get. barring that, buckles for some solid retard-proofing

>>2834746
it's legit not a good knot

>>2834802
setup is a breeze, you can leave 95% connected and buy some titanium bling for the other 5%

tuning each hang with a level is autism, just put the feet like 1-2' higher and make a pistol with your finger to check the angles

>>2834809
Nice. Hammock seems like the obvious choice, but there seems to be a lot of variety. Should have mentioned, waterproof is a must since I live in the PNW

>>2834734
I'll post more pics in the morning but the only retarded thing here is the thickness of the rope, no straps are fine for old trees with proper rough bark. And the nigger rigged part is just one end of the tarp since I needed the long run of the rope to be close to the stream (the rope runs across it) so I hung it sideways instead of in line with the hammock axis.

>>2834831
Hammocks aren’t waterproof, tarps are. If rain is a major concern then look for a tarp with beaks (like the Warbonnet Thunderfly) or full doors (like the Warbonnet Superfly).

Tarps with beaks are a little more rare. They’re a middle ground between full doors and a regular hexagonal tarp. They add a massive amount of rain protection while adding a marginal amount of weight and bulk.

Tarps with doors really don’t add much more rain protection than beaks, while adding considerably more weight and bulk. They’re often called “winter tarps” because they add wind protection more than anything else. They’re often called also add privacy so people can’t see you jorking it, which you will be doing constantly (don’t lie).

>>2834831
>>2834872
Thunderfly with beaks for comparison.

>>2834874
that's the tarp I rock and love it. My hammock is cheap crap but nice tarp makes all the difference.

>>2835050
I made my own, using theirs as a template. Mine is lighter and has an additional pull on the catenary sides. Plus the construction is super shoddy so it has character.

The thing I really like about Warbonnet is that they use grosgrain along the dive line rather than a flat felled or French seem.

>>2834520
>it's terrible because you didnt spend $6k on a tent to go camping once a year for 3 days like me

>>2835067
>spend $6k on a tent
I’m the guy with the DIY tarp. OP’s setup is terrible.

>>2835072
>im going to pretend to be another anon in an attempt to derail the thread

>>2835073
Here’s my DIY tarp again, fresh off the sewing machine in a local park. OP’s setup is terrible.

>>2835125
>>2835072
Just because I didn't tie down the flaps doesn't mean it's terrible. 8 nights in and no rain yet so why bother.

What material did you use to sew it btw? The Warbonnet stuff is already quite light yet strong and does well in a thunderstorm.

>>2829350
A whoppie sling, at least mine, will slack a little overnight so I just make sure it's on the tighter side and toss all my gear into the hammock to make sure it's under tension. You do that and 'milk it'. No other way to describe it, you pull on the line while milking the splice.

>>2835227
Membrane silpoly. 0.95 oz/sq yd, no sagging at all in rain.

https://ripstopbytheroll.com/collections/tarp-shelter-fabric/products/membrane-silpoly

The thread is Guterman Mara 70. It might be a meme.

>>2835125
everyone starts somewhere

here are the marlin spikes after twelve nights, the setup worked like a charm

Very good thread indeed! Many nights ago jews fooled me into making whoopie slings for my hammock. This would then limit how narrow of a gap I could use for a hang.
Why use whoopie slings, if you can just put an eye on a prusik on the line itself? It can be adjusted down to nothing.

>>2836730
based. how do you get it around a tree tho?

>>2836889
I have straps that are long enough to be wound 2 or 3 times around most trees. Overhand knot and presta. I dont think the overhand knot is ever loaded thanks to the friction of the strap.
You can then use soft shackles, beeners or whatevs. I use shackles.

>>2836900
that sounds like a great un-jewed setup, think Ill land on something similar with straps + rope + marlin spikes to divide the ridgeline (2 for hammock and 1 modified one so you dont have to thread the whole rope through on the fixed end)

>>2836910
Yeah I think the marlin spike option is decent, after all if you have a tree you ought to find a stick.
But I was once considering a daisy chain. Problem was I didnt trust the sewing I did on the old treadle machine I had access to.
Id prefer the daisy chain and soft shackle. I don't want to cut branches if I dont absolutely have to and not carry the toggle. But if you arrive and find nothing yiu probably have to.

>>2836954
you can start looking for a stick along the way

>>2835240
is it the sAme material Warbonnet uses?