Thread 2830541

tourist from /trv/, how do i protect myself when in very very hot environments in terms of clothing? what works in your experience, what doesn't? i know some of you like to lurk around in deserts so i figured you lads would know the best.

so far from what i have read:
cover nape with t-shirt or cloth hanging from brimmed hat
brimmed hat in general
shorts for airflow
natural fibers are even more essential when extra warm
anything else?

>>2830541 (OP)
You take the bedouin pill and cover as much skin as you can in as light and breathable material you can. Long pants (not shorts), a sun hoodie, a hat, maybe even a sunbrella. And then have a rag or bandana or something to be able to soak and then wear on your neck if you really need to cool. I wouldnt worry about natural fibers, all the stuff i use is synthetic.

>>2830541 (OP)
Arabs dress in baggy full clothing and grow their beards (or cover their face for women) for very good reasons and the religious aspect is just there to pass the knowledge down and enforce it to avoid retards burning themselves

>>2830541 (OP)
I'd suggest you drink adequate water.

>>2830541 (OP)
define "very hot". Hot and moist (tropics) or hot and dry (desert)?
What I use(d):
In the tropics:
>low fabric shoes (feiyue in my case)
>wide shorts in town, BDUs in the jungle
>merino shirt
>boonie
In dry heat (Western Germany lol - we get 40°C in summers most years):
>all-leather boots
>cargo shorts in town, cotton jeans in the forest
>merino shirt
>boonie or cheap straw hat

Also merino underwear, all the time. Having sweaty cotton rubbing your balls raw sucks.
>>2830542
Almost all of those are correct under some circumstances, but never all together.
>cover nape with t-shirt or cloth hanging from brimmed hat
Only in dry heat. in the tropics, it'll give you heatstroke. Not fun to experience.
>brimmed hat in general
Kinda. I'd suggest a boonie or slouch hat, though. Preferably made of linen or cotton, since that doesn't make you sweat as much. Get one that's a little big, so the air vents stay away from the head. Panama hats also kinda work, but get fucking expensive if you want the real thing instead of chinese straw (which'll rot in moist climate).
>shorts for airflow
Only in the tropics, and only if you don't need to worry about spiders and other crawlies. Wide, baggy, thin linen or cotton pants are better.
>natural fibers are even more essential when extra warm
Complete bullshit. Merino is pretty comfy, but nylon is just as good. Cotton always sucks (though it's at least bearable in dry heat), linen works in dry, warm climate, but gets uncomfy in extreme heat or wet weather. Hemp is like linen, but worse.

>>2830725
my buddies call my father the unabomber because he dresses like this when he goes fishing. sometimes he'll drop the neck gator if there's no flies but he covers his hands too.

Umbrella

CDT thruhikers? Umbrellas.
Southern section of the PCT? Umbrellas.
Arizona trail? Umbrellas.
Park rangers giving daily tours in the Grand Canyon? Umbrellas.

There are two classes of people who don’t use umbrellas for sun protection: people doing things other than going from point A to point B (fishing, hunting, climbing, working, etc.), and retards who simply don’t know any better.

>50+ UPF
>silver heat-reflective surface
>black underside to absorb heat
>totally ventilated, more so than any other option

>>2830775
>Also merino underwear, all the time. Having sweaty cotton rubbing your balls raw sucks.
merino is the only good choice for underwear in my opinion. the only brand i've found that makes 100% merino underwear, no spandex, is dilling. i'm also glad to see that they now ship to america. when i bought from them, i had to ship it to family in england, who sent it on to me. adding spandex like smartwool does isn't the end of the world, but it's not necessary, and if i'm spending like $40+ on a glorified shart absorber, i expect it to be 100% wool.

>>2830787
stupid little story: when i was young, my cousin had an umbrella on a sunny day. i called it a "parasol" and my cousin went screaming to tell on me to her mother, "ANON CALLED MY UMBRELLA A PARASOL!!!!!1"

>>2830787
Second this, if youre dealing with minimal winds then umbrellas rule. Other than that OP id recommend shielding yourself. Light breathable fabric with light colors. It may sound retarded, but long pants and shirts are better than shorts and tshirts. Also a nice scarf/bandana that you can add ice to, or dip in water, to tie around your neck is nice. You can use a regular bandana or a runners bandana.

>>2830541 (OP)
Dress in white. Pic (very) rel.

>>2830787
>> 50+ UPF
>There's actual zero scientific evidence "sunscreens" actually protect from Sun
>Most are riddled with well known carcinogens

>>2830793
>the only brand i've found that makes 100% merino underwear, no spandex, is dilling.
There's also plenty of chink brands. My current ones are from one of those short-lived amazon brands that was called "sheep run", for example. They don't seem to be around anymore, but there's other ones now. 100% merino except for the rubber band on top. Varusteleka alo has some.
>if i'm spending like $40+
Dunno about trump-era american prices, but I've never paid more than 20€ for unbranded chink stuff here in europe, and the (also chink made) brand-name underwear tends to be around 30€.

>>2830541 (OP)
Linen all day, every day. But it really depends on how hot you mean. In dry heat, and if the outside temperature is higher than body temperature, it's better to wear baggy clothing that insulates your body from the heat, see >>2830549

>>2831229
Anon, you’re posting on an outdoor enthusiast forum. It’s expected that you would have at least a rudimentary knowledge about the fundamentals involved with the topic, in this case gear and clothing. I shouldn’t have to explain the basics to you, yet here we are, with you shitting your retard opinion into the thread.

Just to be clear, you’re talking about sunscreen, which is measured in SPF. You quoted where someone mentioned UPF, which is specific to fabrics.

>>2831235
Have you ever worn actual merino wool, or just Chinese shit claiming to be?

>>2831276
Fine; never cared about it; never had the need, either
>"Retard opinion"
It's actually 100% factual, btw
Still, my point about color is also 100% valid, and it's about temp, anyway, so ir, not uv
Now, go back to your enthusiastic oudoorsyness

>>2831281
>never had the need for UV clothing
Yeah we know

>>2831229
>There's actual zero scientific evidence "sunscreens" actually protect from Sun

Interesting, because I have plenty of anecdotal evidence where I missed some spots. Who needs scientific evidence for this? We’ve all been sunburned while not wearing sunscreen and not sunburned when we did. Just go to the beach or skiing or hiking in a desert or something. Have you really never missed a spot or maybe not gun far up enough on your arms or something? Why would you even care about muh scientific evidence when you have first hand experience of something?

Wait, are you black?

>>2831284
>Triggered!!!
LMAO
>For the whole of human race's history man's been exposed to the Sun their entire life
>Jews tell you Sun is le bad, mkay?
>Suddenly, ermahgerd!!!...
Just kys.

>>2831289
I'm vantablack lol
>Muh anecdote is le best
An actual (recent) study concludes exactly that, but...
>Why would you even care about muh scientific evidence
...Right?
>Inb4 sauce.
It's out there; go find it, smartass

>>2831290
You have an entire thread of people discussing ways of protecting themselves from the sun, and people talking about UV clothing, umbrellas, and even traditional stuff from desert areas… but it’s the Jews. Got it.

>exposed to the sun
Europe isn’t a desert, and for the whole of human existence we’ve used tools (specifically clothing) to adapt to the environment.

>>2831293
>There's actual zero scientific evidence "sunscreens" actually protect from Sun
You can’t walk this back. We don’t need scientific evidence. You might, because you’re the only person itt who’s never missed a spot.

>>2831295
>Le missed spot
What a clown
>Not using muh "sunscreen" for longer than I care to remember, now.
Also, go and take a good look at the fucking ingredients lists if you dare, moron; there's literally apps for that...
And there actually used to be a (US based) site dedicated specifically to rating them back when I still even cared about it (yet, already no longer using them), too; bet you didn't know that either, huh?
>Le desert
Tell me how different that is from the beach?
>Inb4 muh temperature
No, nigger; uv is what you're talking about...
Fucking clueless retards...

I could use some recommendations for clothing brands and styles, I have a trip to the PNW coming up and need fresh clothes. What should I buy?

>>2831277
>another shill who'll soon be advertising overpriced crap brands
Anon, I've worn knit wool from my own sheep (not merino) and an aquaintances merino sheep, varustelekas merino (both chinese and estonian made) and chink stuff. There's literally no noticeable difference in the material, just in the structure (since the home-knit wool obviously had a wider pattern). Overpriced crap from big brands also feels the same in the store, but I'm not gonna spend twice as much just so my underwear has some meme brandname on it. So who knows? maybe they have some burger magic that makes it completely different when you actually wear it?
>inb4 the non-merino should be coarser
Only if you're to much of a penny pincher to separate coarse and fine fibers.

>>2831289
What that anon is probably referring to is that sunscreen blocks only specific wavelengths, which have been proven to cause tanning, but not proven to be directly related to skin cancer. There's some animal studies that showed similar levels of cancer with and without sunscreen. But since most lab animal lines are prone to cancers in the first place, and human studies are pretty much impossible due to how long they'd take and how there's no good control group (most people who are in the sun regularly use sunscreen), I wouldn't trust those studies too much.
I don't use sunscreen either, though - I'd rather trust the naturally evolved melatonin than some chemical mix. Even if that means that I have to limit my time outside during march and april, until my tan is back.

>>2831296
I’ll just go ahead and quote you again so we can all laugh
>There's actual zero scientific evidence "sunscreens" actually protect from Sun
Again, why do you need scientific evidence of this?
>muh cancer!
Don’t care
>muh temperature!
wut?

>>2831326
>Reading comprehension just flew over your head...
>Way to shift goals posts
Go suck on some dick

>>2831296
>how is a desert different from a beach?
The Great Basin desert is the largest desert in the US. The average elevation is 3,000 ft. For every 1,000 feet of elevation gain, UV intensity increases by about 10%. That increase is lower in areas with high humidity (around 5%). Inb4 muh Death Valley. Most desert in the US is at a fairly high elevation.

>>2831329
>Muh US
Lol
Lmao even

>>2831330
Picrel

>>2831329
3000ft is a shitty 900m
>There's over 30 countries with higher avg elevation
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_elevation
>Avg elevation of northern part of this country is just shy of that...

>>2831333
Impertinent. No one who lives in those countries posts here and most aren’t deserts anyway. The average elevation in n Nevada is 5,500ft. Utah is 6,100. Both lie almost entirely within the Great Basin desert, and Utah is an insanely popular outdoor destination.

>>2831340
>Posts here
Irrelevant cope
Amount of people living somewhere is irrelevant to the point

>>2831333
>including non-desert areas like mountains in your average elevation for an argument about deserts

>>2831342
>People don't live in the mountains
Ameritards

>>2831235
i forget how much the dilling stuff was, but remember it being fairly inexpensive for what it is. i bought it over 5 years ago and was more concerned with the logistics of drop shipping it to england, which is no longer an issue.

/out/ is such a stupid god damn board. I can understand boot vs trail runner threads, where there’s at least some nuance to either side. The same for tent vs hammock; any retard can see the pros and cons. Then I click on this thread and Freda that sunburns aren’t real.

Fucking 4chan keeps deleting my posts.

Cover up, long clothing, hat that leaves an air gap around your head, sunglasses, possibly light gloves. Keeping your feet dry can be a challenge if you perspirate heavily so keep that in mind.
Ration water, you don't KNOW how much to drink, you CHECK how much to drink.

Many fabrics and sun block ointment doesn't perform to its advertised level, uv50 ultralight hiking shirts and uv50 sunblock are too good to be true. Often fake.

Covering your neck is a big deal, a broad brimmed hat has to be really broad to achieve this. Cowboy hat, sombrero broad. Inconveniently broad. So protecting your neck with a hood, cotton scarf, high collar shirt is possible a better option in high wind or if you're active.

>>2830541 (OP)
isn't a hat + sunscreen basically enough for most sun protection? You could go for total skin coverage i imagine if you were in really, really harsh environments

>>2832441
>Many fabrics and sun block ointment doesn't perform to its advertised level, uv50 ultralight hiking shirts and uv50 sunblock are too good to be true. Often fake.
Yeah ok that’s great and all but
>sunblock = no skin damage
>no sunblock = skin damage
Same goes for upf50 fabric.
>uv50
Not a thing. Fabrics are measured using UPF, while sunscreens use SPF
>it’s all a lie!
Maybe. Buy from reputable brands that use fabrics tested to the ASTM D6603 standard.

>>2832814
For just sun exposure, yes, but not for heat

How about a hat that doesn't look gay?

>>2833092
I got you covered, Anon.

>>2831333
Desert at 3000-6000 feet elevation is comfy. Desert at 1000' is horrible.

>>2832246
If you think /out/ is bad I have bad news for you about the rest of the site.
call out the retards best you can

>>2834164
Video game boards are filled with people who play video games. None of them would tell me that save data doesn’t exist or that they need scientific studies to show that games are fun.

>>2834298
The truth is, like ZOG agencies, every single board on 4chan serves the opposite purpose of what it claims.

/an/ is for spreading anti-animla, anti-Nature propaganda
/b/ is just the same shit repeated over and over again for years, most of it totally automated by Eglin Air Force Base
/pol/ is literally just government propaganda
/tv/ is for spamming shit nobody watches then lying about how good it is

>>2834298
There's one (1) guy in this thread who claims sunburn isn't real and everyone thinks he's an idiot.

>>2830541 (OP)
Dry Heat:
A wet long-sleeve shirt.
preferably a buttonup, because it makes it easier to get on and off.
Keeps me surprisingly cool working outdoors in temps up to 40c. (though direct sunlight exposure should still be avoided)

Its mildly annoying because you have to re-wet the shirt ever 10-30mins, and how it clings to your skin, and feels too cold when you first put it on, but its 1000x better than heat stroke.

>>2830783
Based. This is unironically a great way of shielding yourself from the sun. Tho it gets stinky if its synthetic material.

>>2831330
Low desert (below 4,000 ft) in Arizona and California literally hit 50-53C every single summer. The sunniest city proper on Earth is in Arizona. The driest desert on Earth is the Atacama. So actually none of the desert records are in the Sahara or Asia, except that they are large in area.

>>2833983
3,000 ft in parts of AZ and CA are still 45C summers. In general low desert in the USA can be characterized by biome. Saguaros cannot survive above roughly 3,500-4,000 ft elevation in the northern part of their range, everything below that is essentially low desert. Low desert in CA and AZ, especially the Colorado desert can actually alternate between -1C in winter lows and 53C in summer highs. High desert in the USA can go upwards of 7,000-8,000 ft in AZ, CO, NM, NV, and CA. But these would be very low elevations compared to the Atacama. The hottest year round place on Earth is likely to be the Danakil depression of Ethiopia (sub-saharan), but recordings from there are not entirely trustworthy or reliable, but it definitely has a very high average temperature in some spots of around 35C (avg includes lows and highs together). The surface temperature of rocks, sands, and soils and manmade surfaces in some small areas of the low desert of California and Arizona has been directly recorded at 190-210F (88-99C, literally boils water poured on it), which is massively higher than the NASA news articles of Iran having satellite soil surface temps of 170F (77C). You will get 3rd degree burns on asphalt in the hottest weeks of summer in even Phoenix, AZ which is not even close to the hottest location in the low desert, it's actually near temperate mountains and rivers.

>>2833288
checked and this is genuinely my all-time favorite piece of outdoor gear. Lightweight, folds up, great coverage and head stays cool. Mine goes on every outdoor adventure with me

>>2839853
Used it myself(the non-ultra version) all summer. Insanely nice, feels like a cheatcode during warm weather.