Thread 2833143

This is literally the most gun that anyone needs in the woods, unless you’re in bear country. Even then, if you can aim then you’ll be fine.

>>2833143 (OP)
Counterpoint
You're a fag and I carry what I want
Discuss

doubbel barrel 12ga is the best choice. you can carry a 3"+ slug in one pipe for brown bear protection and a small pellet mini shell in the other for hunting large insects.

>>2833147
Bear spray has been found to be more consistently effective in deterring bears. But if one’s insecurity deems non-lethal force as gay then a .22 to the brain will put ‘er down quicker than a slug to the lungs.

>>2833152
it's got nothing to do with ego but survival. I'm not trusting some fucking pepper spray on a brown bear. I'm not one of these retards who will shoot at a bear just because it's 20ft away from me and looking at me, but if it comes within 10ft I'm not taking my chances. have fun getting raped then slowly chewed on by a pissed off bear with watery eyes and the sniffles.

>>2833161
From the bear’s perspective, here’s this fuckin human, looks tasty, maybe I’ll take a closer look holy fuck that is the most pain I have ever experienced or could have even comprehended holy fuck I’m out. A bear gets shot and its reaction is “alright fucker lets go” so you better aim well

A study in Alaska of > 200 grizzly bear encounters found a success rate of 92% for bear spray, and 80% for firearms. 60% of shootings killed the bear. If your reaction to that is “well I’m better at aiming my gun I could bump up that higher” then a sprayer says “with my spray aim I can get a higher success rate too”.

>>2833161
You don't have to kill it, only convince it that there are less painful places to be and since it is an intelligent predator it will probably leave. But moose are stupid and angry and horny so maybe you would have to shoot them if they charged you.

>>2833143 (OP)
so this thread was just SO important, that /k/ literally laughed you /out/?

>>2833171
Study is flawed because "80% of (firearms)" is meaningless.
I have an EMT friend that worked Atlanta for a decade and has encountered more gunshot victims than 99.98% of soldiers.
>had a fat guy on a park bench that thought he got stung by a bee. Blood pressure dropped every time EMT lifted his arm. Found a .22 hole in his side.
>gang banger gets transported with (10) 9mm rounds in his torso. Walks out of the hospital 2 weeks later.
>car jacker with a single .357 to the chest- just call the morgue.

Im not sayimg.i shoot at bears, I think bear spray is the proper choice. But I guarantee if every one of those >200 grizzly attacks had encountered someone with 12ga slugs or a .44mag, the success rate would be 100%.

>>2833186
The truth must be spread

>>2833189
I dunno there’s a lot of bear that can get hit with a 12 gauge or .44 that wouldn’t stop it in time before it mauls your face off. Lethal wound does not mean stopping

>>2833203
Ahhh, so then, you decide to use something non-lethal instead. Why not skip the bear spray and just take some pots and pans?

>>2833213
Making noise before you see the bear is indeed a good way of deterring bears, probably the best, but not as effective as bear spray if you do run into a bear, however pots and pans are quite heavy.

>>2833256
I honestly do not believe the whole "most attacks happen when you sneak up on x animal" bullshit. I tend to immediately discredit anyone who thinks that way. Most animals have extremely good senses, not even just one good sense. The entire reason you rarely see large predators in most places in their range is because they are masters of going undetected. They also are mostly crepuscular in response to human presence, and the fact that most of their prey is also. The only way I could imagine someone "sneaking up on a bear and spooking it" is if it's in a fucking den. 9/10 times the fucker senses you coming and just pretends it doesn't because it's probably waiting to ambush you or it's curious/unafraid of humans. Especially true with big cats. Half of the instances of people claiming bear spray is effective(as well as bullets) are probably just people spraying juvenile bears that are simply curious. If a large predator isa ctually in attack mode and charging full speed 5 ft from you, it's too fucking late unless you hit a skilled quick draw killshot. People even miss shots when a hog is charging them. kek. the entire reason black bears often spook from loud noise is because they are completely used to humans and are like a scolded dog when getting caught ruffling through the trash can. the safest way to avoid bear attacks (and plenty of other large animals) is to stay the fuck out of their habitat especially when they have offspring. moose kill more people than any predator combined each year.

>>2833263
If a human is walking along a river into the wind it’s very possible to sneak up on a bear. Sneak up in this instance means the bear only senses you when you’re less than 50 yards from it, which then the bear must decide what to do. Yes if a bear hears you coming from far away he’ll mozy on the other direction. But they’re not super apex predators. Moose on the other hand are retarded and horny so shooting them dead is often the best course of action

>>2833263
>moose kill more people than any predator combined each year
Here's a thought, have you considered that moose are predators, like a vegan hunter, they're not killing for food but for fun.
Lions have been well documented killing for sport and not eating their kills. What's to say a herbivore can't do the same....

>>2833263
I've startled animals plenty of times just walking around. They may have better senses but that doesn't make them perfect. The worst is people's stupid dogs that will harass you because you got unexpectedly close and they're embarrassed they couldn't protect their gay owner.

>>2833271
>>2833263
> moose kill more people than any predator combined each year.
Deadly moose attacks are extremely rare. The only reason this is true is because of people crashing into them on highways.

>>2833143 (OP)
Do bears really just show up in American woods? We don't have that in the uk so I can't envision going to a forest and a giant ass bear just appears. Do you just run or blast them?

>>2833189
Retard boomer take.

Bullets kill by hitting vitals or incapacitate by severing the CNS. Does a .357 magnum change the size or location of the vitals or your spinal cord?

Any bullet to the chest where the heart is - call the morgue you dumb fuck.

>t. carries 9mm G17 in grizzly country during elk hunts, filled with 17+1 G9 penetrator bullets.
>t. carries PMR-30 22 mag to non-grizz country for softer targets like humans, Mt. Lions etc

>>2833278
in most areas, no. 75% of the US has no large predators. we killed them all just like europeans do. their natural range now is limited compared to generations ago. black bears are probably the most common, but they aren't really a turbo predator like brown bears. and they don't have extremely high numbers in most of their range, only in specific regions. so for most people, they will never even see a black bear in their lifetime. out west, there are more large predators, but most are not where people live unless you're in wyoming or something near a national park. alaska is a whole different animal.

>>2833278
You guys used to have wolves. But you fucked everything up.

>>2833161
If I provoke a bear then kill it do I get to recycle the parts by consuming its muscles and innards, making work instruments from bones, and keep its peel for fashioning cowl?

>>2833146
Fpbp

>>2833143 (OP)
I would(and do) just carry a lightweight AR with me when I want a rifle and a pistol if I want something smaller. I've got a long ass(28") 22 rifle that I would use only if I specifically wanted to hunt with a 22 or something, otherwise I just carry an AR because I like it

>>2833152
I don't trust they study. It's liberal propaganda to convince people to get rid of guns. If nothing else, a gun has the added benefit of being loud and scary in addition to being a long range weapon that also works perfectly at a close distance.

>>2833171
That's stupid. You're trying to convince me getting shot with a gun is less painful than mace? Ridiculous.

Also, link the study. I guarantee it's done by an anti-gun advocate and they're facetiously mistepresting the data to fit a narrative. Whenever you dig into their actual methodologies used you'll see some nonsense like they used a pellet gun and fired it in the air because it wouldn't have been ethical to actually shoot the bear just for science.
>>2833186
Kek. More proof it's just some anti-gun but. He couldn't step to actual firearm enthusiasts so now he's hoping he can appeal to what he's hoping is a more environmentally conscious audience. A good trick for identifying these types is to ask yourself: "are they fixing something that isn't broke" 100% of the time the answer is yes. They're waltzing into the room and inventing problems that don't exist and then will eventually try to steer the narrative towards "and that's why we should outlaw doing it the other way for the good of humanity."

>>2833143 (OP)
>Even then, if you can aim then you’ll be fine.
.22LR on a bear ain't gonna do shit

>>2833263
I was nearly trampled by a bison because it was in the brush on the side of a trail and I didn’t see it all.

>>2833874
Aim for the eyes

>>2833143 (OP)
Pepper spray and a knife
Hosts a range of options from peaceful to aggressive
Debilitates the assailant with temporary blindness and you can try to get their nasal passages that whole area
Then if you had to you could use the knife

Also you could grow the peppers yourself and create your own viscous solution
Maybe oil would be enough or light soap

And get a refillable pump sprayer

>semi
>stores up to 3 clips
>packs up small enough to fit inside day bag
>weighs nothing
>floats
>shoots true

>>2834241
>clips

>>2834241
I hate to say it cuz henry is reddit incarnate but this IS the proper choice in the current year

>>2834242
yeah idk what the fuck he's talking about, clips are curved like you see on the AKs
those are some kind of rectangular chambers

>>2834534
They're called magazines, mags for short. An SKS uses clips, an AK uses mags. Almost all small arms since ww2 (and many before it) use mags.

>>2833279
g9 as in the woodsman? saw a couple of those being pushed at my lgs but they looked like they wouldn't feed worth a shit and jam, how do they run in yours?

>>2834241
Kind of a piece of shit though, and feels like it too. Also a lot of steps and time to put together. My personal choice if I needed a hideaway gun would be the 10/22 Backpacker, basically equal bulk stowed (a little longer but way skinnier), faster to get into action, and way nicer to shoot.

>>2834241
I have one of these. It's a neat concept, but poor execution. The barrel goes into the left side of the butt section for storage. This means the left side of the butt section is extra wide, making it awkward for right handed shooters to get a good cheek weld and you have to crank your neck to use the sights. It also jams like a mofo. It would still be useful in a bug out situation though. And I only paid $175 for it. So I do not regret buying it. But it doesn't make it out to the range often.

>>2834534
This is a clip. It is designed to be pushed into an external or internal magazine. most modern firearms do not use clips anymore as detachable magazines are readily available. You can still buy military surplus ammunition in clips. But you will load those clips into magazines.

A curved magazine is still a magazine. The magazines for the Henry survival rifle are not curved regardless, so I'm not sure what point you were going for.

>>2834691
I like the Ruger takedown. It's just too bad it's $100 more than a regular 10/22 and $200 more than the Henry Survival. I have a 10/22 compact with a BX trigger kit, TS-100 tech sights and a full set of modular stocks. Still under the $450 price tag of the takedown model.

>>2834707
I wish clips would make a comeback
yea mags are faster but I like the feel of sliding the stack down from the top
also less metal weight to carry that isn't bullet

>>2834717
Keltec put a clip-fed handgun to market recently. It's whole point is to use the space saved to increase capacity, 20 rounds, while maintaining a small size. Keltec is a gimmick company that makes gimmick guns, but we love the effort.

>>2834708
Mine is a non-takedown as well, and also cheaper than the takedown backpacker even with the optic. I'd still go for one if I needed a takedown gun. Honestly though, outside of specific hunting trips (I intend to suppress mine and pop turkey heads sooner or later, which is legal and somewhat common in my state) I'm not really sure what I'd do with a .22 for general /out/ use, if I do carry a gun it's gonna be something more suited for defense, both against wildlife (bears and cougars) and humans if I happen to encounter a psycho or a cartel grow or something.

>>2833152
A .22 wouldn't clear a bear fat layer much less it's skull.

>>2833146
True, you should carry a whole ass M82 like a Real Man™, don't be a faggot like the OP with his minimalist setup

>>2834893
>minimalist
NTA.. Why even bother? You're not going to hunt anything with it. You're just LARPing. A 22lr is perfectly fine for dispatching an unaware farm animal, but is too small of a bullet to ethically and often legally in most states to take anything but small game.

>>2834774
The takedown feature is good but it limits everything. Why get a super accurate custom barrel if attaching a scope on it is compromised by scope drift from taking it apart? I know this, I have one. Behold, the best woods gun!
>13” barrel doesn’t get snagged on anything
>reliable bolt action
>classic look, walnut and blued steel
>22 magnum is a lot better than .22lr in every way except PPR and availability. I have 2k rounds of maxi mags so not an issue
>skinner peep sights can allow me to accurately hit grouse at 100 yards and I’ve done is many dozens of times
>5, 10 shot magazines
>have killed lots of coyotes with it, not a pee shooter but I can still hunt with it and not blow the meat apart

While there are black bears and mountain lions where I live, I don't feel a need to carry a firearm while out unless I'm actually hunting. In which case, I'll have my .308 if I'm hunting deer or my 20g for turkey. While I could, theoretically(not legally in the case of the deer) take either with a 22lr, I wouldn't.

>>2833143 (OP)
>gun if i go out and dont expect bears or coyotees: Suppressed Keltec CP33 with a pistol brace, still conceal carrying a S&W M&P40
>gun if i go out and expect bears and coyotees: winchester 30-30 levergat, open carrying a 357 magnum revolver
unironically, but sometimes I'll carry a Kar98k instead of a 30-30

>>2834707
You can use clips to reload Ak mags.

Clipper strips

>>2835247
Yes, you will load those bullets from the clip into the magazine. That's what I said.

>>2833874
What about intel .22++++?

>>2834241
I would rather have this

>>2835322
>Mom,can I have folding stock?
>No anon, we have folding stock at home
Is this abomination a way to dodge that random SBR / pistol difference burgercucks make? Or did someone seriously think it a good idea to have a gun that can't shoot in it's collapsed state?

>>2835325
It has a 17" collapsed length and folds out immediately with no assembly. It is the perfect backpack gun.

>>2835321
I wouldn't chance it myself

>>2835322
>>2834241
>>2833143 (OP)
for me, it's a ruger single six with cci quiet-22.

>>2833143 (OP)
At first I looked at this and thought it was really neat- but after first blush; it being .22LR is a downgrade for some people who'd prefer more stopping power- and I like to get active /out/ there and would be afraid of knocking those bullets in the stock out and not realizing it. 4.5/10, a playful pinker.
>>2833152
This is complete disinformation in regard to .22 vs. slug. Your ego can get a retard killed bro
>>2834018
Okay Rambo McSharpshooter
>>2833278
There are different approaches to brown and black bear encounters; but you NEVER run- their prey drive will make them go full retard on you
>>2835322
Your abomination is strangely enticing to look at

>>2835325
NTA.. Most takedowns break at the barrel and will not shoot in it's collapsed state. That rifle has at least a 16in barrel, so it's not a SBR.

I have a Ruger PC9 that's a takedown. It doesn't fold or nest though, so it's two separate pieces( barrel and body) when taken down. That said, I don't take it anywhere but the range. It's a home defense weapon, not an out weapon. I got mine because it doesn't have a pistol grip and therefore doesn't fall under comiefornias assault weapons restrictions.

>>2833152
that's a horrible idea
if you're within 4m of a bear you're chancing yourself

>>2835325
The 16" barrel is dictated by SBR laws, but the general design is just the most efficient for making the gun as short as possible when folded, since the barrel is the one part you can't really do anything to shorten so you may as well isolate it and build the rest of the gun to match its length. With a regular folding stock you'd have to cut the barrel down to like 10" to achieve the same OAL.

>>2833146
My know-it-all buddy gets so butthurt when this is my argument. Kek

>>2833143 (OP)
Wrong.
Boars travel in groups (sounders) of 10-50.
Just dropping one or two wont do shit to the population.
They also have a shoulder.bone thats refered to as the "shield" because its so.massive.
That little piece of shit will just bounce off their skulls. And now you have a pissed off wild board charging you.

>>2836044
>wild board
Pic related

In all seriousness though, those are pretty scary prospects you listed. Don't they have super thick skulls or something too? People always tell me they're like tanks of cartilage and bone

>>2836109
NTA... Their skulls aren't any thicker than domestic pigs. You can drop a domestic pig with a 22lr because you can put the barrel of the rifle nearly touching their forehead. And people still fuck that up, shooting down instead of through, going through their huge nasal cavity instead of into the brain box. You could, in theory, kill "A" wild hog with a 22lr, if you got close enough, got the drop on it and had a perfect shot. But then you're not killing any others, especially if worse comes to worse and they charge you. And you'll want to be withing 20-50y to make that shot. When I'm hunting them, I'm using my .308 and often taking shots at over 100y.

>>2836113
Jeez, the more I hear about wild boar, and the more videos I see, the more seriously I'm learning to take them ngl
.308 is a patrician choice btw
Stay safe and enjoy the high-T bacon bro

>>2836113
Ya their skulls aren't "thicker", just "thick".
If a boar is staring straight at you their forehead will be at about a 30° slope. So even something like a 9mm has a high probability of glancing off.
>>2836141
.308 is a good choice but the AR platform thumper rounds have become popular. .450 Bushmaster, .458 SOCOM, .50 Beowulf- they all have ballistics extremely similar to .45-70 but being in a semi-auto is very beneficial.
The thumper rounds also dump all that energy into the target instead of overpenetrating but the range is dismal and they drop like mad after 150 yards.

>>2833278
Ran into a neighbor at the gas station.
He told me he had seen a black bear cutting across his property and into the woodline where we share a property line.
There was nowhere else for the bear to go but to my property.
I technically never saw the bear at my place but the neighbor didn't see it again so unless scottie beamed it up it was roaming around my forest.

>>2833279
Look I'm just curious, why not just carry the glock?
Why carry a meme fun in .22 WMR when the G17 will do?
You have some sort of equipment rule for mountain lions?

Yeah maybe, but I like to LARP so I will continue going into the woods looking like a mercenary

>>2834691
Also nice that you can carry 2 mags and a box of 50 in the rifle. Thats my preferred plinking woods gun.

>>2834852

wrong. there's a record of a housewife in Montana(?) dropping a brown bear with a single shot to the head from a .22. There were newspaper stories of it at the time with pics.

Granted it was lucky, but it is possible

>>2835321
why do .22lr rounds always have those 2 rings at the base?

>>2839593
Provides multiple sealing "skirts" instead of just one to prevent gas blow-by which is typical in tiny calibers but is extremely detrimental in a low power round like .22

>>2839592
That was an extremely lucky shot to the ear canal.
Literally recorded once in human history.

Shit like pic related happen on occasion also.

>>2834241
Mine is a total jamomatic. I know they didn't design it as it's just an AR7 but I'm surprised Henry hasn't come out with a manual action version since that is what they are best known for. Would be much more useful IMHO. I've never had great luck with auto .22s

Backpacking guns like folders and ones that disassemble for "muh storage" are retarded.
If you need a gun in the woods, you need it fast. Are you going to have the dexterity to do a jigsaw puzzle anon?

Not to mention you cant put the weapon in a low ready with out a shit to of movement and noise. You have to get the damn thing out, assemble or unfold, load, shoulder.
Just carry a normal rifle or pistol if your feeling lucky.

>>2839687
she must have superpowers

>>2834717
US military ammo comes pre-packed in clips in a can. You use a clip adapter to quickly load the magazines with them.

>>2834954
>A 22lr is perfectly fine for dispatching an unaware farm animal
racist

>>2839686
Also stores lubricant in between to reduce lead fouling.

>>2839882
You can use the edge of a table or truck bumper etc to zip a loaded clip into a magazine.
>t. Range duty sucks.

>>2833143 (OP)
>this is the most gun anyone needs
>this 1/1 nonrepeater
>I will have the digital acuity to reload it when charged by moose, bear, boar, or meth heads mentally in 6,500,000 BC
McCandless didn't die, he's here.

>>2833147
>doubbel barrel 12ga is the best choice
Post pic, doubt.

>>2839879
She's aboutr 42yo now, just sayin.

>>2839875
The guns you mentioned are not for any sort of defense. It's literally for popping a bird/squirrel up to maybe a coon.

>>2833173
>less painfull
Idk man I've never met a bear but I've met pig hunting dogs that will get ripped up and keep on the boar. I'm pretty sure predators have a crazy high pain tolerance when they're excited.

>>2833279
I've shot possums 20 meters away with a 22 and the bullet has only entered the skin and and then traveled around inside the skin without penetrating the muscles. It's not entering the chest cavity of a well built human or mountain lion.

>>2836044
The shield is not a bone its in its skin its weird asf

>>2833171
>From the bear’s perspective..
>here’s this fuckin human, looks tasty, maybe I’ll take a ..

You cant fool me, bear paws typed this post. Good try Baloo.

I want to get a little badger and make it into a fishing rod that way I can fish and hunt small game

>>2833278
Do euros really think "american woods" is a singular designation instead of like 200 different things thousands of miles apart?

>>2833143 (OP)
and you can live on a thin gruel and sleep six hours a night but I'm not going to you fucking commie

>>2842666
Yes.
The U.S. has 3x as many deer as all of Europe.
There's more bears in California than all bears in Europe.
And we're not even breaking down all brown/black/grizzly/ in all of the U.S.
And then we get to polar bears....
Germany is the size of Montana.

They don't get it.

>>2833143 (OP)
I live in bear, moose and mountain lion territory. This is not enough gun.

>>2842701
It is enough to hunt deer with so you can follow the blood trail to get meat.
It is not enough to stop a very angry, large animal charging at you.

>>2833143 (OP)
Nah
I would take a .303 No4 Mk1 with soft point ammo, and downloaded OO buckshot for small game (its not a shotgun round you use the OO buckshot in place of a bullet so you don't eviscerate the rabbit or partridge)

>>2842692
>Germany is the size of Montana.
Dah fuck you say ?
Montana 380,800 km2
Germany 357,114 km2

>>2842790
>very angry, large animal charging at you
How often does this happen?

>>2833152
I like both. If I'm camped up for a while or motoring, I rely on my gun. If I'm going for a nice long walk it's gotta be bear spray. The dichotomy is simply quite fake and gay.

>>2842812
Every year during the moose rut

>>2842812
Every night after I come in drunk after telling my wife I was working late.

>>2842811
Yes (?)
Thats a difference of 6%.
Montana is the closest state in size to Germany.
>the U.S. is so massive that 23,000 km2 is considered negligible.

>>2833171
>bear's perspective
>pain
lmao have you seen two bears fight?
those niggers tear chunks out of each other's flesh, muscles, tendons, etc... for like 5 minutes straight then walk away like nothing happened while blood and mucus pours out of the mouth. A spray of mace while ward off a curious bear, but if it is aggressive you're going to want a .44 at minimum
You're best off carrying both because you can also spray fag lord ultralight hippies or homeless vagrants with it while on the trail.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OloflbzNeMs

>>2833152
>you are insecure if you don't trust your life with an aeresol can

I like some three oh hate when innawoods. Any other answer is faggotry

https://youtu.be/rNR2Uh08FrA
/thread

>>2835395
You can get the backpacker magpie stock. Then it would also make a nice woods gun. Which they had that version in 10mm though.

>>2843269
>'if you're going to go camping against bears'

>>2839692
Same experience with auto .22's. I was having issues with my GSG 1911 .22 (bought for cheap plinking at the range), and one of the range masters had the same gun with the same issue. He said he started using CCI mini mags, and that solved the problem.

>>2843349
Those GSGs are godawful. A friend of mine bought one years ago - I think it was rebranded as a SIG - and the POS couldn't make it 3 rounds without a jam. Horrible to clean too with the ejector sticking off the back of the barrel so that it tears your knuckles up if you're not careful.

>>2843349
ive had a smith and wesson m&p 22 and it was like that for the first 200 rounds, it'd stovepipe and jam anything but cci but in recent years I havent seen it jam anything, thing pisses federal and winchester now.

I would like to carry an anti-material cannon but is probably rather cumbersome

>>2843415
Tell me about it. I was pretty disappointed. At least it was inexpensive.

>>2843437
Well, that does give me some hope.

I uniroincally carry my artillery luger into the woods. I store it in a wooden holster stock so people just think its some weird binocular case on a single point sling.
Its handy light and accurate

>>2843259
When that .308 fully penetrates and continues its trajectory out the other side that means a large portion of energy was "wasted".
Id rather have one of the thumper rounds (.450 bushmaster, .458 SOCOM, .50 Beowulf). On paper them mimic .45-70 but in a modern rimless cartridge. They dump majority of their energy on-target.

>>2845141
>using fmj for wildlife/junkie defense.
Nigga your retarded, probably a noguns too

>>2845115
It packs away into the stock? That is cool.

>>2833279
Okay but this is just retarded. Have you seen a grizzly bear? Or any bear really? When they walk their vitals look like they shift all over the place, so it’s a really difficult shot. I don’t even want to imagine how fucked that would be if they’re charging. So given the absolute wealth of rounds available today, why would I gimp myself to a .22? It’s been done, I think the world record grizzly was killed with a .22. But im not that good and I imagine most people aren’t that good to nail an up close heart or head shot with a .22 in full panic

>>2842666
For western Euros the closest thing they have to forests are wooded parks that are chock full of hikers and dog walkers that you can walk across in 2hrs tops and are surrounded on all sides by farms, highways or residential areas. A lot of them imagine American parks to be the same and also think that you can only camp in roadside camping parks like in Europe. Their "woods" are entirely artificial and safely maintained and are virtually impossible to get lost in unless you have dementia or are a literal toddler. If you ever see Germans or Dutch who go missing in national parks this is the reason why.

I'm thinking about either getting a bearcat or a single six convertible, anyone have both?

>>2839593
heeled bullets can't hide them in the neck of the case and unjacketed bullets benefit from having those grooves for better and cleaner engagement with the rifling

>>2843158
I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just blown away at how small Germany is.

>>2845197
>Their "woods" are entirely artificial
There are vanishingly few old growth forests in America.

>>2845152
Yea its pretty handy

>>2833146
fpbp
any other answer is just a cope from cucks

>>2835400
Imo bear sprays high efficacy may be linked to people being more willing to use a non lethal option more readily and causing it to be used in situations where the bear wasn't going to attack. Usually people shooting bears have already been engaged in non lethal deference that's failed so they chances of bluff charges being included are less likely. Plus everyone knows a reported dead bear will involve an investigation.

Imo of course.

>>2846150
Basically this.
Compare how many people saw a bear vs how many people people were killed by a bear.

>>2833143 (OP)
I rather have this

I wish these were more common

Baikal MP-94 with .22 Mag and 20 ga barrels.

>>2833143 (OP)
I prefer the rossi 45LC/410 myself. Its a fun gun to shoot and doesn't weigh a ton.

>>2833278
Was out for a walk and saw a baby bear on the 9 hole golf course by my house. Turn around and walked straight back the way I came. Momma bears are not far from baby.
>t.NorthIdaho

>>2834691
I know I will get shit for this but the Keltec sub2000 with 30rd glock mags is a nice light bush gun. Fits in a backpack with lots of room to spare.

>>2846769
Savage makes a .22mag/410 model

>>2833152
A 22 will bounce off a bear skull. At worse give it a concussion.

>>2833171
I don't care what you or anyone else thinks. How about that?

>>2846776
>bush gun
>9mm
Pick one.
Then go and research what a fucking "brush gun" is.

>>2833147
>hunting large insects
Care to elaborate?

>>2835022
what gun

>>2845255
Used to be about 150% larger.

>>2846886
Are you saying it won't work very effectively?

Wars were won and lost with far less what chance does a bear have?

>>2833143 (OP)
I've used that .22, it's fun. Lately my woods gun has been a ruger gp100 357 but loaded with .38s full-wad cutters. Great for small game, great for self defense against humans, great for mid-sized game, can get large game but I usually carry 6-12 deer or bear rounds of 357 in one speed loader depending on the season. The second speed loader is more wadcutters. I love the versatility and size.

>>2846673
Looks cool but too heavy
>>2846769
Fun but better off with a lighter weight pump action that holds 3-7 rounds
>>2845115
Not bad, a solid choice. I never fired one but I heard they're annoying to reload?
>>2843259
Only good if SHTF imo
>>2840610
I'd still rather have a pump for overall carry. The main thing I like with a DB is the ammo versatility.

>>2835395
Solid. Ruger makes most of my favorite inna woods guns. 9mm?
>>2835322
Solid
>>2835022
Beautiful and comfy. Also solid choice
>>2834774
Solid choice
>>2834708
The ruger takedown is a good gun for innawoods
>>2834691
Looks fine, just cheap?

>>2845141
>458 mimics 45-70 but rimless
no the fuck it does not you actual retard who cant read a ballistic sheet.