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Anonymous No.2833305 >>2833313 >>2833676 >>2833702 >>2833961 >>2835397 >>2835452 >>2837007 >>2837101 >>2837702
Is off-grid living a wealthy person's hobby? I can't live in an off-grid cabin full time because the code doesn't allow that, and I also would need a primary residential address. The only way to make it work off-grid is if you already have a real home.
Anonymous No.2833313 >>2833438 >>2833461 >>2834252 >>2835071 >>2835797
>>2833305 (OP)
Yes of course it is.
Need to buy the land in cash (usually); banks hate bare land loans (pedantic cunts FUCK off. This is largely true, and you know it) - unless you get a normal construction loan (but that implies being “on grid”)
Then you’ll Need to buy a few $10k’s of battery capacity; then solar.(or a generator and a recurring fuel expense.)
Water, septic etc are not cheap (again, you cunty pedantic twats fuck off. You aren’t digging a fucking septic tank and leach field, let alone a well by hand)

Aside from being independently wealthy, about the only realistic way for this is if you’re able to work remotely; build a normal house and incrementally go off grid). But you need income to fund all this. You’re not bootstrapping this via farmers markets and heirloom eggs.
Anonymous No.2833316
Yes and no. To actually live on land yes, but there are plenty of hobos who live off grid for cheap
Anonymous No.2833438 >>2833463 >>2833497 >>2833703
>>2833313
>Aside from being independently wealthy, about the only realistic way for this is if you’re able to work remotely
i saved $60k and built a place innawoods. i survive from mowing my neighbors lawn. life is extremely cheap when you dont have any bills but food and weed
Anonymous No.2833461
>>2833313
>You aren’t digging a fucking septic tank and leach field, let alone a well by hand)
You can't have a sewer system when you're off-grid. Every few years, you need the solids removed. That's not going to happen in the apocalypse. Off-grid to me means shitting in a hand-dug latrine.
Anonymous No.2833463 >>2833565
>>2833438
Very cool, what’s your setup like? And what state/county?

Here in Oregon you’d need a cert. of occupancy which implies a well, septic, and electrical (not sure desu offhand if they’d issue a variance for diy solar). It’s wild, you can sleep on a sidewalk, or put up a tent on someone else’s land, but fuck you if you try to live on your own.
(I went through the hoops to do a rural build, above board - and it was near endless amounts of red tape and delays). That 60k out here would cover the septic, well, and maybe power situation - and that’s assuming you already owned the land.
Anonymous No.2833497 >>2833565
>>2833438
post a picture or something similar to your setup. what's your next project?
Anonymous No.2833565 >>2833575 >>2833688
>>2833463
>>2833497
im in the ozarks both AR and MO have basically no codes out in the country they say the just let the bank handle that if your building with cash you can do whatever you want. i have line power and am so happy i do, everyone i know with solar doesnt like it because its too expensive to do it right (good enough to run a well) and the batteries only last 5 yrs. if the power goes out i will just live like the olden days. i bought cheap land on a hill and have been carving beds into it (picrel), today i planted a fall crop of green beans. i have tons of wild fruit trees and 15 tame ones. the soil here is extra shitty and requires tons of work but after you get all the rocks out it works ok. it never rains in july so i have to water everyother day for about 4hrs. i grow tons of food and have piles of potatoes and butternut squash all over my house. figuring out a way to store them and cutting firewood are my next projects and also canning tomatoes.
Anonymous No.2833575
>>2833565
that's really cool. canning seems like it will be a game changer.
Anonymous No.2833676
>>2833305 (OP)
>Is off-grid living a wealthy person's hobby?
yes unless you want to live back in feudal times
and not just larp
actually live 24/7 for the rest of your life
no power
no food
no money
nothing gets done unless you do
full hands on work from dawn to dusk
its possible but there is a reason why people leave that life as soon as possible
even slaving away in a call center or begging on the street to afford living in civilization is better
Anonymous No.2833688 >>2833694 >>2833697
>>2833565
those people who told you that about solar are wrong, it literally doesn't take shit to run a water pump and most things a non-normie uses in an offgrid setup. Normies want to off grid with solar while also wanting shit like electric heating, water heaters, dishwashers, kettles, etc, they're deathly afraid of using propane for anything
Newer LiFePo5 batteries are way more efficient and last longer etc


If you only had a fridge and basic electronics like lights/computers + water pump, you could put together a solar setup for a few grand that would probably run a day or more without sun, with added batteries costing between 500-1000 dollars
Anonymous No.2833694 >>2833695 >>2833696
>>2833688
My gut tells me that you have no idea what you’re talking about; but okay, what kind of pump are you talking about here? A 240v 3 phase well pump? A 12v RV water pump? Shallow well jet pump? Do tell.

Some anon might listen to that advise and wonder why their inverter melts when the pump kicks on from the surge.
Anonymous No.2833695 >>2833698
>>2833694
nta but electric pumps are pretty much solved. even an average one has efficiency close to the thermodynamic limit (90-95%) and will last a decade or more
you have to assume the guy that actually wants to live off grid will look at the spec sheet of their pump lol
Anonymous No.2833696 >>2833708
>>2833694
sour grapes retard trying to reinvent the wheel, i'm not going to spoonfeed you - people in the desert run everything off of solar, their well pump included. I'm really curious now as to how retarded your ''''offgrid''' setup a few miles from town really is.

>durrr melted inverter I got from harbor freight durrrr why comes my lead acid battery died after I left it in the cold dead last winter? durrr idk skeeter
ask your neighbors if they make moonshine lmao dipshit
Anonymous No.2833697 >>2833706
>>2833688
i live in the homesteading mecca and i know a shitload of people who do solar and ive seen what i said happen with my own eyes. most the solar shit on amazon is junk that doesnt last more than 5 years. the only people happy with their solar spent $40k on a solar company come install top of the line shit. it cost me $425 to have a power pole set and hooked up.
Anonymous No.2833698 >>2833735
>>2833695
not when you are lifting water 250ft+
Anonymous No.2833702
>>2833305 (OP)
>never seen a hobo in his life

You can do practically anything once you leave human standards behind
Anonymous No.2833703 >>2833704 >>2833705
>>2833438
>mowing lawns

This is by far my least favorite task

I refuse to do it

I would rather be thrown off a cliff than engage in one of humanities largest efforts in futility

Just let it fucking grow, humans and lawn mowing is like beavers and trees, just a fucking absolutely bizarre compulsion and anybody playing a role is fucked in the head for it
Anonymous No.2833704 >>2833707
>>2833703
i drive his brand new zero turn mower. its based i can mow a couple acres in a couple hrs
Anonymous No.2833705 >>2833707
>>2833703
>Just let it fucking grow, humans and lawn mowing is like beavers and trees, just a fucking absolutely bizarre compulsion and anybody playing a role is fucked in the head for it
no little trees sprout up and the land will be overtaken by woods. you have to mow it a couple times a year to prevent this from happening, his horses eat that grass and it wont grow if there are trees blocking the sun. have fun in your 15 minute walkable niggercattle feedlot
Anonymous No.2833706 >>2833713
>>2833697
this is the absolute most retarded shit I have ever seen someone try to claim, you haven't seen shit and you don't know shit lmao yikes, typical American. Willing to bet you're from Missouri or some other shithole and didn't move there. Your neighbors know very little outside of how to make moonshine and fish, most are rich yuppies who spend 40k on a solar system like you say. I've been to plenty of houses around the ozarks that use solar for a lot of shit during summer, you're just a dumb bitch and the people around you are probably too poor or too uneducated (like yourself) to do it otherwise
Anonymous No.2833707
>>2833705
This is an extremely odd human compulsion that comes seemingly from nowhere and it should not be supported by society.
>>2833704
Creating work out of nowhere is never good, the desires of boomers should stop being respected. Whoever thought about mowing grass was a fucking idiot. It's a curse on the world. You're all nuts. You're acting like ants. You're acting like beavers. Get the fuck out of my species!
Anonymous No.2833708
>>2833696
Stop assuming every poster is the same person. It was a simple question, no reason to cunt out about it.
Running a well pump off of solar requires a hefty bit of kit is all I was implying.
You salty histrionic woman.
Anonymous No.2833709
and furthermore the scotch-irish were a mistake
Anonymous No.2833710 >>2833711
it's my dream to build a small sustainable shack innawoods anon, admittedly I will have water and electricity but I will have back ups of these and a killer garden, I am a carpenter and construction surveyor so Ill be able to build my own tiny home. Finding a nice block with leftover money to build will be the difficult part.
Anonymous No.2833711 >>2833714 >>2833718
>>2833710
lots of land around this price in arkansas
Anonymous No.2833712
>built tiny house with no paperwork at all whatsoever
>on land that isnt mine

Because I'm a real American that believes freedom is more than just a nice little word.

By the time I finished building it, I decided I would rather ride my bicycle across the country as a nomad.

My friend lives in it now.

Rules are for gays and women.
Anonymous No.2833713 >>2833729
>>2833706
good luck bro, hope you have more than your youtube videos if you take the plunge
Anonymous No.2833714 >>2833715
>>2833711
>that old man's face

I've seen it a trillion fucking times and absolutely all of them are dirtbags
Anonymous No.2833715
>>2833714
We have to stop letting these people absorb the world like some kind of cancer

They will drink the entire milkshake given the chance

It is in their souls you can't talk them out of it you just have to fucking stop them
Anonymous No.2833718 >>2833719 >>2833996 >>2835443
>>2833711
I am an Australian anon, I would love a block with a watercourse in it but it would cost crazy money (land is expensive here and decent land is bound in proximity to coast lines)
Anonymous No.2833719 >>2833721 >>2833722
>>2833718
We have that issue in the southwest. The entire rest of America has white northern european morality white rights, but the southwest has 1800s spanish beaner slave bullshit water rights.

The ranchers, who are usually white, keep this wrong thing going because it benefits them outrageously compared to, you know, everybody else.
Anonymous No.2833721
>>2833719
white northern european morality water rights*

If you're northern european by ancestry, you know in the deepest part of your soul that no man can own a river
Anonymous No.2833722 >>2833725 >>2833727 >>2833731 >>2834568
>>2833719
This blocks location is remote (in the oldest living rain forest on the planet which has survived 2 ice ages) the river next to it would also be fucking teaming with man eating salt water crocodiles
Anonymous No.2833725
>>2833722
Welp anon, it seems as if you should simply just stop following the rules of society if this is how you are constrained.

I grew up in Appalachia. It is fully natural for me to not follow rules and just do whatever I think is right. It's a better way to live, having seen the rest of America I would have struggled a lot if I didn't have this mental freedom. The developed world is shit. Break free.
Anonymous No.2833727 >>2833728
>>2833722
>Steve Doble
>that guys face

Yet another greedy grinder of the world, it's quite obvious. I bet he even calls himself a christian and goes to a mega church to help bolster his sale of the planet(this crime is only meant to pay for his food and sex life by the way).
Anonymous No.2833728 >>2837127
>>2833727
Real estate agents could quite literally disppear over night and it wouldn't make a difference to the world, I mean that sincerely. Tbh I want to live within an hours drive to a big city, but those blocks are too expensive, I could probably find suitable block but it would be like 2.5 hours away driving minimum.
Deal with that when I get there
Anonymous No.2833729
>>2833713
hit the nail on the head didn't I? lmao t he projection
Anonymous No.2833730 >>2833735
Mowing lawns is a futile effort for something that is irrational

Therefore I simply cannot bring myself to make money in such a way

It's sad, because it's easy fucking money

But I'd feel niggerbrained the ENTIRE time
Anonymous No.2833731 >>2833732
>>2833722
920k + 80k hidden fees + 100k for planning/approval + 200k earth works + 100k building a stable foundation in a swamp + 500k+ to actually build a home + its still off grid at the end of the day + tax
Anonymous No.2833732 >>2833919
>>2833731
OR you just go innawoods and just dont ask permission and stay smart and dont let anybody tell you any different
Anonymous No.2833735 >>2833736 >>2835035 >>2837096
>>2833730
eatcheese!,
>>2833698
rainfall,,,happens.,everyear!,just have catch themall., then 12volt,20$ pump.
Anonymous No.2833736 >>2833737 >>2833739
>>2833735
i know atleast 10 people who came to the ozarks with your attitude and then july and august hit.
Anonymous No.2833737 >>2833738
>>2833736
sounds like you got it all figured out obviously, gee you should start a youtube channel or something bro you sound so smart and full of wisdom from your *checks notes* time spent in rich /out/ larp land
Anonymous No.2833738 >>2835798
>>2833737
water access is the most important thing you need, no well is the main cause of a homestead failing. i just got done planting a row of fall beets.
Anonymous No.2833739 >>2833743
>>2833736
hada,,,week ofog.,carefull with pressure tank to not run out of water,,,fireplace heat,,,tiny solar lights.,
,,,no internets wasucky!, reading Bible was devine/
Anonymous No.2833741
Anonymous No.2833743 >>2833763
>>2833739
why do boomers do this thing where they use commas like periods, but only when putting a bunch in a row like ellipses
Anonymous No.2833763 >>2833940
>>2833743
ihold,,,the copywrite for commas,,,getting Rich!
,,all these hillsare YOURS,,,14 daysat atime.,
,Thank YOU for paying me 0.004 penny a year in gibbs.,
,,,have a fresh pic.
Anonymous No.2833919
>>2833732
thats not what this thread is about
Anonymous No.2833940 >>2833941
>>2833763
,,,,,,forgot my signature,,,,,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ADAM AND EVE NOT ADAM AND STEVE

MARINES BOOT CAMP CLASS 1967 HOORAH
Anonymous No.2833941
>>2833940
HEY BILL

HOWS THE OLD BALL AND CHAIN?

DID YOU GET THE CORVETTE WORKING??

HOORAH PARIS ISLAND 67'
RETIRED 68' TWISTED ANKLE
Anonymous No.2833961
>>2833305 (OP)
Pretty much. Most of the really cool /out/ shit has significant economic barriers to entry. Equipment, transportation, logistics, etc.
Anonymous No.2833996 >>2835443
>>2833718
I am also an Ausfag in the same predicament. Looking for land to build a "tiny house" or cabin to live in. Was thinking towards compostable toilet. I live in the Snowy region and even here land is expensive.
Anonymous No.2834005 >>2834134 >>2834145
>I also would need a primary residential address.
You would have one if you aren't squatting. Off grid people still own their land, dumbass. You can also just get a PO box.
Anonymous No.2834134
>>2834005
You'll get hunted down by the county government if you list your off-grid cabin as your primary.
Anonymous No.2834145
>>2834005
In some counties you can't get a mailing address to your house aka a mailbox unless you have a sewer system

no i'm not kidding, I know of trailers in missouri that have to use their neighbors address because they don't have a septic and instead have just a leech field
Anonymous No.2834252 >>2835038 >>2835889
>>2833313
>You aren’t digging a well by hand
humans have dug wells by hand for millennia. its even easer today. just get a bunch if precast concrete rings, lay them upright on the ground and dig on the inside. keep digging and adding pieces util you hit water. you an make a 15-20m well in a month with 2 people.
theres also very low tech manual drill setups you can weld together yourself. or you get land that has a spring or two.
>septic and leech field
dry composting toilet and greywater filtration beds. just dont shit in your drinking water, problem solved.
Anonymous No.2834568
>>2833722
>1M for a piece of river floodplane in the middle of nowhere


are these guys serious?
Anonymous No.2834797 >>2835043
>Is off-grid living a wealthy person's hobby?
I visited my friend earlier this year, he's been living off-grid for a bit over a year.
Off-grid in the sense of not connected to sewage, water, power or renovation, no road, fairly isolated from other people, and working at becoming as self-sufficient as possible, without complete self-reliance being a goal - he's too pragmatic and fond of the good life for that.
He's not rich by any common understanding of the word, but his priorities are unconventional.
It's a bit of a type-up over several posts, but I'll get to it if anyone is interested.
Anonymous No.2835035
>>2833735
bacon is that you?
Anonymous No.2835038 >>2835042
>>2834252
you mean dig down and then dig out sideways u der the ring so it sinks, once its at grohnd level put a ring on top and repeat? You sure shit wont ever get stuck?
Ova here they do wells differently, depe ding on what layer you hit you go with a drill on a very long rod made from sections, or you just pump water down and flush everything out, or a bucket with a valve at the bottom, drop it in and pull it up to get sand, worst is hitting a bigger rock, sometimes 3 claws made from rebar a bit like a whisk help retrieving those. And always keep adding sections of well pipe.
Anonymous No.2835042
>>2835038
ESL
Anonymous No.2835043 >>2837761
>>2834797
well anon...tell me more about your sexy friend............. living off grid is just sooooo sexy *siiiiiiiiiiiigh*
Anonymous No.2835071 >>2835077
>>2833313
Which online degree is easiest to find any remote work
Anonymous No.2835077
>>2835071
>online degree
lol
Anonymous No.2835357
/diy/ here

I bought cheap land with cash over a decade ago, took apart a large chunk of a building set to be demolished and have since built a fully permitted, paid for legal off-grid house with septic.

Solar, the hardware I bought used, nee lifepo4 batteries, 5 kw was 1300.
I got certified as an installer and designer for the type of septic plans I had, did all that myself.

last piece is the well, currently run off spring and rainwater right now but good god the misinformation is wild here.
your town doesnt care if you owe money or not. Addresses have to do more with the 911 maps than anything else. Your town zoning administrator is the one to go to.

it isnt easy per se, but its totally possible to go off grid in America with little capital, at least in some places
Anonymous No.2835397 >>2835413
>>2833305 (OP)
>Is off-grid living a wealthy person's hobby?
No. It is not expensive. The problem is most peoples inflated standards. People bowadays want this and that and everything and then somehow assume they can have all the same things, off grid innawoods.
Electric fridge, sewage, washing machine, internet, heating, shower, running water, hot water... all those things.
You want to effectively live on-grid, just not next to the other guy, like everyone, and you're lookinv to have what everyone wants but for cheap. Which never exists.
You can live off grid for cheap:
Buy unincorporated land. Preferably with some structure on it. Find shelter in that structure. Find water. Carry water in containers. Scavenge dead wood in the area to heat the structure when really necessary. Dig a hole to shit. Get 1 PV panel to run an electric light and keep your phone charged (you dont really use it anymore, no service anyways). Catch rainwater. Bathe in a natural body of water and wash your clothes there.
Having on-grid anemities off-grid is naturally more expensive than being on grid. After all you need to buy one of everything that townsfolk share. You need an own well, own pump, own power plant, water works, septic and what not.
Anonymous No.2835413 >>2835429
>>2835397
It really depends on the state and county though.
Oregon for example; you cannot live on your own land without an occupancy permit. But even that withstanding, the barrier is always going to be land prices, and what you can afford in cash. At least 5 acres, legal access.. but check the jurisdictional rules on dwelling. Trying to skirt those rules will eventually fist you.

Cheap land is always cheap for a reason, so your due diligence.
Anonymous No.2835429 >>2835436
>>2835413
IMO you're confirming my point. Some, like OP, believe living /out/ was expensive becauye of inflated standards or the desire to maintain the standards.
Cheap land is cheap because, like you said, it provides none of the anemities associated with settlements.
You either give up on those or you naturally pay more than you would in a settlement because you're trying to do all of that yourself.
In other words:
Some are essentially thinking: How to live in a rich residential area, without being rich, which is impossible.
Because that is exactly what the rich are doing: Far away enough from your neighbours, the street and peasants to bot be disturbed, enough space for a garden or park ajd your kids to play in safety, close enough to town to get to all the places and have municipal facilities. And so that is what makes land expensive. It's far enough away from others, comes with an expansive lot for a garden, has a road, water, sewage and gas leading up to it. Is close enough to some international airport but not in the approach corridor. And so on.
So yeah is there a cheat code to rich without rich? No.
But living /out/ is not expensive. But you should really have an idea how you are going to get some money in the bank on a regular basis for things you can not or won't produce yourself:
Basic foods like grains and legumes, clothing, tools, bicycle repair, ammo, fishing gear, electric light and such.
That's the hard part in my opinion. Must suck ass to grow old in that setting, get injured one winter, unable to go trapping or hunting, not enough rice, pasta and flour stocked, no money.
So essentially: Living like that also means accepting nature, including things coming to an end unexpectedly and very quickly due to minor events.
Anonymous No.2835436 >>2835536 >>2835794
>>2835429
Tbh I should have been more specific; potable water.
There’s tons of 5-10 acre plots all over the place, but if the ground water is polluted (parts of Appalachia), 300+ feet deep (west coast, mountain west) - it doesn’t matter how cheap the land is, it’s not going to work (okay okay, rain catchment might work; but man that’s a gamble.. trucking water in is $$$)
Im not super familiar with things outside of Oregon; but seeing these posts about
>buy a few acres
>setup personal slab city
>live happily ever after
Are just painful after a while. Not to be a demoralizing cunt; but if someone is actually going to do this and not just larp - it’s a huge amount of research and planning. But that might be why the ratio of posts:
> I did this
Vs
>it’s so easy , here’s what you do
Are so incredibly lopsided.
Anonymous No.2835443
>>2833718
>>2833996
Have you considered leaving the hell island you inhabit?
Anonymous No.2835452
>>2833305 (OP)
Im going to try for this someday.....
Anonymous No.2835527
so.... At least in my tiny socialist shithole state....

"mailing address" and "residential address" are associated with DMV stuff and filing taxes, stuff done by boring dry people in state buildings who dont care about little town shit. You can use whatever address you can get enough mail at to meet the dmv threshold and then ride the hell out of a p.o..box for anything else, but tax people and car people do not give a rats ass if you are or arent living in a tiny house.

you gotta keep your town and neighbors happy, which, for most things at least when you start out your gonna be in a grey area.
in my town with no police, theres very little enforcement power the town actually has; sure, theres all the stuff written down, but unless you are doing something outside the lines enough the staties can be called and will respond, civil court is about the other toothiest option- and as a town suing your own taxpayers is not really what they wanna do, its gonna be a huge financial loss maybe resulting in tax foreclosure on the property.

thats very anecdotal, there's a lot backwards about living where I do, but it really is about keeping your neighbors happy and not rocking the boat. as my tinfoil hat neighbors say, they only have the power you give them
Anonymous No.2835536 >>2835794
>>2835436
My man I'm with you on this. All I am saying is 'offgrid living' is not really a rich mans thing.
I could rephrase it again: A rich man is rich enough to essentially 'live on grid' in an area where others would habe to live off grid.
Off grid living was the de facto standard for the majority of the poorest people and still is for many. And there is a reason why those people, when they see the chance out of that, take it.
It is why you can for example buy cheap chink shit. Because somewhere in china a man was tired of living off grid and decided everything is better, even moving to the city, hot bunking with 10 other guys in a room to work 14 hours a day in a toxic factory.
Yeah maybe a flashy gif with a disclaimer should be made so. it can be posted in threads like this.
I said it up there: You will likely not grow very old and also die very miserably.
If you can generate something of value, say fur, maybe you can sell some of that and get food for the winter and bad days. But as soon as you fall ill youre fucked.
Anonymous No.2835755
"desert cant rainwater collection."
,,,,,Godelivers LOTS!,
,,just need to gather inthe storm.
Anonymous No.2835794
>>2835436
>>2835536
Iihave something semi similar. I have chickens, ducks, getting some sheep soon, I bought 2 water tanks at 7,000 capacity. Use them to collect rainwater, the house pool has 15k gallons in that, My water heaters are all solar, I have a windmill and some solar panels connected to batteries. I got a shipping container full of diesel and gas drums. It's all still a work in process.Take vs time but it's bveen worth every cent. Im dying on that land in 50 ish years lmao.
Anonymous No.2835797
>>2833313
I want to add that you dod this step by step. Build slowly. Im moderately wealthy but even then I save for good equiment, and spends time working with inefficient itewms (cheap fire starrters etc)
Pace yourself and become familiar with your uqipment well.
Anonymous No.2835798 >>2835799
>>2833738
thisss We're sourcing from a small river near our home. Put them underground so nothing fucks with them.
Anonymous No.2835799
>>2835798
second this
Anonymous No.2835801
Make sure you bring extra tires and pvc tubes for wiring and water breaks. unless you only have galvanized there. If you're out by cokotes get a mini 14 (cheaper) and jjust that and two dogs fixes that problem. Even if you only have c hickens. theyll try and get in there. Kee a good stock of medical suppliese and canned/preserved food and meats. If youre really out there and goign to spend months at a time. Solar power is the way. That gets expensive quckly
Anonymous No.2835802
I will admit. I have solar but also have a diesel generator that can power everything in the house, heaters, all the tech, fridge, both freezers
HUGE thing for me. For peace of mind.
Anonymous No.2835889 >>2835892
>>2834252
>dug wells by hand for millennia.
And 1 in 5 children never lived to the age of 3.
Shallow wells like youre talking about are pathogen vectors and have caused more deaths than war.
There's a reason theyre either no longer used or highly regulated in first world countries.

Pic related is a Sand Point (currently sitting on the porch of my cabin innawoods). You drive it down with about 27 feet of pipe for a hand pump.
Anonymous No.2835892 >>2837039
>>2835889
And here's the pump for it.

I have a 220 foot deep well with a 1/2hp pump.
The sand point and hand pump are for powerfailures and apocalyptic scenarios, I've been meaning to get it installed but been busy.

So to answer everyone's questions- yes an off-grid cabin can be done but its expensive and/or takes a lot of work.
I bought 20 acres and a few years later bought the 20 adjoining acres.
It took me years to get it livable (because im not rich). For longer than I care to admit I was shitting in a bucket and carting 20 gallons of water jugs a day (filled up at a friend's house in town) just to flush the toilet and water some saplings.
Anonymous No.2837007
>>2833305 (OP)
Basically, you’re not allowed to exist unless the state and the banks can leech money from you for the privilege.
Anonymous No.2837039 >>2837083
>>2835892
>flush toilet
>without plumbing

??? flushed it into your leech field? why not just shit inna trench inna woods?
Anonymous No.2837083 >>2837427
>>2837039
I compressed it a little because I get tired of posting 5 page blogs.

I started with a cabin, no utilities.
Had to build as my wageslaving allowed.
Almost froze to death the first winter when it was 17°F (no heating, didn't have insulation yet, just 2x4 stud walls and external siding).
Got electricity.
Shitting in bucket but atleast not in the dark.
Got septic.
Shitting in toilet but no running water.
Got well.

Cabin was about $10k when i moved in with another $10k to finish out.
Electricity: $900
Septic: $2,000 but covid fucked PVC prices and the same system from same installer is $5k today.
Well: $9k- 220 feet deep, water at 120 feet, 1/2hp pump sitting at 170 feet. 100 gallon steel expansion tank. Well rated at about 100 gallon per minute (available water, not what the small pump is capable of). Delicious water which is nice because I've been on property with sulfur issues.

I found the property on landandfarm.com.
It was one of those "no money down, no credit check, owner financed" deals.
Speculator bought an old farm that was being sold off for back taxes. It was overgrown with pines and they logged it, made back some money then cut it into parcels. I was recently lucky enough to buy an adjoining parcel when another buyer got bored with it.
Anonymous No.2837096 >>2837116
>>2833735
Where in Smith Valley, Nevada, is this?
Anonymous No.2837101
>>2833305 (OP)
Yes, Maggie Mae Fish did a video about it a few years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIcnCaVsYFI
Most of the "Off-grid" influencers are wealthy and or connected (like that one dude in the video having a fucking construction firm where he can siphon workers from or whatever), with only a very few being open about the fact that what enables their off-grid lifestyle is having huge swafts of money.
Unrelated but: They also tend to only show the "romantic" parts of off grid living. Rarely do you see someone waist deep in shit trying to deal with their waste system, ya know?
Anonymous No.2837116
>>2837096
yesterday,,,neighbors did 20 mule team!,
,,,totaly forgot PICS?,,the Joy wasoverwelming.,
,imagine,,,,20.
Anonymous No.2837118
justwo.
Anonymous No.2837127 >>2837141
>>2833728
I mean, they're just a stupid middle man. The real problem is with people being allowed to own land and homes, there's about 640 thousand hoemless people in the US, and depending on whose statistic you use, about 12 to 15+ million vacant homes. So depending on which stats are correct, every homeless person could be given 15 to 24 homes, and we'd still have vacant homes. But no, people would rather leave these homes empty, waiting for profit, rather than distributing it to people who need them. Why is that allowed? I'm not even against the concept of owning a home. But why should any human on earth be allowed to own more homes than he personally lives in? I'd imagine that'd result in being able to own a home for under a million dollars again real quick.
Anonymous No.2837141 >>2837145
>>2837127
Lol.
I have 3 houses.
Live in #1, vacation in #2, rent #3.
I'll bet you have netflix and xbox subscriptions. I'll also bet you've seen more than 2 Hollywood capeshits in the theater this year.

Thats why you live in an apparent and will never own a home. Because you have zero fiscal discipline.
Stay poor.
It pays my bills.
Anonymous No.2837145 >>2837204
>>2837141
It will be good when people like you own nothing

The ladder pullers of the world thinking they are smart for being the first to be cowards

You will merely have done it all for nothing
Anonymous No.2837204 >>2837261
>>2837145
Youre a lazy piece of shit.
That's why you have nothing.
I was born poor. Ive never inherited a God damn thing. Everything I have i worked my ass off for and EARNED.

Stop playing video games and spending your wagie paycheck on plastic trash.
Take that Christmas bonus to an antique store and by a nice vintage dining room table.
Start planning your life instead of wasting it.
BaconRider !yuA7eZE8l2 No.2837208
Godrenching,,,desert?,skywater go BOOM!
Anonymous No.2837213
Anonymous No.2837261 >>2837269
>>2837204
>I rent out a house
>Youre a lazy piece of shit
>worked and EARNED
KEK delusional faggot leech
Anonymous No.2837269
>>2837261
>bought a house with money I worked my ass off for.
>fixed it up
>lived in it
>saved more money by not spending my paycheck on funkopops.
>bought another house (1907 build) and restored it after work instead of playing COD.
>move into house #2 after 3 years of blood and sweat.
>rent #1 do dumbfuck loser like you to pay off credit cards i used to build #2

Stay poor.
Stay mad.
Fucking loser.
Anonymous No.2837427 >>2837431
>>2837083
>Electricity: $900
Lavish!,
,,my laptop uses 8 watts,,,,and hasitsown batteries.,router adds 7.,panels cost 105$ for 200 watts,,7 hours a day sunlight in winter= way over 1000 watts.,
,,old system of 500 watts on Overcast day,under 4 inchsnowas producing 50watts?,sweet.
,,so,ya lavishowoff.,,,nice.
Anonymous No.2837431 >>2837459
>>2837427
>way over 1000 watts.,
Oh wow, you can run a refrigerator. Or a microwave. Just not both at the same time. Or anything else at the same time.
Anonymous No.2837459 >>2837462
>>2837431
That’s kind of the compromise you make with trying to go off grid.
What kind of modern conveniences are you willing to cut back on, or completely do without?
(That said, if you exclude heating and a clothes dryer, that would be enough for lights, router, non-gaming pc, tv etc. solar is pretty cheap, storage is coming down in price as well)
Anonymous No.2837462
>>2837459
>willing to cut back on, or completely do without?
Im not living without A/C when its 100 degrees.
My smallest welder is 240v@19amps. Might as well just kill me now if I cant weld.
Another part of self sufficient means having a deep freezer as well as a nor.al fridge.

Im glad that solar is getting a little bettwr but still comes up a little shy between number of panels needed and battery price/maintenance.
Anonymous No.2837692
https://livingenergyfarm.org/energy/

This family in Virginia has been using what is coined as a "DC micro grid" since 2012 without any generators or fuel. Everything they run on the farm is converted to utilize DC electric. They claim the monetary cost is reduced something like 80 to 90% for the solar system compared to traditional systems converting to AC

Storage and batteries are the main expense when going solar but panels themselves are actually pretty cheap especially if you buy surplus.

Their fridge is like a chest freezer so the cold sinks to the bottom and it generates what they need throughout the day and stays cold over night without any further current until the next day.

All of the tools, workshop, vehicles, & the grain mill etc runs throughout the day while the sun is shining with what they call "day light drive". For lighting and mobile phones at night, they use some nickel-iron batteries which are resilient from shorting out and long lasting (decades if maintained)

Solar thermal heating and a focus on efficient insulation etc.

They said every major appliance can be purchased as or converted to DC with a little knowledge

Just check out the website there is a ton of information on their processes they cover everything.

Its definitely interesting.
Anonymous No.2837697 >>2837699
Anonymous No.2837699
>>2837697
Ass
Anonymous No.2837702
>>2833305 (OP)
i rent and am building an off grid cabin. the trick is to build it to the size that doesn't require permits. also what is a PO box or your parents address.
Anonymous No.2837761 >>2837762
>>2835043
(Sorry for the late reply, I was occupied with some things)
I visited a dear friend this summer, and he lives very well off the grid(ish).
He bought a small old farm (abandoned just after the war) on an island. Really just the main house, everything else was for shit: Pastures overgrown and full of rocks fallen down from the surrounding mountains, old barn had a tree growing through it, other buildings had plain fallen over from wind and rot.
House wasn't much either, old and worn down, but it kept the rain and most of the wind out. In clear language, it was a fucking dump, and he got it for a pittance, on the sole condition that if he ever change his mind and sell it, that the woman who sold it to him would have the option to buy it back.
Heating and cooking was done with a beautifully incongruous modern and shiny Thermorossi wood range, a supremely gucci piece of equipment he bought and installed with no small trouble - Had to knock out part of an interior wall - because he is very fond of cooking and eating well.
We installed two solar panels and a battery bank last year, which is enough to power a small refrigerator/freezer (about mid-thigh height), a few lights (used sparingly, could probably be replaced with battery powered lanterns), charge electronics as needed - phone, torch/headlamp, GPS collars for his sheep (20) and cattle (4), and supposedly also for a small washing machine he had just bought. And one of those small projectors you can cast your phone to. Of course there's also a small generator, for the dark winter months.
Shitting was done in an outhouse, water drawn from a nearby river, only refuse to take out was plastic and what glass and metal he couldn't use for canning or storage.

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Anonymous No.2837762 >>2837763
>>2837761
As I wrote, he has his livestock, and though he has let his sheep go empty one year while he got settled, he was looking to get them bred this year. The cows, he wasn't sure about, but they'll eventually make good eating anyway.
His vegetables and potatoes were coming along nicely after his soil improvement efforts of last year, and should be ready for the harvest.
He has his tractor he can drive along the shore to get to the town centre whenever there's a spring tide if he has anything big to pick up, otherwise it was walking three kilometres out of a valley, over a ridge and along a pasture to get to the nearest road, where he has a cheap little ATV parked for getting to and fro. I packed in four BiBs of wine, twelve kilos of dog food and three bottles of liquor from the mainland, plus some groceries and the clothes and toiletries I needed when I came to visit.
He would himself make the trip a few days of the week, working when he was needed in a factory, or to go fishing on his boat, not surprisingly also an old disreputable-looking thing without many modern conveniences, but it has an economical, simple, and reliable engine, and it stayed afloat, as it should. We fished for saithe and haddock, set crab pots and got some royal good meals out of that, and I dove for scallops and found a few. What we didn't use ourselves, we just sold at the quay, or packed and froze in a freezer he had standing in a friend's barn in exchange for some of yesteryear's lamb meat.
Overall, he bartered for a lot of conveniences and goods, which I thought was really clever as a stopgap until he got settled with his own means of dealing with it.

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Anonymous No.2837763
>>2837762
Of course, he's not entirely self-sufficient.
Instead of trying to mow the steep sides of the valley for winter feed, he buys it, with the very good reasoning that the equipment he needs to mow and bale the hay costs more money and bother than he could ever hope of earning back.
Instead of cutting and planting trees for firewood, he buys it, with the very good reasoning that the few sparse trees around him won't keep him warm for long, so instead he just buys a few thousand litre bags of wood a few times a year and drives them up to the farm when he can get them with his tractor.
Fresh food, any drink other than water, dry goods, petrol for the generator and ATV, diesel for the boat and tractor(...) he still buys, but with some planning ahead it's no big deal.
Still, he lives without any close neighbours, doing what he wants, with living costs so low that he doesn't need to worry about getting by, only working when he needs a little extra money, and he has excellent meat and fish to eat.
Despite his relaxed relationship with cleanliness and personal hygiene, he is a genuinely intelligent man, well educated and experienced in agriculture and with many clever ideas about synergies between the fishery and farming, and with no qualms about proving it with himself as test subject.
I was surprised to see how well he was doing, but the takeaway is that you don't need a lot to *live* off-grid. It's only if you want to live in the same high style and comfort as you do on-grid, with running water, plenty of electricity, fast internet, shitting indoors(...), or if you want to be entirely self-sufficient (grain, meat, veg, dairy, eggs, feed, firewood...), that it gets difficult and/or expensive.
His devil-may-care attitude was just to get out there, start living, and figure out the rest as he went, and it seems to work.

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