Thread 2834435

sitting in bed when I'm not hiking because of the pain
as soon as the pain goes away I start hiking again

I hate the idea of the texture of those boots on a treadmill

why doesn't he wear the helmet?

>>2834435 (OP)
I train for long hikes, sort of. Inb4 just hike more lol. By June it’s getting too warm and I start to fish a lot more. The calluses on my feet are noticeably thinner by the time it’s “hiking season” again, so I have to walk to keep them up. It’s 2 ten mile walks a week, which is time consuming but great for mental health.

I also think trap bar deadlift with a focus on quad activation rather than hip hinging is probably one of the best all around, singular leg exercises for hiking. Walking/hiking primarily uses the hamstrings and quads, and trap bar DL works the hamstrings better than squats while hitting the quads better than BB DL.


Also while I think cardio is important, I feel like it’s over stressed for hiking. Or maybe strength training is understated.

>>2834435 (OP)
I hike up a mountain every week.

>>2834435 (OP)
For Denali I trained 6 days per week. A tabata routine in the morning (8 sets, 20sec rest between sets): jumping jacks, bodyweight squats, weighted lunges, pushups, weighted 1 leg squats. In the afternoon/evening I would do a 5 to 10km run. One day a week I would do a longer hike with 45lb pack. One day a week (Sunday) I did nothing.

It was quite effective.

Now that I finally live in the mountains I just run/bike a few times a week, hike 1-2x week and I do some weights every so often. My routine sucks now and my fitness isn't as good as it used to be but I am also older and struggling with some bad chronic back and nerve problems.

I have an extended relative who is aged yet better than any of us at /out/ing.
I asked him what it takes to get better at hiking, and his number 1 advice was essentially trail running (steep mountainous cardio), and number 2 was weighted practice on the trail.

>>2834506
this

>>2834435 (OP)
man what a way to ruin the tread on your expensive boots

>>2835080
They're climbing boots.

>>2835082
my point stands

>>2835084
Alright, genuine question. Why would you out yourself like that?

>>2835085
Just because they are made of a more rigid and tough material doesn't mean they don't wear.

>>2835086
Again: why would you out yourself like that? Are you trying to be funny?

>>2835087
Again, are you retarded? First of all those aren't climbing boots. Climbing boots are flexible. What he has on are mountaineering boots, which you can easily tell by the crampon hook support on the back. Mountaineering boots have tread, just like any other and yes they can wear out.

>>2834435 (OP)
I walk innawoods

>>2834435 (OP)
>needs to train indoors to go outside
it's over

>>2835087
welcome to /out/ where the only activities that considered out are hiking and camping. Anything else simply isnt outdoors. I wish i was making this up.

>>2835318
general threads are the exception as people like >>2835088 dont use those threads for obvious reasons so either find s different website for outdoors discussion or go into a general thread

>>2835319
if you wanna know the general level of expertise on this board as well last year we had someone unironically fill a butane lighter wih lighterfluid thining it would work, numerous people say knot tying is useless, and multiple people say hunting which requires you to go outdoors isnt outdoors we also had someone cook an animal on a fire and completelt char it becaude they didnt know how to do an essential outdoors skill, cooking on a fire

>>2835320
>we also had someone cook an animal on a fire and completelt char it becaude they didnt know how to do an essential outdoors skill, cooking on a fire
didn't see the thread but I feel like I can forgive this one. bet it was funny

>>2835320
Sounds like a Carl McCunn situation. Y'all know about Carl McCunn? He was a photographer who travelled to Alaska to take some pictures.

If you don't, read his article on Wikipedia if you want to lmfao. A couple outtakes.

>Although McCunn thought he had arranged for a friend who was a pilot to return for him in August, he apparently had never confirmed this.
>"I think I should have used more foresight about arranging my departure. I'll soon find out."
>McCunn compounded the error by never telling his friend he had hired the air taxi service to fly him to the remote location.
>He also had to travel for firewood, as he wanted to leave the land surrounding his camp the way he found it.[
>On this trip, he flew in with 500 rolls of film, 1,400 pounds (640 kg) of provisions, two rifles, and a shotgun. Believing he would not need them, he prematurely disposed of five boxes of shotgun shells in the river near his camp.
>"I keep thinking of all the shotgun shells I threw away about two months ago. Had five boxes and when I kept seeing them sitting there I felt rather silly for having brought so many. (Felt like a war monger.) So I threw all away ... but about a dozen ... real bright. ... Who would have known I might need them just to keep from starving?"

It's a journey worth taking

>>2835317
Most people do.

I ran a MeetUp group and we often had people who would jump straight from the couch to backpacking. 6 or 8 miles is when it switches from type 1 to type 2 fun. 10 to 12 miles is where it switches to type 3 fun (basically no longer fun and just a grind).

If you hike often, then you’re not most people. Most people are fat or skinny fat. If you have a solid gym routine, you might be ok. I say “might” because a lot of guys straight up don’t work legs or cardio, and no gym routine will condition your feet. Most just focus on upper body strength training, which is better than nothing, but does little to increase V02 max, blood plasma, base heart rate, sweat response, heat tolerance, and so on.

>>2835337
so would stairmaster be a good use case or just incline treadmill?

There's nothing more funny than people gatekeeping a hobby and telling you that you don't do it unless you mimic their exact behaviors. Not everyone is a desk jockey that sits around for 12 hours or more a day.

>>2835347
it's very common place on /out/ for people to do this

>>2835338
Compared to just sitting around, playing Minecraft, and jerking off any kind of exercise is fantastic.

Are stair climbers and treadmills the best? Not really; hiking is the best. How long can someone realistically use a stair climber? How long will they use an inclined (but never declined) treadmill before they get bored and go home? Can they stay in high zone 2 or low zone 3 long enough to really build endurance for a long hike?

On the other hand, hiking for health (or prepping for a much longer hike) isn’t really time efficient. How long can someone hike after work?

A mix of everything is probably the best route. Use cardio equipment for more intense cardio, hike on weekends (and maybe once during the week) with a pack for improved endurance, and use strength training for improved muscle recovery.

So I've been involved in some mountaineering classes and guiding and the #1 most important outcome-based training for climbing mountains is weighed pack hikes on steep inclines. As much weight as you can bear and still keep about a 1500 vertical feet per hour pace, and as steep as possible with the same.

It is, almost, the single most important training and indicator of successful climbing outcomes. Sure, cross train in other things, but if you only have time in your schedule for one training activity - don't run, don't lift weights, or bike, or swim, or anything else. HIIT is the worst, stay away from it for climbing. I've been with so many super fit people who bonk halfway to the summit because they can run a 20min 5K and think that means shit on the mountain. It doesn't.

As much weight as you can, as steep as you can, for as long as you can, while still maintaining a 1500 verts/hr. Increase the weight as you get stronger.

>>2835362
It’s true. It’s also doesn’t help anyone.

How often do you think most people can train this way? I’d say once a week, two if they do it on Saturday and Sunday. For me, the nearest area with enough vertical gain is over an hour away.

>>2835088
to give some slack to OP you don't really need tread as they're going to be warn with crampons anyway (especially since it looks like a full shank boot). Its also good practice to use the boots once in a while to check on the condition. but yeah its not something that should be done everyday as apart of training

>>2835439
>to give some slack to OP you don't really need tread as they're going to be warn with crampons anyway (especially since it looks like a full shank boot).
i don't know about you anon but i'll wear my full shank boots on the approach the whole way and even climb in them for trips where weight matters

>inb4 get a pair of trail runners
i know i should, just haven't gotten around to it

>>2835362
>I've been with so many super fit people who bonk halfway to the summit because they can run a 20min 5K and think that means shit on the mountain
well yeah, they've practiced anaerobic zone 4 training.

mountaineering is "can you uphill zone 2 nonstop for 8 hours in a row". And that's before the mental endurance game of dealing with discomfort in bad weather, etc.

>>2835362
>1500 verts/hr
What if the most elevation gain within a 5-hour radius of you is only 1400 feet?

>>2835555
>most elevation gain within 1hr of me is 300ft at 10* grade.
Training for mountains is: walk on flat ground with a full pack and on the trip just don't do a lot of miles/altitude, which is fine because I can just chill. Work a physical job, I don't need the exercise.

>>2835555
15% incline treadmill with full pack on for hours at a time

>>2834435 (OP)
pantyboy

>>2834436
Realest shit I ever seen on this website

>>2835366
>>2835555
>What if the most elevation gain within a 5-hour radius of you is only 1400 feet?
>For me, the nearest area with enough vertical gain is over an hour away.
One of the guys I climbed Ama Dablam with was from Singapore, he did all his pre-trip training marching up and down the stairwell of his apartment building.

>>2835639
What

>>2835338
Hiking over long distances with elevation gains (and losses) requires two things: cardio endurance and leg strength. Are those exercises good for both leg strength and cardio endurance? Sort of.

A weight routine is obviously better for strength but does little for endurance. Walking is great for endurance, specifically high zone 2 cardio, but doesn’t do much for leg strength.

All exercises will lean one way or ther other. Stairs will build both, but are they good enough for leg strength? Can you do them long enough to build cardio endurance before your legs are done?

>>2835362
Read this post becaue this guy is absolutely 100% dead on. I used to do HIT circuits, then tabatha until I was on the floor laughing/dying. None of that shit was as good as repeat climbing up and down 11 stories of stairs with a heavy pack. Start with no weight, and give it lots of time. Anybody who says they have no time to go up and down things with weight, but wants to prance around in a fucking gym with their hotshit 'mountaineering routine' is just posing, you are eventually going to get found out on real hills.
And build up your long distance tolerance, just walk for hours and work on no blisters, no injuries.

>>2835714
>I used to do HIT circuits, then tabatha until I was on the floor laughing

What

>>2834435 (OP)
i walk a shit ton in my daily life anyway because public transit here is spotty so i just fill up the bag and go. unfortunately ive ended up with tendonitis in both feet as a result LOL

>>2835714
I did this back when I worked in the city (minus a pack). Eventually security told me I was no longer allowed to walk up and down the stairs repeatedly after doing it a bunch of times. They thought I was up to something fishy

>>2835717
It’s a liar just talking out of his ass. “Tabatha” is an autocorrect of Tabata. Tabata training is a form of HIIT.

>>2835706
This is correct. Unless you have fucking beastly legs, you’re going to bonk on stairs or a stair climber long before you get a good enough workout.

>>2835747
I wanted to know why he was laughing

>>2834435 (OP)
>Treadmilling in mountaineering boots with a full steel shank
That cant be fun. Why not a stair machine?

this is 100% a bot thread wtf am i reading

>>2835793
>wtf am I reading?
You’re reading fitness advice from skinny-fat indoor enthusiasts and legitimate fatsos who haven’t seen their dicks since Trump’s first term.

>>2835833
>skinny-fat
I've never understood why mutts use this term. There isn't such a thing. You are just, fat.

>>2835843
That's just fat.

>>2835793
you have autism

>>2835844
So you see a guy who appears thin or of normal weight and think “that’s a fat guy?” Of course you don’t. You don’t have a term for it because you refuse to use the decades-old descriptor of skinny-fat. You’re just being contrarian.

>>2835849
>a guy who appears thin or of normal weight
He's not thin or normal weight, he's fat.
skinny fat tards always have a belly. you don't look at a skinny fat and go "wow he has such tight abs", no you go "wow, he looks fat" while his arms and legs are toothpicks

>>2835336
I just read his Wikipedia article... Jesus. He managed to kill himself through extreme stupidity. What an absolutely crazy read.

>>2835853
>>2835853
>no you go "wow, he looks fat" while his arms and legs are toothpicks

So fat...and skinny. One might even say...skinny-fat.

>>2835336
>there was a fort only 75 miles away
>instead of walking out he just shoots himself

Fucking hell, man. George De Longs crew made like 100x that distance eating their own fucking shoes in Siberia.

>>2835859
There was a hunting cabin five miles away... yet they found him frozen and skeletonized in his tent.

>>2835857
best example of skinny fat are people that have a belly strictly when they sit down but look average otherwise

>>2835747
No, tabatha is a typo of Tabata.
>>2835756
I was laughing because falling on the floor due to total exhaustion is somewhat comical as well as painful.

>>2835860
reminds me of people on this board unironically.
>spend thousands in gear
>doesnt know how to use any of it
>doesnt even know the essentials
>screeches about how they went camping recently so they're better than you because they went outside as if camping is the only outdoor activity
>"BUT IM GOING OUTSIDE AND YOU ARENT"
>animated excited s0!jak
>has to travel all the way across the country just to go camping
it's like being born by the great lakes snd then hating fishing or being born into a family with a massive hunting ranch and then you hate hunting. It's just dumb. dont do something for internet points do it because you actually like it.
I remember earlier this year someoen complained that they wanna get into out stuff but cant camp only to reveal later in the thread they live in a state that has good fishing.

i literally went fishing this past weekend. It was great most of it was bycatch but i had a lot of fun.

>>2835362
this but train downhill as much as uphill

>>2835870
>spend thousands in gear
lol no. This more is mostly poor people. I do t think I’ve ever seen anyone post a dynema tent while there are Chinkshit gear threads every week.

>doesnt know how to use any of it
Seen that a bunch though

>doesnt even know the essentials
I could count in one hand the number of times I’ve seen people mention the Ten Essentials.

>screeches about how they went camping recently so they're better than you because they went outside as if camping is the only outdoor activity
>"BUT IM GOING OUTSIDE AND YOU ARENT"
>animated excited s0!jak
All true

>has to travel all the way across the country just to go camping
>has to
I couldn’t imagine just sticking to one local area when there’s so much to see in the US. But no one here ever talks about destination trips because, again, they’re all poor.

>>2835870
>dont do something for internet points do it because you actually like it
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WHY DONT YOU LIKE FISHING IF YOU LIVE NEXT TO THE GREAT LAKES YOUR SUPPOSED TO LIKE FISHING GOD FUCKING DAMNIT
lol...

>>2835706
Explosive strength for weight training with squats is not as useful as muscular endurance, so for mountaineering/alpinism going uphill with a pack on is best. Strength training is supplemental mostly to prevent injury.

>>2835918
>weight training and squats implies explosive strength
DYEL?

Mountain athlete here. Training for the New Alpinism by Steve House is my bible and contains everything you need to know.

>>2835849
Correct, american. That's just fat.

>>2834435 (OP)
I've never been above 1100 feet of elevation except in jets.. A friend of mine, who smoked and drank more than I can without falling on my fucking face when trundling around my own kitchen, used to hike up Longs Peak for shits and giggles. 11,000 fucking feet. I'd pass out by around 9000.

>>2834435 (OP)
Throw rocks in a pack. If it's good enough for Tenzing Norgay it's good enough for (you)

>>2838975
Longs Peak in Colorado? You start above 9000 feet.