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Anonymous No.2834484 >>2834546 >>2834547 >>2834570 >>2834685 >>2835012 >>2835294 >>2835297 >>2835587 >>2835764 >>2835773
Water Treatment Tier List
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Anonymous No.2834486 >>2834488
just boil it lol
Anonymous No.2834488 >>2834494
>>2834486
Retard
Anonymous No.2834493
i got cryptosporidium once, granted, thats a parasite. but it sucked
i usually just boil my water, i have a sawyer squeeze, but i dont bring it unless i know beforehand that i will need to get water from questionable sources
Anonymous No.2834494
>>2834488
imagine carrying the chemical jew
Anonymous No.2834546
>>2834484 (OP)
>No steripen
Shit list.
Anonymous No.2834547 >>2834571
>>2834484 (OP)
>Steripen
>C
Why?
Anonymous No.2834570 >>2834640 >>2834933 >>2836173
>>2834484 (OP)
why does everyone like the sawyer squeeze over the mini there is now way to just hang it and filter, you have to sit there and manually squeeze 6 litres of water through it every day your hiking
Anonymous No.2834571 >>2834680
>>2834547
maybe because it is a scam? and its a 50/50 gamble if it does anything.
Anonymous No.2834640
>>2834570
i hook it up on my smart water bottle and just suck out of it if i need to boil something sure ill squeeze but its like half a liter at most
Anonymous No.2834680
>>2834571
>maybe because it is a scam?
How?
>and its a 50/50 gamble if it does anything.
What are you talking about?
Anonymous No.2834685
>>2834484 (OP)
There is still a ton of discarded gear from the AT sobos in the hundred mile wilderness. I picked up an abandoned Katadyn water filter, the light gray one. Thoughts on them? I haven't used it yet but my initial impression is that it's probably not worth taking over a sawyer for backpacking, more of a car camping thing.
Anonymous No.2834686
does anyone use a reverse osmosis pump/filter?
im thinking of getting a kayak and going around my countries coastline
shouldnt it be easy to hook a pump up to a 12v solar panel and have it fill up a bottle while i paddle?
Anonymous No.2834688 >>2836295
I still have a lifestraw from 5 years ago I haven’t used yet. What are the biggest issues?
Anonymous No.2834696 >>2834825
just do enemas. Hydrates you as well but it's the non sterile end anyways. Nothing will go upstream.
Anonymous No.2834825 >>2834837 >>2834936
>>2834696
Are you sure injecting parasites directly up your rectum won't result in a parasitic infection? Can you back that claim up with evidence?
Anonymous No.2834837
>>2834825
It looks like the enema has a risk but should be fine for a bidet
Anonymous No.2834933 >>2835575
>>2834570
Mini takes five times longer.
Anonymous No.2834936 >>2836516
>>2834825
No I dont but it's just my general sentiment that the area is already heavy with microbiology. It also has very capable defenses, should anything go wrong your body will just decide to flush the ever living hell out of that area (at this point I'll admit the hydration aspect is somewhat ckcompromised, maybe try again tomorrow?). Also things would generally have to travel 'upstream'.
I get how parasites that have specifically adapted to this vector will be problematic. YOLO I guess.
Anonymous No.2835012 >>2835251
>>2834484 (OP)
been using that MSR pump forever and its perfect. only aryans use Nalgenes anyway
Anonymous No.2835251
>>2835012
My nigga.
Love this little guy.
>Omg, it weighs a pound!
So? A gallon of water weighs 8.
Anonymous No.2835280
I bought a mini cause I didn't know any better. if both sides had an adapter I wouldn't mind that it's slower. functionally, there's nothing wrong with it tho. surprised you don't consider the squeeze S tier. everyone uses it
Anonymous No.2835294 >>2835305
>>2834484 (OP)
Do you guys generally filter all your water at the source before filling up you storage containers, or do you fill your water bag/bottle/whatever with untreated water and only filter when needed? Also, how paranoid are you about using untreated water for general cleaning tasks (i.e. not drinking it)? I feel like these factors can influence what kind of treatment suits you best.
Anonymous No.2835297 >>2835306
>>2834484 (OP)
I have the Sawyer mini. Why is it so low in D?
Anonymous No.2835305
>>2835294
>Do you guys generally filter all your water at the source
nah, I fill the water bag with untreated water and stop to filter when my water bottle is empty. only treated water goes in my bottle. for cleaning I use filtered water but if it's the last day I might rinse my shit in the stream.
Anonymous No.2835306
>>2835297
the squeeze is a better product but I don't think the mini needs to be that low. it works fine and it's cheap.
Anonymous No.2835329 >>2835373 >>2835576
Strange, could've sworn I replied to this thread before. Did the trannies start deleting replies again?
Anyways, the sawyer mini squeeze shouldn't be that high, it's far inferior to the mini. About the same throughput, but not having the ridges means dirty water drips down into your clean water, unless you're running it in line. Also more expensive.
The big squeeze, I haven't tried, but the design clearly has the same flaw.
Chemical solutions always run the risk of being misdosed. Too much, and you'll poison yourself, too little, and it won't work. And I guess why all those "400l, then replace the filter element" pieces of shit suck doesn't need to be said.

My main filter is the sawyer mini, with boiling and chemical sterilization as emergency solutions.
Anonymous No.2835373
>>2835329
I filter with the mini and use tablets as well, dosen't taste great but I want the bad shit gone
Anonymous No.2835575
>>2834933
yeah but you don't have to sit there and squeeze for 20 minutes just to produce 3 litres of water so you can go to bed. you just hang it
Anonymous No.2835576
>>2835329
Yeah the squeeze shills are in full force today, i'm starting to wonder if they actually go overnight or fi they are just sipping 500ml trailside as they dayhike or something. Cause my friends with the squeezes are always seething at night when I just setup my mini and process 6 litres while I sit and smoke.
Anonymous No.2835587 >>2836296
>>2834484 (OP)
I have a katydyn, it sucks but nothing that I’ve borrowed or that belongs to friends I’ve traveled with was better enough that I will replace it. The main reason I hate my katydyn was because it was the only water purification with on a 8 day trip with 10 people and highs approaching 100°f, so it got used to death.
Anonymous No.2835680
TPD - Total Pathogen Death. I boil water in camp, I use chlorine+silver purification tablets for 1+ hours in my bottles. They kill everything - viruses, amoebas... I drink chlorinated water from the tap. I don't think this will kill me.
Anonymous No.2835764
>>2834484 (OP)
Grayl in D seems fucked for me. Have been using with no problems for some years now. But then again the water here is very clean as it is, so maybe im fooled.
Anonymous No.2835773
>>2834484 (OP)
ayo hol up, do people actually like their Sawyers? I threw mine out after trying to filter 4 liters through it and picked up a guardian after using my buddy's. No hate <3, but is it just price that makes them attractive?
Also, unrelated, but do people like the katadyn pockets? They look heavy as fuck.
Anonymous No.2835776 >>2836170 >>2836179
Wait what's wrong with boiling water?
Anonymous No.2836170
>>2835776
nothing. just isn't really necessary in most parts of the US. a filter with threaded input and output is easier. can just make a gravity filter and relax till it's done.
Anonymous No.2836173 >>2839170
>>2834570
When do you have time when hiking to just sit there and let your drinking water percolate? Are you really carrying all of your water for the entire day of hiking?
Anonymous No.2836179 >>2836291
I switched to Aquamira like 15 years ago because it’s more convenient. There’s a certain cadence to using it, and it’s the least effective, but it’s nice not having to stop at inopportune times to filter water. Inb4 people who have never used it tell me how my opinion is wrong.

>>2835776
It depends on the type of camping trip. If your goal is hiking rather than camping, it’s impractical because it takes a lot of time and fuel, plus drinking warm water isn’t very pleasant. If you’re at camp, it’s fine, as long as there’s ample time for it to cool down.
Anonymous No.2836291 >>2836297
>>2836179
Wouldn't it just take 10 or 15 min to start a fire and boil water? Can take a break and eat
Anonymous No.2836295
>>2834688
>drinking water through a straw
shiggy
Anonymous No.2836296
>>2835587
what a retarded post
Anonymous No.2836297
>>2836291
You’re speaking in hypotheticals. Go hiking and figure it out for yourself. Everyone else has already done that, and realized that yes, boiling is impractical.
Anonymous No.2836338 >>2836348 >>2836358 >>2839080
I'm convinced all these are meme products and seriously question their utility.

Water is of critical importance so in almost all cases you're better carrying the water you need in with you. It's very heavy, unfortunately that is a feature of water. Is it worth attempting to purify collected water? usually not. You'd only do that if you ran out of the purified water you carried in, which you carried in, because it's so important to have water.

If you need less than 5L of water, you just carry it. you're probably not going far enough that you're going to be carrying much else, over such a short distance the first and foremost way you would run into trouble is running out of water. So you just carry the water. What volume of water do you need before avoiding carrying it makes any sense?
If you happen to find water, is it worth dumping the clean water you have? no. if you're ABC and there's no water at B as expected, well you just walk back, hike fail, sort of. you successfully managed your own resources and went on a shorter walk then you expected.

Do you need an infinite supply of water? no. maybe you need 20L, you don't need 200L.
Want to avoid chemicals? how about avoiding them at home for a week before you go /out/, how about taking water purification to the one place you actually need it, and avoiding tap water for a week at home where shitting liquid wouldn't be a problem.

Am I the only one? Like come on.
Just take aqua-tabs, split them up in your bags so you always have at least 2, add a gallon ziplock bag.
If you want to filter the water before you purify it, just flock it and siphon the clear water from the top,
Anonymous No.2836348 >>2836356
>>2836338
>I'm convinced all these are meme products and seriously question their utility.
their utility is obvious
>Just take aqua-tabs,
people do this and it works fine. some might not like the taste or having to wait for the tablets to take effect. some might just prefer a filter that screws to their water bottle or water container.
Anonymous No.2836356
>>2836348
but there are significant drawbacks of the filter, in that it can be contaminated, offers you no way of decontaminating the bottles you fill from or with it, the gravity fed ones don't really work in transit because they are far too slow, many of the hand pump ones may not actually work under gravity pressure if the pump fails. they aren't unitary, so can't be divided between packs etc.

It's a problem with turgid water, if the only water you have is really nasty, what options do you have to pre-treat it?
If your plan A is chemical treatment, makeshift filtration as a pre-treatment is dead easy and there are a bunch of ways you can do that. But if your plan A is filtration, pre-treating the water might save you backwashing your filter a few times and is still recommended, but as a setup it offers far less value.

How do you manage snow? you can just bottle snow with the aquatab, it will work very slowly but it will work while you are mobile. and you can then roughly filter it after it's been chemically treated. With a filter, where you store snow,whether you can pump it at all, whether junk in the snow will shit up your filter are all relevant issues.

Not liking the taste, given how important water is for your safety, is a complaint you get a slap for. grow up. put electrolyte salt in it, Gatorade powder, coffee powder, whatever.

I just don't see why you would chose a mechanical system as plan B, when the value of chemical treatment for backup is so obvious. It decontaminates found containers, contaminated containers, collection containers, is unitary so you can put two tabs in every bag.
And I question filters utility as a plan A on the basis of how much water you should probably be packing in originally, how reliable your collection sites are, your surplus margins, and how many of these filter systems would oblige you to camp/rest on a water source.
Anonymous No.2836358 >>2836363
>>2836338
>in almost all cases you're better carrying the water you need in with you
Spoken like a true /in/ fag.
I'm usually one of the guys saying you can carry more than you think, if you've got the proper gear (alice all the way), but seriously, carrying water?
Let me give you an actual frame of reference:
In summer, I need around 5l / day just for drinking + ~1l for rehydrating food. Per day. With a normal weekend trip (friday afternoon to sunday evening), that means having to pack ~15l just for eating and drinking. In the evenings, when I'm also carrying water for washing up for the last hill, that would mean carrying 20kg of water + ~3kg of water bags. 23 kg in total.
in winter, it's even worse, since the dry air dehydrates you at night, too. There, it's closer to 7l / day, which brings us to almost 30kg of water + containers. That means using a bigger pack, since even my large molle alice won't fit that much with the rest of the gear, so I'd have to carry my largest pack (savotta xl + pouches).
I'll spare you the exact calculations, but that would bring my normal pack weight of 12kg during the day and 15 kg for the ladst ascent to somewhere around 50kg, even with otherwise spartan, minimal equipment. With comfortable gear (tent instead of tarp, groundsheet instead of just a pad, cooking vessels instead of cup noodles etc), weight would get closer to 60kg. There's no reasonable way to cary that much weight crosscountry.
And obviously, with proper trips, the numbers get even worse - for my longest trip so far, I would've had to carry over 100kg even assuming I would've resupplied at every village I passed through, or ~500kg if I'd just resupplied in the towns I resupplied food in.
Anonymous No.2836360
Also disclaimer, I don't recommend aqua-tabs as a brand, am not an aqua tab shill. use whatever brand you want.
A+B is better for a primary supply, tabs are better for a backup supply.

Because this happens to me all the time, I get to a water source, flock my water and run it through some cotton into by bottles, drop tabs into the bottles, 5 minutes later I'm ready to go.
Party member 1 is trying to drink a liter of water through a life straw and spit it into a water bottle, party member 2 has constructed some kind of hour glass filter and is re-packing their bag so it fits and doesn't just come apart soaking their gear, party member 3 is trailing behind because they rucked a ton of water but at least that's one of us who isn't getting the shits and safe water for the first idiot who does. party member 4 has some really expensive squeeze pump and will spend the next hour intermitently fooling with it to get the liter of water it holds through it.

If shit hits the fan, I've got enough tabs/chemical for everyone, for the whole trip, for 1oz, in my pocket.
The tabs are in my deep concealment bag, my IFAK/first aid kit, in my rucksack, in my day bag. If the Taliban capture me I can shove them up my ass. very high survivability as a system, that's why I recommend tabs over A+B, simply the survivability of having 20 separate tabs. I can also disinfect found containers, so lets say we have a broken leg and have to remain in place, well we might have to ruck water to that place and store it in anything we can find that holds water. The tabs will pretty reliably clean the inside of discarded water bottles, the outside of plastic sheets, a cars inner tire tube, If all of the above occur at once, I can distribute the tabs as a ration to everyone in the party. if one person must hike out to get help, while I haul water to the location of an injured party member.
Anonymous No.2836363
>>2836358
My comment was made in a specific context and I stand by what I said.
At the low need end,the weight of rucking in water isn't a real issue. you must carry a given quantity of potable water anyway so the amount you can actually avoid carrying is fractional, you piss the water out as soon as you start, you can dump surplus towards the end.

As you get into the high needs bracket, such as the example you present, where you couldn't carry sufficient water if you wanted to, at that point I would still recommend against the filter but on a different basis. The scalability, survivability, liability presented by the filter system makes it a poor choice for those managing critical water resources.

you obvious do just fine with the filter, lots of people do, there's no fundamental issue with filter system. but that's no reason to recommend them, and I don't.
Anonymous No.2836516 >>2836520
>>2834936
>is already heavy with microbiology.
Not that heavy.
>It also has very capable defenses,
Yeah, but those defenses exist when you put water in your mouth, not inundate your asshole with baby tapeworms.
>should anything go wrong your body will just decide to flush the ever living hell out of that area
Sure, and you might end up in the middle of nowhere, extremely sick and dehydrated.
Anonymous No.2836520
>>2836516
Told you: Just try the same thing again tomorrow.
Do you think I shoukd use the sawyer for enema? The squeeze?
Anonymous No.2839080
>>2836338
What a dumb fucking post. You might as well have just written "I never go outside" and hit the post button.
Anonymous No.2839170
>>2836173
do you just hike alongside rivers? on a hot sunny summers day you should be drinking like a litre an hour minimum especially carrying weight.