Thread 2837377

Would you like to live in mountains?

>>2837377 (OP)
It's better to live in a basin or plateau next to the mountains. Easy access to them still and you don't lose out on on modern conveniences. Living in mountains is fun until winter hits then it stops being fun unless your town is large enough to self sustain itself. Constant road closures, avalanches, and other shit really gets old fast unless you're along a major route and the state keeps it cleared promptly

>>2837377 (OP)
not permenently I think. would prefer a small coastal town I think

>>2837377 (OP)
I'd rather live IN mountains, if you feel me.

>>2837393
>dwarven sausage fingers typed this post
Nice try gimlee, son of glorm. Are you going to have my iron shipment or not? Back to work short-stack

>>2837382
That's the right play. You get to enjoy outdoor recreation in the mountains without having to deal with the disadvantages first-hand. It's similar to how people west of Cleveland seldom have to deal with snowstorms but will drive east of Cleveland to enjoy winter recreation AFTER the roadways are cleared of snow. Meanwhile eastsiders have to deal with the worst of it first-hand kek.

>>2837377 (OP)
I live i a valley but I am 5 minutes away from the mountains. thats the best.

>>2837408
How is the climate different in the same city?

>>2837405
That's going in the book.

>>2837382
the plateau is rougher than the mountains here - it gets more snow in the winter except up on the highest peaks of the ridge and valley
I do love the plateau but I'm not sure WHERE I want to live cuz it extends longitudinally, and if you are near one part you are far from another - it goes from NY to Alabama.

>>2837377 (OP)
I'm obsessed with mountains, but such tough terrain 24/7 is a bit too much when it comes to both survival and getting old.

>>2837382
The Las Vegas valley is at about 2000 feet above sea level.
Peak of Mt. Charleston is nearly 12,000 feet and less than an hour drive.
I look forward to the collapse of Vegas and it becomes a tourist destination like Vail or something.

>>2837377 (OP)
I live in the mountains

>>2837393
based

>>2837377 (OP)
i would love to live in a town like this in a house like in the picture.
i plan on trying it out and if it doesnt work for then i'll simply move. at least i can say i attempted.

If you live beside a mountain, you might just end up under it.

>>2837382
>It's better to live in a basin or plateau next to the mountains.
Basically my setup. We get some snow but nothing compared to the actual mountains and it isn't constant, we have weeks at a time where it's just around freezing but dry, and my city is 100k people and has a Costco etc. so you're not forced to go anywhere far.

>>2837474
You live in Bend.
Don’t you?

>>2837382
>tfw colorado front range
Be careful what you wish for

>>2837382
>>2837490
>tfw wasatch front

>>2837490
meanwhile I'm here in leadville watching you guys drive 5 hours each direction in bumper to bumper traffic to spend a couple hours per week enjoying the "lifestyle" you moved here for but almost never get to really experience.

>>2837393
Based subterranean.

>>2837377 (OP)
I do and I do

>>2837476
Near it.

i prefer something more like this

>>2837600
The roundabouts are a dead giveaway sisters bro. (Greetings from cottage grove)

>>2837615
kek yeah they spam those fucking things like pylons in starcraft. That pic is actually from the new Costco gas station. I'm just outside SE Bend so I have to drive through a million of them to get anywhere in town.

>>2837377 (OP)
I'm moving to PA soon to do just that. Fuck the south, its dead.

>>2837405
Thats soin of Gloin you uncultured leaflover

>>2837643
Son* god Im dumb

>>2837521
I'm sorry, anon.

>>2837645
Why?

>>2837521
is that shastacola?

>>2837681
Mt. Shasta, from McCloud

>>2837377 (OP)
I already live in the mountains. I'd like to live somewhere subtropical tbdesu.

>>2837686
Seen any ufos?

>>2837707
I have not. I see lots of satellites. I can see the milky way when the sky is clear. I'm far enough away from city lights that it comes out nicely. I've seen "strings" of star link satellites several times. Shooting stars, stars and planets, aircraft with FAA lights. But no, no UFOs. I've heard that they're supposed to be common near Shasta, so I'm a bit surprised and maybe a bit disappointed.

>>2837709
Wishing you luck. It's pretty neat when you really can't make sense of the way something's moving in the sky

>>2837382
you already know how to get through the winters if you're from there
i think the biggest problem is that people are such irredeemable annoying hicks even for a local

>>2837642
>PA
>mountains
you picked like the smallest peaks of the appalachians

>>2837788
Smart move, most flatlanders want to go straight for the real stuff instead of taking advantage of being able to appreciate any old hill

The mountains around Juneau seem nice.

>>2837687
>>2837391
i feel like coasts and subtropics are something only lowest common denominator are attracted to

>>2837847
Have you ever even been to a coast? It's inspiring staring out at the expanse, doubly so if done from some elevation

>>2837850
that's more seafaring most people only like the coasts because they're memed as hedonism centres, beach = party, opportunities to dress scantily and less fluctuations of temps
the sky is also an expanse and the stars are more visible up in the mountains

>>2837854
lets call it socialization centres

>>2837847
Trolling should have at least a tiny bit of effort, come on now.

>>2837788
enjoy this 900 ft gorge - courtesy of Pennsylvania

>>2837807
PA has a fuckton of public land and trails - though many don't lead to anything particularly scenic - but the sheer breadth of public trails in the wilds region is impressive,

>>2837847
Depends on the coast IMO. Definitely true of the warm beach kinda places but wild northern coasts are pretty cool, I like those Maine or Alaska kinda places where the mountains turn into sheer cliffs against a cold, unforgiving sea.

>>2837847
You have to be 18 to post here

>>2837891
i mean those are the kinds of places i'm thinking when coastal places are brought up against being in the mountains yeah sure there are coasts in alaska, siberia and antartica but those people won't have a problem with the mountains

It takes a certain sort of crazy person to live in a place with 20% less oxygen and snow on the ground 10 months out of the year. We drink a lot of booze and spend a lot of time home alone. We know every time we drive somewhere it could turn into a life or death situation. We're comfortable in the woods and wilderness where other people would panic and die. A lot of eccentrics and criminals live in mountain towns, but all of us know how to survive on our own. Very self-sufficient. It's not the sort of place you can just move to and immediately be accepted. The people who've lived here for decades are going to ignore you because we know 99% of you won't stay a year. You can't hack it. Either financially or emotionally or both. A person in the mountains needs to be able to take care of themselves and have enough left over to help others. Most people simply can't do it.

>>2837912
>listing financially as first reason for not hacking it
Ok rugged starlink WFH mountain man

>>2837917
fuckin KEK

>>2837912
About 10% of people gets light altitude sickness from taking a cable car up to 2000 m where there's 20% less oxygen and that's mostly because cable cars go fast. That means most people would have no problem with oxygen in a village deep into Alps.

>>2837377 (OP)
>Would you like to live in mountains?
my grandmother has a house in the Austrian Alps near the Italian / Slovenian border
it's near a little, mostly hotel / tourist, village at ~1200m
but like a 100m food path from the street (and parking), so it feels more remote

i go there every winter for a few weeks to Ski, during some vacations to hike or just for a week to work remotely
got 1Gbit fiber like 5y ago, which made it viable to actually work there
spend over half a year there during covid

I probably inherit it one day (my grandmother literally dislikes or hates every one of my siblings / cousins)
but living there is tedious
supermarket is far away, no public transport (outside high season), people / friends are far away
at least no mandatory wood chopping anymore, there's still a wood stove for heating but heat pump can do it as well

it's awesome for a getaway for a month or so though

>>2837917
>Ok rugged starlink WFH mountain man
most of us own businesses. We're wealthier than you. We build houses and pave roads. We plow snow and landscape the VRBO's you stay in.

You couldn't do what we do. You probably couldn't figure out how to register a business let alone run it.

>>2837943
a statistically significant number of visitors to my town die from HAPE and HACE

>>2837943
>2000 m
double that, and come see me. Yes, you can survive here. If you're young and healthy. It'll hurt, but it probably won't kill you.

Personally I have a chest 20% bigger than normal, and about twice as many red blood cells as normal.

>>2837949
Asia or South America?

>>2837949
It must be very unhealthy

>>2837953
colorado
>>2837954
>It must be very unhealthy
I can run 100 miles in your area without breaking a sweat
but yeah, at my altitude I have strokes and will die a good 20 years younger than you.

>>2837948
My friend I wouldn't trust you with building a fire, everything you've posted screams white-collar transplant larp

No. I just got back from a trip to the mountains. My state, which is rated very low for /out/, is by far my preference.

>>2837377 (OP)
I do. It sucks.

>>2837958
Walked em like a dog

>>2837886
I mean I live in PA, so i'm aware. Granted I'm in Western PA which i'd argue is worse than cental/eastern for /out/. Regardless it doesn't even compare to WV, VA or NY. If your goal is walking in the woods then yeah PA is pretty much a great place, but i'd never recommend it for people looking for "mountains"

>>2837958
Usually when we send search and rescue out to save a tourist it's someone like yourself.
overconfident. Incapable of taking advice or heeding warnings

I want to live deliciously

>>2837382
The mountain forests of Colorado are more beautiful than the arid open valleys, but I agree with your premise that they are much less inhabitable.

Picrel is one of the trails in my mountain (valley) town.

>>2837949
Living at altitude and enduring the mountain weather definitely makes a person more hardy than living in some balmy lowland climate. I've ascended as high as 4500 meters with no issues. Picrel Sierra Negra, Puebla, Mexico. 15000' elevation.

>>2838061
>We we we we
Yeah sure buddy, nobody actually from anywhere and not desperate to be perceived as a member of the in-crowd does this

>>2838124
>nobody actually from anywhere and not desperate to be perceived as a member of the in-crowd does this
I am telling you there is no "in-crowd."

you won't last here because you're not mentally or financially fit to survive without the support of others. That's literally the opposite of an in-crowd.

>>2838088
>I've ascended as high as 4500 meters with no issues.
altitude is weird. We have a certain percentage of people that have lived here for their entire lives that suddenly get sick and have to leave. I've been here 35 years and could develop severe altitude sickness at any time and have to leave.

>>2838130
>I am telling you there is no "in-crowd."
>here's how WE treat outsiders
>here's what WE do (ALL business owners, VRBOlords, yknow normal mountain man stuff)
>YOU can't hack it
Flatlander caught mountain madness huh

>>2838132
"We" are not a homogenous group of like-minded people.
"We" are loners, looneys, drunks, and criminals, most of whom have nowhere else to go. The only real common denominator is that we're extremely self-reliant.

>>2838133
What's the monthly from your trust fund

>>2838061
>>2838130
>>2838133
I'm going to be real with you. I'm on a SAR team with multiple MRA accreditations. MANY of our calls are people like you.
I understand that you won't understand any of that. You need to stop, sit down, think.

You need to do better.

>>2837954
There are actually studies that moderate elevation (about 1800-3000m, roughly 20-31% thinner air pressure) can actually extend human lifespan by a small but statistically significant percentage, based upon atmospheric pressure and mice longevity. The best overall elevation is about 2000m (eg Flagstaff, AZ life expectancy of 83.8 years for non-hispanic whites in average to above average income neighborhoods, these neighborhoods are not near the college). Both hypobaric and hyperbaric environments to a certain extent can have health benefits. The issue in many mountain towns is that there is widespread economic destitution, lack of affordable comfortable housing, and poor social habits which can contribute to earlier than normal deaths.

>>2838135
I've never heard of a local getting rescued. I've seen thousands of outsiders though.
>>2838143
I don't doubt that socioeconomic factors in the mountains kill people, I've seen it first hand lots of times.
But just from a straight physiological standpoint we have much thicker blood leading to strokes and heart failure as well as normal stuff like pulmonary edema and other lung problems. We also have a much higher cancer risk from greater exposure to sunlight. The lack of oxygen results in lower birth weights and all the complications that go with that. There's a lot of health risks that arise directly from living in the mountains.

I live significantly higher than "1800-3000m" though. And that's a significantly different range of altitudes when it comes to human health. I don't know anything about lower altitudes, but above 10k feet I expect lives are much shorter except in cases like the Andes or Himalaya where people have been living there for thousands of years.

>>2838143
there's also a question of whether our suicide and substance abuse rates arise from our climate and altitude. Similar climates in alaska or russia tend to have the same problems, and I think it's fair to say depression and substance abuse are heightened just by the climate and length of the days. Though undoubtedly other factors such as lack of jobs and entertainment as well as being dead-end towns that attract people in crisis contribute to poor outcomes.

>>2838143
and of course there are literally hundreds of studies linking low oxygen and depression. And hundreds more linking lack of sunlight and depression. Both significant problems at altitude.

>>2838143
There's also a selection bias in that people who can't survive at altitude don't stay there. It's a fairly large number of people and that number goes up the higher you go and the longer you stay there.

>>2838155
anecdotal evidence of this-
I work in heavy industry at altitudes ranging from 12.5k-13.5k feet with companies that hire thousands of people from all over the world every year.

of those new hires, it takes an average of 5 days to acclimate to that altitude. About 1 in 20 will fail to acclimate and be sent home. About 1 in 500 will end up in the hospital fighting for their lives, and will never be able to go back that high again.

>>2838156
Approximately 0.3% of workers that live at those altitudes for over a decade will develop HAPE or HACE, often after spending most of their lives there without problems. Those people don't tend to die at altitude, we ship them to lower elevations and they usually recover. They don't live in the mountains after that though. They're selected out of our mortality rates because they can't live here ever again.

Two bots arguing using AI search results......

>>2838143
Then there's the fact that people at high altitudes are usually treated for things like hypoxia and Seasonal Affective Disorder, so improved health outcomes at altitude might simply reflect the fact that most people wind up on supplemental oxygen and UV therapy and perhaps have higher oxygen and sunlight levels than anywhere else because of that.

>>2838160
>Two bots arguing using AI search results......
yeah, because nobody on 4chan lives in the mountains and has a better than 8th grade education

that would be crazy.

>>2837377 (OP)
The plus side of living in the mountains is I bought a house on land here 24 years ago for $100k US and now it's worth well over a million.
So I effectively got paid $50k per year just to live here on top of what I earned working.

The downside to that is if I sell the house there's nowhere else I'd want to live that costs less.

>>2837912
>snow on the ground 10 months out of the year.
maybe like 3

>>2838164
What have your property taxes done in that period? Im on F2 (basically zoned light use forest land) and while our property taxes are super low; being in a blue state (Oregon) they could go parabolic at any time to fund illegals having litters of goblinas and funding programs to teach retards to play fetch.
It’s a ticking time bomb.

>>2837377 (OP)
Not really. The mountains are heaven outside tourist season - May, June and September, October. If the weather is good. Chances are 50/50.

July and August are hell. Foreigners and idiots galore, telling you what to do, how to drive, where to walk, how to behave in the "dangerous" mountains. You tolerate them because they make you money.

Then you have the wet months. Can be anywhere from September to December and March to May. Nothing but endless rain or melting snow. With nothing to do, no place to visit and a house that smells like fungus.

First snow is fantastic. So is hunting and skiing. Until the outsiders show up around Christmas and in February. They make us money so we pretend we like you. I mean them.

In between there's utter boredom. We hate you.

>>2838233
I thought you were leaving 4chan>>>>>>>

>>2838156
12.5k seems to be kind of a "magic number," it's the legal limit for flying an airplane without some kind of supplemental oxygen as well. I assume that number came from some kind of research that found that enough of the population couldn't handle it.

>>2838202
where I live it snows 12 months out of the year but only stays on the ground between October and May or June.
>>2838203
>What have your property taxes done in that period?
Gone from a few hundred dollars per year to a few thousand. Currently I owe about $5k per year. I pay by escrow though so all I see is my mortgage payment went up a couple hundred a month.
>>2838245
Yeah I'm not sure what it is about 12.5. It's just above timberline in my area. I've noticed it's high enough that I personally never get completely used to it. I'm fine doing physical labor at 11k, but when I go up another thousand or two I start getting visual disturbances and classic hypoxia symptoms during exertion. I'd guess you're right regarding how it was chosen as a cutoff.

>>2838233
I like the tourists but I hate the vehicle traffic.
Travel times double in the summer, and what used to be a fun drive through the mountains turns into an annoying crawl staring at somebody's bumper for hours.

>>2838245
The other thing I notice is that there's plenty of houses in the 11k-12k range but essentially nobody living year round above 12k. Part of that is climate, the weather is bad above 12. Part of it is lack of building sites and roads. But I suspect a lot of it is just that it hurts to do anything that high and the risk of severe illness goes way up.

though between ski areas, mines, and forest service trails that need maintained, there's a shitload of people that work above 12k every day.

>>2838202
I guess you've never spent time in/around actual mountains? The mountains I live next to had snowfalls until late June (pic related, from June 21) and still have snow on them right now, and they're only 8-9k ft, it's no surprise that there'd be snow on the ground all year at 11k+.

>>2838258
He might be closer to the equator or the coast also.

Where I'm at we always get snow on Halloween, usually several feet. We get snow over spring break, again often several feet. It usually snows on the fourth of july here. The only months we don't get regular snow are august and september, but even then light snow storms are still possible. In the months when we don't get much snow we get hail. Sometimes several feet of hail on the ground. Couple years back we got hit with 3 feet of hail in a single fast storm in July. It took 2 days to melt off.

we have amazing snowboarding and skiing though. You can ride year round but it gets a bit crusty in the summer.

>>2838258
what is this the fucking ice age what are you on top of a literal glacier or greenland or the poles
whatever happened to greenhouse effect

>>2838278
apparently at higher altitudes the air is thinner so it doesn't insulate as well and it gets colder.
It's weird. What was god thinking?

then there's this thing called a rain shadow, which causes all the moisture in the air to fall out as it goes over a mountain range, so mountains are not only really cold, but often very wet. It's probably magic. In some places it'll be like 90 degrees F on the plains and a couple miles away there's snow on the mountains.

>>2838282
that's fresh after a rain and trust me that snow is not staying around unless it's winters

>>2837377 (OP)
I already do, it's comfy as shit when it's not fucking on fire.

>>2838298
It's on fire right now bro :(

>>2838258
>>2838278
If you live in a true mountainous area snow can fall every month of the year.
t. lived in the Sierras

>>2838304
not my part (for now)

>>2838283
>>2838283
>that snow is not staying around unless it's winters
I took this in July, and as I said in an earlier post these mountains aren't even that high and I'm not that far north. The other anon's pic is probably early spring but a decent amount of snow can absolutely stick around for a while. Like I said before, it's almost September and there's still a significant amount on the mountains where I am, and a lot of the high elevation trails here don't even open until late June/early July and probably still have some snow patches around them too.