Thread 2840169

Do people in Japan really buy hundreds of dollars worth of gear just to backpack half a mile from the bus stop to a gravel patch in someone's back yard?
Granted it doesn't seem that much different from western people buying hundreds of dollars of gear just to camp in some dirt by the side of the highway, but is that really what /out/ is like over there?

>>2840169 (OP)
Idk
Here is a much cooler japanese /out/ channel
https://youtube.com/watch?v=U6eFZ7e9RaA

>>2840169 (OP)
>Are the things I see in animu real?
No, retard

>>2840169 (OP)
You just perfectly described British backpacking. The US has remote FS/BLM land and expansive national parks. Some less adventurous people might not venture too far, but staying close to civilization isn’t done out of necessity.

>>2840169 (OP)
120 japs means lots of people on not much land. Same with UK (higher population density than india).

>>2840194
UK: 277 people/km^2
India: 462 people/km^2

Both are shitholes but come on.

>>2840203
Jeets are not like normal humans. You can’t do a straight across comparison. While they are worth less than a native brit, the way they behave makes that density value completely irrelevant.
It’s apples to oranges anon.

>>2840169 (OP)
sometimes you can hike all day and still end up in the backyard of some building like a forestry shelter or a power line substation

>>2840266

I hiked part of the Kumano Kodo, stopping at various homestays throughout the weekend. The taxi driver who dropped us off at the trailhead thought we were insane, kept asking as if we were really going to the start. He couldn’t believe we would attempt the trail with fleece jackets, jeans, boots, and bags, despite all the stops inbetween.

>>2840203
>Japan: 338 people/km^2
Jesus christ.
Meanwhile, in the land of the free....
>U.S.: 37 people/km^2
Even better:
>a square km is 247 acres.
>my property is 50 acres and theres 220 acres adjacent to it thats used for logging and nobody lives on

>>2840189
>perfectly described British backpacking
Take a look at a map stupid. You see that northern bit of Britain? Look up the population density.
Your either a ignorant foreigner or retarded if you think our outdoors are nothing more than back gardens.

>>2840273
It doesn’t matter because you don’t go there. We all know what Bitshit backpacking is.

>>2840270
do australia now

>>2840169 (OP)
For the gear thing, yes. Japanese people tend to take their hobbies very seriously so they will usually buy the highest quality gear for anything they do even if it’s way beyond what they actually need. Sometimes it’s the only thing they have time to do for fun, so don’t bully them about it.

As for the actual Japanese /out/ experience, it’s true that outside of Hokkaido you will never experience a true sense of remoteness like in the American wilderness because it’s just too densely populated and there will always be a town on the horizon, but there are places where you can hike all day and never see another person, so at least you can get a feeling of isolation and people even get eaten by bears every once in a while. Plus I feel like a lot of the old mountain villages with a remaining population of like three old people fit the aesthetic.

The problem with camping is that it’s actually illegal outside of designated areas, which are all plots of gravel right next to roads and towns like that. It’s dumb that there don’t seem to be any other options. Yes, there are people who camp deep in the woods illegally, but they won’t normally tell you about it and I don’t think most people are willing to take the risk. I have heard someone say the cops found them once and just asked if they had permission from the mountain owner, to which they played dumb and got a speech about how all land in Japan is someone’s property and they had to leave, but didn’t get arrested or anything. Though, if you’re a foreigner who is in the country on a visa, it’s probably a more dangerous game.

>>2840289
>Australia.: 3.5 people/km^2
Too bad most of it is desert scrub wasteland

>>2840273
Population density doesnt really matter if there is still a road every couple miles. America has roadless wilderness that you can go days in a single direction before coming upon any evidence of human development beyond trails

>>2840169 (OP)
>backpack half a mile from the bus stop
Most of /out/ innawoods is a 10 minutes walk from their truck.

>>2840169 (OP)
Yes. Japan is kinda fucked up when itcomes to trails - you have the fully manicured tourist trails, which will often even charge admission fees, and the maintenance trails for electrical lines (and in some places, AA missile bunkers), and that's it. Since most farms have large, continuous plots of land, their dirt trails don't link up with each other, only with the road, and often will be fenced off completely.
If you want to walk on trails for more than ~5km, and don't have access to military training grounds, the only option is the electricity lines.

Add to that that most japs are softies who can't bear being without a comfortable bed or flush toilet, end you end up with a bunch of cucks who'll drive their fully loaded keicar to a "campground" in sight of the highway, pay 1500JPY for trail admission, walk 2km to some "wild" spot, have a drink from the vending machine there, snap a picture, walk back, build a fire, sleep in a tent (unless it rains even slightly, in which case they'll run for their car), then tell all their coworkers how they "roughed it".

Now, to be fair, Hokkaido is supposedly different, and I've heard some japs complain about "terrible" campgrounds there that sounded great to me. But The main islands and okinawa suck when it comes to /out/.

>>2840325
>it’s just too densely populated and there will always be a town on the horizon
Not true at all. Get away from the coast and the main valleys, and there's almost no towns, just single remote farms. Even on Okinawa, with all of it's 100km of length, you can hike in the jungle for 50-60km without seeig a single house. Only problem is that most of the trails there will be fenced off, so you'll be stuck to walking on the road.
>problem with camping is that it’s actually illegal outside of designated areas
Not quite true, sleeping bag and tarp is unrestricted. Same as Germany, funnily enough, which for me meant I could just use the gear I already had.
>which are all plots of gravel right next to roads and towns like that. It’s dumb that there don’t seem to be any other options.
There are. Can't upload it here due to format, but there's a map going around the net with all "free" campgrounds. Mostly city-owned plots. Downside is that you need to call ahead to the city office and announce your stay in Japanese, and I can tell you from experience that if thy can tell you're a foreigner, they sometimes refuse you.
Also, there's shelters along the road, which are city property and where you can legally sleep in.
>I have heard someone say the cops found them once and just asked if they had permission from the mountain owner
Asians, I guess? with whites and blacks, at least if they use milsurp, cops will generally assume they're burger soldiers, call the military police from the nearest base and fuck off. The you politely tell the burgers they don't have jurisdiction over you, and move on the next morning.