I've spent about 2 years shooting with a beat up canon 70d I got on craigslist and I'm ready to drop some money on a new camera. I've narrowed my choices down to these two because of the following:

- Rugged and actually weather sealed
- I like the build quality, feel and color rendering of the lenses (HD pentax D-FAs and the OM pro f/2.8s)
- Comfortably in my budget used (with lenses)

I'm leaning more towards the OM because I will be backpacking a lot and the weight savings are attractive (especially with telephoto), however I'm willing to put up with the weight if the pentax will have outstandingly better image quality.

My use-case will be travel with a bit of wildlife photography, I will shoot everything in RAW and edit, and all of my photos will be shared online or printed to a max of 11x17". I also never carry a tripod/monopod.

Some of my pros for each system:
OM-1
>lightweight and compact
>m43 wider DOF
>more variety of modern glass
>cheaper telephoto options

K-1ii
>higher resolution (can crop for wildlife)
>better dynamic range and color depth
>better in low light?

I'm sure everyone will tell me to go full frame and go to the gym but I was hoping to get some additional perspective, ideally from someone who has owned both FF and modern m43.

Some additional points:
-I know they are both dead systems
-No I will not get a canon/nikon/sony

Thanks for your time

OM-1:
Is an overpriced E-M1II
m43 unable to select shallow DOF, physical apertures are the same as things like theoretical FF f8-11 zooms, fstop ratio hides this fact and makes people think it has free DOF
variety of really overpriced, soulless lenses

K-1ii
Is literally a K mount Nikon D810 with a tilty screen, busted autofocus and 2 stop IBIS

I recommend:
Stop being a fucking hipster, and use cameras as tools instead of statements in internet brand wars
>Wildlife: E-M1 II or III, panasonic 100-300, because no one cares about bird pictures, seriously, large sensor wildlife photography is oversaturated, what's missing is opportunistic shots of rarer animals and *natural animal behavior* licensed as public domain
>Everything else: nikon z7 or sony a7riii with a two lens set like 35/85 or 14-30+24-70
I know this hurts because you can't "be different" but cameras are tools, and there's a such thing as a shitty wrench

>>4433453
Also dont forget the usual
>m43 has tiny pixels, worse tonality, base ISO is basically ISO 800, maybe 1000 if comparing to high DR cameras like the nikon ZF
>DSLRs have a lot of issues with focus accuracy and mirror vibrations

>>4433450 (OP)
I have OG K-1. It is a great camera paired with the FA 43/1.9. I also have the D-FA 150-450 and it is great for wildlife as well, with the HD DA 1.4xTC you can only use crop mode due to the vignetting but it still produces a good sharp image. About the mirror vibrations, I heard about Canon and Nikon having them but through the years I used this I have never had any such problems. The mirrorflip is also very quiet and contained. Burst mode is not the greatest, for that you want to look at the K-3MkIII

>>4433485
>FA 43/1.9
Literally what kind of turbo jenkem are the Pentax salarymen huffing to come up with such disgusting shit?

>>4433494
its crazier when you find out what the pentax limited lenses sell for, $400-600 all day long

>>4433495
That’s fine I guess but they could have had the decency to round it to nice even numbers like a decent company

The k1-ii is a piece of shit

OM-1 or Nikon D-810
I'd pick either since they are both good cameras.

>>4433453
>2 stop IBIS
oh come on it's better than that >>4432470

If you shooting mostly wildlife I would say that the OM1ii has the better telephoto options and better tracking auto focus. Specifically the 40-150 f2.8 and the 300 f4 are very good. That being said both cameras are very good and are the most weather resistant options/brands on the market. Nikon is also pretty sealed but not as much as OM and Pentax. Don't trust the resident schizo that says they have more sealing. The biggest Nikon downside is that it's expensive and the lenses are very over corrected and heavy. They waste way to many pounds on unnecessary optical layers.

>>4433542
Ignore this poster. He’s clearly indian.

You know how olympus sold their camera division and halted r&d? That was because not even daytime sports photographers wanted that shit.

>>4433543
Lol it's like early morning in india right now and 6PM on the west coast. You're just that weird dude who is obsessed with micro four thirds shooters. Don't shit up another thread cause you regret your purchase.

>>4433557
>good morning saar!
Confirmed indian

>>4433450 (OP)
Do you spend your spare time burning people who use light meters at the stake for witchcraft and disproving your whole T-stop argument?

the om-1 has like 7 stops of stabilization, you wont need a tripod with it and it will make a difference when you're doing telephoto/macro stuff. Plus has a fully articulating screen and can be charged with a power bank on the go. Those alone would be my personal selling points.

>>4438326
K-1 also has pretty good ibis
1/20s @ 123mm

Neither. Get a good camera (sony) instead of this overpriced contrarian shit.
>inb4 FUD and made up bullshit
The a7iii does more in sales than om, pentax, and panasonic combined. For a reason.

Its better.

>>4438343
>For a reason.
yeah, corporate contracts

>>4438343
Yeah but you can deal with the drawbacks of the Pentax or the Olympus, I don't want to go through and manually correct the colours on every single image like it's fuckin film again. That shit sucks man. Literally every other mirrorless system has no issue with this and yet sony cant get their shit sorted.

>>4433450 (OP)
Pentax hands down
>go to work
>look at a computer screen for half a day
>go home
>time for my hobby!!
>look at a computer screen for the rest of the day
EVFs are a Jewish invention
>>4438343
>MORE SALES = BETTER
best car in any segment is one that sells the most, right??

I like the K1ii but I hate how expensive the "best" lenses are. >>4433453 is right and it's made worse when this is the cheapest K1ii and the cheapest D810 is $500 less. $200 more and you can get into a Snoy A7IV (A7C is the same $1100 nowadays) and even if it's soulless mirrorless, the AF is that much better and if you get a EA LA4 adapter you can use vintage A Mount lenses that work with FF. I have lenses I like on both A and K mount so I'm probably gonna do a newer Snoy with a EA LA4 (which even then the AF is about as good as a K1).

Half my Pentax lenses are DA APSC ones that give noticable vignetting too on a FF cam. 18-135mm and 55-300mm PLM for example.

>>4438347
Seethe.
>>4438349
FUD. Sony colors are consistently the best. Fix your white balance configuration and set up a picture profile you like. Done!

>>4438353
Poltard schizo seething. Another sony win.

>>4438365
The a7riv, a7iv, and a7cii can use the la-ea5 which has non-slt native screw drive af.

>>4438373
>FUD. Sony colors are consistently the best. Fix your white balance configuration and set up a picture profile you like. Done!
Is this true? Can you post some samples?

https://www.blog.juliatrotti.com/pictures/best-135mm-lens-sony
Why is julia a huge proponent of how good sony skin tones are any time she isn't reviewing a camera that panasonic sent her for free (and then she goes into AWB and moves her usual settings from +amber +magenta to +blue +a ton of green)

>>4433450 (OP)
Get Pentax K1ii.
The body isn't where the bulk of the weight is, it's the lenses. And K1ii works pretty well with APS-C lenses when that weight matters. And further, Pentax lenses tend to be among the lighter and smaller lenses anyway. OMS lenses are unnecessarily big trying to chase MTF at wide open.
The IQ of the K1ii will blow the OM1 out of the water. We're talking about a sensor almost 4x the size, an outdated m43 sensor vs. one of the best sensors ever made, sitting alongside the D810 and D850, that modern cameras are only just now starting to surpass.
Astrophoto features are cool.
And Pentax Limited lenses are unlike anything available on any other system.

If you really want something smaller and lighter, the Pentax K3iii is something to consider, too. Better autofocus with more AF coverage. Still great IQ. Pentax has kind of implied they're intending the K1 series to be for wedding, portraiture, landscape, etc. style photographers, and the K3iii and hypothetical K3iv to be for action/sports/wildlife photographers.
As a bonus, the modern lens lineup is more fleshed out on Pentax's APS-C cameras, whereas a lot of their FF lenses are just updated film lenses.
The KP is a favorite camera, too. It's kind of meant as an EDC camera for K1 owners. Will still beat the OM-1 in IQ.

>>4438417
>OMS lenses are unnecessarily big trying to chase MTF at wide open.
Eh, this is cope. Panny lenses are tiny and very sharp too. Pentax will feel huge in comparison no matter what you do, that body is a kilo.

>>4438427
Yeah I tended to favor Panasonic's stuff when I was on M43. Seemed to chase better practical usability while Olympus/OM System was chasing that Canon-tier BS with giant white lenses.
Really OP will be fine with whichever camera they chose. They're both good systems.

If I were OP I'd get the KP or K3iii or even KF now, get some APS-C zooms like the 18-135 and 55-300, then focus on building up a collection of the FF FA Limited lenses + the APS-C DA 15mm Limited since there's nothing that wide on FF limited. Then get a K1ii later, and enjoy the best of both worlds.

>>4438427
>this is cope
using any contrarian brand (pentax/olympus/panasonic) is pure cope, all the time. lots of non-reasons like soul and rendering and 3d pop abound. literal made up placebo shit. the fact is the cameras are not good or fun. they are cope machines.

>>4438440
you are wrong source: me who has fun with my contrarian camera every day

>Want a K1ii after reading this thread and realizing I have a bunch of decent K lenses (FA 80-320mm f4.5-5.6, 70-200 and 70-210mm f4-5.6, 28-90mm Quantaray and a few DAs I might be able to use like 35mm f2.4, 50mm f1.8, and 18-135mm)
>Was gonna sell my KF w/18-55mm Kit Lens for $3-400
>Find one on Craigslist 2 hours away for $700 (Grip was another $120) with 3600 shutter count
>Email him, get a response, then a hour later:

>I'm available this Saturday in the afternoon but please note, I've just amended the pricing on my ad. I've had to increase the price on the body but at the same time, dropped the pricing on the lenses. Unfortunately, I listed the body too low (which I do apologize for). I checked both KEH and MPB a few moments ago and brought the price up of the body in line with actual used market values. That said, I've priced it a bit lower than what both KEH and MPB are selling equivalent condition bodies for.

>If you're interested in just the body and grip, then I'll let both go for $1250 which is still a very good deal based on current market conditions. ($1150 + 100)

I am not paying that much lol. I can pick up a A7IV for a little more or a A7C for the same and still shoot vintage glass with LA-EA4/LA-EA5. Kicking myself for missing this >>4438365

Took this with my KF a few days ago.

>>4440508
The a7c doesn't support the ea5. Hunt for a cheap a7cii or a7iv. It's possible to find them for <$1500, it just takes patience.

a7riv, if you dare, but the high resolution can get impractical (subtract a stop or two from the ibis rating, and forget good saturation at high ISOs)

>>4440508
Upgrade to K3ii or KP.
The K3ii will be slightly worse at high-ISO, but either the K3ii or the KP you're going to get a much better camera body that makes taking good photos much easier instead of having to Q-menu everything.
I have the K1ii and got the KF for the flippy screen and PDAF on-sensor, for casual photography and light video use. Still totally plan on getting the KP at some point as my non-social casual photography camera (where the KF will be kept as a social photography camera for its flippy screen (if there's ever a KPii or a K3iv with a flippy screen, goodbye KF)), because the KF is honestly a bit of a PITA to use in anything other than auto mode.

If you're adamant about FF, consider the original K1. It can be found for a tad cheaper, but has the same sensor. K1ii just has upgraded CPU/"accelerator unit" with hand-held high resolution mode, tad better AF algorithms and more low-level pre-RAW image processing (Ricoh claims this cannot be replicated in post-processing - patents suggest it's using information about the actual on-sensor currents and temperature to calculate NR, but a photographer upgrade is probably more useful than a camera upgrade still). (The KF and KP have the accelerator unit, too).

But Pentax APS-C is pretty comfy. Lots of nice lenses there. The FF pentax lenses aren't as fleshed out and relies a lot on their film-era designs.
I'd sell your FA lenses and buy DA alternatives.

>>4440508
Also difficult scene to capture because of high contrast. This isn't one you're going to get a good shot of SOOC. Next time try exposing for the bright sky (not the sun), then drop the exposure by 2 stops to put the sky's exposure near the upper end of the sensor's range.
How to do it on KF:
1) Set wheel to M, and set your ISO to probably 100.
2) Set your Exposure Composition (button is on the top next to the green button / shutter) to +2.
3) Go to Q-menu / info screen, set AE metering to spot, make sure File Format is RAW and not JPEG.
4) Point the camera so a bright portion of the sky is in the middle circle in your viewfinder.
5) Press the Green button.
6) Now don't touch anything related to exposure unless you have a good reason (and you'll probably want to compensate for it with other exposure settings. Hint: On Pentax cameras in M mode, the AE-lock automatically compensates adjustments to exposure settings).
7) Now compose your photo and take a picture.
8) Your picture will probably be dark. Fix that in Lightroom or Darktable or whatever, and you'll have a better picture that isn't washed out, than if you didn't follow this process.
9) Learn the Zone System and associate different Zones to different EV Compensation values, to get awesome metering wherever you are, with better capability to prioritize highlights, shadows, etc. (Basically, Zone IX is EV+2, do basic math from there for other Zones).
Pentax's green button makes this really easy.

>>4440597
Which has better AF performance with 80s screw drive lenses? EA5 w/A7IV or EA4r with a A7C?

>>4440825
I actually did not realize how bad the KF was vs the K3ii/KP. I do feel like a lot of times I'm having to compensate for the performance of the camera using burst shots or accepting a higher rate of discarded shots. I shoot 70% of the time in auto mode occasionally venturing to shutter priority for movement and aperture priority for portraits/bokeh. I can appreciate how good this camera is at high ISOs but if it wasn't for the ergos and cheapish lenses I would've gone elsewhere.

I'm a little adamant about the K1 only because the lenses are cheap for FF, though its like $500 more than a D810 and the same price as a A7iii on the low end (closer to a7c). That and I never shot on a FF camera before. The K1 isn't much cheaper than the K1ii ($900 vs $1100) so I'm better off jumping to the K1ii to get the most out of the horrible AF performance these cameras are universally known for.

I'm surprised I'm not better off selling my DA lenses for FA, especially if I'm going to FF.

Is a KP that much better than a KF? I saw a KP for sale on Amazon for $600 and I could probably get $3-400 easily for my KF. K3iiis are still $1100+ which is insane imo when something like a D500 is $600-700 and a Z50ii is $1000

>>4440837
It was a SOOC pic w/18-135mm in jpeg I shared with friends on vacation, I think I used matrix metering + auto. It would've been less washed out if I was in raw and had LR with me. Wasn't really a planned shot, just saw it was pretty leaving my parents house

>>4440872
EA5, not even a contest

it works on the a6600 too

>>4440880
Interesting, I thought the EA4R (remove SLT screen for AF on sensor) was better. So its safe to say the EA4R has been entirely superseded by the EA5 as long as you have a newer body that supports it (A6600/A6700/A74)?

Apparently the old glass on mirrorless performs WAY WAY better than it did on DSLR bodies from reading on dyxum. I have a few Minolta lenses (35-105mm f3.5-4.5, 35-70mm f4, 100-200mm f4.5, 100-300mm APO, 28mm f2.8, 100mm f2.8) I really wanna keep (hard to find in good shape like they are and pretty damn good on 6/10mp/14mp CCDs)

>>4440884
It's probably just down to the AF performance of the body, a converted LA-EA4 on an A7 III is going to be worse than an LA-EA5 on an A7 IV in the same way any other lens will be. The whole point of the converted LA-EA4 is that you can use it on the older bodies, so if you get a newer one then of course just get the 5 and save yourself the effort of doing the conversion. There is one exception to this, the 4 gets you 80% AF point coverage with the 500mm mirror lens where as the 5 only has the centre point. Very niche, but maybe worth mentioning.