I can't decide which one to get

>>4433520 (OP)
Rollei 6008.

>>4433520 (OP)
Neither, step up to a real camera

>>4433544
You may as well move up to a real man's camera and shoot sheet film at that point.

rb obviously
>best system camera ever made
>seiko leaf shutter is in the lens, lower vibration and you can't have a camera with a broken shutter, you can just replace the lens. or you can fix it yourself they're pretty simple
>fully mechanical and still goes longer than any other medium format with servicing
>best back system
>made in higher quantities that almost any other MF system, so parts and knowledge are more abundant
>amazing (albeit slow by modern standards) lenses
RZ is good too if you need faster lenses, but remember the RB was so good that the RZ didnt really replace it, they were sold along side eachother for a long time. The Pro SD had a really long life. It's the obvious choice.


>>4433544
>electronic shutter only, paper weight without batteries
>studio princess, ruined by non-optional perspective correction
>plastic fujitoy build quality
>total market flop
>lenses designed by dickheads

>>4433522
>electric toy
>5x the price of an rb for something thats just gunna break
>no parts when it does break

>>4433550
>dickheads
I own basically the whole set minus the real rare ones like the zoom and the supertele, and they’re some of the best lenses I’ve ever used. Most people that have used them tend to agree. What’s your beef with them? I agree with your general opinion of the body but I still love mine, but i won’t abide the lenses slandered

>>4433550
Professional toy with an enormous amount of features.
You can still get them serviced.
Far better than those mechanical shitboxes, sadly.

>>4433580
basically e-waste. Will be unfixable in a few years meanwhile mechanical cameras will still work. enjoy your timebomb

>>4433581
Like I said enjoy your rust prone mechanical shitbox.

>>4433581
Oh yes, I forgot to mention to enjoy your cope as well. If ny camera breaks I will get it serviced or buy another one. It is not a big deal. If your shitbox rusts to shit one day, which it will, I'm sure you'll do exactly the same. Lol

>>4433587
>>4433584
>w-w-well ill just buy another one..!
>your brass is going to rust!!
lol

>>4433589
I guess I'm talking to a determined machinist. Sorry! We all know you aren't making parts for you clunky overweight shitter.
I have film backs that are rusted out and have experienced extremely inconsistent operation from my incredible shit copy of that terrible camera.

Rollei 6008 just works and it works faster, and better than those shitboxes you seem to love.

>>4433589
The rb is legitimately one of the worst cameras I have ever used in terms of ergonomics, reliability, and overall ease of use. I guess if you love inflicting pain upon yourself you should get one, but then you could just avoid all the shit of a janky mechanical system and shoot sheet film, and not full frame+.

>>4433592
>buys a broken camera
>too retarded to fix it
>uses it
>duhhh why doesnt it work
???

>>4433594
skill issue. professionals who get good results historically shoot on rb's for medium format. if you can't get good results its probably because you're retarded or weak. its an incredibly easy to use and simple camera.

>>4433595
It works, but it sucks. The system is trash. Way too cumbersome and inconvenient to use. I prefer to load film and take pictures instead of remembering 50 steps to take between shots and then breaking the camera if I switch lenses at the wrong time. It's a highly imperfect camera. Sorry I'm speaking truth about your sweet baby.

>>4433597
You probably lack perspective on actually good medium format cameras, which is okay. It's fine, really. There are way better slr systems you can get than those obese shitboxes.

>>4433520 (OP)
Medium format is niche enough as it is. Even when these cameras where new they were no way near as popular as 35mm. If you really need to shoot 6x7 or 6x9 or whatever at least buy something that has an established userbase and something you can get advice / tutorials for. No sense in buying a Kiev or some shit. The later 645's, the autofocus ones do have a lot of options for digital backs if that's something you think you might want to do later on. I think you can jerry-rig the backs to rbs or rzs but I don't know anything about it.

>>4433598
>50 steps to take between shots
What? Take the darkslide out? Lol. If you need a system to baby you, the correct option is still mamiya, it's just the 7 or the 6. If you don't understand how light / cameras work just say that lol.

>>4433600
Oh, so you don't even own the camera. Understood.

Fully mechanical slrs are basically all shitboxes when compared to more modern ones.

Enjoy your yearly CLA on bodies, lenses, and film backs to get 85% reliability.

>>4433520 (OP)
I've been traveling the world with my rb67, it's heavy as fuck, but I'm a 150 lbs twink and I've walked for weeks with it so anyone should be able to do it. You really need the handle and the strap (which uses proprietary attachment points). Other than that it fell from a table when I was drunk in Tokyo and it's still mint. There's a dent in the bar tho. You'll absolutely need a lightmeter if you wanna shoot outside, one pic is expensive you don't want to waste it. Keep in mind having fancy gear doesn't make you a good photographer, I would only consider a 120 camera if you print. My 5g tower is IP banned from posting pics apparently

>>4433601
I can repair my camera.
Even if you had any knowledge of how your camera works (you dont) you couldnt fix it.
Why are you getting so butthurt? If the 6008 were good it would have sold well. But it didnt because they have a hideous reputation for being plastic, overpriced bombs. They're rare for a reason. There's no need to get upset, just admit you made the wrong choice and go back to your RB like a normal person.

>>4433598
This guy has a low IQ btw. You can't really break your camera, it'll just not allow you to do stupid stuff, so yeah you'll have to remember this:
-You can't remove the lens if you don't cock the shutter (so you don't burn your film)
-You can't remove the back if you didn't put back the metal plate (so you don't burn your film)
-You can't take double exposures unless you switch the back to double exposure mode (so you don't accidentally double expose)
They are pretty easy to service, and very very reliable, contrary to what this retard says. However he has a point : it's very very boring to take pics with it and you'll wish to have bought something with at least automatic exposure

>>4433604
Yes yes we all know your shitbox sucks. No need to be upset about it. We are all enjoying your determined machinist larp. Rb is a clunky, cheap, overweight piece of shit that provides no true joy or convenience to the user. This is objective fact. Evident with proper perspective.
It's a hunk of junk that requires constant maintenance.
The rollei 6008 is not rare at all, and it was simply too expensive for most people compared to the chunks of unreliable slag that get passed off as "good cameras". Rollei is also incredibly retarded when it comes to the business side of cameras. I'll give you that one.

>>4433608
>these glaring flaws in design are just things you must remember to not break your camera or waste film! It is a good thing that we must deal with them!

>>4433604
The rollei 6008 body was 14k new in the mid 80s. Lenses were like 3-5k each.

>Those darned ewaste 200MP phaseones suck because they didn't sell well!

>>4433612
Anon I’m not who you’re arguing with but I gotta say, those seem like intentional safeguards to me, not design flaws. Maybe they do slow you down a bit and you find that irritating, but there’s a clear rationale to why it’s done that way from how I’ve seen it explained.

>>4433616
Fine. The camera breaking if you remove the lens at the wrong time is my biggest gripe. I think it is a highly flawed design. I am over exaggerating a little for added effect, maybe, but still. A camera with better everything aside from fixability is still a camera with better everything aside from fixability. There is no getting around that. You can 100% still get the 6008 repaired, tuned, etc. Every part of it from the batteries to the lenses.

The 6008 filmback btfos just about every other design as well. Why did no one consider that a non-removable darkslide is a fantastic idea.

>>4433618
>The camera breaking if you remove the lens at the wrong time is my biggest gripe
The lens just doesnt come off if you dont cock the shutter. Are you retarded? Did you just try to yank it off like a fucking ape when the lens didn't come off? When has forcing anything on a camera lead to a good outcome?

>>4433620
No. It did that thing where you gotta poke the little tab under the fake leather with the needle. I got that camera looking forward to it, it gave me troubles from the get go, it had the absolute worst ergonomics of any camera I've ever used, way to cumbersome and slow to use aside from with a tripod, and it just was not enjoyable. It's simplicity done in the worst way possible. It is a flawed design.

Maybe I was just being a retard, but I've never had to deal with a single thing like that with the 6008. The most annoying part of that camera was having to recell the batteries, which I did all by myself. Thank you very much.

To be fair, it takes a very high IQ to use a medium format camera. Only the smartest posters on /p/ have ever used them. Not for long, because they're also smart enough to realize it's a huge waste of money and FF digital looks the exact same as medium format film.

>>4433624
Thank you.

>>4433623
>the mamiya has poor egonomic, unlike the 6008
>the 6008 being literally just an almost featureless rectangular prism
Look, i'm not going to say the rb67 was designed with ergonomics in mind, because it wasn't. It's effectively a big metal tissue box in design. But to say the 6008 is any better is just laughable. Both of these cameras have the exact same ergonomics, eg none. They're both made to be used with a tripod and the handheld experience is an afterthought. If you're going to shoot handheld you're supposed to use the grips.

>>4433624
>digital looks the exact same as medium format film
yea but big oogly boogly googly doff
i can shoot portraits of my ugly zoomer friends in beanies like theyre harry truman

>>4433624
>it takes a very high IQ to use a medium format camera
shit, weegee's IQ must have been quadruple digits then

>>4433520 (OP)
>>4433624
>total dogshit lens
>was crap when it came out
>gains horrible reputation, not just for poor performance wide open but also usm motors getting damaged from being knocked while focused close since they're not IF lenses
>becomes cheap
>full frame digital comes out
>suddenly becomes worthwhile since it can do everything 120 film can do
>ends 220 production completely and reduces availability of 120 to almost nothing
Not just this lens specifically, but lenses like it paired with FF digitals.

>>4433628
The 6008 has a huge amount of features if you use the master control module for it. Learn a little about the camera before you dare to slander it again, sir.

I forgot that both of them have optional grips. Lol. 6008 still feels better in the hand without a grip, the shutter button is cooler to press and green, and helicoid is the superior focusing design. The lenses are also way better on the 6008.

>>4433631
Super shitty nikon af-d lenses give you the hasselblad look

>>4433633
>The lenses are also way better on the 6008.
Only one of these cameras captured 'Bliss'. It was not the rollei

>>4433634
Maybe the 50/1.4 does, I can say the 24/2.8 definitely does NOT have any hassleblad look.

>>4433635
More like chudgates bliss in piss. Rollei was too expensive for the average Joe.
I was given a really nice hardcover Rollei 600x photo book when I bought something from a camera store one time. Beautiful pictures taken by highly talented photographers.
The lenses for that system are phenomenal. It even has its own lineup of meme zeiss glass and planars that were probably still made in the motherland! Rendition between schneider and zeiss is different, but both a really really cute and cool.

>>4433637
fatherland not motherland dumbass

>>4433638
Shit. Well now you know I'm not a nazi probably. Up to you if that is a good or bad thing.

>>4433623
>>4433618
Wtf are you even talking about ? It's blatantly false you just can't remove the lens if you don't cock the lever... You are either lying or extremely retarded and tried to remove the lens by forcing it with a hammer and some tools ? Anyway I agree that I would sell my rb67 for a digital system any day because of how boring it is to have to do everything manually. It's good to learn but it gets old super fast. Sadly I don't really trust the reliability of the 6008

>>4433645
I dont remember what I did, but I solved the problem by sticking a pin shaped in a specific way into this hole on the front of the camera to press a tab that released the lens. It was really really annoying, but I fixed it.

I may have put an uncocked lens on the camera, but I definitely did not force anything on or off the camera.

The rollei 6008 is a really swell camera. It actually feels really solid and well built. I don't think most people have ever held or used one before. The 6008 are expensive, but the older ones can be had for like 500 bucks and then you can use the amazing glass the system has to offer.

>>4433544
>>4433579
based
planning on picking up a III one of these days

>>4433520 (OP)
please put your kid toys away and get an slr. The Pentax 67 is all you need anon

>>4433953
Those are slrs?

>>4433953
>electric toy
>doesnt know what SLR means or what an SLR is

>>4433953
>recommends Pentax
Retard probably thinks SLR means the shape of the body, like a Nikon F or something, not the internal design lmao

>>4433968
...is that why it's called an F?

>>4433968
>>4433953
Bet it’s mind blowing to find out that picrel is an SLR too, eh chuddie?

>>4433973
I feel like this is kind of pointless. The whole point of an SLR over a view camera is that an SLR negates the need for the slow process of mounting on a tripod, finding and focusing your image, mounting the back, removing the darkslide, and then taking the image. On an SLR you can do it much faster, but at the cost of vibration. A camera that large isn't really practical to move around and shoot, and i'm not familiar with that model but I'm sure it wont take roll film, so really it might as well be a view camera. Seems like you gain nothing but add vibration.

>>4433975
It is faster than the alternatives for the format, which is all that really matters. It is also easier to see your GG and it is essentially a waist level viewfinder.

>>4433581
Battery system is similar to Hasselblad
Has meter built-in to the body like a Bronica EC-TL or a Mamiya 645 Pro TL
Lens designs have remain unchanged since the systems launch, are still used today in the Hy6 system
SL66 exists if you want something more mechanical

>>4433953
These are both slr's you idiot

>>4433975
Well that in particular is like a 100year old design and it was quickly suplanted by the crown and speed graphics, so you’re not wrong. But you sure do like a chad using one

>>4433520 (OP)
Get a Hasselblad.

In just a few years you will be able to buy the older generations of the digital backs for pretty cheap on the used market.

>>4433520 (OP)
I've had an rb67 pro sd with nearly all of the accessories for a decade. I wouldn't recommend it to most people because you have to be dedicated to boat anchor camera life and the mechanical aspect has its own quirks. At the same time, I can't really give it up because it's what I'm used to now. If I was starting over I'd go Hassy or Mamiya. If you are the sort that wants to shoot large format eventually it could be a good gateway drug.

>>4434135
I've only recently got a rb67 but I feel like I could see myself go down that brick-style life
It's true tho that during moments where you have to act fast, the whole mechanical aspect is a challenge

>>4433603
>My 5g tower is IP banned from posting pics apparently
Burn it in retaliation.