Did I waste my money getting an M43 camera instead of full frame? I got an EM1-III because it seemed to have everything I wanted, and the picture quality is good, but now reading more discussions on /p/ I wonder if the picture quality is actually bad and I can't see it, and if I should sell for full frame

>>4440852 (OP)
if you're happy with the images it creates that's all that matters. /p/ is a rage storm of autism. Don't regard it

>>4440852 (OP)
It's bad if you want to obsessively document every fine detail of a mundane object without a hint of artistic merit.
Because you're autistic.
If you're not autistic and don't care about sharpness when viewed at 400% zoom, but actually want to take photos that rely on good composition and interesting subject matter, it's just fine and dandy.

>>4440864
Funny joke, but literally every artist uses a medium format or full frame camera

that's because it's not about super sharpness. if you want super sharpness you buy a m43 macro lens, turn on pixel shift mode, and start scanning reality one square at a time. it's a deep center crop so it uses the sharpest part of the lens! if you're an artist it's about FEELING, and explaining the technological aspects that allow cameras to create feeling is totally beyond /p/ so i'll put make it easy

Bigger cameras soak up more reality
More tones
More smooth transitions
More shadows
More highlights
It's about the transition between in and out of focus
It's about getting the rendering of a 3 element lens with the sharpness of a 12 element lens because the image size/pixel size is bigger than the optical flaws
It's about the fact that human vision has a medium format like perspective

MFT (phone sensors) just aren't a good fit for art unless you want it to look trashy on purpose. m43 rendering looks like dull plastic shit and super sterile across the frame.

>Did I waste my money getting an M43 camera
Yes
>On full frame?
Buy a hasselblad H3D-39II and forget "high ISOs", real art in color stops at 400, past that have fun in B&W.

>>4440883
>MFT (phone sensors)
mft is 3x bigger than phone sensors. Everyone knows a $15k hasselblad system is better. The point is OP doesn't need to acquire gear syndrome and get on a hedonic treadmill. He can make art right now with what he has and if he deems he needs something better then he can get something better.

>>4440887
>He can make art right now
Nope. Digital photography is literally not art. It's a trade. If he wanted to make art he should have bought a film camera and some darkroom supplies.

Real prints made from real photographs = works of art
Digital photos = disposable data
Micro four thirds "photos" = sterile rendering, lacking tonality, plasticky, harsh, no soul, only good for pixel peepers thats why their cameras are marketed with pixel shift and FPS gimmicks and the #1 selling point is "everything is always sharp all the time". Peak reality scanner.

>>4440852 (OP)
Sell that shit and buy a mamiya m645 1000s with a sekor c 80mm f2.8. A REAL camera.

Then buy a cheaper one for doing scans (to determine which negatives are worth printing). Micro four thirds is just scanning equipment.

>>4440888
>Nope. Digital photography is literally not art.
I feel bad for you

>>4440892
I feel worse for someone that thinks pressing a button is art. Do you think using chatGPT is art too?

Film photography is real photography and art. From the darkroom flows human expression, human soul.
Digital is only called photography because of the poverty of the english language. A better term is "machine vision".

>>4440894
lol this is such pretentious horseshit. You sound like the ultimate midwit redditor

>>4440852 (OP)
if you wanna make art shoot 4x5 and do prints
if you want photos that actually look good buy a nikon zf and a 40mm f2

if you want reality scanning "picture of a ___" shot with "zoom to fill the frame" as the sole goal then stick with micro four thirds

>>4440888
>prints
outdated medium boomer, no one cares, adapt or go extinct.

>>4440896
>Uhm, pressing a button is art because... uh, I pressed a button!
Art is unique human expression
Pressing a button to freeze a digital video feed is not art sorry
Carefully crafting a print in the darkroom is absolutely art and you can get started for cheap
>35mm SLR: $25
>5 pack of fuji: $25
>patterson tank, changing bag, and chems: ~$100
>enlarger: probably free, check craigslist/facebook
>darkroom: just turn off the lights nigga

>>4440899
>Not doing prints
All that you have posted on the internet instantly became irrelevant and indistinguishable from AI generated fakes. All you ever were was temporary engagement for meta inc's data collection and ad campaigns.

Instagram and you don't exist

>>4440900
>>Uhm, pressing a button is art because.
Film is also pressing a button I don't know if you knew that.
>WOWEE LOOK HOW CHEEP IT IS
get a job

>>4440901
stop huffing paint idiot, do you hear yourself? nobody gives a shit about your physical prints, today's world is digital, if Michelangelo had Instagram back in the day he would too post his shit there.
Pixels or brush strokes it doesn't matter, if the the artwork make you FEEL then it's art, if we apply your impotent logic as digital =/= art then everything song you heard and every movie you saw is fake and doesn't exist.

Wow I didn't realize there were such based and printpilled people on /p/. I'm proud of you guys.

Post some of your artistic prints?

>>4440894
LMAO, nice bait.

>>4440904
>today's world is digital
>because
>it is
>OK!?
You talk about feel but how's these for feeling inducing?

Something actually made by human hands.
A real moment in time, immediately immortalized in a real physical medium

If that doesn't add to the feeling you have no soul. Digital slop is cheap, disposable, and could be AI generated. Digital photography just isn't important. Digital images are the computer generated backing track to the shitty pop song of consumerism and dopamine chasing.

>>4440852 (OP)
>Did I waste my money getting an M43 camera instead of full frame?
Nope.

>>4440923
>Something sony is generally accepted to be better by everyone who knows what they're talking about
>this guy makes it his mission in life to find the one youtube comparison where they fucked up using the sony on accident or on purpose (usually on purpose, it's clickbait/advertising)

>>4440922
>Something actually made by human hands. A real moment in time, immediately immortalized in a real physical medium
I thought this board was about photography. Why are you talking about painting?

>>4440927
Print a negative and say that again

>>4440915
We don't actually take photos we just argue because it's funny

I have an om-5 lol

>>4440931
>we just argue because it's funny

So true. I don't even own a camera other than my smartphone. I just like reading charts and tech.

>muh film
>muh dark room
photography is not even real art. Learn to paint

>>4440959
chatgpt paints for me

>muh paint
>muh brushes
painting is not even real art. Learn to write

>muh writing
>muh words
writing is not real art
learn to just create reality from nothing

>>4440894

I coined the correct term for digital photography and its related computer processing 30 years ago. Digital photographic arts.

To understand how the digital photographic process differs from traditional analog processes, you have to understand that digital images are an artificial facsimile whereas analog images are a direct capture of subject.

To understand that analog processes are an illusionary creation of the demonic sciences you must understand that our eyes are mirrors and the rods and cones in them simply interpret wavelengths of light and process them into images. The devil science of photographic film merely emulates that, you must look at things in person to see them, never view images or you will go to hell.

The above should read Digitally rendered photographic arts.

>>4440979

Believe it or not, you may be more correct than you know.

>>4440979
Silver is a powerful alchemical agent that can sap away small portions of a soul. That is partly why silver mirrors were replace with aluminum. Do NOT get me started on mercury mirrors and daguerrotype.

This doesn't help me with my question in the OP...

>>4440990

Did you not receive a response telling you that the only thing that matters is whether or not you are satisfied with it?

>>4440990
Buy camera from brick and mortar shop with return policy. Spend the next few days taking many photos. If you love it then you should keep it. If you hate it then you should return it.

>>4441005
This better if you can just rent some stuff for a week

>>4441012
Oh yeah. Grab a gfx100 or h2d 100, a full frame, and an mft. You have to get prints made from each one as well.

we had the same thread last week, plase consult with other shills to keep the spam bots from repeating threads and posts next to each other

>>4440883
Photographers that care about the art almost always do use medium format or full frame, you're right.
But it's because they actually give a fuck about marginal improvements. It's what they live and breathe for, or make a living off of. So nothing other than the money in their bank account is going to stop them from spending 2x as much for a 20% perceptual improvement if you look very hard.
m43 is good for people who only give a fuck enough for getting 80% of the way there, to get some nice pictures of friends, pets, kids, whatever to put on their fridge. It's good for casuals that want to "get good" but not so good strangers will trust them to take nice photos of their weddings or to get their art into galleries. It's good for people who want an escape of working a day of retail hell and want to have a little fun in the park on a free afternoon with a little side hobby they can't afford to put much money into.

The only casuals it's not good for are autistic fucks who give a shit more about pixel-perfect representation of a wind turbine, than they ever could about a street photo that evokes an emotional response.

My biggest regret was buyed canon and invest into ef and efs lenses.

What a retard me. Wish i invest into sony fe or m43.

>>4441157
this shitty bait gets worse every fucking day how do people still fall for it, jesus.