Thread 507048587

>>507048587 (OP)
Fighting for home is more motivating than fighting for french jewish interests

>>507048587 (OP)
TRANNY rice farmers to boot. Vietnam is like 50% ladyboys.

>>507048587 (OP)
Intel was sabotaged by glowniggers to prolong the war for research purposes. Modern war is a science experiment run by demons trying to open hellgates with the essence of suffering.

>>507049055
No it isn't, you lying fucking kike.

>>507048587 (OP)
wasnt the k/d ratio of vietnam like 10 to 1 in favor of americans?
in terms of military, vietnam got their shit pushed in. politically the democrats used it as a tool to attack republicans

>>507048587 (OP)
KGB HIPPYS INFILTRATED INTO AMERICA

THE NVA COMMIES GOT STEAMROLLED IN BATTLE

>>507048832
french were already btfo when jews decided to take a slice

>https://www.vietnamwar50th.com/1966-1967_taking_the_offensive/Battle-of-Dak-To/
Remember that time that the bloodiest battle of 'nam was to take a random ass hill that we gave up about a week later? Enjoy that sand armybros.

>>507049439

Hey I’ve got a joke for you.

Who never, ever brings up k/d ratios after a war?

The side who won.

>>507050153
since when? my joke (picrelated) is funnier, btw.

>>507048587 (OP)
>be horny american GI joe
>see jamal having sex with a ladyboy jungle chink
>get jealous as fuck that theyre nice to him and let him bust a big nigger load in his ass then let him keep fighting them like nothing happened
>see ladyboy jungle chink giving you the me so horny eyes
>get your big freedom cock inside and bust a hot load in his tight chink ass
>realize youve been surrounded by the other charlies
>they take you prisoner and start beating your balls with twigs and sticks
>the ladyboy you fucked pleads to let you go because you were actually pretty good at fucking his chink boypussy
>they cave and let you go
>your descendents are dumb millennial basedboys that love having their balls smacked or stepped on... all thanks to that ladyboy in vietnam

>>507049528
>KGB HIPPYS INFILTRATED INTO AMERICA
Hahahaaha.
Maybe Mi6?
I've heard Mi6 ran drug ops on boomers

>>507051071
This is the gayest cope I ever read. Vietnam vets got treated like dogs when they came home btw and became homeless heroin addicts. God bless murica. But at least we btfo some farmers right bro?

>>507048587 (OP)
>Why couldn't the USA beat a bunch of rice farmers?
Vietnam is in the middle of asian HEROIN trade.

2 largest opium growing areas in Asia - Afghanistan and this golden triangle - Vietnam / Thailand / Laos etc.

CIA was establishing opium / heroine routes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Triangle_(Southeast_Asia)

>>507049190
>Modern war
All war. History was invented by people trying to figure out what was happening and why.

>>507052125
thats what soldiers are
good iron isn't wasted on nails

>>507049439
Lol mutts love inflating the kill ratio
Imagine believing western figures

>>507048587 (OP)
Asymetrical insurgent forces always win over time. You literally have to go scorched earth to beat them (like they did in Vietnam with napalm)

>>507051071
Please point to Saigon on the map

>>507048587 (OP)
jews used the msm to influence the minds of boomers and make them think that vietnam was the worst conflict in the history of the world and that it had to end. in reality, the US was hampered by rules of engagement, things like embedded journalists shifting public opinion, and the overall effect was that 'our hands were tied.' if we had been able to use our full force against the enemy there, the conflict would have gone differently. and just because we stopped fighting and left doesn't mean that we 'lost.' vietnam is a country friendly to us now. the communist sphere of influence was contained. my shirts and socks are made in vietnam.

1,000,000 dead communists in the 1970's is 3,000,000 fewer communists to fight today. compare that to our losses. then look at how the media made our soldiers look like monsters and convinced people to call them babykillers when they got home when that had never happened for any other war in the history of our nation.

vietnam was unusual, to say the least.

US never had intentions of invading north Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia; afraid that China and USSR would jump in and kick their asses like in Korea.
So they bombed the fuck out of all of these countries, but that didn't stop the Ho Chi Minh trail from transporting troops, weapons, food etc..
From then on they were sent to Seek and Destroy missions with no intent of holding territory or dismentling the vietcong south Vietnamese support.
To me this war was about taking white americans away from college so that they could make it more communist.

>>507052607
>it was the journalists!
>it was the ROE!
>it was the command structure!
Stating the reasons that you lost doesn't absolve you of the loss

Its still a loss

>>507049439
16 to 1 actually. It only evens out when you include all the ARVN casualties

>>507049528
>>507051954
>>507051954
>Maybe Mi6?
>I've heard Mi6 ran drug ops on boomers
So , it is a fact that London was the center of all drug trade in the past.
>we've had things like British - Chinese opium wars
>to control the drug trade.

Between 1839 and 1860 several opium wars :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars

>The Second Opium War was waged by Britain and France against China from 1856 to 1860,
> and consequently resulted in China being forced to legalize opium
Britain and France = euro globohomo oligarchs.

Their goal in Golden Triangle, the opium paradise , was to also control the opium trade.

Industrial warfare vs. asymmetric warfare.
Asymmetric warfare (or guerilla warfare) was developed specifically to combat industrial warfare.
It has its origins from a variety of sources but most people agree it was perfected in China with Mao's revolution.

On its face, of course there is no way that paltry farmers or shepherds armed with chinky AKs could reasonably stand up to the might of an industrial nation's output capacity for war.

But with the right strategies, tactics, and enough time, an asymmetric adversary can drag out a war until the political side of the industrial warfaring nation wears down and support for occupation declines at home.
Asymmetric warfare is fundamentally a war of attrition, but not ultimately for resources or logistics (though of course those are always highly important factors in war), it is for attrition of morale, the willingness to fight.

Sun Tzu talked about it in the Art of War. A protracted war drains the public coffers, weakens army morale, and invites subversives.
Centuries later, Prussian Clausewitz would talk about it as well -- recommending that the most moral form of warfare indeed is a brutally swift, violent, and extremely pragmatic military conduct. Basically, you want war to be over as quickly as you can possibly do so (20th & 21st century realities -- nuclear war and MAD -- largely has stifled this theory but it does remain fundamentally correct on paper).

In response industrial warfare has tried many different strategies to combat the strengths that asymmetry has against it (non-existent targets, hit-and-run attacks, ambushes, logistics sabotage, hiding amongst a given populace, propaganda of the deed[s], IEDs, national sympathies, inclusion of criminal elements, racial components, attrition of morale, atrocity propaganda etc. & more), but so far nothing has worked; until now, when they had the great idea to instead use their industrial capacity in a different style: rather than produce, collect intelligence.

>>507048587 (OP)
The Viet Cong were superior.

>>507048587 (OP)
we did. we killed a fuck load more of those subhumans than they killed of us. we were already being undermined and pulled out because the loss of public support. we beat the ever loving fuck out of those slants lmao

>>507048587 (OP)
1) Their strategy was bomb the fuck out of everything from above which at that time did fuck all against bunkers, underground caves n shit

2) Their soldiers were complete pussies who lacked any kind of jungle warfare experience

>>507048587 (OP)
USA treated it like a game
Vietnam treated it like an invasion of their homeland

>>507048587 (OP)
vietnam is very complicated.. South vietnam was incredibly corrupt and really took advantage of American support and everyone we tried to put in power had a very strong urge to take a dictatorial position and squander American money.
the common people even in the south had little love for american troops and because they just kicked out the french colonialists not long ago and nobody wanted to do it again.

north vietnam pretty much everyone was willing to die for the cause and their army moved in a very transient fashion.. meaning we spent the entirety of the war taking points of land and villages that had already been won months or weeks earlier.
so it became very hopeless for american troops wondering why their friends were dying in a village that they had just won. it also garnered alot of resentment for the people of vietnam and why we were bothering to 'help them' to begin with.

to say we lost is a bit of a stretch too.. they just outlasted us. military leadership was betting on the idea that 'we kill enough, bomb enough and destroy enough these people will fold' but they didn't and were willing to take it all.

the one thing Vietcong were excellent at was maintaining their supply lines.. no matter how much we bombed them and surveyed them.. they kept supplies moving. without them the vietcong would of had no chance to have kept it up as long as they did..

>>507053557
THE COMMIES LOST LITERALLY EVERY BATTLE INCLUDING TET

AMERICA WOOPED THEIR COMMIE ASS

>>507052125
i mean yeah? i hope you get btfo just like they did in the future. pretty obvious you're some sort of shitskin.

>>507048587 (OP)
>boomers are cowards
need evidence?

>>507050153
But Russia brings up their k/d for WWII constantly.

>>507053773
vs 58k dead boomers
>we lost
sure we did faggot

just like 1 million dead sand nigger subhumans vs 5k us casualties

we didn't fight to exterminate them
we should have

American leadership was tramuatized by going too far in Korea causing the Chinese to enter the war which the US had no politically acceptable answer for (they couldn't declare war on China because it was too huge and likely bring in the Soviets), so in Vietnam they held back too much and gave the communists endless chances to avoid defeat.

>>507053626
outlasting the enemy is winning, being outlasted is losing. its not "a stretch" you just have an egotistical attachment to a flag and a freemason social experiment.

>>507053880
only the d, not the k

>>507054039
>>507053995
hey are you also a fucking retard? you don't think we could have outlasted them while suffering less than 60k dead vs their over a million? we couldn't outlast them, you say, mr dumb faggot?

>>507048587 (OP)
We could, and did, until the money ran out.
The Vietnam War's financiers decided they were done with the conflict and the US military followed.

>>507054165
Then you left and Vietnam became communist = lost

>>507054152
>we could have!
but you didn't.

WE ALL KNOW WHO WOULD'VE STEAM ROLLED THE VIET CONG IN 6 MONTH.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Vietnam_(1945%E2%80%931946)

>>507053626
The premise of the war was lost before any combat started. What exactly is the point of going to another nation and wiping it out?

>>507054312
jews, am i right. gotta love the 60's. hippies can't die fast enough. beaten by niggers, ideally

>>507049439
We absolutely farmed zipperheads for XP, We actively weren't allowed to win the war politically. The civilian population of any modern country (except maybe chinks) doesn't have what it takes to win a war where your every action winds up televised. People generally don't like to see death. Particularly the kind of violence required to conquer a people.

>>507054435
So what youre saying is we lost

>>507048587 (OP)
I wouldn’t let them.

>>507054381
>it doesn't count as losing... we COULD HAVE won!
>muh hippies
man just stfu lmao

lmao, american realy think that the problem is that they didn't kill enough innocent people. Fucking mutts

>>507048587 (OP)

Once "the people" got firearms, they could never be fully conquered.

Now do you get why governments and globalist socialists want to disarm the world's civilian populations?

Look what happened in a nearby country under PolPot after disarming the populace.

The media and Hollywood demonized our soldiers who were winning every engagement.

>>507049439
You don't win wars by just mindlessly keeping tabs and scores of who has killed more. That's childish soldier imagination games that you played at 8 years old on the playground.
If you think that's how wars are won, please stay away from any command or leadership positions, because you are fucking retarded.
It doesn't matter if you killed more soldiers if you end up losing the political argument that the war is fought over. War is politics. It is the continuation of politics by other means. It's what happens when a disagreement turns sour and negotiations and diplomacy fail.
It's not enough to just kill soldiers. You have to kill soldiers in strategically and tactically relevant situations that force the other side to concede, and you need a foreign policy that moves with military objectives in lockstep such that they can leverage the military maneuvers politically and thus achieve policy outcome, AKA war objectives.
The objective in war isn't to kill. That's not why you fight wars.
It happened to the UK in Malaysia, the USA in Vietnam, the Russians in Afghanistan, and then the Americans in Afghanistan again (isn't blowback a bitch?); the USA has had every experience and observation to learn this lesson but it doesn't seem to learn it.

>>507054537
are you an honest to god moron? we pulled out because of public support. the 60's were totally authentic in nature, right?

>>507052249
Not the only time the CIA fucked everything royally.

>>507054693
you don't seem to understand. it doesn't matter WHY you pulled out. the enemy outlasted you. you lost. blaming it on your country's political situation is empty cope.

>>507048587 (OP)
I really hate this "rice farmer" bullshit normies spout when they don't know anything about the war.

>Americans had to fight both the NLF (VC) in the South and the PAVN (North Vietnam's regular army)

>NLF was being directed and supported by North Vietnam, and had full-time regular units

>Both were being supplied by the Soviets and China, and had military experience from fighting Japan and France previously

>>507054736
do you think i care you fucking stupid canadian faggot?

>>507048832
France has the second largest of jews after the US btw. Totally not related to the colonizers who came to vietnam

>>507054508
Hard to say there were any real winners outside the VC leadership.

>>507054834
yes, clearly. you got so mad you called me "mr dumb faggot" like youre 13 or something. you're probably gonna seethe about this all day long. the salt is delicious desu

>>507054918
>says seethe
yes, like a grown up

>>507048587 (OP)
Because they were not fighting a real war.
Now if you had raised an army of men with each man being told to kill or drive out the local population out, take whatever they wanted, and to settle the land as their own, then the USA would have won the war.
Its what the Mongols did across Asia. Its what the Muslims did across the Middle East and even into the Balkans. Its what the American settlers did across the US continent.
Its essentially what Israel is doing in Gaza now. Despise them however much you like but admit they know how to fight a a real war.

The trouble is we rarely fight real wars anymore. Its all a sort of sick theater where men die to achieve nothing of value for themselves. If we fought wars of old, where every civilian was treated as an enemy to be killed, or at best some of their women taken as breeding slaves, where the land became yours to settle, farm and raise families upon, where the enemy country was wiped the fuck out existence permanently, its culture, language and heritage done forever, then its very likely countries would think twice before going to war. There certainly wouldn't be any more of these pointless forever wars

>>507054860
Gotta give them "Dutch" a thought too. Remember the Opium Wars, and Sacklers.

>>507054615
The only way to win is to have no enemy left to fight. This is increasingly challenging since the advent of visual and audio media.

>>507055028
I bet you think your country won in Afghanistan too

>>507054828
The chinks also tried to take over after the Americans left, and they got their shit pushed in.

>>507055037
Nothing stopped american troops of doing just that. They raped and impregnated a bunch of local women too.

>>507055037
Very much so.

>>507055201
Burned villages and napalmed anything that moved
And they still lost

>>507048587 (OP)
you mean 20:1 KD which ended with a negotiated peace treaty?

>>507049757
Pretty sure the women's fashion of the 20s with the low brim hats and low cut tops were so Jewish women could participate in fashion by hiding their rat ears and distracting people with their Babylonian milkers

>>507055201
The (((journalists))) were everywhere. They wanted the communists to win, so that's how they reported everything. They applauded firebombing Germans and Japan during the second world War, because they were a threat to the communists. They made it impossible to win. Still are.

>>507048587 (OP)
south vietnam and ARVN were corrupt and incompetent. similar to afghanistan in that matter with the ANA

>>507048587 (OP)

Not even close

They basically just threw wave after wave of their men at Americans until some dipshit hippie journalist realized he could help communism by broadcasting actual warfare to televisions, for the first time ever in history, back home to millions of white women who would scream and cry and demand an end to it.

>>507055385
>ended with a negotiated peace treaty
might want to check the history book again, there's a twist ending

>>507048587 (OP)
Tunnel warfare. Everyone loses when confronted with it. That's also how Hamas is still around despite Israel throwing everything they e got at it and the real reason unpermitted tunneling is illegal in the U.S.A. because the government knows of a military were to ever establish a tunnel system out in a rural area they would be absolutely fucked and it could lead to a power balance shift and a successful insurrection.

>>507055201
I could restate what I said but you are obviously too fucking stupid to understand.

>>507055764

"I don't believe you!"

Fucking 4:1 dead between the South Vietnamese forces and the North. The US "lost" the war because communists made it politically untenable using modern media.

>>507055656
Yep, looks like we backed the wrong side every single time

>>507055976

Forgot my image

>>507055608
American troops had complete control of most South Vietnam, they did act like "conquerors" in many ways, like the kiwi sugested, but they simply didn't give a shit about the local population to get that deeply evolved in vietnamese world to "take whatever they want" (they only wanted boypussies and cunnies and they got it)

>>507055920
*Militia

>>507055037
Even back then civilians were usually spared. When romand conquered another group of people they didn't kill everyone. Sometimes they even spared the upper classes. All they asked for was submission.

The real reason why countries mindlessly wage wars these day is because there are no consequences for the leaders. Back then the officers ranks were made of nobles and the king attented the battles too so even if their chances for survival were better they were risking their necks too and would think twice before making reckless decisions.

>>507052769
>Wage a war
>Have enough and sign a treaty
>Treaty is broken immediately after you leave
>Somehow this means you lost

>>507049055
they were fighting for boipussy

>>507049439
it was a cia/mossad op on controlling populations of people. the american were kidnapping villagers and torturing them. this is why american war vets always kill themselves

>>507055901
>You lost because they broke the treaty immediately
Retard alert

>>507058632
>I didn't want to go back because my soldiers have PTSD and it's bad optics
You lost.
L O S T
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>>507058805
Why should we go back? It wasn't our country. We gave it to them with a treaty in place. In what world wasn't it the south vietnamese who lost it? We weren't even there when it was conquered.

>our k/d better therefore we won!!!!!!
I swear mutts live in some sort of RTS game reality.

>>507059341
That's rich coming from a country who uses zerg rushes in real life.

>lost the war
>pajama-ninjas hoisted their flag over the White House...

I like vietnam,we should have let fr*nce lose horribly
They didn't force us out,we left willingly when the R&D was over