Thread 507086044

what caused libertarianism to become so unpopular? it even looks like republicans are moving left economically with josh hawley wanting $15 federal minimum wage

also why did this one vote for trump?

corporations being completely against conservative ideals for the past few decades hasn't helped.

never had a coherent message
>pay off the debt but no more taxes
>smaller government but still have a military
>more freedoms but less legal protection for them
plus libertarians IRL are all disgusting slimy old redneck dudes whose only personality is rolling coal in their shitty lifted trugg

The largest single group of voters in this nation is non-voters, which are never talked about, despite having the most serious political problems in this nation as a representation of the poor.

Both parties are zionist. The realpolitik is to contain and quell the anti-government people from non-participation in elections and especially in the military. Without the consent of the people the government will collapse.

Every move from the current administration for months now has been attempts to suppress anti-zionist uprising and win the consent of dissidents. They know they overstepped their bounds in 2020 and that the days of this government are numbered.

They fear the people. They try very, very hard to pander to the people who can rightfully wake up and turn on them.

>>507086044 (OP)
Most people aren’t competitive economically and the path of least resistance for them is to whine about it to the state enough that the state will steal some crumbs for them from people with economic value.

>>507086670

The zionist Jews did 9/11.

This is not a conspiracy or opinion.

This is proof of government participation in the attacks.

And this government is undeniably zionist, there is no doubt of that.

The zionist Jews did 9/11, and overthrowing the zionist government is justice for 9/11.

If you do not submit to the red zionist or blue zionist you will realize how much freedom you have to reclaim self-determination.

>>507086780

>competitive economically

The richest people in this nation are social parasites.

Usurers, landlords, pornographers. Just admit you hate the poor.

That you do not care about Americans and about this nation.

You are spiritually an international zionist Jew with no nation.

Your loyalty is a fucking nickel from any corner of the world.

>>507086044 (OP)
Because the average cattle subhuman wants MORE regulation MORE laws MORE taxes to feel safe instead of choosing freedom.
The average normgroid is a statist subhuman and the average government doesn't like Libertarians who want to take away the government's powers.

>>507086044 (OP)
anti-capitalist messaging is everywhere and economics is unintuitive (this results in retards using "common sense" as their basis for economic policy).

>>507086460
>smaller government but still have a military
Not mutually exclusive
>more freedoms but less protections
Protect yourself you worthless cuck, that's what the freedoms are for.
Congrats on being a normoid statist subhuman, basically an NPC

>>507087159
Sorry, I'm not licking the Polished Shoe

>>507087159
Those guys are Jewish pieces of shit it's because of people like them that Libertarianism has even less support than it would normally have which is close to 0.
I'm all for personal freedoms capitalist pigs can suck it.

>>507087297
You actually are though (government shoe or government-corpo shoe)
>>507087406
Hating jews isn't an excuse to terminate all thought about economics

>>507086967
So listen man I don't know shit about buildings and shit and I think that WTC7 was pretty sus, but why would they be setting off charges near the top? I've watched a bunch of controlled demolitions and they always go from the bottom.

>>507086121
accelerationism

>>507087474
Free market fags are the last nail in the coffin of Libertarianism. The moment you tell people you want to reduce taxes on big corporations they tell you to eat shit.

personal freedoms > corporat freedoms
purple libertarians > yellow libertarians

The answer that Libertarians have for degeneracy, white genocide, atomisation, drug epidemics etc. is legalise it and open the borders.
They have no solutions for real problems. It's completely dead in the west.

>>507086044 (OP)
The culture war successfully brainwashed everyone into sucking off politicians because most people are weak dumbasses and manchildren who depend on public services and can't take care of themselves.

>>507087657
The answer to these things is freedom of association and non-government social institutions (e.g. church).

>>507087588
>The moment you tell people you want to reduce taxes on big corporations they tell you to eat shit.
This is true and bad. People see taxes as consequence-free money that will go to them.

>>507087657
I have: grab a gun and kill those people yourself.

>>507087949
No, it isn't because that doesn't stop jews from fucking your community over. Communist and other subversive groups don't need to exist at all. Libertarians just don't care about morality or white people.

>>507087987
Libertarians don't believe in that because it violates the NAP.

>>507088021
>hat doesn't stop jews from fucking your community over
it does
>Communist and other subversive groups don't need to exist at all
I'd like all the communists to freely move together have a commune somewhere else
>Libertarians just don't care about morality or white people
I care about both. I just don't want Trump telling me what's moral.

>>507087657
Ez pz: local decentralized white militias that enforce anti-degeneracy using deadly force since centralized government cops are fucking useless anyway and in fact help protect niggers.

Now that I BTFO'd you eternally, do you have any more stupid question or are you finished acting like a clueless retard?

>>507086044 (OP)
because lolbergs are almost always just rootless suburbanite white dudes whose entire ideology stems from mommy grounding them for smoking weed. community, religion, national identity, and any other meaningful characteristic that yields group solidarity is irrelevant to the lolberg. they see life through numbers on a spreadsheet and see people as fungible labor units, which is why they sociopathically care so much about muh gdp growth and letting corpos poison you for profit. most change when they have a family or some meaningful stake in society

>>507088050
I do not believe in the NAP, I believe that if someone has given you what you believe is legitimate reasons to attack them, you should.

>>507088400
And your entire ideology relies on sucking off politicians, the eternal parasite of man.

If you hate drugs (aka you're anti freedoms statist cuck) bust down my door and personally come and get them.
What? You don't have the balls and need cops to do the job for you?
Yeah I figured, statist pussies. Statism is literally feminization and infantilization of grown ass men: "pls daddy Government do this and that for me"
Disgusting and pathetic, it's my God given right to kill myself with drugs if I so desire.

>>507088400
>they sociopathically care so much about muh gdp growth
it's actually sociopathic to not care about it

>>507088240
Libertarians in the west don't promote that

>>507088196
No, allowing jews to flood your town, culture and the internet with lies, subversive media and addictive drugs does not stop them. Never before in history has a society allowed that. No other country in the world allows that. Why would you even ever allow subversive groups to exist and operate? It is retarded.

>>507086044 (OP)
They were a grift because they didn't have the courage to back up their beliefs. Their only course of action was to pick a place in the country and all move there and they didn't do it because they are a bunch of coomers lacking conviction.

>>507086044 (OP)
it would only work if everyone was equal and mentally capable but that isn't the case. society needs a structured system of retard wranglers to enforce rules and that requires money (tax)

>>507088406
Ok, but the discussion is about libertarianism, not your preferred policies.

>>507088400
United communities via localized armed militias is literally the Lolbert dream, you filthy NPC, your entire post is literally just word vomit.

>>507086044 (OP)
For the 1000th time, Libertarianism DOESN'T EVEN EXIST in actual reality.

judaism <-> liberalism <-> marxism

>>507088692
LIDDURALLY go fuck your uncle faggot.

>>507088706
but it should, and to the extent that it does the results are better
>>507088733
great example of a successful libertarian leader
yeah the jew worship is gay but that's not inherently libertarian; see pic-related
most libertarians do not want anything to do with the middle east, which jews hate

>>507088612
What are you talking about?
Libertarians in the west promote small government and unrestricted 2A which means small localized gropus can form their own armed communities as long as they don't violate other people's NAP.
Which isn't even that big of a problem, if you don't agree with your local community you shouldn't live there to begin with, you can simply move to a community you agree with or live alone.
This is impossible in the current government since it controlls all of the territory there's nowhere to move to escape it.

>>507088706
It used to, during the Wild West in the US, and it was great.
Then overnight everyone became cucks to the state snd the USA's downfall began, featuring getting millions of men killed by getting the country into the two biggest wars ever.

>>507086044 (OP)
Because libertarians support open borders (or just don't care), meanwhile for the rest of RWs the border question became the most important one.

>>507088736
Seething statist Anglokike. The UK is the worst nanny government in the history of mankind. You should seriously kill yourself for having to live there.

>>507086044 (OP)
The modern politics is an arbitrary mental scheme starting in medieval England. Left and right are terms for where the parliament members sat.

>>507088924
Most libertarians do support open borders in principle, but that hinges on many other things. We're also supposed to have freedom of association and no welfare state. Until we have those things, it's normal for a libertarian to oppose open borders because immigration+welfare is just a recipe for more theft.

>>507086121
In 2016 they would have seen him as consumate outsider option with only a limited connection to the political establishment, and the overall effect of his presidency would be to encourage the growth of a more liberal/libertarian element in both parties, and to encourage the growth of more political power in third parties or outside of the party system.

But then Republicans quickly got on board with Trump and Democrats went completely deranged in their criticism of Trump. Neither one become more liberal/libertarian, and the third or no party element didn't gain any power.

>>507088924
Libertarians also support the 2A entirely which means you'll be able to carry whatever gun you want everywhere you go and have the right and means to defend yourself 24/7.
Eat shit statist scum.

>>507088862
They can't shoot degenerates. That was his solution.

>>507088535
How?

>>507087588
And yet that's all American Libertarianism has been for several decades; be as much as a public degenerate as possible and give tax breaks to corporations. So you understand that it just pisses off both the left and the right and not in a good way.

>>507089165
I can blow your brains out for trying to touch my drugs, is that better?
If I lived in a libertarian country I'd carry an AR-15 and one kilogram of heroin on me at all times just to spite normalfags.
Violate the NAP and you die.

>>507089237
Nowadays pissing them off its good because it means you angered people who's entire idea of politics is a competiton over who can deepthroat a candidate the hardest.
Call me when someone pledges to shut down the CIA and the FBI, until then its the same dictatorship with a different flavor.

>>507088692
United communities that get subverted and divided by jewish organisations that you let run rampant

>>507088857
jew worship is inherently libertarian. Many of the leaders of libertarianism are jewish for a reason. It's not a threat to jews.

>>507089226
Basically if you zoom out really far and think of it as just numbers, it's natural to not care about it. But it represents the livelihood of millions of people, and policies which lead to more economic growth directly benefit the people. Of course there are some caveats because GDP isn't a perfect measure, but treating it as some fake number is also going to result in policies that do damage to people.

>>507086670
Non-voters aren't voters by definition though.

>>507089226
because consooming is good, goy. cheap plastic junk and porn and niggerball and sugar will make you happy

>>507089237
It's none of your god damn business what drugs I take and what I do with my body as long as I'm not selling to your subhuman child.
As for the public aspect I don't agree with it either, but enter my propriety and try to take anything away see what happens.
That's what libertarianism should be, you wanna shoot fags not my problem they should defend themselves.

>>507089091
Yes, but people don't want to be ethnically replaced legally. That is retarded and evil. Lolberts don't care and coincidentally many of their leaders are jews.

>>507089432
I want you to address Thomas Massie, who you are conveniently ignoring. The reality is the jews HATE a free market, what they want is a market that they can control through government instruments.

>>507089367
Subversion is a violation of the NAP, you were saying? You wanna kill CEO's and get away with it or not? The McDicks police will never be as strong as the centralized government police we have today, you're more likely to get away with assassinations.

>>507089528
>people don't want to be ethnically replaced legally
freedom of association has the same effect as a closed border

>>507089141
>well, you will live among niggers, but atleast you can kill them! (as long as they don't kill you of course)
Wow, so much liberty to appreciate.

>>507089437
So the north sentinelese people living as natural humans (with normal weights and communities) not giving a fuck about technological development all have personality disorders?
Sure, bro

>>507089672
I sure wouldn't want to be them. But if you do, great, have a community like that and use your freedom of association to exclude everyone who disagrees.

>>507089542
Thomas Massie is not a libertarian ideologue. His ideology is largely based on jewish philosophy from the 20th century.

>>507089656
>as long as they don't kill you of course
Just casually admit you're scared of niggers, well done. Case in point, I literally said a few minutes ago that statism is the feminization and infantilization of grown ass men. And here we have Ivan the cock lover, who is too big of a bitch to defend himself.

>>507089561
No, it isn't. Advertising would be legal. Memes would be legal. Publishing subversive books would be legal. Jews buying up your schools would be legal.

>>507086044 (OP)
>nearly decade old graph

how are you this retarded.

>>507089619
No, it doesn't because you let subversives roam free. The same thing will happen to it as happened to America.

>>507089747
You didn't answer the question I noticed.

>>507089760
Weird how jews hate this man so much despite his supposedly jewish ideology.

Here's a pasta of what some anon said once:
Anarchism was started by a goy: Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.
Individualist-anarchism was mostly spearheaded by goys: Josiah Warren, Henry David Thoreau, Lysander Spooner.
The austrian school of economics was started by a goy: Carl Menger.
What (((Rothbard))) essentially did was to combine the individualist-anarchist tradition with the austrian school of economics. Whether anarcho-capitalism is jewish or not: like most ideologies, it's a mix of jew and goys involved in laying the groundworks.

>>507089884
I answered what I thought was the point of your question. To directly answer your question (do they have personality disorders), I'd say they do because they're niggers. However that answer has nothing to do with the topic and your question was stupid.

>>507089914
Jews hate all goyim who do or don't follow their drivel meant to trick them. It's not weird at all.
>anarchism
Libertarians aren't anarchists.

>>507089815
And the worst case scenario is they make people vote something akin to the current government we have today. Your point? We already live in the worst subversion possible, in this scenario they're trying their hardest to bring society into the scenario we actually live right now.
Everything you said is worse when the centralized government is ran by those Jews like IRL.

>>507090036
Cope

>>507086044 (OP)
It's the ideology of the coward. Leading is difficult so they believe in doing nothing at all.

>>507090084
they don't hate all goys equally, stop being dishonest and admit that they hate Massie more because of his political positions which don't align with what they want
>Libertarians aren't anarchists.
Taken to its extreme, the NAP is anarchist. Many libertarians don't believe in going to that extreme, but anarcho capitalism is the purest form of libertarianism.

>>507086044 (OP)
What a shit polarization.
Auth-center vs Lib-Left.

>>507089779
>casually admit you're scared of niggers
You can kill 10 or 50, but in the end you'll be killed as well, that's why even most brutal societies prohibited anarchy.

>>507090152
It's the opposite, I don't want some faggot retard "leading" me by force. I'd rather lead myself or choose my own leader directly (through association, not voting).

>>507086044 (OP)
You do realize that graph is tilted
According to political compass it would look like this

>>507090152
>It's the ideology of the coward
Says the subhuman coward retard NPC who needs big daddy state to dictate his entire life. How can you be this big of an NPC retard that you end up claiming the exact opposite of reality?

>>507090248
Great, and they aren't libertarian. Libertarians are influenced more by Ayn Rand than Proudhon.

>>507086044 (OP)
every rightoid larps as a lolbert nowadays

>>507090350
Shit I meant to post this

>>507086044 (OP)
libertarians were white men and social progressives turned against white men

>>507086121
That was me.

>>507090320
Libertarianism isn't anarchy, go read a book before wasting people's time.
And I don't even like open borders, don't know why other libertarians make such a fuss about them.

>>507086044 (OP)
Lolberts tried to combine liberalism and conservatism, taking what they thought were the best parts of both, but they don't understand that doing so it's like combining oil and water. Sure you might have more freedoms and less government management, but anyone looking at the future would understand exactly what the lolberts philosophy had in store for everyone, which was a pile of shit.

>>507086044 (OP)
I'm an nationalist libertarian i.e. laissez-faire economy, social conservative

>>507090320
Why even argue to a gypsy about what the best form of government is? That's like asking a homeless man for financial advice.

>>507090501
You're right we should have the Republiturd government vote more laws and more regularion so Big Daddy can decide our entire lives and if you disobey Big Daddy Gov you get ass raped in prison. Fucking amazing future.

>>507086044 (OP)
learning how fake and gay the actual economy really is and realizing libertarians are just plain retarded and have no loyalty to anything or anyone.

>>507090619
>no argument
Yeah keep seething. Why would I argue with a monkey like you from the US anything? You forgot your country is 41% white? Go loot a store, Juarez the riots aren't over

>>507086044 (OP)
it's too autistic to work in the real world
libertarianism can work if you completely embrace human nature, and reject blank-slatism
many libertarian still aren't prepare to accept that

>>507090404
It's complicated. You can dig up quotes from Ayn Rand about hating libertarians, but most modern libertarians would fine plenty of common ground with her ideology.

>>507090672
If you brown retard subhuman fuckheads werent here, we could have a nice democracy, but we can't have philia because you worthless niggers duck everything up, so now the government has to be more forceful because you useless monkeys ruin everything.

>>507090789
>el ogro de las americanas has spoken
You're literally a spic shitskin from Mexico like all americans lmao
41% "white" what a fucking joke

>>507090772
libertarians are almost proven egalitarians. they do truly think anyone and everyone is the same and can be made so. this is why they hate nations and don't care who their neighbors are.

>>507087234
You're very unintelligent and nobody agrees with you or likes you in any way

>>507090927
>libertarians are almost proven egalitarians.
correct, and this is why it won't work
no ideology that rejects human nature works
the average 70 iq haitian won't learn or care about the free-market if you educate him on the subject

>>507091038
You literally could not refute anything I said until now.
Imagine being BTFO this much by someone "very unintelligent". says a lot about you shitskin monkey from America.

>>507090773
Yeah, because anarchism has nothing to do with Libertarianism. See, Ayn Rand believes in IP laws for one thing. That's for more similar to how libertarians see the government.

>>507091052
>the average 70 iq haitian won't learn or care about the free-market if you educate him on the subject
The thing about the free market is that it works even if people don't understand it. The problem comes when people who don't understand it start trying to make economic policy. That's whey something like >>507090511 has its appeal. You can also differentiate between species. Hatians are not the same species as European humans.

The libertarians tell their own people
that they don't have a people,
that they reject the very concept
of group identity completely.
Most of them are obvious degenerates
who have no problem
with Tyrone and Paco
taking our jobs
and pushing drugs on our children.
People who would fuck other people's children,
and them tell their parents to their face
they were asking for it.
And then post videos of it online
for the world to see.

>>507086044 (OP)
A bunch of things

Keynesianism is beloved by politics, because it gives the politician the moral right to fuck up the economy for his own interests. So the powerful are already inclined to push towards that rather than libertarianism.
Big corporation have all the interest in pulling up the ladder behind them. They can buy state power to fuck their competitors up before they are even born, this without even getting into state contracts and subsidies that they can lobby for. So you have another powerful group actively lobbying against it.
Libertarians are also against central banks, so yeah, you can see why that's an issue.

Leftists hate if for obvious reasons, it's everything they stand against, they even see fascism as a tool for libertarians to crash commies (something retarded and inane by all points of view but whatever) and are actually convinced they live under libertarianism (another completely deranged thing to believe)

Conservatives and libertarians can have an uneasy alliance as conservatives some times do understand the free market to work, but there are a few issues:
>many libertarians are pro immigration
>conservatives want to use the full power of the state, meaning they will backstab the libertarians once in power
America with trump vs musk and argentina with milei and the rest of his government show that this alliance can ONLY work if the libertarian is in charge, not the conservatives, AND the libertarian must accept nationalism as valid (this implies being against open borders) to satisfy the conservatives (and also because open borders are a DISASTER)

>whaaaaa nobody likes you whaaaaa
hahahahahahahaha, forget it I don't expect anything from you
dumbfuckistan arguing lol

>>507090863
Oi whats the Libertarian answer to Blackrock,Vanguard,Blackstone etc? How do people compete with their capital?

>>507090511
BASED
The only purpose of the state is to genocide niggers

>>507089458
If you truly abide by the principle of democracy, then your non-voters are a voting block too, i.e. they refuse to participate. Imagine you ordering food for 10 people, you ask them to vote on pizza or chinese food, and only 3 guys vote, and pizza wins out. If you order pizza, you don't believe in democracy, since you didn't factor in the majority vote, which is not to decide by democratic vote.

This contradiction, and many others, are why democracy is fake, gay, and retarded. Tyrants always impose a democracy so they can claim they have a mandate, and falsely justify their rule as legitimate. North Korea is the best example of what democracy actually is.

>>507091416
Libertarians are against central banking and for free currency, meaning one cannot stay on top by simply having state accepted capital.
A less powerful government also means that lobbying the government stops having any kind of real power
The deregulation would also mean half the companies blackrock has stocks in would lose part of their market to competitors

Also blackrock exists RIGHT NOW, without libertarianism, so yeah, there is that.

>>507091342
yeah, but the thing about libertarianism without the recognition of human nature, is that there is nothing stopping a big corporation from importing loads of low iq third worlders, making society worse.
Purely economically speaking, it makes sense, but without considering human behavior, which are partly a result of genes, it leads to disastrous decisions

>>507090036
I may have taken that a bit too literally but the point is it's not inherently moral to care about annual gdp growth. They're doing just fine. On the other hand, people in advanced societies are lonely, fat, unhealthy and depressed. Why should they care about gdp growth?

>>507086044 (OP)
>venture capitalists and corporations impose DEI top-down for almost a decade on all of society
>if you opposed this, you were fired and blacklisted. You were held economically hostage to bowing down to trannies
>the only reason this has mostly stopped is because the government (Trump) has threatened to punish companies if they impose discriminatory DEI policies
Gee I wonder why

>>507091416
I don't support freedoms for corporations as I said ITT multiple times.
Armed population + lack of a big government to protect corporations is better that what we have today to protect against them.
Or you think the current gov isn't owned by Blackrock, Vanguard etc?

>>507086044 (OP)
Libertarianism only really works if it's a white male only agrarian republic ( like the early American republic) once you get (((subversives))) thrown into the mix it all falls apart because with them comes women, niggers, and all various forms of subhumans. Not to mention the complexity of a modern post industrial nation state just requires more regulation then diehard ancap types are ever going to like. Libertarians will never agree to the type of state power that would be necessary to remove the individuals that are incompatible with a more Libertarian mode of living, which is why I became a National Socialist... that's also kinda Libertarian.

>>507091448
>a pedophile Jew is le aryan got
lol, this is like how leftypol trannies try to make Marx look like a based chud

>>507091869
Ask everyone during the 2008 recession why they cared about gdp growth/decline. It affects normal people and plenty do not feel like they are fine.
>people in advanced societies are lonely, fat, unhealthy and depressed
This has no bearing on economic policy. Solve those problems through social means.

>>507091634
> The deregulation would also mean half the companies blackrock has stocks in would lose part of their market to competitors
According to? What BlackRock companies are shielded by regulation. Just answer my question how do normal people compete with BlackRock and other hedge funds capital?

>>507091915
indeed
when human nature is rejected, what happens is that people will blame exclusively the environment for group disparities, leading to higher performing groups to be discriminated against by the system

>>507092149
An economic recession affects you in an advanced society with houses and infrastructure. If you live in the rural country it doesn't.
Also, a recession is not avoided with gdp growth. You could still have a stagnant gdp. We're talking about gdp growth.
>this has no bearing on economic policy
It's caused by technology. Why do people need to congregate when they have the internet, realistic AI gfs and screens?

>>507092187
>What BlackRock companies are shielded by regulation
Every single company that uses copyright
So think EVERY media company, basically most of what blackrock owns too.
>how do normal people compete with BlackRock and other hedge funds capital?
Not every single human must be able to compete with blackrock for it to be a better situation.
And if your company is private and not publicly traded blackrock is not even something to worry about.

>>507091965
>it says in this book that everything will be fine
Im sure it has good points but this all Libertarianism is too me

>>507086044 (OP)
We grew up

>>507092070
You already posted this out of context quote and I already explained to you he was discussing how parental rights work in hypothetical anarchism, he was NOT discussing sex and he was NOT discussing something to implement as policy

>>507092588
>he was discussing how parental rights work in hypothetical anarchism,
I.E.parents can sell their kids to pedophiles for crack money. No amount of Jewish pilpul is going to change what the quote means.

>>507092453
>Also, a recession is not avoided with gdp growth.
By definition it is
>You could still have a stagnant gdp. We're talking about gdp growth.
You could, and a stagnant gdp isn't a good thing. It's just not as noticeably bad as a recession.

>>507092766
gdp growth doesn't avoid recession in the future. We're discussing why gdp growth might be good. Recession happens either way but why can't you have a stagnant gdp?
I didn't say it was a good thing. Why do you think it's a bad thing?

>>507092491
> https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/21/how-wall-street-bought-single-family-homes-and-put-them-up-for-rent.html
> Institutional investors may control 40% of U.S. single-family rental homes by 2030
How do normal people compete?

>>507093112
>homes
>How do normal people compete?
Really fucking easily
They will be able to build homes anywhere without need of permission and endless regulation

This is the WORST example you could have chosen, most critiques of libertarianism really do stem from not being able to imagine a rotating apple in your head.

>>507091819
I consider myself a libertarian, which is why I support the total dissolution of democracy and restoration of the monarchy. Most people are moral busybodies and the only system that has ever kept the plebs in check to maximize the freedom of those who actually desired to use it constructively is monarchy.

>>507093358
>They will be able to build homes anywhere without need of permission and endless regulation
Oh nonononononono AHHHHHHH

>>507086044 (OP)
Libertarians wouldn't stand with Israel.

>>507093601
-Not everyone is mexican like you
-I already stated in this thread I have an anti immigration stance
-that image does not come from a libertarian country, most of south america is hyperregulated, taxed, and socialistic in nature
All in all not a good "own"

>>507086044 (OP)
> what caused libertarianism to become so unpopular?

The watershed moment was that retard Gary Johnson asking what Aleppo was on tv. Exposed libertarians as complete pseuds that care more about smoking weed than anything of consequence

>>507093002
>Why do you [economic stagnation] it's a bad thing?
There are many people who could stand to be more materially wealthy than they are now. I sure could. A general environment of economic growth is the best way of making people in general materially wealthy, as opposed to policies of economic control and redistribution.

>>507092745
It's illegal to be a pedophile because it violates the NAP of the child. How is that any different than pedophiles today becoming foster parents and raping kids?
I can make the same argument you did
>IE it's legal for CPS to take your kid away and give him to a pedophile family to get him out of the orphanage system they put him in

>>507093358
>They will be able to build homes anywhere without need of permission and endless regulation
this is pretty untrue. I'm sure the common law or whatever arbitrating thing you all have will have rules and regulations about a lot that you're ignoring. Water usage will cause you all to kill each other. Easements will have to be determined. You're ignoring a lot and someone will have administer and enforce it or you're going to be killing each other very quickly.

>>507086780
>You don't want to be in a race to the bottom with infinity migrants? What are you, a commie?
And lolberts wonder why they're irrelevant

>>507093727
Correct, you can't just take someone's house away and bomb them, that's a violation of the NAP.
No actual libert would ever stand with Israel, maybe a covert Republicuck

>>507093815
I want nothing to do with Aleppo. Why do you think the average US taxpayer should pay for any kind of action taken in or around Aleppo? Caring about foreign policy is a red flag, if anything.

>>507094026
The yellow lolberts who want 0 taxes for corporats and open borders are Jews
Purple lolberts are the ones fighting for your freedom: propriety, guns, barbed wire, claymores, right to self defence, public carry etc.

>>507086044 (OP)
>encounter my first libertarian in college
>ideology sounds good for the first 5 mins
>then I try some critical thinking
>what about food safety
>"Huh"
>like how would we regulate food safety
>"Oh well the companies just wouldn't put bad things in the food because if they did people would find out and they would lose business so they wouldn't"
>but how would people find out if there are no labels
>"They just would"
Libertarians are almost as idealistic as liberals and it's really fucking retarded

>>507090248
Im an anarchist and the first people i would behead are the lolberts and the gays wich is the same thing really.

>>507093934
In the past there used to be A LOT LESS regulation (and I am not talking about a distant past, I am talking about a few decades) and I assure you, people did not kill each other 24/7 over housing. You people have to imagine absurd dystopias that never happened and I don't understand why.

While I have the ancap memeflag I made pretty clear earlier I am not arguing for anarchism, most libertarians would be fine with just less regulation and taxes, which worked in the past, but for some reason (the reason is politicians like their power) it could absolutely not work now!

>>507094505
And that's a yellow corporat cocksucker

>>507086670
> Without the consent of the people the government will collapse.
How many levels of retarded civic propaganda are you on?

>>507094505
Before the FDA, the meat industry had to pay for private certification so that people would trust their products. First lesson: private means of policing quality exist when they are not crowded out by government. Now the US taxpayer pays for quality inspection. Second lesson: economic regulation leads to you being directly taken advantage of by a special interest.

>>507094514
You're anarchist (edgy 14 years old) and the first people you'd kill are those closest to you in ideology? What the fuck lmao.

>>507086044 (OP)
It's the single most cuckolded ideology of them all. You're screeching at people that they don't want to hand literally all material ownership to BlackRock and working 16 hours a day to own nothing (rent) and be happy.

Also, $15 minimum wage was for 2012... that's fucking nothing now and is already the normal McDonalds wage anywhere outside the most desolate Detroit/Gary IN shitholes.

>>507087657
>The answer that Libertarians have for degeneracy, white genocide, atomisation, drug epidemics etc.
They don't have an "answer" for it, that is precisely what they want and are working for.

>>507094505
Private watchdogs doing paid audits to boost customer confidence.

>>507094714
It's funny if you go to a Pakistani/Afghan market people buy completely iregulated and uninspected meat on a daily basis and they don't die, nobody puts arsenic or other shit in their food and society just werks.
Of course corpos have more power to do that but nobody forces you to buy from them.

>>507093358
But youre turning society in to acquistiveness,thats the point.its only going to get worse, youre advocating by for system youre not a product

>>507086044 (OP)
hawley abondon his copyright crusade, he has been hunting sound bytes ever since.

>>507094813
Yes im sure that will work out greatly and definitely wont be bribed

>>507086044 (OP)
"Fiscally conservative and socially liberal" is a philosophy that has never worked. A socially liberal society will never have the discipline to be fiscally conservative

>>507093601
Those houses were build because of poverty, they would've built better houses if they had money, if you added regulations there they'd all be living in tents like in the US.
Man you muttistanis are truly the dumbest.

>>507094928
>build home
>sell it to blackrock
>profit
>build another
>sell it to blackrock
>profit
Infinite money glitch? I guess we will all be millionaire construction workers!
Or maybe, just maybe, and consider this, at one point blackrock will stop buying homes because there are so many getting built that it's just unprofitable since they are worth pennies.

>>507095017
It literally worked in the past
>sees American flag
Oh wait, it's retarded!

>liberally economic
This chart isn't even real these niggas vote for every bailouts that crosses their table. I think bro just recorded their party.

>>507093757
Retard, you merely have to look back at history to see what would happen if you allow millions of people to build shacks wherever they wanted

>>507095254
As opposed to everyone being homeless and living in tent cities like in the US.
Ahahahahahaha so much better!

>>507095139
>It literally worked in the past
when?

>>507093898
Yeah, that’s not what he’s saying. (((Rothbard))) is saying that the ultimate goal is for people to be able to freely buy and sell children with all the implications that entails.

>>507095365
Before the FDA shit for brains.

>>507086044 (OP)
Libertarianism only works if everybody is self policing and has a gentlemans agreement not to fuck with eachother. It doesn't work with uncivilized individuals present because there isn't any institution posing a threat that would deter them from acting in an uncivilized manner.

>>507095395
ahh yes back when they used to put chalk in milk and arsenic in candy

>>507095254
Refer to this >>507095139
The issue was not regulation, the issue was that it was a time of millions of farmers leaving for the cities without a penny on them, so it created a situation of poverty.
As people got richer, the cities got nicer, BEFORE the asphixiating regulation we have nowdays was implemented

Go back to 60 years ago. Less regulation than now. Did first world people live in slums? No. They bought nice homes with a garden after 5 years of having a job.
Nowdays homes haven't improved thanks to regulation, but thanks to regulation you can now pay half your salary to never own a house, ever

>>507088406
Every libertarian is a slobbering child rapist begging for collapse so they can shoot parents and enslave kids

>>507095484
Kek imagine you in a unregulated food market anywhere on earth. You'd piss and shit yourself thinking everyone put arsenic in it just to fuck with you.
Keep buying from those Jewish supermarkets urbanite rat.

>>507095511
>Go back to 60 years ago. Less regulation than now.
Most building codes were imposed around this time. You want no building codes at all, which will lead to the scenario I depicted. I.e. you’re a dumb nigger

>>507095098
Its much morr thsn that if societ becomes acuisitve than our values will change, we already see the degeneracy.. but thats not of concern. anyway I know everything will work out because you said so and because your theory and reality are the same thing.

>>507095592
so you really want your food to be treated as if you were in living in a 3rd world shithole like india?

>>507095638
I like how you didn't address the literal tent cities that your regulations have created lmao.
I guess fuck the poor let them live in tents instead of shacks, man and I thought Lolberts were against the common person, look at that!

>>507086044 (OP)

The dream of the government not interfering in markets against the plebes is dying.

>>507095638
>You want no building codes at all
I will change my memeflag because you are not the first one to think I am arguing all the way towards anarchism
I am simply asking for less strangling regulations
>Most building codes were imposed around this time
And how did that work out? You can see the consequances yourself.

>>507095771
>I like how you didn't address the literal tent cities that your regulations have created lmao.
On the contrary, tent cities are a result of laws not being enforced in the cities ad they were originally implemented. Homeless junkies are not allowed to be involuntarily institutionalized anymore which has brought us to our current situation. The problem is the laws aren’t being enforced enough, not that they exist, faggot

>>507095734
No, I'm just saying that if it does indeed happen the regular person would be alright. Someone like you that needs a Walshart in the middle of the forest will probably not survive

>>507095973
>And how did that work out?
Good. Not having acute lead poisoning, asbestos induced lung cancer, and disease infested slums anymore is a blessing.

>>507095976
>we shouldn't force the homeless to live in tents instead of building shacks
>we should force them into asylums forever!
Lel, fascist retard. Funny coming from someone with your flag knowing that most Americans are 2-3 missed paychecks away from homelessness.

>>507086044 (OP)
What the actual fuck is economic conservative? These muritard labels are ridiculous.

>>507086044 (OP)
Libertarianism doesn't work. Open borders were a disaster. Decriminalizing drug use was a disaster. Respecting the rights of niggers was a disaster. Letting employers exploit their workers' need for steady income in order to minimize their compensation is a disaster. Allowing victimless crimes like shoplifting was a disaster. The truth is, freedom is bullshit, and even the Founding Fathers put strict limits on political expression and public behavior. Humans need strong government to suppress their bad nature. If governance is not provided through family or church, it has to be provided through police and courts.

>>507086044 (OP)
>democrats
>low on the social/identity dimension
Lololol

>>507096102
>we should force them into asylums forever!
Objectively yes
>Le fascist!
You’re on /pol/, this reddit insult doesn’t work. Speaking of Reddit, you need to go back.

>>507096190
>and even the Founding Fathers put strict limits on political expression and public behavior
1776 USA was the most Libertarian country to ever exist on Earth. The fuck are you talking about statist brainlet?
You could literally buy cocaine and heroin at the pharmacy. There will never be a world as Libertarian as the Founding Fathers envisioned it

>>507095980
in reality everyone would be eating poisonous 3rd world tier food before regulation existed

>>507096141
More money to Israel!
It's supposed to mean smaller money supply, limiting economic growth and preserving the wealth of the people who are already wealthy...who in turn should feel some sort of social obligation to lift up deserving poors out of poverty by giving them what they need to succeed. Carnegie libraries, for instance.

>>507086044 (OP)
Lolbertarianism isn’t viable in a multicultural society. Also we’re seeing something resembling a relatively unrestrained capitalist economy that places a lot of emphasis on hyperindividuality and it’s gay and dystopian

>>507095017
>definitely wont be bribed
Oh, you mean like how the FDA is partly funded by Big Pharma, when it's supposed to be regulating them?
If there is corruption in a private watchdogs, then their reputation is tarnished and they're done because nobody will fund them.
When there's corruption in a centralized government agency, there's nothing you can do about it other than to keep paying taxes to keep them running their corruption schemes.
Is this such a hard concept for bootlickers to understand?

>>507096299
Cocaine was first isolated in 1860. Stupid druggie.
>muh laudanum
The use of opiates to dull the pain of illness and injury has always been deemed acceptable. Continued use for no valid medical reason has always been unacceptable.

>>507095472
Most libertarians aren't ancaps, there's often support for police and military. Even ancaps usually have a concept of private police serving a community.

>>507096265
Fascism is a subhuman ideology and has never worked and never will lmao.
You're a retarded edgy 14 years old who discovered some Vril edits and will now be treated as such.
>whaaaa millions must be put in asylums for being poor cause I say so
Got more edgelord takes? Lmao.

>>507096446
>Continued use for no valid medical reason has always been unacceptable
And it wasn't illegal to buy it OTC until much later when America was becoming more statist and regulated by Jewish cucks and their lovers such as yourself.
Again 1776 USA was one of the most Libertarian country to ever exist on Earth
so keep the Founding Fathers out of your filthy kike mouth. Washinghton would've shot you for your retarded ideas.

>>507086044 (OP)
republicans now cater to populism
what kind of fucking retard will join a populist platform then say we need lower minimum wage
none of the proletariat would vote for you

>>507089458
Voting represents using your free will to consent to the system. It’s like clicking “accept” on a long winded terms and conditions disclaimer, basically giving (((TPTB))) your approval for them to continue assfucking you, regardless of who you voted for. It’s why nothing changes no matter who gets in.
>>507086670
If we ignore who was voted for and just look at voters vs non-voters, a majority of the eligible population still casts a vote, therefore giving consent for the system to continue. Non-voters need to become a comfortable majority.

>>507096090
But you didn't have those things in the 50s and 60s
What are you talking about
Those things disappeared naturally

>>507096746
Republiturds are min wage rednecks that vote to decrease their own min wage to own the libs kek

>>507086044 (OP)
Lolberts are just the right-wing version of the commies that go "I would be a valued member of the party and do gardening and write poetry".
They're retards with little to no understanding of the world and who think they'd be main characters if the world went to shit.

>>507096356
>Also we’re seeing something resembling a relatively unrestrained capitalist economy
No, we are not lmao
Every single year there are more regulations, more taxes, and the government has more power
What fantasy world do you live in?

>>507097029
Pretty much this.

>>507086044 (OP)
it was co-opted by pedo enjoyers, open borders Dems and dude weed faggots
there are no real libertarians anymore

>>507096974
Nigger, why are you lying?

>>507086044 (OP)
I'm a pragmatist and at a time considered myself a pragmatic libertarian.

The problem with libertarians is you can't defend liberty by permitting the enemies of liberty to do whatever they want. You aren't going to have liberty if you import 10million illiterate violent Mexicans every year. You aren't going to have liberty if you permit every nation to tariff your products with zero reciprocation. You aren't going to have liberty if all the young men in your society are dropping out because all the young women are infertile whores.

Liberty is like a good wife: beautiful, loving, desirable, and maybe a bit mischievous. But like a good wife, Liberty needs to be protected, supported, and given structure. Otherwise the good wife turns into the old whore, and the sweetness of freedom transforms into the madness of anarchy.

Or, as I would explain it to negros: Liberty is like your top hoe. But every pimp needs his bottom bitch, the hoe that keeps the other bitches in line. Your bottom bitch is Uncle Sam. If you didn't have Uncle Sam, Liberty is going to go buck wild and ruin the entire operation.

>>507086044 (OP)
Lolbertanians rotted their brains with weed and other drugs

>>507096476
>Fascism is a subhuman ideology and has never worked and never will lmao.
Reddit is down the hall and to the left. Cock sucking AIDs ridden homosexuals aren’t welcome here.

>>507086460
I think people invent a strawman of liberatarianism that is just anarchism. It's anti-state, not anti-society or community. Do you think Oranians need to have a state in order to have rules on how to regulate their society? The problem in the west is that libertarianism just leaves a void since there is no church, community, ethnos or even family anymore.

>>507097303
What makes you think young men would drop from society when they get the chance to join local armed militias with their own local community brothers and friends? And also legal weed + lower AoC If anything young men would have a way better morale than in today's gay feminist shithole world.

>>507097213
Did your family live in a slum in the 60s?
Because that's what you were implying.
Answer this and we can talk about asbestos, disingenous retard

>>507086044 (OP)
it requires people who return the shopping cart.

>>507097384
Your views on personal freedoms, apart from drugs, are literally redit tier. All of them. Even your views on taxation are basically plebbit lite. Take your own advice, your shitty version of statism has never worked lmao cry about it.

>>507097384
>N-not my hecking H-HITLERINO !

>>507097384
>muh socialism
>muh Labor over Capital
Kek, why would you even post this? The retard is talking like Karl Marx ahahahahaha pseudo commie faggots

>>507086121
Fat finger error.

>>507086670
Of course they fear the people. That's why they are going (have gone) full mass surveillance like China. They need to predict uprisings before they begin so they can use their favored divide and conquer tactics.

>>507097575
Are you retarded? Where once did I mention talking about myself? You know exactly what I mean and tiptoeing around pretending otherwise is what makes libertarians insufferable niggers.

>>507097689
>Fascism is reddit! Hitler is Reddit!
Who are you trying to fool with this nonsense? Do you think you’re clever by spouting Jewish nonsense?

>>507097987
If less regulated building leads to everything being a slum, it follows that in the 50s most of the USA was a slum
Defend your position or fuck off, intellectually cowardly cuck
>makes libertarians insufferable
Yes, because we can easily point out how much of a retard you are, it's no wonder you find us unsufferable.

There's no way to pander to them now because mainstream society worships sexual degeneracy and almost entirely stopped caring about drugs. Rich guys who supported libertarianism for economic reasons probably just realize the futility of it all and figure out how to dodge taxes like every other rich person.

>>507098184
>If less regulated building leads to everything being a slum, it follows that in the 50s most of the USA was a slum
No retard, NO regulations leads to slums which is what you originally said before doing Jewish pilpul by pivoting your arguement, knowing it was unsustainable.

>>507097562
>You know what we need? Girls becoming whores at even younger ages!
>And we need even MORE drugs!
>Let's also bring the minimum wage down to zero and ensure that all entry level work is even MORE unbearably soul crushing!
>But hey at least you can hang out with a bunch of other dispossessed young guys with guns! JUST LIKE A NIGGER
Unironically kill yourself

>>507086044 (OP)
They broke the nap

>>507086044 (OP)
that which can not work was discarded for that what is useful and brings results

>>507098323
the age of consent doesn't prevent women from becoming whores
minimum wages do not increase the pay of a non-nigger, and they increase unemployment among niggers thereby causing the dispossessed groups you're worried about

>>507086044 (OP)
puritanical libertarianism is the more fundamentally idealistic set of political beliefs in modernity and, as such, only appeals to infantile brains. most mature beyond it, eventually

>>507098323
>you should get arrested for having sex with a 17 yo (SHE WAS ONLY 17 YOU SICK FUCK)
>you should be arrested for doing drugs in the confines of your private propriety because Karens feel threatened
>you should let Big Daddy government dictate every aspect of your miserable life because you're too big of a bitch for self governance
Unironically kill yourself

>>507098290
I have literally stated MULTIPLE TIMES that I am not arguing for anarchism and simply for a reduction in regulation
MULTIPLE TIMES

Dishonest cowardly freak

>>507098532
most*

>>507087406
>>507087588
lmao I didn't even need to check the flag to know you're european. your actual problem is not libertarianism but politicians fucking you over in your own country and making it seem like someone else is at fault e.g. free markets. free markets in eastern europe are used as an justification for selling out whole country to western europe. simple excuse for colonization. this is not what is meant in USA by libertarianism.. in there it means that you don't have VAT on products and government should fuck off from your money meaning taxes should be as low as possible. also you should read about how economics looked like in south korea last 30 years, start with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol this is what happens when government takes care of their people. samsung corporation is 17% of their economy and every single person in the world knows that name.

>>507086044 (OP)
it's always been that way for basically forever. Bill Clinton, neoliberals and libertarians try to pretend people want big biz and leftist social values but people really want to fuck over bankers and ban faggots and niggers

It's simply not compatible with urban industrial societies as its largely assumes that society works more or less like it does in a agrarian society of private farms owned by individual households.

Also this guy supports minority defending cops doing the law enforcing instead of white militias.
Who is afraid of white militias in America? Niggers!
The American statist poster is quite literally a nigger. Cops are more impartial to his shit skin than armed white males.

>>507086044 (OP)
The top left doesn't get funding anon. It doesnt exist in our "electoral catalog". And yes, its the movement the west is begging for. Its the path we need. The one neither neo-populists nor the new left provides.
Thats the way.

>>507094352
He should know enough about basic facts to explain why it’s a bad idea tho

>>507099760
He did answer the question afterwards, he was just momentarily caught off-guard.

>>507098573
>>Really fucking easily. They will be able to build homes anywhere without need of permission and endless regulation

You’re a lying troon and likely a Pajeet as well. Nobody should take anything you say seriously.

>>507100442
I already clarified here >>507095973
A FULL FUCKING HOUR AGO.
You have also already been refuted multiple times with the slum argument and yet you refuse to acknowledge it.

> and likely a Pajeet as well
The one who would build and live in a slum without the government stopping him is you, retard

>>507098561
"But if Big Daddy Corporation dictates all this exact same shit it's fine." - Some pedophile gypsy on 4chan (You)

What the fuck is this?

>>507086044 (OP)
Libertarians did. Watch that compilation where Gary Johnson gets boo'd repeatedly at the libertarian convention for things as minor as "I think showing some form of competency to get a license is good, actually" and the people in the "debate" give the most insane fucking answers to drowning applause.

I'm a pretty relaxed guy and think people tend to know whats best for themselves even if they're self destructive.
Then I meet someone who smells of weed and gets upset that I don't think you should be able to get a child addicted to drugs and pimp them out.