Thread 507092238

Despite what we thought in the beginning the plane used the entire runway length.

What now? This makes the crash wayyy more mysterious than we thought.

https://x.com/flightradar24/status/1933138841214611760

>>507092238 (OP)
>Indians working either as pilots or air controllers
Riding a plane these days must be like playing roulette ruse

Likely explanations:
>pilots didn't redeem flaps
>turd strike
What else?

>>507092238 (OP)
Like I posted before, this is clearly a power/thrust issue, not a configuration issue. The plane got into the air. That means the configuration was fine.

>>507092457
You think it lost power almost as soon as it was in the air?

>>507092238 (OP)
engine failure followed by pilot error in the procedure

>>507092457
Did it have RR or GE engines?

>>507092457
The trailing edge flaps would be prominently visible in the video at 5 or 10, but they aren't.
As previously noted, 1 can be used at takeoff but only with a very light aircraft in dense air on a long runway.
The flap actuators on the plastic princess are electric, so will remain out even if the engines both stop.

>>507092510
There are Parsis having vulture burials in Gujarat, could be vulture strike?

>>507092409
This airline hasn't had a single accident since the 80s... And the 'accident' in the 80s wasn't even an accident, it was an attack by Sikh extremists.

>>507092457
>The plane got into the air.
This - it started well.
They didn't drive that fucker into the nearest hospital tho. They LANDED onnit.

>>507092413
>pilots didn't redeem flaps
would be odd that this would cause a 787-8 dreamliner to just crash. its not that simple. they already take off with low flaps settings.
>>507092457
if its a power/thrust issue shouldn't they have noticed this before takeoff decision speed?
>>507092510
>>507092591
you can hear that the engines are running in the video of the crash
>>507092606
2 x GEnx-1B on the plane (N10230)

>>507092413
Indian maintenance

Do not redeem
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5zZwznyTPQ

Just saw the headline. Massive crash yah? Do we know the reason yet?

>>507092238 (OP)
>degree mills and galloping incompetence
Sooooo mysterious

>>507092741
>its not that simple. they already take off with low flaps settings.
Numerous aircraft have crashed from taking off with a clean wing. If the real stall speed is 30kts higher than the pilots expect, the outcome is predictable. There is a takeoff config warning, but incorrect FMC parameters or incompetence could have banjaxed that

>>507092413
Pajeets inadequately trained to handle expectable Boeing technical incidents

>>507092695
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Express_Flight_812
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Express_Flight_1344

>Pooja Harshit did not clog the toilet! Because I clogged the toilet!
>Captain Ramsheet, on the three nights before the accident, October 11th-
>October 11th, October 12th and 13th and 14th I was defacating. I was at the designated shitting street all of those days. I shat. In excess.
>On the morning of the accident-
>I was shitting...
>I'm shitting now... I'm shitting right now... because I'm a pajeet.

look at how useless these indian men are. Sitting there like lazy pieces of shit while the women do all the work

>>507092978
India needs feminism.

>>507092626
flaps are hydraulic slats are electric on boeing family planes

>>507092636
Suspicious amount of random indian knowledge.

I better POO IN THE LOO just in case

>>507093025
an indian man caught his wife with another man in a park and he is seething in this video

>>507092978
Someone needs to tell them what to do. She isn't going to tell herself, is she?

>>507093025
hell yea my nigger!!!!

>>507093098
But he is dutifully taking care of his wife's son. Have to acknowledge that.

>>507092409
the pilots weren't indian. neither were the technicians. rich jeets know better than anyone what the average jeet is capable of.

>>507092801
Indians. Case closed.

>>507093025
Feminism NEEDS to be exported to third world countries
But ended in the west

>>507092238 (OP)
Shitskin flying an aircraft, it crashes, big fucking mystery

>>507092238 (OP)
Indians hire on nepotism, which is why they're perpetually incompetent and corrupt. You can become a pilot just from your caste and social status in India.

HOW CAN SHE CRASH?

>>507093151
>rich jeets
Don't fly Air India.

PAKISTAN 7 INDIA 0

The flight computer suddenly forced a Windows update and it crashed the plane. Please do not redeem mid-flight.

>>507092238 (OP)
>it didn't fly so good

>>507093038
The 787 is unique in that sense, it doesn't have the same kind of central hydraulic system as most other airliners.
Best of my knowledge, the trailing edge flaps are electromechanical. There might be fluid involved, but the pressure doesn't come from an engine-driven hydraulic pump like on most others.

>>507092860
Kek

BOEING AUTOMATED NOSEDIVE TIME KEK

>>507093284
You can't, the standards are set by the ICAO but I bet you they cheat.

>>507092413
Is that a dirt taxiway to the start of the runway? I wonder if it's littered with tire-destroying garbage.
Also, if it's unusual to taxi all the way to the start, maybe the pilot knew he was overloaded and took a risk for a bribe.

>>507093374
MCAS isn't fitted to 787s.

>>507093456
That's exactly what they want you to think

>>507093374
This doesn't apply to the 787.
It doesn't need augmented maneuvering characteristics, it's FBW. You could fly it with an Xbox controller in theory

>>507092840
yeah it was like 37°C so flaps 15-20 should have been used. FMC bs likely. probably didn't even have v speeds on their instruments.

>>507093425
Of course they cheat. It's possibly the most corrupt country on earth.

>>507092840
>Numerous aircraft have crashed from taking off with a clean wing. If the real stall speed is 30kts higher than the pilots expect, the outcome is predictable.
But we didn't see the AOA get high until the very end of the video. Clearly, the configuration was enough to get off the ground. Thrust reduction to the climb setting doesn't happen until at least 1000' AGL which the plane never reached.

>>507092238 (OP)
It's not mysterious at all, it's a plane piloted by Indians. What's mysterious is how this doesn't happen more often, magic of computers eh?
Imagine Indians flying a 1940's plane

>>507093456
You’re right. This one was an automated stall. Probably a different Boeing system.

>>507092409
It's the first air india crash since 1985

Even in Spain there have been more crashes from 2000-2025

29 August 2001: Binter Mediterráneo, CASA 235-200, Málaga, Spain. Fatalities: 4.
14 January 2002: Ibertrans Aérea, Embraer 120RT, Zaldivar, Spain. Fatalities: 3.
20 August 2008: Spanair Flight 5022, MD-82, Madrid, Spain. Fatalities: 154.

Nigel Faraji confirmed as air traffic controller

NEVER fly in planes built by pajeets
nor coded by pajeets
IF IT'S BOEING, I'M NOT GOING

>>507092238 (OP)
Indian engineering

>>507093537
The suggestion isn't that the flap setting was the sole cause of the crash, but it certainly didn't help.
They should have had more flap on, irrefutably.

IT WAS TERRORISM
THE PILOT WAS A PAKISTANI MUSLIMS
WAR WAR WAR
SCREENCAP THIS

https://x.com/akku92/status/1933114664923148455

this guy was on the plane 2 hrs before it crashed. he recorded videos of the condition. nothing was working.

>>507093566
This is the last Air India crash
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Express_Flight_1344
It occurred in 2020

>>507093660
>>507093537
what if they set CL instead of TO/GA for take off?

>>507092636
Drone strike or attempt at one maybe?

>>507093537
Do the engine sound like spooling down?

>>507093507
You could operate a submarine with a Xbox controller and visit the titanic.....
Its fucking boing with american tech=Instant crash and death

>>507093425
standards are just bullshit written on paper indian authorities would still be the issuing authority

truly a mystery

>>507093764
Then the airline really need to assess their hiring criteria

>>507093361
>flaps are electromechanical
>>507093704
>AC wasn’t working

Hmm doesn’t the Dreamliner have a series of previous faults with electrical components?

>>507093374
I would not be surprised if boing did use some kind of code for Cruisemissiles just to save money and put in to there airplanes.

>>507093660
>They should have had more flap on, irrefutably.
This. If the plane is losing altitude at slow speed/altitude and the captain never extends flaps it's pilot errors unless the flaps have broken. For the flaps to work during preflight checks on the runway to being broken 2 minutes later is very unlikely.

>>507092413
The answer is obvious.
Over capacity.

>>507093704
if you watch some flight reviews for air india that just seems like pretty standard stuff for their fleet

>>507093848
Pakistanis (Indians with muslim names) really enjoying this one

>>507092238 (OP)
Flightradar got paid some nice money to say that this flight used whole runway and help cover tracks that lead to evidence of incompetence

>>507093733
it says: air india express
>low-cost airline

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Express

owned by air india, but it's for lower classes, so occasional lethal crashes are acceptable in that airline

>>507093931
i mean the thing is if they used half of the runway they would have never been able to get into the air in the first place so its very likely true + there will be video from the airport i assume

>>507093764
>what if they set CL instead of TO/GA for take off?
I thought if you did this an audible alarm plays in the cockpit for a "take off config warning".

>>507093936
I bet they charge the family's twice as much now for reincarnation expenses.

>>507093566
The pilot was a spaniard. /thread
>>507093819
Now that's grim, will they ever pick them up?

>>507093848
Based Pakis

>>507093984
I think we can discount that as a possibility.
At MTOW a 787 couldn't hope to safely get off in 6000ft, even with throttles pinned

>>507093660
>They should have had more flap on, irrefutably.
They were climbing. That means they had lift and thrust when they rotated. They didn't need any more flap. Everyone is getting distracted by the configuration when it doesn't matter.

>>507092726
>Megha Niggar

>>507093704
Indians are subhuman kek

>>507092238 (OP)
THE PILOTS WERE PAKISTANI INTERLOPERS THERE TO KILL BHARATIS AND DAMAGE BHARAT'S INTERNATIONAL PRESTIGE BLOODY BENCHODS

Gear is still down so maybe they pulled up flaps instead of gear as a mistake?

>>507094318
It’s power loss issues, why?

>From a 78 FO with 6000+ hrs those engines have easily enough thrust to keep at least a shallow climb even if the flaps were incorrectly set after departure.
>This certainly looks like a lack of thrust more than anything. The 78 also will not allow the takeoff roll to begin without the flaps being set, but flaps 1 and 5 could be difficult to see on a grainy video as they don’t stick out as far as many other airliners.
>Very sad whatever happened but a lot of questions need answers by the professionals.

from a pilot

>>507094015
>Now that's grim, will they ever pick them up?

thats like five days worth of corpses, same as any first world country it just looks worse because we only pick them up once a week

>>507094318
what about ground effect?

>>507093764
>what if they set CL instead of TO/GA for take off?
It would clearly have been enough thrust because they made it to 600' AGL dirty (gear down).
>>507093783
>Do the engine sound like spooling down?
It's doesn't sound like TO thrust (or TO-1 or TO-2).

Pilot murder suicide?

>>507093203
Cracked skull is fucking metal

>>507092726
Several of the passengers are very rich and powerful and were against the Federal Reserve.....

>>507093834
it's a mystery

>>507093342
The last two are saying the same amount of HAs

>>507093819
Lmao

>>507094318
You're not wrong, but the flaps should have been out and they weren't
It's a contributing factor.
My money is on either dual engine failure or incorrect flex temp entry on FMC followed by failure to apply manual thrust, compounded by lack of lift due to insufficient flap.

>>507094409
>same as any first world country
Fucking kek which first world country railway has a 5 death per week kill rate jeet retard

>>507092409

Indian maintenance crew. Probably used the curry stirrer to check the oil levels in the engine.

>>507094376
>Gear is still down so maybe they pulled up flaps instead of gear as a mistake?
Impossible even for retards. The gear is hydraulic, but the hydraulic pump is electric. No engines and no APU means no hydraulic pressure to raise the gear. Curiously, the 787 has an automated system that opens the main gear doors on weight-off-wheels to speed up the retraction sequence even before the gear handle is touched. The doors are hydraulic, and they aren't open in the video.

Apparently it crashed into a hospital

>>507094318
>That means they had lift and thrust when they rotated.
Dude they used the whole runway. It's obvious something was wrong with the configuration of the plane during takeoff.

>>507092801

Toilet blockage.

>>507093699
this but unironically, not necessarily pakis though since it was heading to london
check the flight manifest

>>507094634
>Dude they used the whole runway.
That's by design. You use the whole runway at a reduced thrust setting to save engine wear. It was a 788 loaded up to go to LHR from India during the day. A 10k foot takeoff roll is normal.

>>507094608
Ah men das bad

>>507092238 (OP)
A few hundred dead is good for London renters. Should free up a bedroom or two. Every cloud.... Has a Boeing falling out of it.

>>507094598
Interesting

>>507094608
God I hope it was a CHILDRENS HOSPITAL

I'm betting on more crashes

>First 787 crash. I used to fly it. It’s incredibly hard to crash the thing. This will be interesting.
>on some of the videos you can hear a distinct buzz of a RAT deployed. If that’s the case both engines failed or were shutdown.
>you can actually even see the RAT spinning on the video if you pause and zoom at the end.

another pilot claims this

>>507092413
Sabotage by maintenance.

>>507094854
>First 787 crash. I used to fly it. It’s incredibly hard to crash the thing. This will be interesting.
I disagree. Almost all recent Boeing planes are manufactured like total trash. It's a company that is literally killing whistleblowers because of how fucked up the planes are.

>>507093900
>>507092741
It looked tail heavy in the video. The most likely jeets to be incompetent are the ramp workers. Maybe unsecured cargo below decks or improper weight and balance.

>>507092695
If that were the case I'd wonder how many "non-accidents" get covered or not reported.

>>507094854
If it's a double engine failure those jeets must have accumulated some extremely bad karma.

>>507094608
This was totally a terror attack endeavoured by the pakis.
>>507094409
>we only pick them up once a week
fucking yikes

also here people claim you can see that the flaps are down.

Anyone familiar enough with the 787 FMC to say whether the takeoff perf page provides an automatic flap setting based on the rwy/takeoff parameters input, or expects the flightcrew to specify the intended flap setting like the 737?

>>507094975
It looked tail heavy because its AoA was like 10-15deg
If it were tail heavy to a degree that couldve caused the crash it would have hit the ground arse first
Myriad systems in place to prevent that, too. The plane can estimate its own COG by the relative positions of the oleo struts

>>507092413
turd strike, us is not training crows to hunt birds on runways.

>>507095033
The Boeing 787’s FMC (Flight Management Computer) operates differently than older models like the 737 when it comes to the Takeoff Performance (Takeoff Ref) page, and it does not automatically select a flap setting for you. Here's how it works:

787 FMC: Takeoff Flap Setting Logic
The FMC expects the flight crew to manually input the takeoff flap setting.

Common takeoff flap settings for the 787 are Flaps 5, 10, or 15, depending on weight, runway length, and environmental conditions.

The FMC does not "suggest" or "default" to a flap setting based on runway length or weight — unlike Airbus systems that sometimes auto-calculate performance presets.

It’s up to the pilots to input the selected flap setting, which then allows the FMC to calculate V-speeds (V1, Vr, V2) and verify performance data.

>>507095005
Yeah that looks like flaps 5 actually
>>507094318
I take back my previous spergs

>>507094854
>>507094993
Would an electrical power failure cause a double engine loss?

Like if it happened right during takeoff I’m assuming you wouldn’t have time to switch to the Apu before it kicks in?

>>507093507
>You could fly it with an Xbox controller in theory
Where did I hear it before... hmm...

>>507095128
what about dirty fuel?

so can anyone confirm this? people say that oyu can hear the RAT in the video of the crash. this points to double engine failure right after take off but how? it must have happened in seconds. did they suck in 10 suicidal jeets at the end of the runway or

>>507095186
>—
Thank you jeetGPT

>>507094847
It was a student doctor residence. Like a dorm so possibly thousands in there. Just in one room.

>>507095232
In theory, yes
It would be the first time it had happened in a critical phase of flight in a modern aircraft, though.

>>507095304
https://files.catbox.moe/2k82ep.mp4

video

>>507095232
Other way around. An engine loss causes a power failure.
You can see the RAT deployed. You don't need the APU, the RAT will power the cockpit enough.

>>507092238 (OP)
If it's Boeing, I ain't going.

>>507095304
I hear a buzzing noise and see some pixels.
Have yet to see hard evidence for or against RAT deployment

>>507095232
>Would an electrical power failure cause a double engine loss?
Multiple, redundant busses would have to all fail simultaneously. Both engines have two, giant motor starter generators. That quadruply redundant. One of the motor-generators can power the entire airplane.
>Like if it happened right during takeoff I’m assuming you wouldn’t have time to switch to the Apu before it kicks in?
Pulling a Sully and starting the APU out of sequence can be a death sentence on a fly-by-wire aircraft. If you lose your batteries trying to start the APU, you are dead.

YOU BLOODY FUCKING!!! YOU BLOODY FUCKING BITCH!!!

>>507095380
The Dreamliner has a history of electrical issues and I saw jeets on X saying the planes AC and shit weren’t working.

Dual engine failure caused by electrical system fault right during takeoff. Q.E.D.

>>507095304
oh my god it's a mirage
I'll tellin' y'all it's SABOTAGE.

>>507095426
>>507095385
either way it sure does not sound like TOGA thrust or anything. something happened to the engines.

>>507092726
>crashes into Ah My Bad
kek

>>507094854
>Boeing Jeetification meets Jeet operators
it was just a matter of time

>>507094608
That isn't what that says. It hit appartments where resident doctors stay.

>>507095385
How did they know to film in this direction at this time?

>>507092238 (OP)
Pakis sabotaged the plane
Incompetent jeets didn't notice the sabotage until it was too late

First 787 crash, plane delivered in 2013. It's a big deal for amerimutts even if it's just pilots fault.
>JAN 2025 — Boeing CEO: Don't expect a major restructuring, but maybe a 'pruning' - MarketWatch.
boeing goes boink

>>507093819
It's like a trail of naan crumbs

>>507095232
Yes it would. Hence why RAT is deployed when all the switches trip. The pixels just below the fuselage does look like a RAT. Bird have taken out both engines but I don't remember a recent case on a plane this big.

Modern boeing engineering meets third world negligence

>>507095299
Could be. We might expect some other aircraft fuelled around the same time to have diverted by now, though.
It's as good a theory as 'engines assploded', mind you.
Not to say a bird strike is impossible, but it would have had to have been a large number of large birds to kill a pair of engines that large

>>507095517
people that live near the airport like to film planes bruh

>>507094521
that's a titanic accusation
you should scuttle those thoughts

>>507092238 (OP)
Thank fucking Christ.
Looks like Boeing is doing more to help flush the poo and curb UK immigration than the British gubberment.

>>507095232
How would the APU save you from a double engine failure on takeoff?

Also if its a bird strike would the engines not smoke?

Also no Rat deployed in that vid https://www.youtube.com/shorts/r998A8PY3cA?feature=share
Stop at 00:001 seconds

ITT we mourn the 53 britons on the flight.

>>507095304
Engines look fine. It doesn't seem like bird strike or other FO ingestion is likely.

>>507095426
You can hear it.
It's the blurry set of pixels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzejbxNj1hY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwzAeGp9iZk

>>507095487
Agreed.
The question becomes - were they failed or just at too low of a thrust setting?
In either case, big questions remain

>>507092457
no flaps during take off. It is clearly visible in pictures and footage

>>507095641
they were all indian

>>507093631
Why would it crash then? Farage is an Indian lover.

>>507095426
https://youtu.be/ZhBuY9e-dHg
Same exact sound. I also thought it was a scooter or something pass down on the road but it's definitely RAT.

Paki pilot from London was flying it.
WW3 is imminent, this time it won't be a single war against one bad guy. It will simply be the world at war with itself.

When Russia v Ukraine has already started. Israel v Palestine is already going. India v Pakistan is about to go nuclear.
This is when China takes Taiwan and suddenly it's China v US. US won't have time and be spread to thin to manage the other stuff.

This all results in everyone getting nuked and civilization starting again from South Africa or Tasmania or something.

>>507095687
I believe that’s the joke

Wtf is RAT

>>507092457
Possible poo in the fuel line??

>>507095314
fuck! I thought I deleted all of those

>>507095718
this, check South China Morning Post
>its real

>>507095630
That’s my point. Let’s say some critical component short circuited or whatever and the power went. Wouldn’t be enough time to switch to Apu.

i got some insider info that a dr. pavel was on the flight logs.

>>507095563

There is something below the aircraft, looks like a RAT, having just checked one on an ANA 787. If it was birdstrike I'd expect at least some shit coming out of either engine but both look to be running clean, no smoke. This is also telling because if 1 or both were at 100% you'd see at least some exhaust.

>>507095670
yeah 100% RAT deployed then.
>>507095674
>or just at too low of a thrust setting?
no the engines have failed but we won't know why until they read out the data. flaps were set. everything seems fine.
there is ofc always the possibility that FO Poo Patel flipped both engines off to kill himself. They love to do this.

>>507095759
GOOGLE. keep up nigel

>>507095759
Ram Air Turbine. It trades energy from the air flow for (in this case) electrical power for the essential AC and DC busses.

>>507092238 (OP)
Check the numbers and dates my nigger, today is some Hindu festival of sacrifice

>>507095759
Littler propeller driven generator that automatically pops out on dual engine failure to keep the main electric bus alive.

>>507095759
jew, you can find them in tunnels

>>507095759
Ram Air Toilet, a special feature installed on planes sold to Indian carriers.

>>507092238 (OP)
who cares?
as long as it was all indians on board this should be celebrated

>>507093704
Well the mystery is solved.

>>507095670
>You can hear it.
Thanks for those examples. It sounds to me like the RAT and the airflow around the plane are the only noises we hear. I can't hear any engine noise at all.

>>507095879
>who cares?
because those planes are being used all over the world and if its an issue with Boeing we need to know but its probably not in this case.

>>507095759
Ram Air Turbine.
When there's a power failure it drops down to generate electricity to power the cockpit.

Here's a famous example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVvt7hP5a-0

>>507095879
>169 were Indian nationals, 53 were Britons, seven were Portuguese, and one was Canadian

>>507095861
>even if you poo in loo the poo still ends up on the designated shitting street
Isn't Indian technology amazing? Superpower 2020!

>>507095005
I cant see shit for the flap setting on this, but i see black with light shining through on the leading edge so slats are fully extended.

>>507095232
>>507095630
>>507095781
>Apu
hehehe

>>507095968
>implying the britons and canadian are not masked jeets too

there might be a few portoguese at most

>>507094854
I'm probably just retarded but could it be double compressor stall from low airspeed through engines due to worsening aerodynamic stall condition? They push the engine to go around power hoping to get some speed, engine already doesn't have enough air to keep turbine spinning, engines surge and roll back. My autism isn't strong in the turbofan department but it makes sense in my mind. Not enough airflow through an engine = engine dies. They took off short and heavy going slow enough that probably just a gust of tail wind was enough to disrupt the airflow into the engines. Increasing throttle in a situation where you don't have the air to maintain combustion only makes things worse but I'm assuming airliners are designed to limit the amount of fuel it shoves into the combustion chamber when there's not enough air regardless of what throttle levers are set to.

>>507093704
>no IFE
>no AC
>nothing essential for flight.
Today, that poo learned about the minimum equipment list.

>>507095968
So all shitskins then?
Thanks to Boeing for flushing the loo

>seven were Portuguese
RIP

>>507095968
there's a 80% chance the canadian and britons are jeets. a self respecting white man is taking british air.

>>507092238 (OP)
Why would FlightRadar need to post this?

>>507095861
kek

>>507096039
>I'm probably just retarded but could it be double compressor stall from low airspeed through engines due to worsening aerodynamic stall condition? They push the engine to go around power hoping to get some speed, engine already doesn't have enough air to keep turbine spinning, engines surge and roll back
Not in any turbofan with full authority digital engine control.

>>507092413
Wrong trust settings (wrong calculations, incorrect temperature/wind, fuel/cargo weight etc.). Defect pivot tube or protective caps not removed.

>>507096101
because from the data they have on their website it looked like the plane only used half of the runway but thats incorrect

>>507095128
>>507095186
>>507095449
>>507095816
i like coming to airplane crash threads to read up on posts about airplane systems
it's very interesting thanks

>>507095487
>>507095674
See
>>507093704
If you know anything about modern airplanes you will know that AC not working = problem with engines and air circulation system. And when engines get too hot airplane computer will automatically cut off thrust to keep it under operating temperature, even on TOGA mode.

>>507095968
>>169 were Indian nationals, 53 were Britons, seven were Portuguese, and one was Canadian
so all are jeets except for the Portuguese

>>507092413
How about
>Boing
>DEI

>>507096184
>If you know anything about modern airplanes you will know that AC not working = problem with engines and air circulation system.
>he doesn't know that the 78 type has no bleed air system.

>>507095641
'British National' is a meaningless term in clown world.

>>507096101
FlightRadar shows the history of past flights but exact coordinates especially while a plane is taxiing are inaccurate. People were theorizing that the plane took off using half a runway because the flight’s history doesn’t show it at the end of the runway.

https://x.com/Breaking911/status/1933156087097864634

They're dead now. Because of you, /pol/...

>>507095033
I believe it shares commonality with the 777 in which case it calculates take off thrust setting based on the chosen flaps profile. It will indicate insufficient perf if a chosen profile is not possible.

>>507096184
Yep. AC not working is the sign of death. Something in the electrical system was already ded and then more stuff started dying.

Wouldn’t be the first time the pilots said “doesn’t matter gotta go anyway” with multiple systems having gone down because they are “not deemed critical” and the mongoloids can’t put two and two together that systems depend on each other.

>>507092840
Theres no thinking involved thoughbeit the speed tape would’ve shown them the stall speed for the present configuration of the aircrafg

>>507096274
oh no no no britbongs. guess that sex tourism spiritual street food journey wasn't worth it.

I've known for a long time this world as we know it is destined to end in bloody war, no matter how many smart people you put in a room, mistakes get made, retards call the shots and high iq midwits destroy everything.

There will always be some fatal flaw they missed or major part that breaks the entire thing. This whole thing is going to unravel soon in our lifetimes, you will not see an islamic takeover of the UK happen peacefully, you will not see a chinese take over of oceania happen peacefully, all of this is building up to a known boil over point. It cannot be avoided.

War is coming for all of us. Migration has happened to fast, changes too abruptly. The elites have overplayed this hand of theirs and the internet and their senility is to blame.

They had a moment in the late 90's to stop all of this, to stop the forced multicult shit they were doing, to let white nations prosper, to not outsource labour to china and train it's billions of workers, they had every chance not to end up at this point but it happened anyway.


Our civilisations will be destroyed by extreme peace.

>>507096039
Not a turbofan engineer, but I think flameout due to disrupted airflow is only likely to arise on wing-mounted twins in extreme upsets, like a flat spin or during very high crosswind situations. This was more of an issue in conjunction with deep stall on T-tails with tail-mounted engines
>They took off short and heavy going slow
The ADS data has proven to be erroneous - the plane used the full runway length

>>507096009
Auxiliary Power Unite
>green froge

>>507095792
Yeah, the lack of smoke does point away from a birdstrike. You'd need a few BIG birds to stop these engines dead.

Am I the only one who remembers the thread about female air pilots from India the other day? I had a big kek today because of this

>>507096398
>Yeah, the lack of smoke does point away from a birdstrike. You'd need a few BIG birds to stop these engines dead.
are you telling me they ran out of gas?

>>507096274
I hate 'spiritual awakening' tourists. Moral cowards the lot of them.

Let's discuss sabotage possibilities

>>507096184
I mean, it doesn't look great as to AI's maintenance acumen, but the 787's packs are electrical and self-contained in the sense that they are airgapped in network terms and electrically isolated from the flight controls.
There is no bleed air involved in the 787 packs, indeed the engines don't even have bleed ducts.

is there anything to the plane flying strait and level into a building? no deviation in course whatsoever to try and miss the building? maybe an autopilot/autothrottle fuck up?

>>507096466
Or the fuel itself was contaminated.
Fuel contamination has caused a couple of crashes before.

>>507096466
Impossible as it would be fully loaded. And there was a huge fireball.

>>507092238 (OP)
russian signal interference

>>507093790
>Its fucking boing with american tech=Instant crash and death
This. You'd be fucking insane to get on a plane in 2025. I drove past the airport the other day and there's a huge pile of burning planes at the end of the runway because they just keep talking off every five minutes and crashing into the ground and it happens so often that the FAA just said it's not worth it to keep cleaning it up.
It's amazing that there are 10,000s of flights every day and they all crash

>Contamination of fuel (e.g., water, dirt, or improper jet fuel grade) or a failure in the fuel delivery system (e.g., clogged lines, pump failure) could starve both General Electric GEnx-1B67 engines of fuel, leading to simultaneous shutdowns. The 787-8’s recent flight from Paris and short turnaround in Ahmedabad could introduce risks if refueling procedures were compromised.

thoughts on fuel contamination theory? maybe they used the poo line instead of the fuel line?

I love how planecrashes bring /pol/ fags together, almost like old times

also emergency call was made from the plane before crash said the radio news

Personally I suspect fuel contamination.

>>507092238 (OP)
>jeets overloaded the plane
>jeets fueled the plane improperly
>jeets failed to configure the plane for takeoff
>jeets failed to maintain the plane between flights
>jeets calculated atmospheric conditions improperly
>jeets configured the avionics improperly

It's jeets all the way down, m8.

>>507096535
Why are they removing smouldering bodies?

>>507096584
>>507096652
>>507096670
HIVE MIND

>>507095517

Ikr

>>507096118
Interesting. So they technically can't have made it worse by pushing throttle to go around power. I assumed there was some sort of automatic engine control but didn't know what it was. So basically if there's not enough air and they push levers to go around power nothing happens?

>>507096378
>or during very high crosswind situations
I'm calling it: they hit a pocket of indian bad air, aka methane rich air, the resulting mixture was so low in oxygen it refused to ignite, causing flameout.

>ADS data has proven to be erroneous - the plane used the full runway length
Do we have a video of the takeoff?

I have no clue about how planes work, but I have had the "pleasure" of taking an Air India flight from SF to DL six years ago.

The crew was nice but the other passengers were horrible. Like, how the fuck did these people make it past immigration horrible. Like straight out of a village, I found some shit out of the toilet.

Everything on board was in horrible condition, with the remote and screen not working. I don't know if ground crew was as competent

Nothing in India works, so I don't know why one would take Air India or why Boeing would outsource to India. I think that Indians can be competent but they have to either be plug and play into an international company or basically be culturally wiped, like a blank slate. Indians are just not serious people

Anyways, I've only flown other airlines since then because they are ironically the same price as Air India

>>507093151
>the pilots weren't indian
Sumeet Sabharwal and Clive Kundar aren't Indian names to you?

Boing had problems before with the software that keeps the fuel in balance when turning. That was programmed by pajeets as well, maybe it still has issues

>>507095806
>the possibility that FO Poo Patel flipped both engines off to kill himself. They love to do this.
This does fit the evidence worringly well to be honest

>>507096506
The wiring is all packed together mate. If the AC is short circuited something in the pack of wires is probably melting like lava. Don’t be surprised when it eventually melts through all the other wires that are controlling everything else.

Any decent pilot knows not to takeoff with a instrument, sensor or system not working, as the root cause might not be isolated but spread like aids throughout the aircraft mid-flight.

>>507096535
ACK!

>>507096535
fuck i get Dennis Bergkamp now

>>507096789
>This does fit the evidence worringly well to be honest
yes maybe lil bro had enough from his bloody captain

>>507096646
xDDDD

Good we a second source confirming it.

Do not fly boing or fly at all. If you where supposed to fly god would have you grow wings out of your ass.

>>507096783
787s have been flying for 15 years. While it's possible for a design defect to go unnoticed for this long, it's unlikely.
I'm thinking of the 737 rudder issues back in the day. But that went unnoticed because flight characteristics required to trigger it were rare.
This is just a normal take-off.

>>507096628
What was the signal?
>Reedem?

>>507096535
they're going to find the blackboxes and strip them down for spare parts before the investigators get there.

Breaking news: the air exchanger wasnt operational which led to the entire plabe succumbing to pajeet stench

DEI did this.

>>507094549
Also gear down, possibly due to startle effect or an additional mechanical issue.

>>507092238 (OP)
Pajeets didn't set the FMC for the correct TOGA setting.
Or they didn't do correct weight calculations for v2 speed, didn't climb enough, stalled and crashed.
Either way, the world is a little less stinker.

>>507096804
I don't think even AI is ballsy enough to dispatch an aircraft to European airspace with a failure outside the MEL.
They'd be banned from doing so if they were caught.
Doesn't mean it didn't happen, mind you

>>507092238 (OP)
>This makes the crash wayyy more mysterious than we thought
>shitjeet pilot makes braindead error and crashes plane in the same way they've crashed literally every industry that has drank the only one race koolaid
Where's the fucking mystery?

>>507092413
The runway is greased with poo

>>507096535
Barefoot in fatigues...

>>507096758
>So they technically can't have made it worse by pushing throttle to go around power.
No. The FADECs are at least doubly redundant for both engines, and there are graceful degradation modes. FADECs are great because when you command TO/GA, you get everything you can get without risking engine damage by exceeding EGT or shaft speed limits. If they firewalled the thrust levers, the FADECs will command thrust to the EGT redline but not exceed it.

>>507092238 (OP)
If he just redeemed he would still be flying the plane
Why didn't he redeem?

>>507096999
>Also gear down, possibly due to startle effect or an additional mechanical issue.
its not that bad to have the gear down when you know you crash since it can take some of the impact but yeah .. to me it just shows that they didn't have a second of time for positive rate gear up to even think about it.

>>507096222
>except for the Portuguese
They're not immune you know. 100% jeets.

>>507096907
dont forget that Boing had quiet some quality issues for the most time, since they ruled over the FAA.

and AI is a wonderful thing
>> The Boeing 737 MAX software, specifically the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS), was a key factor in two fatal crashes due to its flawed design and operation. MCAS was intended to help pilots counteract a tendency for the 737 MAX to lift its nose during maneuvers, but it was triggered by a single angle of attack sensor, which could be inaccurate, leading to unintended nose-down maneuvers.

>>507093025
How is it like in Pakistan my dude?

>your plane explodes
>somehow walk away unscathed
>your fellow jeets still swarm you

>>507097186
Quality issues are possible. But that'd be a manufacturing issue, not a design issue.

MCAS doesn't apply to a 787 and is easily disabled by disabling autothrottle.
Also, it would never cause a dual engine shutdown or failure.

>>507096999
>Also gear down, possibly due to startle effect or an additional mechanical issue.
The RAT doesn't have enough output to power the hydraulic electric pumps for the gear. It has to power the essential busses and the flight controls. You can gravity drop the gear if it's up; if it's down, it stays down.

>>507092413
>pilots didn't redeem flaps
debunked

>turd strike
no smoke in the video, unlikely

Maybe:
> downdraft or micro-burst made the plane stall
> complete lose of power or hydraulics similar to the south Korean plane
> boing

Level out, reduce airspeed, deploy landing gear, activate flaps and apply brakes…what went wrong?

>>507097131
a lot of cultural phenomena in this short clip

>>507096489
I mean for something to happen this shortly after TOGA activation it would have to be someone who really knew what he/they was/were doing. Possibly very deliberate/meticulous fuel contamination or some manipulated valves/clamps in redundant systems, which shortly before Vr caused a catastrophic loss of power after reaching V1.

>>507097232
https://x.com/ndtv/status/1933159269991317801

>>507097232
lol you don't walk out the emergency exit of a plane that falls out of the sky with enough fuel for an 11 hour flight. Are you that gullible?

>>507097007
100% poolot error.

I have a good airport jeet vid for you

Were they one of the highly skilled immigrant workers we so much need?

>>507097232
they’re gonna turn this guy into a new god of theirs and draw him as an elephant with 8 dicks

>>507097232
https://x.com/IndiaTodayNE/status/1933159420206227865

?? How did he survive in 11A specifically?

>>507096341
>thoughbeit
Stop it.

Could it have been a lockup? Say controls got jammed from the cockpit?

>Crash plane into a hospital
Has Doordash gone to far??

>>507092238 (OP) You have any clue how many airplane crashes would happen in Bharat if wasn't for God and the people praying and chanting mantras?

>>507097338
Like kicking an ant hill and watching them all scramble

>>507097260
weather was fine no microbursts or convective activity

>>507097481 There are more airplane crashes in america.

>>507097355
He was in the loo and it saved him.

>>507097404
I strongly doubt he was on that aircraft. Indians are scammers and grifters, likely he's fishing for money and attention.

>>507096580
That aircraft was hitting the ground regardless. Wings level at as low an airspeed as possible is really the only thing to shoot for in that scenario
>>507097452
The 787 is fly-by-wire. Its flight controls are not physically connected to the control surfaces.
One set of controls can fail, the others will keep working.
This crash was due to insufficient engine thrust, either because the engines failed or the pilots fucked up.

>>507097444
no

>>507092238 (OP)
Pajeet pilot

>>507097568
apparently there is a ticket

>>507092413
>>507092801
It's a Boeing.
Whistleblowers who warned us about it, died for this.

>>>507097628
Sole survivor says “There was a huge bang just seconds after takeoff. I ran through smoke and fire.” He is one of the only confirmed survivors so far.

>>507097404
>>507097458
Assuming it’s true.
Structural weak point of the plane he likely was catapulted out and somehow landed at a viable place or had parts of the plane around him which did absorb the energy. Often these people who survive are catapulted out quite a few of them are also located in the last seat rows.

>>507092457
i think it was more likely the drag caused by all the jeets riding on the roof and wings.

>>507097744
>t quite a few of them are also located in the last seat rows.
yeah so the tail of the plane was still intact as seen in the pictures. if he was in the back sure maybe but he was in the front according to the boarding pass. no idea. he might just be a scamming jeet. seems odd.

Are there survivors?

>>507092457
It looked like it took off fine. Only thing i can see is they entered a stall with too steep a pitch and just fell down.

>>507095694
Same reason anti-Semites voting for a right-wing leader into office who can't shut up about how much s/he loves Israel.

>>507097628
I'll be absolutely amazed if this is real, and completely unsurprised if he dies from getting hit by a train.

>>507097860
yeah one guy claims he was on the plane. not sure thought. might just be a scammer.

Small explosive in the avionics bay

Have any surrounding building collapsed for no discernable reason?

>>507097376
but no sound
>down vote!

>>507093900
i read earlier that there were more people on board then expected so i think you're right.

Imagine Landing or Start from that airport now when you still the the crashsite smoking

A.) Enough fuel added to make it to destination
B.) Controlled air surfaces set for takeoff
C.) Engines spooled up and enough thrust to get airborne
D.) ???
E.) Engines stop
F.) Controlled decent into terrain

D has to be birds, or maybe sucked a bunch of jeets in at end of runway. Only way to take out two engines at the same time that worked just fine getting it into air, unless they cut the fuel off themselves or extinguished it due to a fire alarm.

>>507098012
>D has to be birds,
but theres no smoke and the plane went down in seconds. When Jeju Air got hit by the birds there was a lot of smoke.

>>507097356
Quick thinking jeet missed up his hair, rolled on the ground and steps in to the limelight to redeem his compo claim and claim seat 11s UK visa.
Who wants to bet?

>>507098012
The fans are clearly windmilling and you'd expect smoke if there were birds.
FOD is unlikely.

I'm going with fuel contamination.

>>507098113
according to reports he is a british national

>>507098012
but there was nothing that indicates that, no smoke from the engines that supposedly just got hit by a bird few seconds ago

>>507098160
>I'm going with fuel contamination.
Then how did they get airborne?

>>507094969
>I disagree. Almost all recent Boeing planes
retard its not recent. Its from 15 years ago and this is the first crash with this model.

>>507092238 (OP)
Newly released video.. I think I know how what caused this.

>>507098012
>D.) ???
Pilot suicide. It's the only explanation. Both pilots can reach the cutoff switches easily. The plane was too low and too slow for a windmill start so it wouldn't be survivable.

>>507098113
He was on it, he just speedran reincarnation so he could redeem the visa.

>>507098012
D is catastrophic Electrical failure.

>>507098218
WTF is this real?

They say there are TWO Survivors now

>>507098218
>jeet mulcher 3000xwb

>>507098291
It is India..

>>507098291
it must feels so bad for retards like you that you can't @grok here

>>507098210
>Then how did they get airborne?
Here is an example of fuel contamination in flight.
https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2019/may/22/new-def-fuel-contamination-incidents-reported
>According to the FAA, the two Cessna Citation 550 twinjets received fuel at Punta Gorda Airport that had been contaminated with diesel exhaust fluid, or DEF, which was added erroneously to the fuel supply carried by a fuel truck. DEF is a urea-based chemical that is used to reduce diesel-engine emissions under a federal environmental mandate.
>DEF is not intended for use in aircraft, and when added to jet fuel, can trigger reactions including the formation of crystals that can plug fuel filters and damage other engine components. AOPA strongly urges aircraft operators to become knowledgeable about the DEF fuel-contamination risk, and to promptly report any suspected contamination to their FAA flight standards inspector or local FAA office.

could also be Hydraulic Failure, loose pipes, had something to be that didnt show a failure in the cockpit. If it was technical.

I wonder if the mentality changed at boing after their downfall.

>>507098210
Good question.
Presumably there would've been fuel "further along" from an earlier flight that was clean.
Which would explain why it took off then failed.

With Cathay Pacific Flight 780, the damage was gradual.

https://x.com/vikasmakwana111/status/1933162059556159903?s=46

Take off footage

>>507098294
Now the idea is out there will be thousands of survivors in an hour.

>>507098012
>nly way to take out two engines at the same time that worked just fine getting it into air
or they pulled back too hard and stalled with 2 engines on. The engines cant help at that low of altitude. Not enough space to correct the stall.

NEW BREAD:

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>>507098267
>D is catastrophic Electrical failure.
I dont think so, both engines produce their own power.

>>507097832
As I said there are other structural weak points where it can happen. The issue with low speed stalls is that they are relatively survivable (especially kinetically speaking) assuming there aren’t to many massive objects in the path and not too much fuel on board, which sadly often is the case when it happens, because it usually does happen after take off or during landing.

>>507098712
>and not too much fuel on board
the plane had 10hrs of flue and violently exploded

>>507098427
How did it damage the engine so soon and at the same time?

>>507098533
Interesting kind of reminds me of the military plane crash in afghanistan years ago

>>507098533
damn

>>507098533
Such a beautiful bird not lifting enough :/

>>507096692
do you want them to get raped?

>>507096535
Why arent there any women in Indian streets?

>>507098599
>or they pulled back too hard
seems like a normal take off to me, then loss of power. if it was overloaded or too high pitch the wings would tip back the forth, then roll to once side.

>>507098760
I heard it was a 787 on route to London, so I did assume it. Which makes it likely that he was catapulted out.

>>507096173
Same here. I always learn something new. It's like watching an episode of Air Disasters (or Mayday! for frens across the pond)

>>507095670
>How did Poo get in the turbines?

>>507098008
Burning flesh and upholstery is probably an improvement.

>>507094013
kek

>>507093925
>Pakistanis (Indians with muslim names) really enjoying this one

33 posts by OP

Faggot bakes one divisive thread per minute

Faggot posts 5000 divisive posts per hour, daily

>>507093374
literally the plot of Airframe (1996)
except Crichton thought Boeing is above reproach and all fault lies with shitty carriers and brown pilots
guess jeet coders weren't really a thing during his time

Migrate:

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>>507098533
Hummmmm... no birds. Looks like right engine rolled back then left, adjusted pitch down for lift, and plop.

>>507096807
ACK!

>>507095930
I'll wait for blancolirio.

>>507096347
>sex tourism
>india
LMAO